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Channel log from 26 November 2007 (all times are UTC)
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| 00:14 | <mathesis> E: Couldn't find these debs: locales
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| 00:14 | error: LTSP client installation ended abnormally
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| 00:21 | vagrantc_, http://www.pastebin.ca/797757
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| 00:22 | <vagrantc_> mathesis: probably broken in lenny
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| 00:22 | <mathesis> yes
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| 00:49 | <vagrantc_> mathesis: dpkg -l ltsp* | egrep ^ii
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| 00:55 | <mathesis> http://www.pastebin.ca/797769 <== vagrantc_
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| 00:58 | <vagrantc_> mathesis: usa paquettes de sid ...
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| 00:59 | mathesis: echo deb http://pkg-ltsp.alioth.debian.org/debina sid-ltsp main >> /etc/apt/sources.list ; apt-get update
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| 00:59 | <mathesis> pquetes de sid en lenny?
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| 00:59 | <vagrantc_> y apt-get upgrade
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| 01:00 | pienso es mejor usa etch ...
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| 01:01 | <mathesis> y no have machine for install etch
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| 01:02 | Failed to fetch http://pkg-ltsp.alioth.debian.org/debina/dists/sid-ltsp/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz 404 Not Found
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| 01:02 | Reading package lists... Done
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| 01:02 | E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
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| 01:03 | <vagrantc_> lo siento ...
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| 01:03 | debina -> debian
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| 01:04 | sed -i -e 's,debina,debian,g' /etc/apt/sources.list
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| 01:12 | <mathesis> oks
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| 01:12 | ready
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| 01:12 | ahora instalo ltsp nuevamente?
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| 01:13 | <vagrantc_> mathesis: apt-key list | egrep -i 13D1A99
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| 01:13 | <mathesis> listo
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| 01:14 | <cyberorg> vagrantc_, VENDOR=$(lsb_release -i -s) is in gutsy-ltsp/server/ltsp-build-client, that gives VENDOR=SUSE LINUX, will it work?
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| 01:14 | <mathesis> ahora=
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| 01:14 | que mas vagrantc_ ?
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| 01:14 | <vagrantc_> cyberorg: i'm thinking we'll need to change it to lsb_release -i -s | tr ' ' '_'
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| 01:15 | cyberorg: then your plugins would go in /usr/share/ltsp/plugins/ltsp-build-client/SUSE_LINUX
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| 01:15 | <cyberorg> vagrantc_, yeah
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| 01:16 | <vagrantc_> mathesis: ltsp-build-client --extra-mirror 'http://pkg-ltsp.alioth.debian.org/debian sid-ltsp main' --apt-keys /etc/apt/trusted.gpg
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| 01:16 | <mathesis> oks
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| 01:17 | <vagrantc_> mathesis: es possible problemas con locales ...
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| 01:17 | mathesis: ah, pienso ...
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| 01:17 | --copy-package-cache --copy-package-lists
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| 01:18 | <vagrantc_> mathesis: solo descargar los paquetes una vez
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| 01:18 | <mathesis> E: Couldn't find these debs: locales
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| 01:18 | error: LTSP client installation ended abnormally
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| 01:20 | <vagrantc_> mathesis: mkdir -p /etc/ltsp/plugins/ltsp-build-client ; touch /etc/ltsp/plugins/ltsp-build-client/025-locales
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| 01:20 | LC_ALL=C ltsp-build-client --extra-mirror ...
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| 01:21 | <MasterOne> Hi guys, is there any possibilty to use a microphone or headset on the thin client? I guess the pulseaudio setup only works in one direction, but without support of a microphone on the thin client, the use of VoIP in a LTSP5 setup is not possible.
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| 01:22 | <mathesis> W: Failure trying to run: chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 mount -t proc proc /proc
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| 01:22 | error: LTSP client installation ended abnormally
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| 01:24 | <MasterOne> Hi guys, is there any possibilty to use a microphone or headset on the thin client? I guess the pulseaudio setup only works in one direction, but without support of a microphone on the thin client, the use of VoIP in a LTSP5 setup is not possible.
