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Channel log from 12 January 2011 (all times are UTC)
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| 04:54 | <Venker> hi there
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| 04:59 | is there some ltsp-utils compatible package for ltsp-server 5.2.1-0ubuntu9?
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| 05:00 | older versions conflicts with ltsp-server package
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| 05:01 | I need some binary to automatize remote shutdown of thin clients
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| 05:01 | (binary or script)
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| 05:04 | thanks in advance :)
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| 05:05 | <Uzzi> hi
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| 05:05 | <Venker> hi Uzzi
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| 05:05 | <Uzzi> I've a client that doesn't load init process
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| 05:06 | <alkisg> Venker: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/AutomatedTCShutodwn
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| 05:07 | Uzzi: what's the last message that you see?
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| 05:08 | <Venker> thanks alkisg, I'll check
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| 05:08 | <Uzzi> filename : /ltspIi386/nbi.img
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| 05:09 | <alkisg> How does the client boot? With pxe, etherboot, gpxe, cd, floppy?
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| 05:09 | <Uzzi> and after a splashy error Connection refuse (but this problems thare is other pc (that boot fine)too)
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| 05:10 | pxe
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| 05:10 | <alkisg> Do you have other PCs that boot fine?
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| 05:10 | <Uzzi> yes of course
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| 05:10 | <alkisg> On that PC with the problem, do you get an "initramfs >" prompt?
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| 05:10 | <Uzzi> all laptop and one with gpxe
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| 05:12 | and an other client with etherboot doesn't find image
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| 05:28 | <Uzzi> alkisg, there is a particular ltsp config for etherboot?
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| 05:29 | <alkisg> (01:11:27 PM) alkisg: On that PC with the problem, do you get an "initramfs >" prompt?
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| 05:29 | <Uzzi> no only these error
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| 05:30 | <alkisg> Which error? PXE clients don't use nbi.img
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| 05:31 | <alkisg> Run: sudo gedit /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default, and remove "quiet splash" from there. Then reboot this client and write here the last 2-3 lines that you see.
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| 05:31 | <Uzzi> ok
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| 05:35 | the same: rootserver okrootpah ok filename : /ltspIi386/nbi.img and the splashy error
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| 05:35 | no quiet e splash in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default and /opt/ltsp/i386/boot/pxelinux.cfg/default
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| 05:36 | <alkisg> What do you mean "splashy error"? what's the exact error message?
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| 05:36 | Put your /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default in pastebin
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| 05:36 | !pastebin
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| 05:36 | <ltspbot> alkisg: "pastebin" :: the LTSP pastebin is at http://ltsp.pastebin.com. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebin, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. Don't forget to paste the URL of the text here.
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| 05:39 | <Uzzi> http://ltsp.pastebin.com/wx3b7Tc1 alkisg
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| 05:40 | <alkisg> Uzzi: what distro/version are you using?
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| 06:05 | <Uzzi> debian
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| 06:05 | lenny
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| 06:09 | <hahlo> I can't login to my new fatclient system, it boots up to login window
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| 06:09 | I have update ltsp-update-sshkeys
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| 06:10 | ubuntu 10.10
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| 06:21 | <hahlo> It started to work
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| 06:28 | pae kernel on client side seems to show all the ram
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| 07:05 | <mgariepy> good morning everyone
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| 07:05 | good afternoon elias_a
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| 07:06 | <elias_a> mgariepy: Thank you! Is your morning excellent? :)
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| 07:08 | <alkisg> hahlo: are you using ldm or gdm?
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| 07:09 | <mgariepy> elias_a, yes my morning is great thanks
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| 07:13 | <elias_a> mgariepy: Good!
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| 07:16 | <cliebow> hi Mark
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| 07:18 | <robehend1> alkisg: I tried out fat-clients a bit more last night. I was able to have a reliable one running on a P4 with 512 mb of ram quite nicely
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| 07:19 | <alkisg> robehend1: for low ram fat clients, other DEs help (lubuntu xubuntu etc)
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| 07:19 | <robehend1> as soon as I learn to lock them down as well as gnome, thats my next step
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| 07:20 | <alkisg> You can also delete a lot of unneeded services, like update-apt-xapian-index etc
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| 07:20 | * alkisg completely disables cron ;) | |
| 07:21 | <robehend1> any others you'd recommend? The machines are pretty much just used for open office and internet
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| 07:34 | <muppis> Got odd request.. JRE to thin..
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| 07:46 | <robehend1> your wanting to install jre as a localapp?
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| 08:04 | <Uzzi> a client with etherboot doesn't find image then doesn't boot
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| 08:34 | <nosedrum> hi there !
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| 08:34 | i have a little issue
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| 08:35 | after upgrade my ltsp server to lucid
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| 08:35 | my thin client boot pxe and after just a blank screen
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| 08:35 | the last message i can sse are:
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| 08:35 | timer not connected IO-APIC
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| 08:35 | out of sequence
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| 08:36 | <robehend1> hmm
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| 08:36 | try ltsp-update-kernels, perhaps the update broke them
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| 08:36 | <nosedrum> i try before come here
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| 08:36 | ltsp-update-kernels / image / sshkeys
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| 08:37 | <robehend1> hmm. no clue then, my knowledge is quite minimal ;)
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| 08:38 | i tend to avoid in place upgrades like that, out of ear of this very thing
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| 08:38 | <nosedrum> np you respond to me it's great ! :)
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| 08:39 | i don't understand why a upgrade of ltsp server can broke the chroot image ??
