IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 31 December 2006 (all times are UTC)
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| 01:06 | <JdGordon> I think I have my lstp server set up correctly, but I have my router for dhcp and dont want to use the ltsp for it. Can someone point me to how to get it to boot once it gets an ip from the router?
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| 05:23 | <the_5th_wheel> has anyonbe had issues with the student control panel when trying to open applicatrions on many clients?
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| 05:23 | clients
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| 05:46 | <edd_> does anyone know of an alternative to the student control panel? since it start multiple instances of the application
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| 07:08 | <Enrico204> hi people
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| 07:46 | <W^^harddd> hi ! i have to discuss some issues regarding USB mouting
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| 07:46 | mounting *
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| 10:01 | <mb4me> is it possible to have 2 usb printers to a ws?
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| 10:33 | <jammcq> mb4me: it's possible to have upto 3 printers of any kind on ltsp
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| 10:55 | <mb4me> ok, anything else than port 9101 on the second printer?
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| 10:56 | i used x's printer tool and added the second printer but no output when i try the test-print
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| 13:10 | <PMantis> Hey guys
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| 13:11 | <jammcq> hey PMantis
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| 13:11 | <PMantis> jammcq, I need to write a (perl?) program to telnet into Asterisk Manager, login, and listed for events, then UDP broadcast them to the network... any pointers?
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| 13:11 | errr s/listed/listen/
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| 13:13 | * jammcq thinks there's already hooks in Asterisk for that sort of thing | |
| 13:13 | * PMantis not sure where to begin... but I think this would be a good opportunity to learn more perl. | |
| 13:13 | <jammcq> using the telnet protocol would be kind of a backwards way of doing it
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| 13:14 | <PMantis> I don't think that kind of support is there. the Management interface is for this sort of thing... which you telnet into, then if events are turned on, you get blasted every event that occurs.
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| 13:14 | It would be better to broadcast this information to the network, than to have 30 telnet sessions all requesting the same information.
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| 13:14 | <jammcq> I dissagree
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| 13:15 | the management interface is just a client program that uses the same API that you can use to write other clients to talk to the asterisk engine
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| 13:15 | <PMantis> Oh, you disagree to the "support" comment.
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| 13:16 | <jammcq> yes
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| 13:16 | <PMantis> AFAIK, it's built into *
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| 13:16 | Hmmm, perhaps I've looked at it wrong.
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| 13:16 | I'll have to ask in #asterisk.
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| 13:16 | <jammcq> yeah, but I think the API is there, and there are hooks there to trigger things for you
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| 13:17 | it's common to do Perl things in Asterisk
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| 13:18 | certainly you could do it with Perl watching the mgmt interface, but then you are screen-scraping the data on the screen, and it becomes very brittle
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| 13:20 | <PMantis> Sure,, AGI can use perl
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| 13:20 | <jammcq> AGI ?
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| 13:20 | <PMantis> Asterisk Gateway Interface.
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| 13:20 | <jammcq> ah
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| 13:20 | <PMantis> Like CGI, but for the * dialplan
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| 13:21 | <jammcq> oh, to construct dial plan rules on the fly ?
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| 13:21 | what kind of events are you interested in catching?
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| 13:22 | <PMantis> Not *quite*, but to shell to perl from the dialplan, and with an AGI->blah, you can control the channel from within your native language... perl being a great example.
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| 13:22 | The events I need are things like dial, ring.
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| 13:23 | Want to have a client program that installs on each computer, and displays the state of the phone that's in the same cubicle.
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| 13:23 | Such as play a "ring" wav file when the phone rings... client is used to that with the phone system that's being replaced.
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| 13:24 | <jammcq> hmm
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| 16:14 | <tomcats> has anyone used ltsp over leased bandwith?
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| 16:20 | * vagrantc modularized the debian ltsp init scripts! | |
| 16:24 | <tomcats> vagrantc: u there?
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| 16:25 | <vagrantc> sure.
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| 16:25 | <tomcats> vagrantc: a while back I was having trouble setting up a call center based on ltsp and thin clients...
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| 16:26 | the project went well, they have been running for 3 months now and no problems
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| 16:27 | <tomcats> at the end we decided to have everything run locally kind of what muekow does
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| 16:28 | so basically the server is really just a nfs, nis server
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| 16:29 | <jammcq> for a call center, that's a good way to go
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| 16:29 | <vagrantc> muekow doesn't run everything locally by default
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| 16:29 | but it's easier to do that LTSP 4.x
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| 16:29 | er, easier to do with muekow than older LTSP versions
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| 16:30 | <tomcats> yes indeed
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| 16:30 | <vagrantc> pwd
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| 16:30 | tomcats: so ... you want to switch to LTSP 5.0/muekow or what? :)
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| 16:30 | <tomcats> now what we are trying to figure out is if we could colocate the servers (asterisk + app) in our datacenter..
