IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 11 January 2009 (all times are UTC)
| 00:00 | <kc8pxy> easier question, where is it documented, how to manually set up the dhcp to make ltsp work?
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| 00:00 | or is it simpler to just tell me?
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| 00:47 | johnny: still therer?
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| 01:29 | <johnny> kc8pxy, it's in one of the example files
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| 01:29 | in the /usr/share/docs for ltsp-server
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| 01:29 | or should be
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| 01:29 | kc8pxy, sadly.. you realy have to know your cards atm
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| 01:29 | the more cards you add.. the slower it will boot
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| 01:30 | i recommend this script
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| 01:31 | oh.. it's on my broken machine.. ops
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| 01:31 | lemme see if i can write it real quick..
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| 01:31 | it's a total hack
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| 01:35 | http://localmomentum.net/~johnny/scripts/enter_ltsp_chroot.sh
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| 09:13 | <moldy> hi
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| 09:14 | after updating my client chroot to ubuntu 8.10, the guest login button is gone
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| 09:14 | can anyone tell me how to fix this?
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| 09:16 | <moldy> i am using the same lts.conf as before, which specifies ALLOW_GUEST="Yes"
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| 09:23 | <moldy> ahh, the name of the parameter.changed... ok
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| 09:29 | <warren> pscheie: I think maybe we should cancel the weekly meetings. I don't feel that it has been a good use of time.
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| 09:29 | pscheie: (and I haven't felt motivated to wake up on sundays, and most other people haven't either)
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| 09:32 | <moldy> "The standard language codes for the LANG environment variable are used" what does that mean? de_DE.UTF8 does not work here. is it just de_DE?
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| 09:33 | <warren> moldy: .utf8?
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| 09:34 | <moldy> warren: you mean i should use small letters?
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| 09:34 | <warren> I think so
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| 09:34 | <moldy> warren: thanks, will try that next
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| 09:35 | <Q-FUNK> howdy!
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| 09:36 | <moldy> for some reason, lts.conf in tftpboot does not work for me
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| 09:37 | i have to put it into the chroot
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| 09:37 | hi Q-FUNK
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| 09:42 | warren: hm, still no luck
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| 09:43 | i now tried de_DE.UTF8, de_DE.utf8 and de_DE
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| 09:43 | ldm is still english-only
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| 09:43 | <warren> moldy: did you edit it in the chroot?
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| 09:43 | <ogra> the locale is called de_DE.UTF-8
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| 09:43 | <moldy> warren: yes.
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| 09:43 | <ogra> (mind the dash)
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| 09:44 | <moldy> ogra: thanks, i will try that
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| 09:44 | <warren> ogra: hmm, what is your en_US locale called?
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| 09:44 | <ogra> en_US.UTF-8
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| 09:44 | <warren> ogra: huh... glibc doesn't call it that
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| 09:44 | <ogra> no idea
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| 09:44 | <warren> [warren@newcaprica ~]$ locale -a |grep de_DE |grep utf
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| 09:44 | de_DE.utf8
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| 09:44 | [warren@newcaprica ~]$ locale -a |grep en_US |grep utf
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| 09:44 | en_US.utf8
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| 09:44 | <ogra> i just know its called like that since debian exists
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| 09:44 | <warren> how wonderfully inconsistent
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| 09:44 | <ogra> or at least since debian supports utf8
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| 09:45 | <moldy> locale -a says de_DE.utf8 here, but env|grep LANG says de_DE.UTF-8
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| 09:45 | <ogra> right
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| 09:45 | i was meaning LANG ..
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| 09:45 | <warren> [warren@newcaprica ~]$ echo $LANG
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| 09:45 | en_US.utf8
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| 09:45 | <ogra> how did you call ISO locales in fedora before utf8 was there ?