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| 08:40 | <robehend1> i think think its the image being broken, probably the way the image is passing to the client
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| 08:40 | try grep nbd /etc/inetd.conf
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| 08:41 | and make sure the port listed for your image is the same port thats in your /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/chroot/pxelinux.cfg/default file
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| 08:42 | <nosedrum> root@ltsp_a95:/opt/ltsp# grep nbd /etc/inetd.conf
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| 08:42 | #9572 stream tcp nowait nobody /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/nbdswapd
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| 08:42 | 2000 stream tcp nowait nobody /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/nbdrootd /opt/ltsp/images/i386.img
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| 08:42 | root@ltsp_a95:/opt/ltsp# cat /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default
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| 08:42 | DEFAULT vmlinuz ro initrd=initrd.img quiet splash
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| 08:43 | no port in default file ...
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| 08:44 | <robehend1> hmm
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| 08:44 | did you update to 10.04?
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| 08:44 | <nosedrum> yep
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| 08:44 | 9.04 -> 9.10 -> 10.04
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| 08:44 | <robehend1> try applying the nbd_proxy fix
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| 08:44 | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+bug/589034
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| 08:45 | last 2 comments provide instructions on how to do it
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| 08:45 | <nosedrum> ok i'll try this now
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| 08:45 | i'll be bck for result
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| 08:46 | <robehend1> alrighty, wish you luck
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| 08:52 | <nosedrum> ok
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| 08:52 | not ok
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| 08:52 | but change
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| 08:52 | i have ubuntu logo loading
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| 08:52 | and after a black screen with prompt => go into busy box
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| 08:53 | but before busy boox, some log with :
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| 08:53 | Error: failed to connect to NDB server 192.168.254.4:2000, retrying
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| 08:53 | message spamed many times
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| 08:53 | <_UsUrPeR_> nosedrum: is your nbd server up and running?
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| 08:53 | for sure?
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| 08:54 | <mgariepy> nosedrum, try connecting to you nbd server with telnet : telnet 192.168.254.4 2000
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| 08:55 | <nosedrum> root@ltsp_a95:~# /etc/init.d/nbd-server restart
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| 08:55 | Restarting the Network Block Device server is pretty harsh on clients still using it.
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| 08:55 | waiting 5 seconds...You have been warned!
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| 08:55 | Restarting Network Block Device server: Stopping Network Block Device server: nbd-server.
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| 08:55 | ** (process:10716): WARNING **: Could not parse config file: Could not open config file /etc/nbd-server/config.
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| 08:55 | ** Message: Nothing to do! Bye!
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| 08:55 | <nosedrum> nbd-server.
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| 08:55 | Telnet die
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| 08:55 | <_UsUrPeR_> I mean "service ndb status"
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| 08:55 | it shows that it's running right?
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| 08:55 | <nosedrum> root@ltsp_a95:~# service ndb status
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| 08:55 | ndb: unrecognized service
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| 08:55 | xD
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| 08:55 | <_UsUrPeR_> ffffffffffff
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| 08:56 | <nosedrum> netstat and ps -ef don't show nbd
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| 08:56 | <mgariepy> nbd is started via inetd
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| 08:56 | <_UsUrPeR_> in that case, check inetd :)
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| 08:56 | <mgariepy> nosedrum, try : netstat -taunp | grep LISTEN
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| 08:56 | <nosedrum> root@ltsp_a95:~# cat /etc/xinetd.d/nbrootd
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| 08:56 | service nbrootd
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| 08:56 | {
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| 08:56 | disable = no
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| 08:56 | socket_type = stream
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| 08:56 | protocol = tcp
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| 08:56 | port = 2000
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| 08:56 | wait = no
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| 08:56 | user = nobody
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| 08:56 | server = /usr/sbin/nbdrootd
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| 08:56 | server_args = /opt/ltsp/images/i386.img
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| 08:56 | root@ltsp_a95:~# netstat -taunp | grep LISTEN
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| 08:56 | tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:445 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 859/smbd
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| 08:56 | tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:139 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 859/smbd
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| 08:56 | tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:9102 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 1416/bacula-fd
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| 08:57 | tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:10000 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 1545/perl
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| 08:57 | tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:22 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 877/sshd
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| 08:57 | tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:631 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 1346/cupsd
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| 08:57 | tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:25 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 1223/master
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| 08:57 | <nosedrum> tcp6 0 0 :::22 :::* LISTEN 877/sshd
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| 08:57 | tcp6 0 0 ::1:631 :::* LISTEN 1346/cupsd
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| 08:57 | no nbd server
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| 08:57 | <robehend1> ack, sorry nose, just got back.
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| 08:57 | <Uzzi> nooooooooooooo!
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| 08:57 | <nosedrum> np _UsUrPeR_ help me too
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| 08:57 | <Uzzi> !pastebin
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| 08:57 | <ltspbot> Uzzi: "pastebin" :: the LTSP pastebin is at http://ltsp.pastebin.com. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebin, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. Don't forget to paste the URL of the text here.
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| 08:57 | <robehend1> try removing the "quiet splash" from your /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/chroot/pxelinux.cfg/default file, and rebooting
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| 08:57 | <nosedrum> very sorry for paste in chat
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| 08:57 | <robehend1> that'll show us any errors
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| 08:57 | <nosedrum> i'll pastebin for nexts
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| 08:58 | <mgariepy> nosedrum, you have inetd and xinetd installed on you machine ?
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| 08:59 | <nosedrum> yep
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| 08:59 | ...
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| 08:59 | <nosedrum> ok so i have a nbd server problem
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| 08:59 | and it's configured in inetd and xinet
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| 08:59 | so i have to cut some
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| 09:00 | <mgariepy> i personally use inetd. you should try to start it then retry the telnet client
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| 09:02 | <robehend1> i've had good luck with inetd
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| 09:03 | mgariepy: Say, with the edubuntu-menueditor, is it possible to change the icons and such of links?