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| 01:24 | ups
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| 01:24 | <vagrantc_> mathesis: hay mucho problemas :P
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| 01:24 | <MasterOne> is there any more info available, how this pulseaudio setup works exactly for LTSP5?
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| 01:25 | <vagrantc_> i thought pulseaudio was supposed to work with microphones ...
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| 01:25 | <mathesis> vagrantc_, tomorrow install debian etch
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| 01:25 | <MasterOne> vagrantc_: yes, and more info about this?
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| 01:25 | how could I test it?
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| 01:25 | <vagrantc_> MasterOne: if pulseaudio doesn't work with microphones, you can still install your application locally ...
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| 01:25 | MasterOne: no idea ...
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| 01:26 | <mathesis> thanksyou vagrantc_
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| 01:26 | <MasterOne> vagrantc_: is there extended info (or better tutorial) available for setting up local apps?
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| 01:26 | <johnny> not yet..
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| 01:26 | as far as i know
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| 01:26 | <vagrantc_> MasterOne: not much
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| 01:28 | <MasterOne> As far as I understand, the actual pulseaudio setup only works one way (server->client), but if the reverse setup would be done in the thinclient chroot, it should be possible to feed microphone / headset back to the server
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| 01:28 | I think the possibilty to use VoIP is pretty much essential in such a setup
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| 01:28 | <johnny> vagrantc_, what was the purpose of this ? http://codebrowse.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/trunk/revision/491
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| 01:29 | <vagrantc_> johnny: it fixes a bug when /usr/lib/ltsp/get_hosts is present and LDM_SERVER is set
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| 01:30 | <johnny> and they disagree?
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| 01:30 | somebody suggested that as a fix to the autologin bug, sadly it was not the case
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| 01:30 | tht it was fixed i mean
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| 01:30 | <vagrantc_> if both were present, the code would the set LDM_SERVER=$SERVER
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| 01:31 | johnny: yes, i don't know why ogra thought that would fix the autologin bug ...
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| 01:32 | <johnny> well have you heard of such issues with anybody using debian?
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| 01:32 | <vagrantc_> which issues ?
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| 01:32 | <johnny> autologin :)
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| 01:32 | <vagrantc_> i can definitely confirm that autologin is broken on debian
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| 01:34 | <johnny> ok, so it's not just ubuntu
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| 01:34 | good to know
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| 01:34 | <johnny> trying to get a friend of mine to come over and help me solve it, will be helpful to have another set of eyes on it
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| 01:35 | <vagrantc_> it's something wrong with the C code ...
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| 01:35 | my C is a bit weak to really have a clue
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| 01:35 | <johnny> yeah mine too :)
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| 01:36 | <mathesis> bytes
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| 02:01 | <cyberorg> vagrantc_, https://forgesvn1.novell.com/viewsvn/kiwi-ltsp/trunk/upstream-plugin/SUSE_LINUX/
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| 02:03 | <vagrantc_> cyberorg: great
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| 02:03 | cyberorg: how does /etc/sysconfig/kiwi-ltsp get configured ?
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| 02:04 | <cyberorg> vagrantc_, either using editor or yast
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| 02:04 | <vagrantc_> cyberorg: you could write plugins to override some of those settings on the fly ...
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| 02:05 | <cyberorg> vagrantc_, it doesnt have much https://forgesvn1.novell.com/viewsvn/kiwi-ltsp/trunk/kiwi-ltsp/ltsp/suse-10.3/kiwi-ltsp?revision=51&view=markup
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| 02:05 | except for installation source and ip addresses, user does not have to change anything
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| 02:06 | * vagrantc_ doesn't *have* to configure anything in debian either | |
| 02:06 | <vagrantc_> ltsp-build-client
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| 02:06 | "just works"
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| 02:06 | <cyberorg> vagrantc_, installation source and network configuration?