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| 09:46 | <warren> [warren@newcaprica ~]$ locale -a |grep ja_JP
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| 09:46 | ja_JP
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| 09:46 | ja_JP.eucjp
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| 09:46 | ja_JP.ujis
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| 09:46 | ja_JP.utf8
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| 09:46 | <ogra> ISO8859-1 was capitalized as well since i know it
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| 09:46 | <moldy> the fact that ldm is localized in recent versions was the main reason for me to upgrade. up to now, it is the only thing that is not working ;)
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| 09:46 | <warren> ogra: zu_ZA.iso88591 exists, but no capitals
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| 09:46 | <ogra> funny
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| 09:47 | i only know encodings in capital letters since i know linux
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| 09:47 | <warren> never been capitalized here
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| 09:47 | <ogra> (and i started with redhat in 96)
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| 09:47 | <warren> maybe case doesn't matter?
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| 09:47 | <ogra> (didnt keep it for long tough, to painful)
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| 09:47 | <warren> anyway, gotta shovel
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| 09:47 | <moldy> i think the locale names are basically arbitrary
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| 09:47 | <ogra> happy shoveling :)
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| 09:48 | * ogra is happy it doesnt snow here ... -5°C but no new snow since days | |
| 09:49 | <ogra> moldy, if you build your chroot freshly on the new system it should have picked the servers locale and configured that btw
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| 09:49 | <moldy> ogra: hmm
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| 09:49 | <ogra> so if your server is german the newly built chroot shuld be as well
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| 09:49 | <moldy> i did not do that, i upgraded the chroot
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| 09:49 | <ogra> ah
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| 09:50 | you should rebuild
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| 09:50 | always
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| 09:50 | <moldy> hm, i will try
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| 09:50 | <ogra> there is to much that ltsp-build-client configures at buildtime
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| 09:50 | <moldy> then i should document the manual customizations to my chroot better ;)
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| 09:51 | took me some time to figure out how to create a chroot with which the clients boot :)
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| 09:54 | btw: do recent clients run a dhcp client daemon?
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| 09:59 | <ogra> client daemon ??
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| 09:59 | they run ipconfig from klibc in initramfs
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| 09:59 | as they always did in ubuntu and debian
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| 10:02 | <moldy> is that supposed to correctly renew the dhcp lease?
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| 10:03 | my clients did not do that so far
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| 10:03 | which imho is a bug
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| 10:03 | yay, after creating a new chroot, ldm i18n is working :) thanks
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| 10:05 | settings from /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf are still not recognized though, i have to make them in the chroot and run ltsp-update-image
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| 10:07 | <ogra> thats weird
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| 10:08 | initramfs should pul them from there
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| 10:08 | are you sure you have no typo in your lts.conf or something ?
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| 10:13 | <moldy> ogra: http://rafb.net/p/9UPhte38.html
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| 10:14 | <ogra> that looks ok
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| 10:14 | not much in it either :)
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| 10:14 | <moldy> yep
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| 10:32 | anyway, from the chroot, it works
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| 10:32 | thanks :)
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| 10:43 | <Administrator_> hello
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| 10:43 | does LTSP have a commandline interface for session management?
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| 10:43 | like logging users out and in?
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| 10:44 | <nubae> from a central location?
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| 10:44 | i suggest u look into italc
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| 10:47 | <Administrator_> thanks
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| 10:47 | guess that could work
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| 10:48 | <ogra> not comandline though
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| 10:51 | <ogra> nubae, thats actually the only useful part of thinclient-manager :)
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| 10:52 | thin-client-manager-backend has a tool called scp-remote that works from commandline and offers things like lock and logout
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| 10:57 | <nubae> italc locks out terminals too
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| 10:57 | <ogra> right, but is a big beast compared
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| 10:58 | <nubae> ah, right... I suppose you're right
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| 10:58 | <ogra> thin-client-manager-backend is 88k installed size :)
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| 12:24 | <Q-FUNK> http://www.zii.com/resource/zms/DMS05-PB-23DEC08.pdf
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| 12:24 | oops
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| 16:17 | <TheProf> Hello - a quick question please. I'm trying to see an error during the LTSP server's bootup where it lists the different things starting and gives either [OK] or [FAILED] however it goes by too quickly. Is there a place on the system once I log in where it is logged?