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| 09:03 | <mgariepy> robehend1, nop
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| 09:04 | <robehend1> ah, ok. darn
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| 09:04 | <mgariepy> robehend1, edubuntu-menueditor is only managing the menus layout to hide and reorganize stuff.
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| 09:05 | <robehend1> understood. I was hoping I could reorganize under a different header, is all. Then I could add just that header to the gnome-panel, and get rid of the "Places" menu
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| 09:06 | <Uzzi> a client with etherboot doesn't find image
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| 09:07 | <nosedrum> i have purge my /etc/inetd.conf
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| 09:07 | <mgariepy> robehend1, places isn't a proper menu, only applications and system are.
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| 09:07 | <nosedrum> and reboot my server
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| 09:07 | <robehend1> mgariepy: thats what i figured. which is why it seems so difficult to get rid of ;)
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| 09:07 | <nosedrum> /usr/sbin/nbdrootd only drive by xinetd
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| 09:07 | wee'll see
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| 09:08 | <hahlo> is nbd faster than nfs?
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| 09:10 | <gsouque> hi
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| 09:10 | what is the best way to install fglrx in the ltsp chroot?
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| 09:12 | <robehend1> cant you install it via sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/chroot apt-get install fglrx ?
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| 09:14 | <gsouque> it is the only pkg to install ?
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| 09:14 | <robehend1> not sure, never used ati vid cards
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| 09:14 | try adapting https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/AtomIon to fit yoru needs. shows how to use the nvidia drivers for ION gpus
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| 09:16 | <Uzzi> all my ltsp users look "avaiables uploads". Can I denide this?
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| 09:21 | <nosedrum> ok so i have a problem with xinet.d i think
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| 09:21 | see that
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| 09:21 | http://pastebin.com/bQaNCeD2
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| 09:21 | nbd server on port 2000 don't run after reboot
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| 09:22 | <robehend1> hmm
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| 09:22 | i couldnt help ya there, i just know how to configure the ports, not get nbd workin.
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| 09:22 | Uzzi: what do you mean "available uploads" ? Where is that seen?
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| 09:24 | <cemc> ltsp on ubuntu lucid uses nbd. can I revert back to nfs easily ?
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| 09:24 | or at all
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| 09:24 | I suspect something fishy with nbd, but I can't prove it ;) my thin clients randomly don't boot up properly and I don't know whty
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| 09:25 | <robehend1> nbd proxy
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| 09:25 | let me get you the bugpage
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| 09:25 | cemc: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+bug/589034
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| 09:25 | <mgariepy> nosedrum, maybe you should use inetd instead.
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| 09:25 | <robehend1> cemc: last two comments give a fix, works great. Also, try LDM_DIRECTX = True to speed up boot. I'm getting sub 30 seconds
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| 09:28 | <highvoltage> LDM_DIRECTX wouldn't have an effect on boot speeds though
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| 09:28 | <Uzzi> robehend1, package update sorry :D
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| 09:28 | <robehend1> ah
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| 09:29 | <cemc> I AM using DIRECTX for other reasons
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| 09:29 | I'll try disabling nbd_proxy
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| 09:29 | <robehend1> highvoltage: it doesnt? I've seen increased bootspeeds after disabling it
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| 09:30 | <highvoltage> robehend1: enabling LDM_DIRECTX will increase performance once you've logged in, before that it has no effect
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| 09:31 | <robehend1> Uzzi: You can turn it off in gconf, under Apps->Update Notifier , then uncheck the auto launch button.
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| 09:31 | <highvoltage> robehend1: it merely disables the encryption/compression for your session to the application server, which isn't used during the boot process
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| 09:31 | <robehend1> highvoltage: ah, ok. Must be my imagination on the boot speed increase.
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| 09:32 | <nosedrum> OK
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| 09:32 | nbd server is up
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| 09:32 | (have to update /etc/services file)
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| 09:32 | but now i have black screen few seconds after ubuntu logo loading
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| 09:32 | ....
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| 09:33 | <robehend1> remove quiet splash from your pxelinux.cfg/default file
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| 09:33 | <nosedrum> ok i 'll try
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| 09:33 | have to ltsp-update-image or kernels ?
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| 09:33 | <robehend1> nope
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| 09:33 | it'll just let us see any error messages
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| 09:33 | <nosedrum> ok
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| 09:34 | i keep nbd_proxy=false ?
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| 09:34 | <robehend1> mhmm
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| 09:35 | <nosedrum> i try with
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| 09:36 | ok many error messages
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| 09:36 | about mounting
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| 09:36 | <mgariepy> nosedrum, yeah keep nbd_proxy to false
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| 09:36 | <robehend1> ok
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| 09:36 | <nosedrum> al mounting nbd failed
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| 09:36 | <robehend1> pastebin your grep nbd /etc/inetd.conf
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| 09:36 | <nosedrum> and finally :
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| 09:36 | tekoholic: arget filesystem doesn't have /sbin/init
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| 09:37 | No init found. Try passing init= bootarg
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| 09:37 | <mgariepy> robehend1, nosedrum is using xinetd
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| 09:37 | <nosedrum> i can paste my /etc/xinetd.d/nbrootd
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| 09:38 | <robehend1> ah, my bad
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| 09:38 | try doing that, nose.
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| 09:39 | <nosedrum> http://ltsp.pastebin.com/raw.php?i=ujCAPsV0
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| 09:39 | <robehend1> well, it looks like its throwing the right port out there..
