IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 18 April 2016 (all times are UTC)
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| 05:39 | <alkisg> Hyperbyte: heya
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| 05:39 | Do you have anywhere to host ltsp.org? It's really problematic now...
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| 05:40 | I was thinking of providing a forum there, but with the current server issues, noone would ever have the patience to visit and ask questions there...
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| 05:42 | vagrantc: hi to you as well :)
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| 05:43 | I was thinking that ltsp users do need a lot of quirks, like e.g. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/policykit-1-gnome/+bug/1512002
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| 05:44 | The problem there is an authentication dialog that pops up, and the workaround is to change a policykit file
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| 05:45 | ...can we provide a collection of scripts that would help users maintain such workarounds in their servers?
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| 05:46 | <vagrantc> alkisg: i don't see any reason why not
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| 05:46 | <alkisg> E.g. `ltsp-config gnome-flashback` or `ltsp-config workarounds`, things like that
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| 05:46 | The problem is that they would be a moving target, that bug may be solved in policykit later on
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| 05:46 | So our workaround should handle that gracefully
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| 05:47 | <vagrantc> alkisg: what kind of system requirements would ltsp.org need?
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| 05:47 | <alkisg> php + mysql, I guess
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| 05:47 | <vagrantc> alkisg: i might be able to host
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| 05:48 | <alkisg> Cool, I'll bring it up to ltsp-developers then so that jammcq is notified
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| 05:49 | <vagrantc> as long as it can run on debian ... ideally the framework be supported via debian security updates ...
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| 05:49 | <alkisg> Sure
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| 05:49 | <vagrantc> is it just a php one-off custom thing, or some standard framework?
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| 05:50 | <alkisg> Hyperbyte: ^
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| 05:50 | ?
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| 05:51 | I think the site is based on Hyperbyte's templates, the wiki is mediawiki, and we could also add an smf forum for questions, to complement the mailing lists...
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| 05:52 | apache, php and mysql would be supported by debian's updates, while the rest, manually or with their own means
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| 05:52 | <vagrantc> and now with letsencrypt, i could actually add https support :)
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| 05:52 | <alkisg> E.g. smf ships security updates as installable modules
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| 05:54 | <vagrantc> seems like mediawiki isn't supported in future versions of debian
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| 05:54 | <alkisg> Some of those php frameworks are best handled by their own teams, they don't integrate well with the debian packaging system
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| 05:54 | <vagrantc> yeah, i know.
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| 05:57 | honestly, what about a static site generator instead of php with a sql backend?
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| 05:57 | <alkisg> You can't have a forum that way
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| 05:57 | <vagrantc> ikiwiki can do that
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| 05:58 | <alkisg> https://ikiwiki.info/forum/ vs http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php
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| 05:58 | ...nah :)
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| 05:59 | <vagrantc> one looks useable, the other doesn't.
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| 05:59 | <alkisg> Really, when you're looking for a user interface that actually aims to help users, don't ask a debian guy :D
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| 06:00 | <vagrantc> well, there's a reason nobody maintained the launchpad bugs all those years
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| 06:00 | <alkisg> I've been a computer engineer for 25 years now and I still don't like the *.debian.org/* UIs!
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| 06:00 | LTSP is mainly maintained on launchpad
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| 06:00 | <vagrantc> only because alkisg maintains it
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| 06:01 | <alkisg> The other projects that don't use launchpad are of course not maintained there
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| 06:01 | So if one decides to file kernel bugs on launchpad, well...
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| 06:01 | It's the same in the debian bug tracker as well
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| 06:01 | upstream bugs belong upstream, and distro-specific ones to the distro trackers, but that's not related to the UIs
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| 06:02 | <vagrantc> well, most web UIs are unusable.
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| 06:02 | <alkisg> The only difference there is that a new user can actually use the launchpad UI and file bugs (even if noone processes them), while he can't do it on the debian bug tracker,
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| 06:02 | so launchpad has more unprocessed bugs than debian due to its better ui
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| 06:02 | <vagrantc> how about the launchpad wiki pages for LTSP?
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| 06:03 | <alkisg> I was looking for a way to reuse mailing list answers
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| 06:03 | <vagrantc> or the ltsp.org wiki pages?