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| 02:07 | <vagrantc_> cyberorg: well, the assumption is that you have network connectivity and to use a network-accessible mirror
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| 02:08 | an LTSP network without internet access is probably fairly rare
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| 02:08 | as far as network configuration, it still needs dhcpd configured, and maybe /etc/inetd.conf and/or /etc/exports
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| 02:09 | but that's not really ltsp-build-client's job
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| 02:09 | <cyberorg> vagrantc_, /etc/sysconfig/kiwi-ltsp configures all that
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| 02:09 | we assumed completely new install without any configuration
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| 02:10 | <vagrantc_> yeah, sure.
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| 02:10 | <cyberorg> i basically tried to automate ltsp 4.2's ltspadmin script
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| 02:11 | <vagrantc_> yes, it's been long on the todo list to write something like ltspadmin ...
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| 02:11 | and of course, to automate everything ...
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| 02:11 | <cyberorg> teachers wanting ltsp running shouldn't be required to mess with dhcp/tftpboot/nfs/nbd etc
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| 02:11 | <vagrantc_> ubuntu has a little more automatically configured
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| 02:12 | yes, debian-edu has everything configured out of the box ...
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| 02:12 | but that's not really ltsp-build-client's role ...
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| 02:13 | * vagrantc_ doesn't want a script that takes over the system's configuration without the user/administrator knowing what happened | |
| 02:14 | <cyberorg> vagrantc_, yeah, that is why things dont run if you are not root
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| 02:15 | if left to users to configure every component individually there are chances of it going wrong somewhere
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| 02:15 | <dberkholz> vagrantc_: what if the admin _did_ know what happened because the script told him?
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| 02:15 | <vagrantc_> dberkholz: yes, i think that's an excellent approach ...
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| 02:15 | <dberkholz> keep the automation but take away the black box
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| 02:16 | <vagrantc_> i'm not opposed to automation, i'm opposed to having some scripts assumptions about how the system is set up breaking other things
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| 02:16 | <dberkholz> that's certainly more of the gentoo approach, not sure about debian philosophy
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| 02:16 | <cyberorg> vagrantc_, the script which does all this also creates manual_task list, so in case it cannot successfully configure something, admin knows what he has to fix
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| 02:16 | <dberkholz> make it just work, but also make sure people understand how it works
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| 02:16 | <vagrantc_> and thus, the most basic utility should not actually muck with much ... you have additional wrappers around those tools
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| 02:17 | <dberkholz> back to correcting exams...
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| 02:17 | <vagrantc_> cyberorg: i'm not saying it's a bad thing to automate ... though i do think it's a bad thing to have it be impossible to configure manually...
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| 02:18 | <cyberorg> vagrantc_, of course it is possible to configure everything manually, it is Linux :)
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| 02:18 | <vagrantc_> if there's no manual override, you're limited by the limitations of the author's imagination
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| 02:18 | cyberorg: well, there's a difference between re-writing a program and being able to set a few commandline or configuration file options
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| 02:20 | <cyberorg> /etc/sysconfig/kiwi-ltsp offers that, it takes options only that are required for our purpose
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| 02:21 | http://pastebin.ca/797801 is the output generated when the script runs
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| 02:22 | there is more verbose output if you turn up DEBUG option
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| 02:26 | <vagrantc_> i guess the main thing i'm worried about is every distro coming along and implementing their own kiwi-ltsp like thing and there is very little in common from distro to distro
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| 02:27 | <johnny> truely..
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| 02:28 | <cyberorg> vagrantc_, it can't be avoided if we leave implementation on the distros, they will do what is easiest for them
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| 02:30 | for us using kiwi was easiest, as we didn't have to hack mkinitrd or write something entirely new to build chroot for nfs and squashfs image for nbd
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| 02:30 | <MasterOne> Anybody here using xterminator? I just installed the actual version v0.2, but it's not working. When I try to login from a thin client, it just shows a black screen, I can see the mouse pointer, but nothing else happens, nothing shows up in syslog. Any idea? I think xterminator is very useful, I don't want to messup my session, just because I forgot to logout on another machine
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| 02:47 | <MasterOne> Anybody here using xterminator? I just installed the actual version v0.2, but it's not working. When I try to login from a thin client, it just shows a black screen, I can see the mouse pointer, but nothing else happens, nothing shows up in syslog. Any idea? I think xterminator is very useful, I don't want to messup my session, just because I forgot to logout on another machine
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| 04:13 | <exodos> hii, a have small question: how to specify nbdroot by kernel args?