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| 09:40 | try putting nbdport=2000 in your pxelinux.cfg/default file, just to see what happens
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| 09:40 | <nosedrum> ok
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| 09:41 | same issue
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| 09:41 | <robehend1> hmm. I'm not sure then, sadly. Any reason why you dont want to use inetd ?
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| 09:42 | <nosedrum> no reason
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| 09:42 | i can do that
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| 09:42 | <robehend1> i only suggest cuz its what i'm using, and its working for me.
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| 09:43 | <nosedrum> http://ltsp.pastebin.com/raw.php?i=S8DwyzEx
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| 09:43 | aggre with that inetd conf ?
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| 09:43 | <robehend1> loosk good to me
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| 09:44 | <Uzzi> robehend1, I've a client that doesn't load init process.filename : /ltspIi386/nbi.img and after a splashy error Connection refuse (but this problems thare is other pc (that boot fine)too)
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| 09:45 | <robehend1> Uzzi: pastebin your grep nbd /etc/inetd.conf and your pxelinux.cfg/default
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| 09:46 | <Uzzi> http://ltsp.pastebin.com/wx3b7Tc1 robehend1
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| 09:49 | http://ltsp.pastebin.com/5wTBY2es robehend1
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| 09:49 | <arvin_> nosedrum: try using nbdroot=IP:PORT instead (remove nbd_port in case it's defined).
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| 09:50 | <robehend1> Uzzi: are you using nfs or nbd
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| 09:50 | <Uzzi> nfs
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| 09:50 | <robehend1> Uzzi: ack, cant help ya. never used it :(
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| 09:51 | <Uzzi> :(
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| 09:51 | robehend1, there is a particular ltsp config for etherboot?
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| 09:52 | an other client with etherboot doesn't find image then doesn't boot
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| 09:52 | <arvin_> Uzzi: have you tried any client using PXE?
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| 09:52 | Uzzi: or only etherboot?
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| 09:53 | <cemc> I'm confused about how the /var/lib/..../pxelinux.cfg/default file is generated. I see that it gets copied from /opt/ltsp/i386/boot/pxelinux.cfg/default when I run ltsp-update-kernels, but what generates THAT file?
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| 09:53 | <Uzzi> i've gpxe, pxe and etherboot client
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| 09:53 | <robehend1> Uzzi: no clue
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| 09:53 | <Uzzi> one gpxe works fine
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| 09:53 | <robehend1> cemc: ltsp-update-image.conf has the flags
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| 09:53 | cemc: er, /etc/ltsp/ltsp-update-image.conf
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| 09:54 | <cemc> mine doesn't
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| 09:54 | I only have NO_COMP="...."
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| 09:55 | <cemc> but I DO have /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/ltsp/update-kernels.conf
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| 09:55 | which does have BOOTPARAM_OPTS=...
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| 10:00 | <Uzzi> gPXE has not my device drivers (sis191)
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| 10:06 | <arvin_> Uzzi: You need to define the vendor class for etherboot.
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| 10:06 | Uzzi: one second
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| 10:07 | Uzzi: like this http://ltsp.pastebin.com/tF56ZmXZ
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| 10:07 | <Uzzi> I've problems with: a linksys lne100tx and a sis191
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| 10:08 | ok arvin_
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| 10:48 | <arvin_> Uzzi: did it work?
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| 10:55 | <arvin_> alkisg: I have a tough one for you.
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| 10:55 | On a ubuntu minimal server + LTSP standalone running only X and rdesktop, how many clients do you think you could run simultaneously on this machine: http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/us/en/sm/WF06b/15351-15351-3328412-241644-241475-4091408-4151281-4151422.html
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| 10:56 | You may of course pull a qualified number out of your ass. :)
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| 10:56 | <arvin_> I'm thinking 50 easy, but 100? Would that be pushing it a bit?
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| 10:57 | <evil_root> what servers you expecting the users to use? firefox, office?
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| 10:57 | and how much ram are you putting in it
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| 10:57 | services*
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| 10:58 | <arvin_> It's that configuration and it's only running as slim of an X as minimal ubuntu + standalone will install, so no firefox, no nothing except rdesktop.
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| 10:59 | <alkisg> arvin_: if the clients are only running X and rdesktop, you could boot thousands of clients (depending solely on your network speed and if you boot them all at once or not) on a simple home pc...
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| 10:59 | <evil_root> if you run rdesktop as a local app, you could run even more
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| 11:00 | <arvin_> alkisg: of course what I'm interested in is max load. The maximum amount of simultaneous connections.
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| 11:00 | <alkisg> Suppose that a booting client needs to pull 20 Mb from the server. The server doesn't waste any CPU or RAM or disk for this, it just needs to be able to send 20 Mb * number of clients that boot simultaneously.
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| 11:00 | It's just network speed, no other load involved.
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| 11:00 | <arvin_> Hmm
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| 11:01 | rdesktop is running locally on a ramdisk?
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| 11:01 | <alkisg> So I'd prefer to use 10 very old PCs as servers instead of your expensive single one ;)
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| 11:01 | Yes, SCREEN_07=rdesktop makes it run locally
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| 11:01 | <evil_root> yes
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| 11:01 | <arvin_> And X as well?
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| 11:02 | <alkisg> Yes X runs locally
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| 11:02 | <arvin_> So let me get this straight, my entire environment is running locally on the ramdisk?
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| 11:02 | <alkisg> Yes
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| 11:02 | <arvin_> Wow
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| 11:02 | <alkisg> No
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| 11:02 | <evil_root> except the home directory
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| 11:02 | <alkisg> Not ramdisk, "networked disk"
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| 11:03 | For rdesktop there's no home sharing involved (from the ltsp server to the ltsp client)
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| 11:03 | <arvin_> Aha, so it's running the applications from NBD.