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| 06:03 | but you're right, never ask my opinions on web UIs
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| 06:03 | :)
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| 06:03 | <alkisg> Our wiki is fine afaik, it doesn't need a new software, it does need new people writing documentation but that's another story
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| 06:04 | <vagrantc> my favorite ones use VCS for a backend
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| 06:04 | that's my idea of a UI
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| 06:05 | <alkisg> There's a reason why forums are more popular for new users rather than mailing lists. We already have a mailing list, no issue there, and I was thinking of adding a forum
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| 06:05 | <vagrantc> alkisg: what i don't get is why there aren't mailing list softwares that integrate with forums
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| 06:05 | <alkisg> One can reply to launchpad either via web or via mail
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| 06:05 | <vagrantc> we're constantly repeating things on the mailing list that are answered in the wiki and so on
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| 06:05 | <alkisg> And they always get the answers in their mail boxes
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| 06:05 | So, about that. I'm using wiki + forum for supporting greek teachers
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| 06:06 | And exactly because it works like a charm, is why I want to do the same for all ltsp users
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| 06:06 | If something is asked once, I reply to the forum
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| 06:06 | <vagrantc> yeah, launchpad's minimal email support makes some things workable that would otherwise be rather difficult
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| 06:06 | <alkisg> Twice, I give them the link to the previous answer
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| 06:06 | 3 times, I write a wiki page and point them there
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| 06:06 | After 4-5 times, other people answer the same link instead of me
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| 06:07 | <vagrantc> yay!
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| 06:07 | sounds good, i guess.
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| 06:07 | if the backend could just interface to a VCS, i don't care what the web interface looks like ...
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| 06:08 | <alkisg> I've been running that forum for 15 years now, it has 11 million hits etc. I never needed a VCS backend...
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| 06:09 | If people want to make sure that what they reply to will remain intact, they quote it
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| 06:09 | And administrators move the deleted posts elsewhere so they're around even after deletion
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| 06:11 | * vagrantc had a lot of hope for ikiwiki being able to do both web and VCS interface, but it never quite manifested | |
| 06:11 | <vagrantc> too hard to manage
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| 06:11 | <alkisg> Other than that, people are allowed to make mistakes and delete them without having them in a global history. A permanent history can sometimes be intimidating...
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| 06:11 | Forums also have to manage permissions, and it would be rather hard to have a VCS with history + permissions...
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| 06:12 | like, `bzr log` where one would only see the history he's permitted to see
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| 06:16 | * vagrantc won't get into it | |
| 06:16 | * vagrantc said too much | |
| 06:17 | <alkisg> vagrantc: ah, one last thing...
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| 06:17 | forum vs stackexchange?
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| 06:17 | Which one would you participate more in?
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| 06:17 | <vagrantc> doubtful i'd participate in either
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| 06:17 | <alkisg> Hmm I wonder if it'd be best for me to just start participating in ubuntu forums then :D
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| 06:18 | OK I'll start with the server mail and see how it goes
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| 06:18 | <vagrantc> the main issue for me is i have so many thngs to work on, things that don't fit my workflow just don't happen
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| 06:19 | <alkisg> In the past I had decided not to participate in the ltsp mailing lists because I don't like mailing lists
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| 06:19 | <vagrantc> i hear you :)
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| 06:19 | <alkisg> But they do needed some input at some times
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| 06:19 | So if I'm going to participate, I was thinking to do it in a forum...
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| 06:19 | OK, we'll see
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| 09:45 | <shanther> anyone actually here?
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| 09:46 | you all suck dick
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| 10:47 | <highvoltage> that attitude won't get you much help here
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| 13:54 | <Darkend> hi people.
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| 13:54 | join
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| 13:55 | I have a little problem with my ltsp server.
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| 13:56 | I configure everything but when i started trhe clients my users can not see the usb memory.
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| 13:57 | <Darkend> I add the users to the fuse, plugdev group and nothing hapen.
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| 13:57 | i edit the /opt/etc/lts.conf file and make a ltsp-update sshkeys and ltsp-update -image.
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| 13:57 | I need help please.
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| 13:58 | what can i do to solve this problem???
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| 15:17 | <alkisg> Hi Darkend, what are you client specs? CPU/RAM?
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| 15:46 | <Darkend> cpu i3 4GB RAM DDR3
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| 15:58 | <alkisg> !ltsp-pnp | echo Darkend:
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| 15:58 | <ltsp`> Darkend: ltsp-pnp: ltsp-pnp is an alternative (upstream) method to maintain LTSP installations for thin and fat clients that doesn't involve chroots: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ltsp-pnp
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| 15:59 | <alkisg> Darkend: your clients are good enough to be used as ltsp diskless fat clients
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| 15:59 | That means that you won't have to use ltspfs etc anymore, it'll work like normal installations
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| 16:03 | <Darkend> how can i do the image for this method???
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| 16:04 | <alkisg> Follow the wiki page
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| 16:05 | <Darkend> sorry i see them..thank´s
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| 16:05 | give me the url please...
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| 16:06 | well i will try and latter a talk you.
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| 16:14 | <alkisg> Darkend: the URL is 7 lines above
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| 16:14 | I told the ltsp bot to paste it for you
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| 16:14 | See again here:
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| 16:15 | !ltsp-pnp
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| 16:15 | <ltsp`> ltsp-pnp: ltsp-pnp is an alternative (upstream) method to maintain LTSP installations for thin and fat clients that doesn't involve chroots: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ltsp-pnp
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| 16:17 | <Darkend> ok
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