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| 04:23 | <exodos> ok, I found that I have to set nbdroot=ip.ip.ip.ip:port on the kernel command line. Then ltsp-nbd mount script checks for $nbdroot variable.
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| 05:32 | <cyberorg> ogra, created a tiny plugin https://forgesvn1.novell.com/viewsvn/kiwi-ltsp/trunk/upstream-plugin/SUSE_LINUX/
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| 05:32 | <ogra> yeah i saw the backlog
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| 05:33 | <cyberorg> ok :)
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| 05:42 | <technofrood> I work at a school, and am looking at trialling LTSP in areas where students only need web and basic office access, I have installed LSTP on a clean debian server, but am having problems as we use RIS for our XP installs, I have created a reservation in the windows dhcp server for a test machine with options 17,66,67 set and pointing to the LTSP server, the client boots and dhcps and picks up the reservation but st
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| 05:50 | <oblek> any patch/workaround for unpartitioned usb stick?
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| 05:50 | beside formatting the device?
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| 05:53 | <oblek> I'm running internet cafe, and having difficulties see the device when the usb stick doesnt have partition
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| 05:53 | so formatting the device is not a good option at the moment
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| 05:55 | is this workaround working in LTSP5?
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| 05:55 | http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/WorkInProgress#Unpartitioned_USB_Stick_LTSP_4_2
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| 06:09 | <MasterOne> anybody here using xterminator?
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| 06:21 | <exodos> can someone explain me how is the "nbdroot=foo:bar" kernel parameter changed to $nbdroot variable inside initrd scripts?
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| 06:21 | i'mean where this assigment is executed?
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| 06:33 | <ogra> in initramfs
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| 06:33 | http://codebrowse.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/trunk/annotate/sbalneav%40phobos-20071121050525-3rc7lkvr80c16ves?start_revid=ogra%40ubuntu.com-20071125181031-095ywyiq9ifc9d6b&file_id=ltspnbd-20070611133425-xs8kk2gotlvbpcyt-2
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| 06:33 | have a look there
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| 06:36 | <exodos> ogra: I see there only a test of its value. I wanted to know where was this value assigned
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| 06:36 | or all kernel parameters are assigned to variables with the same names?
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| 06:39 | <ogra> NBD_ROOT_PORT=${nbdport:-"2000"}
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| 06:39 | in this line
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| 06:39 | if the nbdport variable is unset it uses port 2000
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| 06:39 | if it is set as kernel commandline option the script wont touch it but use the provided value
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| 06:39 | <ogra> ??
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| 06:40 | * ogra doesnt understand | |
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| 06:40 | <sonjag> Good morning!! Hope everyone had a nice weekend :)
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| 06:41 | <ogra> the block between line 43 and 58 sets the values for NBD_ROOT_PORT and NBD_ROOT_SERVER either from values it recieves from the kernel commandline or to defaults
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| 06:41 | <ogra> NBD_ROOT_SERVER="${ROOTSERVER}" and NBD_ROOT_PORT=${nbdport:-"2000"}
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| 06:41 | <sonjag> I'm following up on an issue I wrote about last week where I leave on Friday and the servers look good, come back in on Monday and they're slow and I eventually need to reboot.
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| 06:41 | <ogra> these values are then used on line 78 to mount the readonly FS
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| 06:42 | <exodos> ogra: and where is $nbdroot variable set?