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| 11:03 | <alkisg> It's running rdesktop and X from nbd, yes
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| 11:03 | So the nbd traffic is the only bottleneck
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| 11:03 | <arvin_> And NBD server is just using disk space, no RAM.
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| 11:03 | Right?
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| 11:04 | I mean for the client applications.
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| 11:04 | <alkisg> It's using a little ram, which is insignificant
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| 11:04 | <arvin_> That's very interesting.
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| 11:04 | You just pushed my costs down.
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| 11:04 | :)
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| 11:04 | <alkisg> E.g. if you boot 50 clients per minute, and each of them needs 20 Mb to boot, ==> 50 x 20 = gigabit connection
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| 11:05 | If you want to boot 200 clients in a minute (and can't want 4 minutes for booting), put 4 pci-e nic cards
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| 11:05 | Something like that, not exact numbers, but you get the idea
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| 11:05 | <alkisg> After they boot they don't use nbd much
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| 11:05 | The main bottleneck is simultaneous booting
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| 11:10 | <arvin_> alkisg: that's not going to be the issue.
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| 11:10 | alkisg: the server will probably have constant load once it has been installed.
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| 11:10 | <alkisg> You can boot thousands with a home pc then
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| 11:11 | <arvin_> alkisg: So for 300 users I could use any server with a fast hard drive and say 2-3GB of RAM?
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| 11:11 | <alkisg> You don't need a fast drive
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| 11:11 | It will cache all the needed data in ram
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| 11:12 | For thin clients the nbd image is quite small, it fits easily in the server's ram
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| 11:12 | bbl
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| 11:19 | <arvin_> alkisg: so RAM is what we need.
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| 11:22 | <robehend1> Gosh I wish FedEx delivered faster. This 3com switch is driving me bonkers
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| 11:24 | <whale> Hi. could you help me with usb access under windows. i have working ltsp-cluster (root and 2 app servers) on ubntu 10.04. under linux usb works fine but under windows doesn't. In ltsp-clusre control i have set for my terminal RDP_OPTIONS=-r disk:Devices=/media/root also RDP_SERVER and SCREEN_07. when I login to windows I can see in my computer ltsp126 drive but it is empty. Ho wo configure it properly?
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| 11:25 | <robehend1> whale: did you try https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/RdesktopLocaldev
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| 11:28 | <whale> robehend1: I'm not using lts.conf directly with ltsp-cluster. I'm useing options stored in postgrsql I set in web console. in fact these they are the same options like in this manual.
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| 11:29 | <robehend1> whale: ah, makes sense. does cluster-control allow you to set options to your screen_07 = rdesktop setup?
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| 11:30 | <whale> robehend1: unfortunatell not. you can only set ldm or rdesktop
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| 11:30 | <robehend1> hmm, not sure then. not a cluster guy
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| 11:32 | <nosedrum> re !
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| 11:32 | i'm back
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| 11:32 | <robehend1> heyo
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| 11:32 | <whale> robehend1: thanks. I'll try directly with lts.conf
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| 11:32 | <nosedrum> my issue not resolve .... :(
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| 11:32 | <robehend1> nosedrum: whats it doing now
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| 11:32 | <nosedrum> i'm desesperate
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| 11:32 | ndb0: unknowwn pmatulisartition table
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| 11:32 | ndb0: unknown partition table
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| 11:33 | <pmatulis> nosedrum: huh?
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| 11:33 | <robehend1> hmm
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| 11:33 | i'm a bit out of my depth on that, to be honest.
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| 11:33 | <nosedrum> mount: mounting /dev/nbd0 on /rofs failed: Invalid argument
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| 11:33 | and same for each mount point
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| 11:34 | nbd-server is running
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| 11:34 | telnet works
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| 11:34 | i test with inetd and xinetd
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| 11:35 | the only thing i can change is
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| 11:35 | nbd_proxy=false in default file
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| 11:35 | with it ==> ndb0: unknown partition tabl
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| 11:35 | <robehend1> without it?
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| 11:36 | <nosedrum> without ==> error: can't connect to nbd-server 192.168.254.4:2000
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| 11:36 | loop of message
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| 11:36 | <robehend1> i honestly have no idea. do you, alkisg?
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| 11:36 | <whale> exit
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| 11:37 | <nosedrum> i have 82 ltsp server working like a charm in 9.04
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| 11:37 | and actualy i test the 10.04 upgrade
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| 11:38 | <nosedrum> but the upgrade seems to be a problem...
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| 11:38 | <robehend1> ya, i really dont like to run updates of whole distros. I take the 'backup and reinstall' method
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| 11:38 | <nosedrum> yes but backup reinstall method for 82 sites ..... oO
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| 11:38 | <robehend1> eww, right
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| 11:40 | <nosedrum> i'll put back my master image on my test server
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| 11:40 | go back 9.04 and test ltsp on each step
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| 11:40 | 9.04 -> 9.10
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| 11:40 | 9.10 -> 10.04
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| 11:40 | <robehend1> ya, otherwise i dont know what to tell you
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| 11:41 | <nosedrum> i make many manipulation since begining of tests
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| 11:41 | i'll be back here with more details on issue declaration
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| 11:42 | <robehend1> luck
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| 11:43 | <robehend1> now to make an attractive ldm theme that isnt 800 gazillion megabytes
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| 11:44 | <pmatulis> robehend1: yes, those take a while to load
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| 11:44 | <robehend1> pmatulis: heh. have a nice image all done, but its 3.9 megabytes
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| 11:45 | <pmatulis> robehend1: yeah, looks real pretty :)
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| 11:59 | <nosedrum> exit
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| 12:42 | <robehend1> dgroos: if you dont mind me asking, how do you lockdown your student desktops and such on your ltsp?