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| 16:41 | <TheProf> Any takers? :)
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| 21:27 | <kc8pxy> johnny: that is TOTALLY a hack. :) but it uses one of my favorite options :) -o bind :)
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| 21:27 | johnny: and without a recompile, it won't work on my box :-(
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| 21:27 | <usman> hi, i have a problem i am configuring ltsp 4 on fedora 9 then only error is cannot find portmapper please help me
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| 21:27 | <kc8pxy> usman: use ltsp 5
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| 21:28 | <usman> well i try ltsp 5 but i was giving me errors message when making clients
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| 21:30 | ltsp-build-client
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| 21:30 | <johnny> recompile kc8pxy ?
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| 21:30 | <usman> when typing this command gives error
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| 21:31 | <johnny> usman, so few people know how to fix ltsp4.. it is not worth using unless absolutely required
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| 21:32 | and then you are generally on your own
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| 21:32 | <Ryan52> usman, if you try ltsp 5, it didn't work, so you try ltsp 4, and it doesn't work...why dont you go back to ltsp 5? from what I can tell, there's no difference (they both don't work for you).
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| 21:34 | <kc8pxy> johnny: that only works if my host kernel rev is the same as my chroot kernel rev., right?? host is .26-r? and IIRC, genkernel rolled a 27-?
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| 21:35 | <johnny> oops.. i just missed whatever was said
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| 21:35 | <kc8pxy> johnny: that only works if my host kernel rev is the same as my chroot kernel rev., right?? host is .26-r? and IIRC, genkernel rolled a 27-?
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| 21:35 | and totally wont work for my test box, as the host in amd64, and the client chroot is x86.
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| 21:35 | <johnny> no.. those are close enough
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| 21:36 | the .26 and .27
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| 21:36 | and yes it wil lwork with amd64 and client of x86
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| 21:36 | that's what i dod
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| 21:36 | do*
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| 21:36 | that's why there's linux32 in the beginning
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| 21:36 | linux32 chroot /path
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| 21:36 | those arches are close enough that you can fool it with that
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| 21:38 | <kc8pxy> kk
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| 21:45 | <usman> this is the error for ltsp 5 fedora after running ltsp-build-client
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| 21:46 | Root directory /opt/ltsp/i386 already exists, this will lead to problems, please remove it before trying again. Exiting.
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| 21:46 | error: LTSP client installation ended abnormally
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| 21:46 | <johnny> that means you need to delete it
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| 21:46 | <kc8pxy> I'm trying to roll a gPXE disk to test my clients with (still not sure i have the dhcpd settings correct)
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| 21:46 | <johnny> and start over
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| 21:46 | rm -rf /opt/ltsp/i386
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| 21:46 | and then rerun it
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| 21:46 | then tell us the error
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| 21:47 | <kc8pxy> and I'm having trouble finding a nic i have at the house.
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| 21:47 | <johnny> ouch
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| 21:47 | none of your boards have onboard pxe?
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| 21:47 | <kc8pxy> johnny: only the server "-(
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| 21:47 | <johnny> ouch
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| 21:48 | so nothing on rom-o-matic will work?
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| 21:48 | that sucks?
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| 21:48 | <kc8pxy> e100 is the closest i know.. and i only se e1000 on there.
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| 21:49 | <johnny> gonna have to get new nics then.
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| 21:56 | <usman> 2 errors during ltsp 5 installation
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| 21:56 | Starting NFS services: exportfs: duplicated export entries:
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| 21:56 | <johnny> that's not an error
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| 21:56 | <usman> exportfs: Warning: /var/opt/ltsp/swapfiles does not exist
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| 21:56 | <johnny> hmm..
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| 21:57 | you need to ask the fedora people
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| 21:57 | don't they have a mailing list?
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| 21:57 | warren, you about?
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| 21:57 | <warren> johnny: no
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| 21:58 | usman: what distro are you running?
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| 21:58 | usman: /var/opt/ltsp/swapfiles listed in /etc/exports has never been in fedora ever
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| 21:58 | did you follow some bad instructions from somewhere?
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| 21:58 | usman: what are you trying to do, what version of fedora?