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| 06:42 | <ogra> exodos, at the kernel commandline or never
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| 06:42 | <sonjag> This morning I came in to find 16 instances of bonobo-activation running for users not logged in. Why are these processing running when the user has logged out?
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| 06:42 | <ogra> sonjag, moquist has a cleanup script for these
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| 06:42 | its fixed upstream and will be in the next bonobo release in hardy
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| 06:43 | <sonjag> ogra, are your talking about xterminator? If so, I have that installed but it only "cleans up" when the user logs in again.\
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| 06:43 | <ogra> (its a bug in bonobo ... )
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| 06:43 | <exodos> ogra: so if I will add option "foo=bar" to my kernel parameters I will have variable $foo with value bar acessible inside initram scripts
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| 06:43 | am I correct?
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| 06:44 | <ogra> yeah
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| 06:44 | <exodos> ok, thx a lot
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| 06:46 | <sonjag> ogra, I just re-read moquist's page on xterminator. It is supposed to clean up on login and after, so I need to talk to him about why this keeps running. Thanks.
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| 06:47 | <ogra> well, eventually we need to have the apps fixed indeed ... thats the main goal
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| 06:49 | <MasterOne> anybody here using xterminator?
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| 06:50 | I just tried xterminator v0.2 but it did not work
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| 06:51 | after xterminator 0.2 was installed, I could not login from a thin client any more, it just presented a black screen, mouse pointer was visible, but nothing more, and nothing showed up in syslog
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| 06:51 | any idea?
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| 06:53 | <sonjag> MasterOne, I have xterminator running on 2 ltsp boxes and it works fine.
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| 06:54 | <MasterOne> this was a fresh Edubuntu Gutsy installation, and xterminator v0.2 from the launchpad repo
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| 06:54 | <sonjag> MasterOne, does the issue go away if you remove xterminator?
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| 06:54 | <MasterOne> yes
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| 06:54 | <sonjag> MasterOne, I'm running Fiesty.
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| 06:54 | <MasterOne> so you are using v0.1.4?
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| 06:55 | there are two xterminator versions in the launpad repo
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| 06:55 | <sonjag> MasterOne, do you know moquist? He's the author and I'm sure he'd be willing to help.
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| 06:55 | <MasterOne> v0.1.4 from september (that's what Moquist also posted to the mailinglist), and v0.2 from november
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| 06:55 | <sonjag> I'm not sure what version... can you tell me how to check?
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| 06:55 | <MasterOne> I already sent Moquist an email
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| 06:56 | I don't think you can check, except the version shown in synaptic (if you used the launchpad repo)
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| 06:56 | in the launpad repo only v0.2 shows up for gutsy
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| 06:57 | hmpf
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| 06:58 | I don't really want to miss out on xterminator, because I don't want my session get messed up, if I should forget to logout on another machine
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| 08:36 | <Uranellus> hello, I've got thin clients in different subnets all connected to one fat terminal server in it's own (backbone) subnet .. now I need to configure the server printing system somehow to print to a printer depending on where the thin client is at
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| 08:50 | <MasterOne> Once again: http://ppa.launchpad.net/moquist/ubuntu shows xterminator with version 0.2 in gutsy main, but that version from 2nd November does not work. Can someone confirm that?
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| 09:20 | <sbalneav> Morning all
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| 09:21 | Well, after a VERY busy weekend, I managed to get my main mail/file server updated.
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| 09:21 | 20+ hours of work :(
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| 09:24 | <cliebow> dtrask: you short a bts 2005 sweatshirt?
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| 09:44 | <cliebow> Hi Scottie..by the way..
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| 09:47 | <sbalneav> cliebow: Yep?
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| 09:52 | <johnny> uggh.. my thin clients won't let go of firefox
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| 09:52 | keeps hanging out in the background eating up CPU
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| 09:53 | i have no clue why it would do that
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| 09:55 | <sbalneav> johnny: are the users logging out with firefox running? Or they're closing firefox and it's not going away?
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| 09:55 | <johnny> closing firefox
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| 09:56 | <sbalneav> So, the window doesn't disappear?