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| 12:50 | <dgroos> hey robehend1--you don't have students who don't cooperate with your every suggestion? ;)
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| 12:50 | Let me tell you...
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| 12:50 | but gotta later, I'm in the middle of a class :D
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| 12:53 | <robehend1> haha, would love to hear more when your back ;)
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| 12:59 | <robehend1> Gadi: Just the guy I wanted to see. What was that fix you had clobbered together to make Sabayon work? Something about tmp files or something
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| 13:00 | <Gadi> heh "clobbered"
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| 13:00 | prolly more accurate than "cobbled"
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| 13:00 | <robehend1> i enjoy the mental vision of someone, a hammer, and lines of code. what can i say
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| 13:00 | simple, simple tastes
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| 13:00 | <Gadi> Sabayon creates a temporary profile file
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| 13:01 | I think something like /tmp/profie*.zip
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| 13:01 | er, /tmp/profile*.zip
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| 13:01 | when you open the profile for editing
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| 13:01 | so, while the profile is open for editing, I make my changes
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| 13:01 | but before I save, I delete that tmp file
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| 13:02 | then, I save and quit
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| 13:02 | <robehend1> what if it wont let you open a profile to edit it, or make a new one?
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| 13:02 | <Gadi> wont let you?
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| 13:02 | you mean it crashes?
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| 13:04 | <robehend1> yes
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| 13:04 | <Gadi> is this after we made that surgical edit to that file
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| 13:04 | or is this a stock sabayon?
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| 13:05 | <robehend1> heppens on both stock and edited
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| 13:05 | though could it be that I'm trying to run it via ssh -X ?
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| 13:05 | <Gadi> yeah, that could be
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| 13:05 | <robehend1> hmm, well that sorta sucks, since its on a kvm guest OS
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| 13:05 | and it does the same through the VNC connection
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| 13:05 | <Gadi> it could be the VM
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| 13:06 | I have had issues with doing it through a VM
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| 13:06 | <robehend1> hmm
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| 13:06 | <Gadi> yeah
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| 13:06 | <robehend1> darn. its such a handy program ;)
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| 13:06 | <Gadi> Im not sure whats with VM graphics
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| 13:06 | but programs like Xephyr and stuff
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| 13:06 | seem to have a hard time
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| 13:06 | sometimes
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| 13:07 | <robehend1> well i have a standalone server install here, let me ssh into that and see if it'll x forward stock sabayon
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| 13:07 | <Gadi> and sabayon uses Xephyr
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| 13:07 | one of the many pitfalls of this whole - make your profile changes in a test desktop in a window approach
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| 13:07 | <robehend1> understandable though
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| 13:08 | <Gadi> I guess
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| 13:08 | I still dont know why they dont just copy group policies on windows
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| 13:08 | <robehend1> hmm. weird. when I launch it from the command line with a standard sudo sabayon, it'll crash when I try to edit a profile
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| 13:08 | <Gadi> sure, its boring work to copy
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| 13:08 | <robehend1> but if i launch it with gksudo, it works
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| 13:08 | <Gadi> but at least its reliable
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| 13:09 | interesting
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| 13:09 | <robehend1> let me try to make a new one. i dont know why using gksudo instead of sudo would affect it though
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| 13:11 | weird. works fine
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| 13:38 | <Gadi> wow
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| 13:38 | politics meets oss
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| 13:38 | <_UsUrPeR_> ?
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| 13:38 | <robehend1> hmm?
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| 13:38 | <Gadi> so, I do some work for a school
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| 13:38 | <john_s> can anyone give me advice about using an IME with local Firefox. I want to be able to switch between English and Japanese Character input
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| 13:38 | <Gadi> at times
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| 13:38 | <robehend1> Gadi: welcome to hell eh?
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| 13:38 | <_UsUrPeR_> Gadi: You have me intrigued. Please, don't keep me hanging
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| 13:39 | <Gadi> and they said they had some slowness in a geography program
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| 13:39 | so, I log in and fire up kgeography
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| 13:39 | so, I decide to put up a map
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| 13:39 | <Gadi> and, with my natural bias (and since the default was USA), I threw up Israel
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| 13:40 | with interesting results....
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| 13:40 | <_UsUrPeR_> ?
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| 13:40 | <robehend1> country doesnt exist?
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| 13:40 | <_UsUrPeR_> tell me you took a screen shot
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| 13:40 | <Gadi> oh it exists
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| 13:40 | <_UsUrPeR_> There's no Palestinian portion?
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| 13:40 | <Gadi> just, I suppose the border dispute that plagues the poor country cannot be avoided when making a map for kgeography
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| 13:41 | <robehend1> ooo fun
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| 13:41 | <_UsUrPeR_> is it a giat cross-hatch with the subscript "????????"
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| 13:41 | <Gadi> nope
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| 13:41 | <robehend1> i'm hoping for ponies, myself
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| 13:41 | <_UsUrPeR_> lol
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| 13:41 | <Gadi> I guess it is just one of those things to keep an eye on
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| 13:42 | I shouldnt bring politics into #ltsp
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| 13:42 | :)
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| 13:42 | <robehend1> ha, a few days ago we had 20 minutes of the IT crowd
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| 13:42 | <_UsUrPeR_> well they been brought dawg!
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| 13:42 | AWWW SHIIIIIIIIIIIiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii
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| 13:42 | <Gadi> its just prolly not the program my kids will use in their school
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| 13:42 | :)
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| 13:42 | <robehend1> im curious now, what came up?