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| 16:31 | this way other people could use the spare cycles of both the cervers and the end-user would have nothing to break...
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| 16:32 | <vagrantc> how do you propose to use these "spare cycles" ?
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| 16:33 | <tomcats> the only way we think we could do this reliably is with leased bandwith, but we never seen a machine boot PXE over HDLC or PPP..
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| 16:33 | * vagrantc doesn't have any experience doing that | |
| 16:33 | <tomcats> vagrantc: I mean the servers and architecture is scalable, meaning other call-centers could run using the same hardware for less$$
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| 16:33 | <jammcq> are you talking about putting the clients in a rack somewhere?
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| 16:33 | <tomcats> jammcq: yes
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| 16:34 | <jammcq> but the monitor, keyboard, mouse and headset would need to be where the user is sitting. How would you connect those things up to a server colocated ?
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| 16:35 | <tomcats> jammcq: sorry, servers --> datacenter clients --> call-center
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| 16:36 | <vagrantc> tomcats: you're going to have a really hard time not having some sort of basic server at each call center.
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| 16:36 | <jammcq> well, keep in mind, if you run the apps locally, you'll be doing a whole lot more NFS traffic. Separating the clients from the servers by a low-speed connection will cause the apps to load VERY slowely
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| 16:38 | <tomcats> jammcq: the idea is to have everything run locally so yes it would take some time to load but from there it should be quick, the only traffic would be g729 voice (~10k/s) and say... a web based CRM...
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| 16:39 | vagrantc: why hard time?
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| 16:39 | <vagrantc> tomcats: i suspect it will be totally unworkable.
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| 16:39 | tomcats: NFS eats a lot of bandwidth, at least when you're talking non-ethernet.
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| 16:40 | tomcats: the startup times may be so slow as to be unuseable- quite possibly getting NFS timeouts.
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| 16:41 | tomcats: but feel free to prove us wrong. :P
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| 16:42 | <tomcats> vagrantc: nfs is not really needed after boot time... and PXE would load the main fs
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| 16:43 | <jammcq> no
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| 16:43 | PXE loads the kernel and a very small initramfs
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| 16:43 | unless you've created some massive initramfs
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| 16:43 | <tomcats> bingo
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| 16:43 | <jammcq> how big is your initramfs ?
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| 16:44 | <vagrantc> you probably want something like PXES or something, for that.
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| 16:46 | <cliebowdude> glad i got the e in at the end
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| 16:46 | <jammcq> cliebowdude: you dipping into the champaigne a bit early?
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| 16:46 | <cliebowdude> no havnt at all//maybe that is the prob
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| 16:47 | <cliebow_> v
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| 16:47 | <tomcats> i think that 64 mb should be enough to load a basic window manager, firefox and softphone
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| 16:47 | <jammcq> tomcats: umm, good luck
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| 16:47 | it *might* be possible
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| 16:47 | <cliebow_> tomcats:in muekow or 4.2
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| 16:48 | * vagrantc remains skeptical | |
| 16:48 | * vagrantc suspects neither | |
| 16:48 | <jammcq> well, some of the coolest things out there are a result of someone saying it can't be done
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| 16:48 | <cliebow_> yeah..take me for instance
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| 16:48 | <tomcats> it can't be impossible...
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| 16:50 | plus the cost of bandwith vs. an IT department should be substancial...
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| 16:50 | <vagrantc> tomcats: when you've said 64MB, unless you have very loose interpretations of wha firefox is, it very well might be impossible.
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| 16:50 | but no use convincing the skeptic with words :P
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| 16:51 | <jammcq> well, firefox 1.5 on my server takes 30mb
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| 16:51 | * vagrantc will continue to do work and not discuss theories about what is and isn't possible. | |
| 16:51 | <jammcq> although the current LTSP-4.2 tree is about 120mb
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| 16:51 | and that's without firefox
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| 16:52 | <vagrantc> right.
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| 16:52 | <tomcats> devonit does it qith 128 DOM module and 256 of ram...
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| 16:52 | <jammcq> there's alot of stuff in the ltsp tree that wouldn't be needed
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| 16:52 | <vagrantc> i think PXES had images aroung 70MB, without anything running locally.
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| 16:52 | other than X
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| 16:53 | <tomcats> isn't dsl smaller than 50mb?
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| 16:53 | <jammcq> does that include X ?
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| 16:53 | <vagrantc> yes.
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| 16:54 | but not firefox, i don't think.
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| 16:54 | they use a lot of hacks and really old software, though.
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| 16:54 | <cliebow_> dillo?
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| 16:55 | <tomcats> vagrantc: yes,according to webpage DSL includes firefox
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| 16:55 | <vagrantc> well i'll be.
