IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 2 October 2015 (all times are UTC)
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| 01:28 | <djohnston> jammcq, are you here?
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| 01:28 | <jammcq> hey hey
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| 01:28 | <djohnston> How are you?
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| 01:28 | <jammcq> good
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| 01:28 | am I picking you up in portland?
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| 05:26 | <cyberorg> alkisg, hi, there is no .gnome2/keyring, we got it in .local/share/keyring
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| 05:26 | couldn't duplicate the issue
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| 05:26 | <alkisg> cyberorg: that's the same here in newer versions
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| 05:26 | It still happens
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| 05:26 | !vnc-dide
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| 05:26 | <ltsp> vnc-dide: To share your screen with me, run this: sudo apt-get --yes install x11vnc; x11vnc -connect srv1-dide.ioa.sch.gr - this is a reverse connection, it doesn't need port forwarding etc.
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| 05:27 | <alkisg> cyberorg: can I have a look?
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| 05:32 | cyberorg: now we just need something to access the keyrings
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| 05:32 | <cyberorg> whats the tool called?
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| 05:32 | * alkisg checks locally... | |
| 05:33 | <alkisg> cyberorg: seahorse
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| 05:33 | cyberorg: I lost the vnc access
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| 05:33 | <cyberorg> hold on
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| 05:34 | <alkisg> Anything would do, e.g. if you have stored passwords in firefox, chrome, thunderbird...
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| 05:35 | cyberorg: feel free to Ctrl+C the daemon :)
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| 05:36 | <alkisg> If you leave it running, it pauses at 65001 files
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| 05:36 | But the next time it continues
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| 05:36 | <cyberorg> so everyones got that bug
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| 05:37 | <alkisg> After about gnome 3.10, yes
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| 05:37 | So I think I did the right thing to chmod -x it for all distros
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| 05:38 | If you could comment on the upstream bug report, I think it could gain some traction...
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| 05:38 | <cyberorg> this affect thin as well as fat clients?
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| 05:39 | <alkisg> If they ever use gnome-keyring-daemon, yes
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| 05:39 | E.g. if they use localapps firefox
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| 05:39 | <cyberorg> how do you -x when using thin client
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| 05:39 | <alkisg> It happens on init-ltsp.d
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| 05:39 | Ah, not on the server
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| 05:39 | It's only via sshfs
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| 05:39 | I.e. for localapps firefox, not server-side firefox
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| 05:40 | <cyberorg> ok
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| 05:49 | alkisg, as you can see i've moved on to xfce, gnome really sucks
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| 05:55 | <alkisg> +1000!!!!
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| 05:55 | At a time, KDE was default for debian
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| 05:55 | I wish then Ubuntu would select it as its default, it would have made things different
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| 05:56 | We're still defaulting to gnome-flashback here
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| 05:56 | (at Greek schools)
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| 08:08 | <maldridge> kde on debian was neat, I think though that they should have gone with xfce instead of gnome as the default
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| 08:15 | <alkisg> xfce is a DE without its own widgets library
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| 08:15 | I don't think it's a good choice, it would die without gnome
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| 08:16 | I mean, it might be an excellent choice for users, but not for distribution defaults
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| 08:18 | <maldridge> ionno, at this point do you think it would die if gnome died? I think there's enough people out there to take over the gtk if need be
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| 08:19 | <alkisg> It's not just gtk, it's all the daemons etc
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| 08:20 | It might take it over like mate did, but I don't think it would really continue its development
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| 08:21 | E.g. check digia for the qt equivalent, how many people it needs to support it
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| 08:21 | vs how many devs xfce has
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| 08:21 | <maldridge> fair, I went all the way over to the wm camp because I got tired of gnome/systemd eating everything
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| 08:22 | <alkisg> I don't mind if they do as long as they do it properly
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| 08:23 | It's very tiresome having to support all those different init systems and DEs etc
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| 08:23 | <maldridge> I mind just since the current path involves dropping architectures, I'm still attatched to the power5 architecture
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| 08:23 | <alkisg> systemd relies on linux specific features, right? So linux doesn't run on power5?
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| 08:24 | <maldridge> linux does, but lots of systemd isn't being cross-compiled
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| 08:24 | <alkisg> That would be a distribution specific thing, right?
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| 08:24 | (compilation, architectures...)
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| 08:24 | <maldridge> you would think...
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| 08:25 | I suspect it has to do with the effort of supporting another architecture, power5 has AltiVec for math, which requires some consideration to ensure you don't take a performance hit
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| 08:27 | there are some distros that attempt to still cross-compile everything, but its not nearly as stable as it should be; doesn't matter that much, I can still run the systems I need to its more an annoyance that I can't keep upgrading my powerbook g4 with the same distro
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| 08:50 | <Hyperbyte> o hi wats going on?