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| 22:00 | <johnny> warren, you sure look about to me :)
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| 22:00 | <usman> fedora 9
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| 22:00 | warren:fedora 9 sulphr
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| 22:00 | <warren> usman: https://fedorahosted.org/k12linux/
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| 22:00 | usman: try the k12linux install media instead, it is a lot easier.
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| 22:01 | <usman> yes i am using it
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| 22:01 | and trying to install it
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| 22:02 | <warren> usman: do not follow InstallGuide if you are using the k12linux live server
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| 22:02 | usman: and the live server is Fedora 10, download the new one
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| 22:03 | <usman> warren: no live server
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| 22:04 | warren: making a real ltsp server
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| 22:04 | <warren> usman: I am saying, you clearly do not know what you are doing, so you should download the live server media and install from it, because it is WAY easier.
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| 22:04 | <usman> warren: ok can you give me the link of live server
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| 22:04 | <warren> oh god
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| 22:04 | I'm sorry.
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| 22:04 | <usman> :$
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| 22:05 | <warren> usman: I already gave you the link.
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| 22:05 | <usman> warren: okes
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| 22:06 | warren: is that for fedora 9
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| 22:06 | warren: or only for fedora 10
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| 22:06 | <warren> why do you want fedora 9?
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| 22:06 | fedora 10 is way better
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| 22:06 | 10 is greater than 9
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| 22:06 | If you want more awesome, use Fedora 11, which isn't even out yet.
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| 22:07 | <usman> ok
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| 22:07 | fedora 10
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| 22:07 | <kc8pxy> paydirt!:)
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| 22:08 | <johnny> lol
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| 22:08 | <kc8pxy> my mife's machine has 3c59x when i lsmod :)
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| 22:08 | <johnny> warren == awesome
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| 22:08 | <kc8pxy> wife's
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| 22:15 | <kc8pxy> i think i have a simpler solution :)
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| 22:15 | at least, one that bothers the wife's comp less :)
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| 22:17 | how the heck does a gentoo box get this error??
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| 22:17 | <kc8pxy> *** Unable to find the ncurses libraries or the
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| 22:17 | *** required header files.
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| 22:17 | *** 'make menuconfig' requires the ncurses libraries.
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| 22:18 | <johnny> weird.. i thought that was in the base profile
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| 22:19 | <kc8pxy> what??
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| 22:19 | * kc8pxy is stupid. | |
| 22:19 | <kc8pxy> it runs like a charm after i su -
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| 22:20 | <johnny> hmm
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| 22:22 | <kc8pxy> yeah.. then again, i think i may have compiled the first kernel as root.. so the whole thing is now permissioned as root :-(
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| 22:24 | vbox client, external dhcp(different host), tapped and bridged, vbox guest on ltsp server?
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| 22:36 | <johnny> hmm?
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| 22:36 | when i was testing mine.. i used the host as the ltsp server
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| 22:36 | and then had vbox clients logging into it
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| 22:42 | <kc8pxy> it's trying to grab a 10.0.0.0/24 ip. and my local is 192.168.2/0/24
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| 22:42 | 2.0/24
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| 22:43 | how do i get it out?
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| 22:45 | gah
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| 22:45 | kernel compile is blowing chunks.
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| 22:46 | nat with pxe in vbox should work, yes?
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| 23:01 | <johnny> hmm..
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| 23:03 | i thought you set up all that tunneling business
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| 23:03 | err
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| 23:03 | all that tuntap business
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| 23:04 | can you explain your setup again?
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| 23:04 | i don't understand what you said
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| 23:06 | <kc8pxy> i had.. then i handed that box off :-(
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| 23:06 | <johnny> well, i don't know what to tell you yet then
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| 23:07 | <kc8pxy> right now i have dhcp server, playing wan gateway. and i have ltsp host, with vbox client trying to lan boot. i don't have the tuntap reconfigured yet, so I'm using nat.
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| 23:07 | i'm getting an ip from what vbox is doing as a dhcp, not the wan gateway.
