IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 29 January 2010 (all times are UTC)
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| 08:55 | <jammcq> sbalneav: Scotty !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 09:00 | <sbalneav> Morning jammcq!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 09:00 | <jammcq> sbalneav: how cold is it today?
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| 09:06 | <sbalneav> -22C here
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| 09:06 | <jammcq> what's that in American ?
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| 09:06 | it's 9F here
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| 09:06 | only slightly colder there
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| 09:07 | <sbalneav> (-22) degrees Celsius = -7.6 degrees Fahrenheit
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| 09:07 | According to gooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooogle
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| 09:07 | <jammcq> oh
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| 09:07 | I missed the '-'
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| 09:07 | so, it's a bit colder where you are
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| 09:08 | <sbalneav> Mite nipply, yes. :)
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| 09:08 | <jammcq> Marlon's in Manaus, it's 30C there right now
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| 09:10 | <sbalneav> Betcha they have Brahma there :)
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| 09:14 | <jcastro> hi guys
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| 09:17 | <alincoln> hi jcastro
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| 09:17 | <jammcq> jcastro: hey
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| 09:17 | <jcastro> jammcq: I am doing LTSP over AC power.
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| 09:18 | <jammcq> oh cool
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| 09:18 | careful you don't fry yourself
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| 09:18 | <etyack> jcastro: cool
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| 09:18 | <jcastro> it's pretty decent, 200mbits-ish
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| 09:24 | <BF-Pod> hi
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| 09:25 | <sbalneav> Hello
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| 09:25 | <BF-Pod> ah, just checking I can speak now
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| 09:25 | <Lumiere> hi
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| 09:26 | unfortunately, due to the CTCP spam that freenode is having
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| 09:26 | I added the "unidentified users cannot speak" flag to this channel
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| 09:26 | btw... hi jammcq, etyack, sbalneav
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| 09:27 | <etyack> howdy Lumiere
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| 09:28 | <alincoln> case in point?
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| 09:28 | <Lumiere> yea
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| 09:29 | <jammcq> Lumiere: seems rather unfriendly to first timers coming here for help
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| 09:29 | <Lumiere> they're not smart bots
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| 09:29 | jammcq: with any luck
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| 09:29 | in 2 days we won't need it with the move to the new ircd
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| 09:29 | but for now
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| 09:29 | <jammcq> k, I guess
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| 09:29 | <Lumiere> they're spamming trojan horses to people
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| 09:29 | which turns them into spammers
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| 09:29 | <jcastro> jammcq: every channels' been getting pretty hammered. :-/
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| 09:30 | <jammcq> I dont' recall #ltsp getting spams
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| 09:30 | but, I haven't been around much lately
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| 09:30 | <Lumiere> it got em overnight
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| 09:30 | about 10 times
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| 09:30 | in 4 hours
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| 09:31 | <jcastro> it's been a problem all week
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| 09:31 | <Lumiere> 0007,0011,0542,0543,0722,0723,1137,1300,1334,1509,1829,
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| 09:31 | <etyack> i've seen it even longer, almost the entire month
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| 09:31 | not always in #ltsp
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| 09:32 | <Lumiere> etyack: yea, but #ltsp got targeted yesterday
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| 09:32 | I passed on the suggestion to add +r
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| 09:32 | which blocks them from joining
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| 09:41 | <BF-Pod> is is possible to mount the root path on a client in writable mode?
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| 09:47 | <sbalneav> Using what, NFS root?
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| 09:48 | With nbd root, it'd be impossible
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| 09:48 | with nfs root, it'd be possible, but if you've got more than one client, it'd be a disaster.
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| 09:49 | <sbalneav> since multiple clients would be tromping all over each other.
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| 09:50 | <guaka> hi, some client machines aren't booting anymore, they get to "Loading initrd.img.........ready" (with some more dots of course)
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| 09:51 | <sbalneav> guaka: either a networking, dhcp, or tftp problem
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| 09:51 | <BF-Pod> I'm trying to compile the nvidia driver, which I thought may be necessary to run on the client
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| 09:53 | <guaka> sbalneav, dnsmasq seems to be running fine, I do find "tftp: client does not accept options" in daemon.log but that doesn't seem to be a problem (according to some posts I found through google)
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| 09:53 | the network is working pretty well still, but if it's some specific weird network problem, how to look for problems?
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| 09:54 | <sbalneav> Don't know. I don't know anything about dnsmasq
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| 09:54 | I always use stock tftp-hpa and dhcp3-server
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| 09:55 | <guaka> sbalneav, dnsmasq is a DHCP server that also does DNS caching, which is convenient if you want to have names for your machines
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| 09:55 | <sbalneav> I have names for my machines too. I just use bind.
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| 09:56 | <guaka> ah, dnsmasq usually requires less attention than bind..