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| 13:42 | <_UsUrPeR_> Soviet Russia
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| 13:43 | <Gadi> hehe
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| 13:43 | <_UsUrPeR_> "Here there be dragons"
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| 13:44 | <john_s> Any ideas re: local apps and IME settings?
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| 13:45 | <_UsUrPeR_> john_s: start from the beginning
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| 13:45 | <robehend1> john_s: never tried, sadly. Will it be for one thin client strictly beingo ne language, or switching alot
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| 13:45 | <Gadi> john_s: what do you use on the server?
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| 13:46 | <john_s> I am running Lucid with local firefox. My users alternate between japanese language input and english. I need it to work with local firefox
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| 13:47 | I figure I have to run ibus and maybe install language support in the chroot but I am not sure what i need
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| 13:49 | <Gadi> john_s: you have it working on other apps that run on the server?
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| 13:49 | <john_s> basically I need multiple language support for local apps
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| 13:49 | gadi: right, it works for server apps but not local apps
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| 13:49 | AFAIKT
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| 13:50 | <Gadi> hmm... you will need at minimum the language support in the chroot
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| 13:50 | I would install that first and not install ibus in the chroot
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| 13:50 | and see if you can get it going
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| 13:50 | <Gadi> ibus is integrated with gconf, I believe
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| 13:51 | and all of its settings are in gconf keys
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| 13:51 | <john_s> gadi: sounds reasonable. Do you know the command line way to install japanese language support? e.g. what packages need to be rolled in?
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| 13:51 | <Gadi> if you install it locally, it will bring gconfd in along with it and you *may* have an issue with 2 gconfd accessing the same user's keys at once
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| 13:52 | <mgariepy> ibus need to run on the server, an issue you might have with ibus is the ibus dialog position on firefox
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| 13:52 | <Gadi> I believe there is a meta package
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| 13:52 | lets see
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| 13:53 | language-support-ja
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| 13:53 | that's prolly what you want
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| 13:53 | language-support-ja - metapackage for Japanese language support
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| 13:56 | btw, john_s: the answer to your email to the list lies in gconf
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| 13:56 | <john_s> gadi: the meta package wants to install anthy, ibus, ibus-anthy etc
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| 13:56 | really?
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| 13:56 | that's great news
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| 13:56 | <Gadi> ah, well I guess it is fine to install it
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| 13:57 | <john_s> :-)
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| 13:57 | <Gadi> the daemon will run server side
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| 13:57 | dont manually start ibus on the client or anything
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| 13:57 | john_s: are you familiar with gconf-editor?
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| 13:59 | if you can find out what gconf keys are added when you do "add input method" .... you can then set those keys as either default or mandatory for every user
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| 13:59 | <john_s> gadi: yes a bit
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| 14:02 | <john_s> gadi: thanks for the help I'll let you know what I find out
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| 14:02 | <Gadi> good luck
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| 14:02 | 幸運
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| 14:10 | <robehend1> anyone know of a way to change the color of just the text on a gnome panel, without changing the color of window text as well?
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| 14:28 | <m4xx> robehend1: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=334747
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| 14:28 | does that help?
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| 14:29 | <robehend1> ah, yes. thankee
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| 14:29 | now to just make a decent "start" button thingy, and ill be set
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| 14:36 | <john_s> gadi: no dice on install the japanese language meta package in the local chroot
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| 14:37 | gadi: also don't see anything in gconf that would see to see what languages are loaded into input method tab of ibus preference ui
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| 14:37 | <Gadi> john_s: nothing in gconf under ibus?
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| 14:38 | <john_s> Gadi: only thing I see is a hot-key setting, I don't notice anything that says what language are available and loaded for use
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| 14:39 | <Gadi> no preload_engines key?
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| 14:41 | john_s: also, maybe mgariepy can chime in again when he is available - French Canadians must deal with this all the time :)
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| 14:41 | <john_s> Gadi: Yes there is a preload_engines key which is blank. Any idea what it should be set to to support english and Japanes
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| 14:41 | <mgariepy> lol
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| 14:44 | <john_s> mgariepy: I am trying to set ibus to load japanese and english language support automatically for all users, any ideas?
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| 14:45 | <Gadi> try: ibus-anthy
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| 14:47 | <mgariepy> i know that ibus need to start on session opening
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| 14:48 | will you have some thin client in japanese and other in english ?
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| 14:48 | or you want it in english with ibus input method ?
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| 14:49 | we install ibus-gtk on the applications server
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| 14:50 | <john_s> mgariepy: I have english speakers who are taking a japanese class an need to switch between english and hiragana and katakana
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| 14:50 | <mgariepy> and ibus-qt4
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| 14:52 | we have deployed this for a chinese organisation
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| 14:53 | <john_s> I have ibus-gtk installed as part of the stock ubuntu lucid install what is the function of ibus-qt4??
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| 14:53 | <mgariepy> how does the user start the japanese environemnt ? they choose japanese in ldm > language ?
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| 14:54 | <john_s> mgariepy: They usually hit ctrl+space and the Anthy widget pops up, then they choses japanse input
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| 14:54 | at least thats how it worked under ubuntu Hardy
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| 14:55 | My problem is I seem to have to configure this per user rather than once
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| 14:55 | So I am looking for a way to tell ibus to always load the japanese language option
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| 14:56 | <mgariepy> prout
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| 14:56 | wait a sec
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| 14:56 | <john_s> ok
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| 14:57 | <mgariepy> we have ibus starting on session starts i just need to find where it starts
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| 14:59 | <cemc> when, how and from where is the file /opt/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default updated?
