IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 18 February 2017 (all times are UTC)
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| 06:34 | <alkisg> syrius: afaik the opensuse ltsp maintainer starter preferring ubuntu's ltsp-pnp since last summer or so ;)
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| 06:34 | 100 mbit is completely fine for at least 5 fat clients
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| 06:35 | *started
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| 06:36 | <syrius> thanks
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| 06:36 | not thin?
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| 06:36 | <alkisg> What are your client specs, pentium 3?
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| 06:36 | If they have enough power to run the OS locally, it's surely better to use them as ltsp fat clients
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| 06:37 | both thin and fat are diskless
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| 06:37 | <syrius> hmm okay
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| 06:37 | <alkisg> We refer to clients with local installations as "standalone", while "fat" is for diskless, netbooted clients
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| 06:37 | <syrius> rhwy are celeron i think
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| 06:37 | but i tested on my laptop
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| 06:37 | <alkisg> Celeron from 2000 or celeron from 2010?
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| 06:38 | How much RAM?
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| 06:38 | <syrius> abd it wasnt much better
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| 06:38 | laptop is good specs
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| 06:38 | <alkisg> You tested ltsp-pnp in fat mode on a laptop?
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| 06:38 | And it wasn't good enough?
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| 06:38 | <syrius> rpi2 as well. decent. but x11 forwarding single windows is better
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| 06:38 | no
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| 06:38 | didnt test fat
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| 06:39 | <alkisg> How much RAM do the clients have?
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| 06:39 | We've tested all methods all those years
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| 06:39 | Fat is the way to go, if you have more than 512 mb ram
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| 06:39 | <syrius> 1gb i think. maybe 512 since they wwre purposed for thin
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| 06:39 | ok we can upgrade too
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| 06:40 | ill need to try fat
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| 06:40 | <alkisg> !ltsp-pnp
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| 06:40 | <ltsp> ltsp-pnp: ltsp-pnp is an alternative (upstream) method to maintain LTSP installations for thin and fat clients that doesn't involve chroots: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ltsp-pnp
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| 06:40 | <alkisg> Try that, it needs less than 1 hour to set it up, including the os installation
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| 06:42 | <syrius> great thanks alkisg.
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| 06:56 | alkisg: do you know if this is possible on an opensuse server though? csn't really change the os right now
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| 06:56 | or is there something that would make it specific to ubuntu?
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| 07:03 | <alkisg> syrius: I think opensuse had support for ltsp-pnp, although they additionally use some different tools like kiwi, so I don't know how easy it is to set that up
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| 07:04 | It might need 1 hour or it might need 1 day; dunno
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| 07:09 | <syrius> no worries. appreciate the help
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| 07:13 | <Sangameshwar> once the ltsp server is configured, how could i connect from client to a windows server?
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| 07:13 | <alkisg> Sangameshwar: do you also need a linux session on the client, or just windows?
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| 07:15 | <Sangameshwar> from the client, how can we connect to a windows server? is there any procedure access windows server session from ltsp client.
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| 07:16 | <alkisg> Sangameshwar: do you want to login to gnome, and whenever you want to connect to windows, to use a menu,
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| 07:16 | or do you want to connect to windows directly, without gnome?
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| 07:18 | To connect to windows you usually run `xfreerdp`
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| 07:20 | <Sangameshwar> ok, is there any procedure to get windows server?
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| 07:20 | to do so, what changes are to be done in LTSP server
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| 07:21 | <alkisg> Sangameshwar: yes, there is, but you need to speak english to communicate... :/
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| 07:21 | You didn't answer the question, if you want to run xfreerdp with or without a linux session
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| 07:21 | Do you have someone near you that speaks english, to help you communicate here?
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| 07:22 | <Sangameshwar> i am sorry,
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| 07:22 | no
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| 07:22 | <alkisg> What is your native language?
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| 07:22 | <Sangameshwar> telugu
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| 07:22 | <alkisg> Do you know what lts.conf is?
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| 07:23 | <Sangameshwar> yes, i tried to configure the LTSP server in 2010 in Fedora destro.
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| 07:24 | <alkisg> Which distro are you using now?
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| 07:25 | <Sangameshwar> that time, i used a pentium-III machine with a PCI network card of RTL family.
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| 07:25 | I was hang up with client booting.
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| 07:25 | After a long time, I revisited this site.