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| 09:56 | <Lumiere> FYI -- anyone who can't talk will need to register. We're not ignoring you. See http://bit.ly/1MtZU for more information
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| 09:56 | <guaka> but DHCP seems to be allright
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| 09:57 | <sbalneav> guaka: Well, like I say, I'm not familiar with dnsmasq.
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| 09:58 | <alkisg> guaka: try to download the newest pxelinux.0 from debian
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| 09:58 | I've seen a lot of newer PCs having problem with the version that Ubuntu ships...
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| 09:58 | http://packages.debian.org/sid/all/syslinux-common/download
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| 09:59 | Just copy pxelinux.0 from that package to /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0
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| 09:59 | A bug has been filed for Ubuntu to update to a newer version, but it hasn't been solved yet.... :-/
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| 10:00 | <sbalneav> bbiab
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| 10:00 | <guaka> ah, ok, I'll try that... in fact, the problem only appeared recently, I don't think anything has changed, and only on one specific type of machine, it seems now (I had to wait till someone left)
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| 10:01 | <alkisg> I've seen e.g. PCs booting once out of 10 with syslinux 2:3.63+dfsg-2ubuntu3, and 10 out of 10 with the debian version.
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| 10:10 | <guaka> hmm, with the debian pxelinux.0 it gets stuck right after "Trying to load: pxelinux.cfg/default", that's slightly worse than getting stuck after "Loading initrd.....ready" :/
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| 10:11 | or do I need to kick or push something before it likes another pxelinux.0?
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| 10:54 | <BF-Pod> If I enable Xinerama, should there be a mention of it in /var/log/Xorg.7.log ?
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| 11:11 | <grantk> I hope I do not repeat myself here, but I believe registration blocked me before. I was looking for documentation on ldm load balancing. I noticed in the LTSPManual.pdf that section 21.5 is missing a reference to somewhere, it just shows "See for details.". I think it should say see Chapter 23 but I am not sure.
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| 11:11 | Anyway I wanted to ask if anyone has seen any other documentation on ldm load balancing?
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| 12:55 | <rjune> Gadi, You know who resara is, yes?
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| 12:57 | <Gadi> rjune: they are a company not a person, and sure do
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| 13:01 | <sbalneav> Afternoon Gadi
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| 13:02 | <Gadi> cheers, scotty
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| 13:02 | are you a scotticicle today?
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| 13:04 | <sbalneav> It's -7.9 F here today
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| 13:04 | Or -22 in proper units :) So yeah, it's a mite nipply here.
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| 13:04 | <jammcq> proper?
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| 13:04 | * Gadi shudders when scotty uses words like nipply | |
| 13:05 | * jammcq just giggles | |
| 13:05 | <Gadi> u and ur giggling
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| 13:05 | ;)
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| 13:05 | <ogra> shudder
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| 13:05 | <jammcq> heh heh, he said nipply, heh heh
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| 13:05 | <ogra> now i have pictures in my head for my portland flight tomorrow
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| 13:05 | thanks Gadi :P
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| 13:06 | <Gadi> oh sure, blame me
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| 13:06 | <vagrantc> ogra: it's not exactly warm here, but it's not really cold :)
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| 13:06 | <ogra> yeah, i saw something around 10°C
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| 13:07 | after a week of -10 to -15°C here that will be like spring for me :)
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| 13:08 | <Gadi> sbalneav: I told you that r124 of ltspfs-trunk works well, right?
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| 13:09 | <sbalneav> No, but good to hear. So that's two big bugs off the list.
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| 13:10 | <Gadi> vagrantc: did you fix your localdev stuff?
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| 13:10 | <sbalneav> 1) "group ownership issue" 2) "No Auth Localhost"
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| 13:10 | <Gadi> ah - the group ownership thing is upstream and tested?
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| 13:11 | * Gadi hasn't gotten there yet | |
| 13:11 | <Gadi> very cool
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| 13:14 | <vagrantc> Gadi: nope
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| 13:15 | <Gadi> vagrantc: :( it's almost *got* to be that something is not writable somewhere
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| 13:16 | <vagrantc> Gadi: can't imagine where... the same exact code works on debian lenny
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| 13:16 | Gadi: so it's got to be behavior changed in something outside of debian
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| 13:16 | Gadi: er, outside of ltspfs
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| 13:19 | Gadi: my main guess is that the udev rules fire too early
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| 13:19 | Gadi: before it's made writeable
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| 13:19 | i guess i could write some hooks in the initramfs to mount stuff earlier
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| 13:19 | <Gadi> that would make sense - but only if it works with, say, usb sticks once booted
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| 13:19 | <vagrantc> in fact, maybe mount everything in the initramfs
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| 13:20 | Gadi: well, the usb sticks work once booted
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| 13:20 | Gadi: cdpinger is still borked
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| 13:20 | i still haven't had a chance to test with real hardware, either
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| 13:20 | <Gadi> well, thats a good theory then
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| 13:21 | <ogra> vagrantc, did debian switch from hal to devkit already ?