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| 16:55 | <tomcats> lol
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| 16:56 | <vagrantc> tomcats: have at it
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| 16:56 | tomcats: probably your best bet is to just serve up DSL images or something.
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| 16:56 | <vagrantc> i wouldn't want to take all the time to re-implement the hacks they've done.
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| 16:57 | <tomcats> you are right that was kind of the lead we were loking at, there is also several hacks of knoppix that could work as a base
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| 16:58 | <tomcats> take for example what they did for mythtv, knopmyth i think...
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| 17:22 | <cliebow> morniongs
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| 18:46 | <cliebow> jammcq:know anything o\f sourcemage?
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| 18:46 | <jammcq> never heard of it
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| 18:46 | <cliebow> these melug guys are all fired up abut it..makes gentoo look like a windows install
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| 18:47 | <jammcq> umm, is that supposed to be a good thing?
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| 18:47 | <cliebow> im going down to se them on Saturday..see if they arer interested in muekow
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| 18:47 | <jammcq> we've already got dberkholz working on that
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| 18:47 | if they are interested, they should coordinate with him
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| 18:48 | * vagrantc puts a sticker on the bicycle "I HEART pre-built binaries" | |
| 18:48 | <cliebow> this is even barer metal then gentoo..but semm to be some talented people working on sourcemage
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| 18:48 | here
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| 18:49 | <vagrantc> basically, the portage equivalent is written in shell instead of python.
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| 18:49 | <cliebow> vagrantc:you mean in gentoo?
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| 18:49 | <vagrantc> cliebow: no, in sourcemage.
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| 18:49 | <cliebow> ahhh
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| 18:49 | <vagrantc> cliebow: in gentoo the package manager is written in python, i think. in sourcemage, i think it's shell.
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| 18:49 | <cliebow> keeping talking about casting this..casting that
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| 18:50 | time to get another hard drive for the lappie
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| 18:50 | <vagrantc> i remember trying to read documentation for sourcemage a few years back, and i was convinced they were trying to make it harder to use by developing an elaborate spellcasting analogy :)
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| 18:51 | at least they didn't write all the commands in latin or something.
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| 18:51 | <cliebow> well should be interesting..they dont seem to know squat about ltsp
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| 18:52 | vagrantc:Haaa..i see what you mena
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| 18:56 | * vagrantc is disappointed that google translations doesn't do latin | |
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| 19:32 | <FaithX> what time is it pacific time right now?
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| 19:32 | <jammcq> umm
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| 19:32 | like in California ? it would be 5:30pm
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| 19:32 | he's 8:30 Eastern Standard Time
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| 19:33 | <FaithX> Yikes you are far behind us
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| 19:33 | <jammcq> heh
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| 19:33 | it's like 10:30 in the morning for you?
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| 19:35 | <FaithX> mid day
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| 19:35 | next year even!
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| 19:36 | btw how are you and yours?
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| 19:36 | jammcq: are you cst?
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| 19:36 | what time is it... I can look up the TV program in any region.
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| 19:37 | <jammcq> i'm EST
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| 19:37 | I'm doing great here, things are going quite well
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| 19:37 | how's everything doing for you ?
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| 19:37 | it's 8:35pm, btw
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| 19:38 | <FaithX> Oh ok the show starts at 10pm your time
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| 19:38 | <jammcq> show?
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| 19:39 | <FaithX> Satellite TV...
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| 19:39 | One Night with the King
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| 19:39 | Story of Esther
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| 19:41 | We are doing fine... all eight of us.
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| 19:41 | <jammcq> heh
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| 19:41 | that's great
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| 19:42 | <FaithX> frustrated trying to chan_bluetooth working on my asterisk box
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| 19:42 | the 1 year old is a hand full
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| 19:42 | <jammcq> i'll bet
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| 19:43 | <FaithX> empties your wallet on the floor .... takes off with your cell phone... you name it she's in it... her husband will need to stash his wallet if she's like this an 1 yo.
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| 19:44 | <jammcq> husband... that's a scary thought :)
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| 19:45 | <FaithX> Well it's going to happen... we'll be pushing up daisies soon enough... so be sure to be hitting the mark today.
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| 19:46 | I always endeavor to be thinking 20 years in the future.
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| 19:46 | <cliebow> i plan to push up sea urchins here
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| 19:46 | <jammcq> old man and the sea
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| 19:47 | <cliebow> "old guy" and the puddle
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| 19:50 | cant take credit for sea..but i can do puddle
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| 20:57 | <dberkholz> vagrantc: random factoid, gentoo started out with pure shell, now it's a python/shell hybrid
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| 20:57 | i haven't heard good things about sourcemage, but i'm always open to ideas.
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| 20:59 | <cliebow> ddberkholz:trying to get a fell for where these guys get their jollies with smglk
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| 21:06 | <cliebow> mistik1:gona be a reat new year for you 8~)
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