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| 08:51 | <alkisg> Hyperbyte: we're stopping i386 and amd64 support, from now on LTSP will only support powerbooks and amigas
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| 08:52 | <Hyperbyte> That's good, because I actually still have an Amiga 500 sitting behind me.
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| 08:53 | Only 7mhz and 720kb ram though and no network. Will that be a problem?
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| 08:53 | <alkisg> No not at all, we'll use it in the good old sense of x terminals
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| 08:54 | I.e. serial line connections :)
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| 08:55 | <Hyperbyte> Nice, it has a serial port.
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| 08:57 | <Hyperbyte> Amiga 500's rock.
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| 08:58 | <maldridge> lol, now that would be fantastic
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| 08:59 | wonder if there's any software out there to drive a classic X-terminal lab
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| 10:01 | <santhoz> Hello
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| 10:02 | <muppis> Hello.
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| 10:03 | <quinox> ...hi
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| 10:04 | <alkisg> We are extremely rude, this nice naked blonde girl walked in, said Hello, and noone talked to her for one full minute...
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| 10:04 | <quinox> shame on us
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| 10:05 | <muppis> If blondies are not my type?
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| 10:29 | <Hyperbyte> muppis, you take one for the team.
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| 10:40 | <muppis> Always for the team.
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| 11:02 | <vmlintu> Workbench would probably make quite snappy desktop..
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| 11:04 | <gvy> alkisg, well someone went private obv'ly and they'll have a release some day
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| 17:22 | <lbssousa> work_alkisg, Phantomas: I've found a problem when I configure Epoptes to grab user input while assisting it.
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| 17:23 | Terminal windows are always out of focus, and I can't drag windows inside VNC screen.
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| 17:24 | It's very likely to be a bug in x11vnc when -grabptr option is passed.
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| 17:24 | <Phantomas> lbssousa: yep, most probably
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| 17:26 | lbssousa: Did you see that happening for the first time?
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| 17:27 | I mean, is it something new or was it like this since we introduced using of the -grabptr option?
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| 17:27 | <lbssousa> I'm not sure... TBH, I've never needed to drag windows before. I can work around this problem by disabling local keyboard in a similar fashion I'm doing to stop local mouse movement https://code.launchpad.net/~oiteam/epoptes/lock-pointer
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| 17:28 | <lbssousa> Ops!
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| 17:29 | It's not -grabptr. I mean -grabkbd.
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| 17:30 | Repeat, -grabkbd is the guilty.
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| 17:30 | <Phantomas> lbssousa: ok, will test it.
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| 17:31 | <lbssousa> I've observed it for the first time when I'm trying Epoptes server on Arch Linux (my clients run Jessie).
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| 17:32 | Now I've returned to Jessie in my server, but the problem persists.
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| 17:36 | <Phantomas> lbssousa: Have you ever noticed a crash with Epoptes?
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| 17:37 | <lbssousa> Nope.
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| 17:39 | <Phantomas> ok, seems that there are occasionally some crashes for some users, so I'm focusing on fixing their causes right now. Regarding the vnc stuff, I'm actually thinking of implementing our own vnc server and client instead of using x11vnc/xvnc4viewer/etc
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| 17:40 | <Phantomas> but until then, we surely should check the mouse/keyboard grabbing problems
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| 17:46 | <lbssousa> Phantomas: OK. Meanwhile I'll open an issue in https://github.com/LibVNC/x11vnc.
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| 17:46 | <Phantomas> lbssousa: that'd be great. Thanks
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| 18:14 | <alkisg> lbssousa: I think that if some features cause instability, they should at least be opt-in, not defaults, right?
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| 18:14 | I.e. enabled only after the user selects them from some configuration
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| 18:20 | <lbssousa> alkisg: sure, but it's already opt-in. There's a "hidden" option in ~/.config/epoptes/settings called "grabkbdptr" to handle this.
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| 18:21 | Currently there's no way to set it in Epoptes GUI, however.
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| 18:21 | <alkisg> Good enough for me, as long as it's unstable :)
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| 18:34 | <alkisg> lbssousa: errr... epoptes runs on arch linux?!
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| 18:56 | <lbssousa> work_alkisg: yes. I'm helping a guy called Angel Caido to write a PKGBUILD. See https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/epoptes-bzr
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| 19:04 | <max> hallo
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| 19:04 | <Guest35713> hi people
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| 22:44 | <webcamhelp> good day, have a query about using a webcam with ltsp
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| 22:45 | Is it possible to use a webcam on an ltsp client?
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| 22:46 | Trying to get this working with a logitech USB webcam, webcam works well with the server, but I can't seem to access it on a client/
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| 22:58 | <Hyperbyte> It won't work out of the box. LTSP only works with USB filesystems, like USB optical drives, harddisks or sticks.
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| 22:58 | Which doesn't mean what you want to do isn't possible, it's just going to require someone with intimate LTSP knowledge to see how.
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| 22:59 | <Hyperbyte> AND STAY OUT.
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| 22:59 | :-/
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