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| 13:22 | <vagrantc> ogra: heck if i know
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| 13:22 | <ogra> i think there changed quite a lot with that switch
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| 13:22 | <vagrantc> probably ...
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| 13:22 | <ogra> 95% of the stuff is dirctly handled in udev or via libudev now
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| 13:30 | <Gadi> vagrantc: got a sec?
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| 14:05 | <vagrantc> Gadi: sort of
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| 14:26 | <Gadi> vagrantc: I think the "pgrep" line in the call_cdpinger function in ltspfs_entry needs a "-x", so that if $1=cdrom, it does not match "cdrom1", etc
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| 14:26 | similar to what is done in ltsp-init-common
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| 14:27 | <vagrantc> there's probably a significant amount of refactoring that could be done there anyways...
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| 14:30 | <Gadi> well, short of replacing some calls to "basename" and "awk", I think ltspfs_entry is actually not too terrible
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| 14:31 | now, that we got a lot of my older ugliness out of there
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| 14:36 | <vagrantc> Gadi: yeah, i'll add your commit with cdpinger.
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| 14:39 | <sbalneav> vagrantc: Need any help from a c programmer on cdpinger?
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| 14:40 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: sure!
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| 14:40 | sbalneav: though i want to get another upload of ltsp in to debian first.
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| 14:40 | <sbalneav> What's failing on it for you?
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| 14:40 | * Gadi is going to commit a cleanup of basename... | |
| 14:40 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: it just plain don't work.
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| 14:40 | sbalneav: which isn't much to go on, i know... :)
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| 14:41 | sbalneav: probably need to figure out some debugging hooks...
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| 14:41 | <sbalneav> heh, does it segfault, or just quietly sit there doing nothing?
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| 14:41 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: it runs fine, it's not not catching an insertion/removal events
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| 14:41 | or doesn't seem to be
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| 14:41 | <ogra> revert to the python version ;)
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| 14:41 | <vagrantc> heh
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| 14:41 | * sbalneav slaps ogra with a wet noodle. | |
| 14:42 | <jammcq> or rewrite in perl
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| 14:42 | <vagrantc> back in the good ol days, when we had unlimited ram to burn
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| 14:42 | * ogra pulls up some ketchup | |
| 14:42 | <vagrantc> now with the economic downturn, we have to resort to C
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| 14:43 | <ogra> well, C means you have to listen to the right kernel ioctl events
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| 14:43 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: it's something different between debian lenny/stable and debian squeeze/testing|sid/unstable
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| 14:43 | sbalneav: lenny works fine
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| 14:43 | same code
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| 14:44 | my suspicion is changes in udev handling or some such
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| 14:44 | <ogra> or the kernel
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| 14:44 | udev and kernel changes go hand in hand
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| 14:44 | <vagrantc> sure
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| 14:45 | sbalneav: i think it's been broken for a long time though... since july at least
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| 14:46 | <sbalneav> mmm
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| 14:46 | If you "start it manually", does it work?
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| 14:46 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: so figuring out some improved debugging hooks/options/etc would probably help...
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| 14:46 | <sbalneav> I can add some syslogging to it.
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| 14:47 | Sweet, sweet sysloggy goodness.
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| 14:47 | Syslog and lobsters.
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| 14:47 | That'd make a good name for a blog!
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| 14:51 | <vagrantc> syslo[gb]sters
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| 14:51 | sysglobsters
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| 14:51 | <ogra> blogsters ?
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| 14:52 | <vagrantc> --
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| 15:00 | <vagrantc> doh.
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| 15:01 | there's no CD in the drive...
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| 15:01 | so starting it manually probably won't make much difference...
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| 15:04 | sbalneav: well... after starting cdpinger manually... it noticed the insertion event... but didn't notice the removal event
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| 15:05 | <vagrantc> maybe i should run the code from ltspfs-trunk ... just in case those code cleanups helped anything
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| 15:20 | <Gadi> vagrantc: just commited a few more cleanups
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| 15:20 | and pushed
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| 15:20 | * Gadi stops mucking now... | |
| 15:20 | <Gadi> :)
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| 15:22 | <vagrantc> heh. i just noticed this patch in my debian dir... http://ltsp.pastebin.com/m2529e366
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| 15:22 | that should probably go upstream
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| 15:22 | been there since ltsp 5.1.90, i'm guessing
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| 15:37 | <Lumiere> FYI -- anyone who can't talk will need to register. We're not ignoring you. See http://bit.ly/1MtZU for more information
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| 15:37 | <vagrantc> ?