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| 09:56 | <johnny> yes it does
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| 09:56 | then they get a prompt to clear out the cookies
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| 09:56 | err private data
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| 09:56 | maybe what they click there makes it happen..
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| 09:57 | <sbalneav> Or, if they don't click on it, and then log out, maybe?
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| 09:59 | <johnny> hmm.. need to run experiments on it..
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| 09:59 | i just know with 4 clients i'm maxing out a dual core
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| 10:00 | uggh
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| 10:00 | <ogra> is the same user logged in already ?
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| 10:00 | <johnny> hmm ps aux shows ids for some of the clients, and names for others..
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| 10:00 | <ogra> FF doesnt like taht
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| 10:00 | <johnny> i doubt it
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| 10:00 | no
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| 10:00 | or they shouldn't at least
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| 10:00 | <ogra> (just to exclude teh obvoius bu#its :) )
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| 10:01 | <johnny> i know they definitely didn't when i had autologin workin
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| 10:01 | <ogra> sbalneav, seen that ? http://codebrowse.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/trunk/revision/vagrant%40freegeek.org-20071125161106-xatic3qssilajodh?start_revid=ogra%40ubuntu.com-20071125181031-095ywyiq9ifc9d6b
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| 10:02 | /usr/lib/ltsp/get_hosts is nonexistent ... so LDM_SERVER gets never filled
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| 10:05 | <johnny> btw ogra i actually manually filled LDM_SERVER and that didn't help
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| 10:05 | previously
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| 10:05 | <ogra> johnny, indeed
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| 10:05 | <johnny> i coulda swore i commented on that
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| 10:05 | <ogra> there is more to fix, but thats one essential piece
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| 10:05 | <ogra> (as teh bug says in teh initial text)
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| 10:05 | <johnny> hmm.. could you give me a reason why ps aux would show up some clients with user names
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| 10:05 | and some not ?
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| 10:06 | <ogra> no idea
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| 10:07 | <ogra> if tehy are logged in there must be a ssh session runing under their name
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| 10:12 | <johnny> uggh.. can't run this app remotely for some reason..
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| 10:31 | hm.. it shows up fine in top
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| 10:31 | ok.. things seem better.. some nautilus process was being ultra mean
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| 10:33 | <ogra> hint: switch off thumbnailing systemwide ;)
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| 10:33 | <cliebow> sbalneav: no probs..just a halloooo!!
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| 10:35 | <johnny> hmm. seems like the gnome-cups-icon issue still exists as of awhile now
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| 10:35 | it likes to use 100%
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| 10:36 | only for a second, but i don't understand why
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| 11:47 | <vagrantc> ogra: mktemp -d /full/path ... doesn't really do anything meaningful, does it?
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| 12:14 | <ogra> vagrantc, warren insisted on using mktemp, he thinks it prevents from overwriting existing dirs (whic i doubt)
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| 12:16 | <vagrantc> ogra: yes, mktemp is a good thing. but i think we can do better. :)
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| 12:17 | i'm rewriting the script
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| 12:17 | not from scratch, per se ...
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| 12:17 | ogra: launchpad wasn't allowing me to commit just a bit ago ...
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| 12:18 | er, use mktemp better
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| 12:18 | <MasterOne> can anyone here confirm, that xterminator v0.2 from 2nd november from the launchpad repo is not working?
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| 12:27 | <warren> vagrantc, I'd like to see your version
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| 12:28 | vagrantc, I modified ogra's mkdist for another project, after you rewrite it I'd like to integrate my additions.
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| 12:28 | <vagrantc> warren: almost mostly done
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| 12:28 | <vagrantc> warren: i'm thinking mkdist it really belongs in it's own bzr project
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| 12:28 | warren: and based on waht you just said ... :)
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| 12:29 | <warren> vagrantc, can bzr automatically checkout another bzr repo in another directory?
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| 12:29 | <vagrantc> warren: like subversion's external projects? i don't think so, but i'm not sure.