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| 14:59 | <robehend1> cemc: when you use the ltsp-update-image command
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| 14:59 | <john_s> I can start the ibus daemon with a script when users log on e.g. "ibus-daemon &" but the user doesn't have the choice to use Japanese input unless they go to system>pref>ibus and add it manually
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| 14:59 | <cemc> +/boot/
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| 14:59 | <robehend1> cemc: which can be configured via /etc/ltsp/ltsp-update-image.conf file
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| 15:00 | <cemc> robehend1: so if I put BOOTPARAM_OPTIONS="whatever" in /etc/ltsp/ltsp-update-image.conf and run ltsp-update-image, tt should appear in /opt/ltsp/i386/boot/pxelinux.cfg/default
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| 15:01 | <robehend1> i believe so
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| 15:01 | <cemc> BOOTPROMPT_OPTIONS, sorry
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| 15:04 | <mgariepy> john_s, maybe try with the xinput-all-ALL alternative and point it to ibus
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| 15:04 | <cemc> robehend1: it didn't update
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| 15:04 | <mgariepy> john_s, im-switch - set up input method for X Window
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| 15:05 | <cemc> robehend1: maybe I need a newer LTSP ? this is 5.2.1
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| 15:05 | <robehend1> cemc: ack, my mistake. ltsp-update-kernels updates the boot prompts, it looks. I'm going off of the Alkisg's nbdproxy fix, which included adding bootprompts
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| 15:06 | <cemc> robehend1: I'm looking at that too, but it doesn't do what it says ;) apprently
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| 15:06 | <robehend1> kill it with fire?
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| 15:06 | <john_s> mgariepy: I am not familiar with "xinput-all-ALL"
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| 15:06 | <john_s> mgariepy: would that look like "im-switch xinput-all-ALL"
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| 15:06 | <cemc> if I'm not mistaken, ltsp-update-kernel will copy the default file from inside the chroot to /var/lib/.../default
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| 15:06 | but I don't see it updating the file
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| 15:07 | <mgariepy> john_s, what i've working on is a chinese environmet, so when ppl logs in they have the chineses lang set. the ibus load correctly alone, sinve you have an english env, when ibus start it doesn;t know what lang you want.
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| 15:09 | <john_s> mgariepy: correct unless I manually specify it via System>Preferences>ibus Preferences>Input Method
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| 15:09 | mgariepy: my issue is that I want to automate this for all users
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| 15:09 | so that they always have English and Japanese as methods
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| 15:10 | <mgariepy> john_s, try : im-switch -v -z all_ALL -l
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| 15:10 | this will list the current and avalable input method
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| 15:12 | <john_s> mgariepy: I see English Listed but not japanese. Interestingly I have japanese available under this user since I manually added it
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| 15:12 | So perhaps I am not understanding what is reported
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| 15:14 | <mgariepy> john_s, maybe this can helphttp://piao-tech.blogspot.com/2010/05/japanese-input-in-karmic-koala-kubuntu.html
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| 15:14 | http://piao-tech.blogspot.com/2010/05/japanese-input-in-karmic-koala-kubuntu.html
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| 15:16 | <john_s> mgariepy: thanks for your help. I'll look into this
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| 15:17 | <mgariepy> sorry i couldn't be of more help
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| 15:19 | <john_s> mgariepy: very helpful, thank you for your time, I appreciate it!
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| 15:20 | bye
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| 15:20 | <mgariepy> cya
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| 15:30 | <alkisg> cemc: ltsp-update-image --force. Force regenerates the pxelinux.cfg/default file in the chroot too
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| 15:31 | <robehend1> thats what I'm missing. i thought i was on the right path
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| 15:35 | <cemc> oh, nice. that was it
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| 15:35 | alkisg, robehend1: thanks!
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| 15:51 | <eddiek> hi there. i need some help with installing local apps. i am trying to setup firefox and vlc and a flash plugin to run on the client device
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| 15:51 | <robehend1> Gadi: any idea why telling Sabayon to use a different profile for all users isnt taking?
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| 15:51 | <eddiek> can anyone help me please?
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| 15:51 | <robehend1> eddiek: have you taken a look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPLocalAppsFirefox
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| 15:52 | <cemc> what does nbd_proxy=false do exactly? how do I know that it's working?
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| 15:54 | when I ssh to the thin client I still see an nbd-proxy process running
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| 15:54 | <eddiek> yes. i have also run through the bug fix issue part. when i boot the client I cannot see vlc or firefox in the menus. also when i run ltsp-localapps firefox or vlc, they dont run either. i am very newbie to linux and ltsp.
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| 15:54 | <robehend1> eddiek: did you update the image after you installed the programs in the chroot?
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| 15:56 | <eddiek> im just running sudo ltsp-update-image -a i386_w_localapps now to make sure. is that right?
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| 15:56 | <robehend1> if thats wat your chroot is called, yes
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| 15:56 | <eddiek> yes
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| 15:56 | as the instructions suggest
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| 16:03 | <eddiek> hi there again. i have updated my image...still the same
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| 16:03 | no vlc or firefox
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| 16:04 | <robehend1> even with you doing ltsp-localapps firefox ?
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| 16:06 | <eddiek> yes
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| 16:06 | i think i am getting confused with lts.conf file. could that cause this issue
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| 16:07 | <robehend1> pastebin your lts.conf
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| 16:07 | ltsp.pastebin.com
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| 16:07 | <eddiek> what do u mean
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| 16:09 | <eddiek> oh i see hang on
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| 16:09 | <robehend1> ack, sorry edd, i've gotta go. If i can get back, i'll take a look and see what i can do
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