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| 17:03 | <mfdutra> hey guys. where is the hostname set in the client boot process
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| 17:03 | I'm grepping the scripts and can't find it
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| 17:04 | <vagrantc> possibly from the initramfs
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| 17:04 | sort of
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| 17:04 | <mfdutra> hmmmm
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| 17:04 | <vagrantc> depends on if dhcp sends a hostname...
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| 17:04 | <mfdutra> I have "ltsp1657" here
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| 17:04 | is there a logics?
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| 17:04 | <vagrantc> ah!
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| 17:04 | yes, that's in the initramfs for sure
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| 17:05 | <mfdutra> dhcp doesn't send it, but I wanna the hostname to set from the IP PTR record in dns
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| 17:05 | I'll write a script for that
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| 17:05 | <vagrantc> ltsp-trunk/client/initramfs/scripts/nfs-bottom/ltsp
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| 17:05 | yeah, that's the default for when dhcp doesn't send a client-hostname ...
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| 17:05 | ltspX where X is some number based on the ip address
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| 17:06 | <mfdutra> right
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| 17:07 | <vagrantc> alternately can base it on mac address
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| 17:07 | HOSTNAME_EXTRA=ip|mac
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| 17:08 | <mfdutra> yep. we have our DNS all set here
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| 17:08 | it's the IP addr in hexa notation
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| 17:08 | ex: 192.168.17.77 -> c0a8114d
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| 17:08 | <vagrantc> i don't quite know how to get dhcp to send the hostname...
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| 17:09 | <mfdutra> it's important for me to have a FQDN as hostname, because we have about 70 VLANs
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| 17:09 | <vagrantc> right
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| 17:09 | <mfdutra> and I have subdomains for each one
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| 17:10 | * vagrantc runs a network with about 15-20 terminals | |
| 17:10 | <mfdutra> a little more here :)
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| 17:11 | <vagrantc> probably wouldn't be hard to write code that just looks in DNS
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| 17:11 | <mfdutra> yup
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| 17:11 | <vagrantc> sets it to that, if anything is found... of course, DNS timeouts would stall boot
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| 17:11 | <mfdutra> 5-10 lines in python
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| 17:32 | <highvoltage> what are you guys babbling about?
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| 17:32 | (oh I should've scrolled down first :p)
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| 17:33 | <vagrantc> hmmm... i should try testing with ext2 again ... squashfs appears to hang my thin client
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| 17:33 | hmmm... getltscfg:264 blocked for more than 120 seconds....
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| 17:34 | i'm going to say this is borked.
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| 20:36 | <vagrantc> stgraber: seems like it would be a good idea to use /var/run/sendsigs.omit, /lib/init/rw/sendsigs.omit and/or /lib/init/rw/sensigs.omit.d/* for making sure nbd doesn't hang on reboot
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| 20:40 | <sbalneav> Evening vagrantc
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| 20:40 | <vagrantc> hi.
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| 20:41 | finally got an upload in to debian with some patches since 5.1.99 ...
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| 20:41 | and now i'm doing a bunch of NBD testing
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| 20:42 | <sbalneav> Cool!
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| 20:42 | <vagrantc> i still am stumped with why X won't start with NBD+squashfs+aufs
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| 20:42 | (the method most similar to ubuntu)
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| 20:43 | it works fine with NBD+tmpfs bind mounts
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| 20:43 | i also confirmed that X won't start with NBD+ext2+aufs
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| 20:44 | my favorite combination, in theory, would be NBD+ext2+aufs
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| 20:44 | no need for ltsp-update-image.
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| 20:45 | but any time i add aufs into the mix, it hangs.
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| 20:45 | well, X simply doesn't start...
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| 20:45 | the machine actually continues to work... i can switch vt's to one with a shell...
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| 20:46 | <sbalneav> Weird.
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| 20:46 | Somehing whacky with aufs?
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| 20:46 | <vagrantc> X simply doesn't display the greeter.
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| 20:46 | that's my guess...
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| 21:24 | <sbalneav> vagrantc: I'm gonna head to bed early tonight. I'll spend some time adding syslog support to cdpinger tomorrow.
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| 21:27 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: thanks :)
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| 21:59 | <vagrantc> what on earth is this: http://bugs.debian.org/563958
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| 22:02 | <ball> Is it a trout in a dustbin lid?
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| 22:14 | <vagrantc> i don't really get what a "Modular TFTP/Fuse supplicant
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| 22:14 | " is
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| 22:14 | but they actually have a package regarding ltsp...
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| 22:20 | <johnny> tftp via fuse?
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| 22:21 | <vagrantc> something crazy, yes.
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| 23:04 | <vagrantc> stgraber: nbd-proxy after ltsp-5.1.99 is totally broken for me...
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| 23:04 | stgraber: 5.1.99 works fine, though
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