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| 12:38 | <ltsppbot> "vagrantc" pasted "mkdist rewrite" (107 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/372
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| 12:38 | <vagrantc> warren: try that out
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| 12:39 | a little refactoring ... and a couple conceptual changes ... and makes better use of mktemp
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| 12:39 | <warren> we really have to read VERSION from a separate file
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| 12:39 | <vagrantc> (using a randomly generated directory instead of a predictable one)
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| 12:39 | absolutely ...
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| 12:39 | <warren> ltsp versions should be like 5.1.x
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| 12:39 | <vagrantc> i was thinking something like mkdist.conf in the top-level source directory
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| 12:39 | warren: indeed ... 5.1.x
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| 12:39 | <warren> that would be fine
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| 12:40 | <vagrantc> or release.conf
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| 12:40 | <warren> vagrantc, rename --force to --test
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| 12:40 | <vagrantc> or even just the commandline
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| 12:40 | warren: sure
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| 12:40 | ./mkdist --version 5.1.0
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| 12:41 | and then it can check if the tag already exists ...
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| 12:41 | <warren> vagrantc, I suppose we can have a separate bzr repo for mkdist, but we would have to copy it manually to other repos until bzr supports something to automate it.
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| 12:41 | vagrantc, I also hope we can get NAME without looking at pwd
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| 12:42 | vagrantc, because locally I have ~/ltsp/warren ~/ltsp/ogra etc.
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| 12:42 | <vagrantc> just making more things variables was one of my goals
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| 12:42 | <warren> let's agree on a standard format for release.conf
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| 12:42 | vagrantc, should mkdist and release.conf be removed from the directory before tarballing?
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| 12:43 | * vagrantc doesn't think mkdist should be in the directory | |
| 12:43 | <vagrantc> before or after tarballing
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| 12:43 | <warren> vagrantc, you mean to make a mkdist package?
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| 12:43 | vagrantc, /usr/bin/mkdist
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| 12:43 | <vagrantc> possibly ...
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| 12:44 | <warren> gotta make sure nobody else has a mkdist =)
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| 12:44 | mkdist(8)
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| 12:44 | NAME mkdist - make a Minix distribution
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| 12:44 | too many hits for mkdist
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| 12:44 | <vagrantc> though i think it's the sort of thing that doesn't necessarily need to be packaged ... people making releases can just use the bzr checkout
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| 12:44 | <warren> vagrantc, if we want a package of this in $PATH, then we need a new name.
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| 12:45 | vagrantc, use the bzr checkout and put it where?
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| 12:45 | <vagrantc> warren: what sort of automation were you thinking about?
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| 12:45 | /whereever/foo/bar/mkdist --release ltsp-5.1.0 vagrant-ltsp-trunk
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| 12:46 | where vagrant-ltsp-trunk is a checkout of the ltsp project
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| 12:47 | <warren> if mkdist isn't in ./ or $PATH it is a little inconvenient
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| 12:47 | <vagrantc> warren: how often are people going to be making upstream releases?
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| 12:47 | <warren> vagrantc, it depends on the component
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| 12:47 | vagrantc, technically if they spin a package from it, they should "bzr tag" with an incremented number at least.
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| 12:48 | <MasterOne> Is it possible, that the Firefox Flash9 plugin does not output any audio to the thin client?
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| 12:48 | <vagrantc> MasterOne: not just possible, very likely
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| 12:48 | <MasterOne> is there a fix for that issue?
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| 12:48 | <warren> MasterOne, you need a sound server like pulseaudio, and if you use pulseaudio you need libflashsupport
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| 12:49 | <MasterOne> pluseaudio is used by default in the LTSP5 Edubuntu Gutsy setup
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| 12:49 | <vagrantc> warren: i agree that all package releases should be in revision control ... but each distro should base off of an upstream tarball and make patches as needed for a given release until those patches are accepted upstream...