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| 23:12 | <johnny> i don't know if you can with the nat
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| 23:13 | altho.. i coulda swore i heard of such a thing
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| 23:14 | <kc8pxy> LOL!!!!!!!!
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| 23:14 | < > Open Sound System (DEPRECATED) (NEW) --->
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| 23:18 | <johnny> finally
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| 23:19 | altho of course.. right after that.. the oss4 people opened up
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| 23:19 | <kc8pxy> finally?
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| 23:19 | <johnny> so. oss is back on the table again
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| 23:19 | weird huh
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| 23:19 | just when i was getting excited about finally picking something
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| 23:19 | altho it matters less and less as pulse is getting acceptable
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| 23:19 | <kc8pxy> how can oss be marked as both new and deprecated, in my menuconfig??
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| 23:19 | <johnny> except for the audio producers..
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| 23:19 | because it is a new notice i guess?
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| 23:20 | perhaps read it as . newly deprecated
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| 23:20 | <kc8pxy> deprecated is the new new :)
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| 23:22 | <Ryan52> unrelated to ltsp, but I can run a 32 bit guest with kvm on a 64 bit system, right?
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| 23:23 | <kc8pxy> .......
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| 23:23 | vbox?
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| 23:24 | does your cpu have virtualization flags?
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| 23:24 | <Ryan52> yes
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| 23:24 | <kc8pxy> then mebbe.
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| 23:24 | <Ryan52> that was helpful -.-
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| 23:25 | <kc8pxy> because with those, IIRC, (i'm DEFINATELY an expert) the guest doesn't have to see any of the host, so if the cpu can do it, why not?
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| 23:25 | <johnny> Ryan52, yes
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| 23:26 | <Ryan52> johnny, thanks
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| 23:26 | <johnny> a gentoo developer has been running a 64bit kernel with 32 userland..
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| 23:26 | nice to see that working easily..
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| 23:26 | <Ryan52> oh...why? :)
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| 23:28 | <johnny> i wonder if he posted about it.. so i can let him tell you
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| 23:39 | <kc8pxy> johnny: someone actually got a non-linux32 32-bit userland on a 64-bit kernel working?
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| 23:40 | <johnny> huh? non-linux32 ?
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| 23:40 | this is as if your entire system.. except the kernel was 32bit
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| 23:41 | without using crossdev either..
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| 23:44 | <johnny> http://gryniewicz.com/blogs/dang/2008/12/19/32bit-userland-on-gentoo-amd64/
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| 23:44 | Ryan52, the best thing about gentoo folks doing this stuff
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| 23:44 | is that it weeds out issues in all sorts of packages
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| 23:44 | exposes many portability issues
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| 23:45 | <Ryan52> ya
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| 23:45 | <johnny> if you wanted to learn the deep secrets of autotools and elf structures
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| 23:46 | i have a blog for ya .. :)
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| 23:46 | and linking in general
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| 23:46 | he's one of those guys who is always having issues with people who link their own versions of system software
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| 23:46 | <Ryan52> sounds scary :)
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| 23:47 | <johnny> well.. if you're the kind of person who wants to be down in the bare metal of what makes your gnu system work.. you need to know that stuff
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| 23:48 | <Ryan52> okay, what is it?
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| 23:48 | <johnny> http://blog.flameeyes.eu/
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| 23:52 | <kc8pxy> Ryan52: i have an issue with fg + my 4-yr-old.
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| 23:53 | <Ryan52> kc8pxy: ?
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| 23:53 | <kc8pxy> i have to bring home bits from recycling so he has THAT to work on, instead of giving the recycling treatment to anything he can find with screws and wires.
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| 23:53 | <Ryan52> heh
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| 23:54 | <kc8pxy> johnny: you ever been to a freegeek??:)
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| 23:54 | <johnny> a free geek?
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| 23:54 | i've been to the portland freegeek
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| 23:54 | i met ryan and vagrantc
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| 23:55 | and warren and sbalnaev, and ogra
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| 23:55 | i was in portland for 10 days
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| 23:55 | i also went to the xmpp summit
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| 23:55 | and just generally had a swell time
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| 23:59 | <kc8pxy> kk
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