IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 10 August 2012 (all times are UTC)
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| 12:42 | <WITRChris> so how important is a graphics card in an LTSP server?
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| 12:42 | if I'm looking to set up a set of about ~30 nodes, should I go for a workstation-level graphics card?
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| 12:42 | the nodes will all be mostly running the same software
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| 12:42 | <muppis_N900> Well, just to get a machine to boot. :)
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| 12:43 | <WITRChris> for the server, i should add.
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| 12:44 | <muppis> Workstations/clients graphics is more importanta.
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| 12:44 | -a
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| 12:49 | <WITRChris> hm really?
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| 12:49 | so the server doesn't render the graphics on its GPU or anything (that's what i expected)
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| 12:50 | <elias_a> It does not work that way.
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| 12:52 | <muppis> So, if you need GPU for the software, afaik, you need to run it locally in client.
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| 12:53 | <WITRChris> ok
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| 12:53 | so we have software that requires NVIDIA openGL libraries (don't ask)
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| 12:53 | so I wonder if we need to run that locally...
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| 12:54 | <muppis> Most likely.
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| 13:04 | <||cw> well, all graphics will render locally, but very little has the ability to use client acceleration for a process running on the server
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| 13:05 | if you're using 3d graphic stuff, you'll probably want thick clients
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| 17:27 | <bieb> Anyone here familiar with Centrify for AD connectivity? I have ubuntu 10.10 working with centrify, I can login to the server with AD credentials, but when I try those same credentials from a thin client it fails with userID not found.
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| 17:42 | <mesutcan> hello
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| 17:42 | i have some questions about ltsp
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| 17:42 | i have a server which has 3GB ram
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| 17:42 | there are 10 thin clients
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| 17:43 | can we run KDE on that clients
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| 17:43 | KDE 4.8
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| 17:43 | and also clients may run a browser and an office program
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| 17:43 | or should i choose another Desktop Environment?
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| 17:44 | <dead_inside> thats not very much ram, i would recommend something more lightweight like xfce
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| 17:47 | <mesutcan> hm, xfce or lxde?
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| 17:47 | which one is better or stable?
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| 17:47 | that clients must be stable
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| 17:50 | <dead_inside> i have not played with lxde so i can not compare the two
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| 17:51 | but i have used xfce before and its stable enough for production environments
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| 17:55 | <mesutcan> how much ram uses xfce?
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| 17:55 | also i'm using smem to check who uses how much mem
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| 17:55 | which information is right i'm not quite sure
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| 18:02 | <dead_inside> top usually does a good job
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| 18:03 | really it depends on the end user, and how much crap they have open at one time
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| 18:03 | <mesutcan> i will optimize the system
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| 18:04 | they can open a browser and a office suite
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| 18:07 | <mesutcan> nothing more
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| 18:07 | i wonder with a browser and xfce how much memory uses
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| 18:07 | more than 300?
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| 18:08 | and which browser should i prefer?
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| 18:08 | with xfce is midori OK?
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| 18:08 | and a office suite
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| 18:08 | any other possibilities than libreoffice
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| 19:24 | <Enslaver> Anyone here a developer for the LTSP project on EL6?
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| 19:25 | * vagrantc doubts it | |
| 19:26 | <Enslaver> Where would they be?
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| 19:26 | <vagrantc> lost to time, it seems
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| 19:26 | haven't seen much activity from the fedora/redhat crowd lately :(
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| 19:26 | <Enslaver> Thats what i'm here to talk about
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| 19:27 | I'd like to take it over if its dead
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| 19:27 | <vagrantc> ah, cool!
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| 19:27 | <Enslaver> I'm the main LTSP developer for my company running over 100 thin clients on EL6 using LTSP 5
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| 19:27 | <vagrantc> i mean, i'm partial to debian, and ubuntu's pretty active, and opensuse has their kiwi-ltsp thing ... but theere was a time where we had a really healthy cross-distro community
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| 19:28 | <Enslaver> I see the cross distro support, getting more and more incorporated as i download the daily trunks since 2010 but it seems EL6 development fell off around then
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| 19:29 | 8/12/2011 was the last update from k12linux on fedorahosted
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| 19:29 | <vagrantc> yeah, i know warren togami has been working on other things and wanted more help from the community at large
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| 19:30 | <Enslaver> If you can get me in touch with the right people I can pick up where they left off, i've already been able to get sound, remote/local apps, usb and scanning working on EL6
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| 19:30 | <vagrantc> Enslaver: i'd recommend subscribing and posting to ltsp-discuss@lists.sourceforge.net about your interest
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| 19:32 | i don't really know fedora or redhat communities well- the only one i knew was warren togami and he was pretty frustrated with the situation
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| 19:32 | but there are lots of people in the community who are interested- so if there's someone too tackle the work, great :)
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| 19:32 | <Enslaver> Do you have a contact for him?
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| 19:32 | <bieb> Anyone here familiar with Centrify for AD connectivity? I have ubuntu 10.10 working with centrify, I can login to the server with AD credentials, but when I try those same credentials from a thin client it fails with userID not found.
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| 19:32 | <Enslaver> if not i can google him im sure
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| 19:33 | <vagrantc> Enslaver: he should be pretty findable, i'm guessing
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| 19:33 | <Enslaver> yah just found him
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| 19:33 | first@last.com email, lmao
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| 19:34 | <vagrantc> anyways, gotta run, hope to hear more later :)
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| 19:34 | <Enslaver> For sure thanks for your help
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| 20:11 | <bieb> anyone using Centrify to connect to Active Directory??
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| 20:15 | <mikec> In the ltsp cluster environment, is there usually a common reason why a log in attempt results in "No response from server, restarting"?
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| 20:22 | <||cw> firewall, routing, dns, services locked up
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| 20:22 | <dead_inside> mikec usualy your ssh keys are wrong
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| 20:26 | <markit> mesutcan: I use kde, my considerations are: a) in Thin client setup, if one runs a program the memory is occupied only once for the code, the rest is data, so if you run firefox on kde or xfce the problem is the same
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| 20:26 | b) memory is cheap, expand it to a reasonable amount of ram!
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| 20:27 | d) expand client's ram and set it up as Fat client, so if you add more (fat) clients it scales up well
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| 20:27 | c) I've missed c :)
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| 20:27 | <muppis> :D
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| 20:27 | <markit> wife's calling, brb
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| 20:38 | <mesutcan> markit, yes, but we tried to run 5 clients on that server and it ran out of memory
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| 20:39 | unfortunately we can't expand ram amount
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| 20:39 | for servers
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| 20:39 | and clients
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| 20:41 | markit, did i understand correctly? A firefox is occupying the memory and every client uses them?
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| 20:41 | for my scenario it didn't work since 5 client can use 3gigabyte ram
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| 20:44 | <markit> mesutcan: the program code is loaded only once, the memory it allocates for user's data no, of course, as far as I understand
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| 20:44 | or at least libraries are shared
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| 20:44 | I mean, you can't cound how much ram a single user uses, and then multiply for the number or users
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| 20:45 | I think kde occupies 1GB of ram, let's put each user uses 200MB -> 3GB
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| 20:46 | <markit> I think that lxde occupes less, let's say 500MB
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| 20:46 | but you save ONLY 500MB
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| 20:46 | not 500 x 10
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| 20:47 | mesutcan: in short, you have no alternative than reduce the clients or add ram
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| 21:08 | <mesutcan> markit, hm, i will think about that
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