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| 07:26 | <alkisg> Do you have a server installation now? If yes, what distribution are you using?
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| 07:26 | <Sangameshwar> I want to use Ubuntu.
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| 07:26 | <alkisg> OK
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| 07:26 | !ubuntu-mate
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| 07:26 | <ltsp> ubuntu-mate: Ubuntu-mate works very well with LTSP, even with older clients. Download the 64-bit version if *all* your clients have >= 2GB RAM, otherwise download the 32-bit version. http://ubuntu-mate.org/download/
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| 07:27 | <alkisg> Go there and download the 32bit version, install it, then come back here again
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| 07:27 | Here is a tutorial:
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| 07:27 | !ltsp-pnp
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| 07:27 | <ltsp> ltsp-pnp: ltsp-pnp is an alternative (upstream) method to maintain LTSP installations for thin and fat clients that doesn't involve chroots: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ltsp-pnp
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| 07:27 | <Sangameshwar> ok, thank you
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| 07:27 | <alkisg> Follow that tutorial
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| 07:27 | When the clients boot from ltsp, come here again to learn about xfreerdp to connect to windows
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| 07:28 | <Sangameshwar> definitely
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| 07:28 | <alkisg> Download this CD: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-mate/releases/xenial/release/ubuntu-mate-16.04.2-desktop-i386.iso
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| 13:26 | <al-geo> !ltsp-chroot
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| 13:26 | <ltsp> ltsp-chroot: you can download ltsp-chroot from http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/ltsp-trunk/view/head:/server/scripts/debian/ltsp-chroot
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| 13:29 | <alkisg> Eeer no don't do that :D
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| 13:29 | !forget ltsp-chroot
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| 13:29 | <ltsp> The operation succeeded.
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| 13:30 | <al-geo> alkisg did install ltsp-pnp with your tutorial and everything works fine (so far :D ) but i didnt find hot to chroot and change something on /opt/ltsp/images/i386.img
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| 13:30 | <alkisg> You change it to your server, and then run ltsp-update-image -c / again
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| 13:32 | <al-geo> but i want to change the way clients boot, autostart my script and many more. how to do that? P.S. sorry for my poor english
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| 13:36 | <alkisg> al-geo: give specific examples
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| 13:36 | To autostart a script, you put it to e.g. /usr/local/bin on the server, and then you call it in RCFILE_01=/usr/local/bin/myscript in lts.conf
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| 13:36 | That's for boot scripts, while for login scripts there's /etc/xdg/autostart
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| 13:37 | <al-geo> alkisg i want to remove all wms and dms, install only xfwm4 and xinit, autostart my app with xfwm4 --replace option
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| 13:40 | <alkisg> Right, do all those on the server
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| 13:40 | Then just run ltsp-update-image -c /
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| 13:40 | al-geo: ^
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| 13:41 | Whatever you would do in the chroot, just do it in /
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| 13:41 | <al-geo> what if i will have to reboot my server ? :D
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| 13:42 | <alkisg> Reboot it, where's the problem in that?
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| 13:42 | You think that a chroot would survive server reboots?!
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| 13:42 | If you want to have a different system on the server vs the clients, then you need a chroot
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| 13:42 | But do you?
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| 13:43 | <al-geo> yes i do
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| 13:43 | how
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| 13:44 | <alkisg> OK, then unzip your existing chroot: sudo unsquashfs -d /opt/ltsp/i386 /opt/ltsp/images/i386.img
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| 13:44 | (or something like that)
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| 13:44 | And then never use ltsp-update-image -c / again
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| 13:44 | Only use ltsp-chroot and ltsp-update-image
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| 13:45 | <al-geo> wow. THANK YOU VERY VERY MUCH
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| 13:45 | :D
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| 13:45 | if i'l stack i will ask you again ok?
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| 13:46 | <alkisg> Eh, I don't really support non ltsp-pnp installations :D
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| 13:48 | <al-geo> you mean not to unsquashfs ?
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| 13:48 | :D
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| 13:48 | but i really want to
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| 13:48 | <alkisg> Sure, do it, I'm not saying that you shouldn't
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| 13:48 | But personally I only care about ltsp-pnp because that's what I use
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| 13:49 | Others can use whatever they need, np fro mme
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| 13:49 | <al-geo> :D you are a good man. :D
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