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| 12:49 | <MasterOne> but when I installed Flash9 over synaptic, I saw that it fetched libasound
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| 12:49 | <sutula> vagrantc: Is it likely that LDM_USERNAME and LDM_PASSWORD will be implemented anytime soon in the Debian version?
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| 12:50 | <vagrantc> sutula: they're implemented, they're just broken
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| 12:50 | <sutula> :(
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| 12:50 | <vagrantc> sutula: at least with ldm2 ... lenny still is stuck with the python ldm ...
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| 12:50 | sutula: been waiting on a powerpc buildd for weeks
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| 12:51 | <sutula> vagrantc: OK...that's been a bit of a bottleneck :)
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| 12:51 | <MasterOne> warren: libflashsupport?
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| 12:52 | <vagrantc> i'm also trying to get upstream ltsp in decent shape before making another upload to debian
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| 12:52 | <sutula> vagrantc: Consider it an informal request, then, but not very important...there's other ways of skinning that one
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| 12:52 | <Gadi> sutula: if debian is still on the python ldm, why not grab the python one with the hack?
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| 12:52 | <warren> MasterOne, it is a BSD-licensed plugin that flash plugin can optionally load
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| 12:52 | <vagrantc> sutula: definitely on my TODO list ...
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| 12:52 | <sutula> Gadi: Yes...that's one of the ways
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| 12:53 | * sutula tries to keep the number of hacks on his server to a minimum :) | |
| 12:53 | <warren> vagrantc, "but each distro should base off of an upstream tarball and make patches as needed for a given release until those patches are accepted upstream..." That sounds like a good idea. Does bzr make it easy to keep patches after a certain revision in separate patch files?
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| 12:53 | vagrantc, alternatively, we could define it this way...
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| 12:54 | vagrantc, VERSION=5.1.x.y
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| 12:54 | <vagrantc> warren: well, you can obviously make a branch, and then generate the patch files
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| 12:54 | <warren> vagrantc, x is minor version (upstream only)
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| 12:54 | vagrantc, y can be distro-specific, HOWEVER it must contain a distro string
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| 12:54 | <vagrantc> warren: debian already has best practices for debian-specific versions
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| 12:54 | <warren> vagrantc, for example 5.1.23.fedora9
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| 12:55 | vagrantc, does bzr have easy cherry-picking?
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| 12:55 | vagrantc, (I'm very confused sometimes because I am learning git for other projects.)
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| 12:55 | <vagrantc> warren: what exactly do you mean by cherry-picking ?
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| 12:56 | <warren> vagrantc, easy and quick interface to pick specific changesets from another repo for merging into your own.
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| 12:56 | <vagrantc> you can grab individual patches or ranges of patches ... and the merges are generally handled decently... though there's some stupid bugs with it
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| 12:57 | warren: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=354669
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| 12:57 | <warren> vagrantc, hm.... if we stop shipping mkdist within each source repo, then I really want it to become a package. We would need a new name though.
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| 12:58 | <warren> vagrantc, otherwise I don't think it is a big problem to continue shipping it in each source repo, with a canonical version in another bzr repo.
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| 12:58 | * vagrantc hates the idea of shipping it in each bzr repository | |
| 12:58 | <warren> vagrantc, if mkdist itself contains its version number at the top, we can easily copy it from the canonical bzr repo when needed. After a while it wont change much so it wont be a problem.
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| 12:58 | <vagrantc> hate
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| 12:58 | <warren> vagrantc, ogra wanted it this way?
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| 12:59 | <warren> hm
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| 12:59 | If we make it into a package, it could support other repo formats.
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| 12:59 | * vagrantc gets wild-eyed | |
| 12:59 | <warren> CVS, svn, hg, git, etc.
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| 12:59 | * vagrantc smiles | |
| 12:59 | <vagrantc> part of me just wants to keep it really simple
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| 12:59 | <warren> vagrantc, let's do it this way for now, and eventually move it out into its own package?
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| 12:59 | <vagrantc> and not support all sorts of stuff
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| 13:00 | <warren> vagrantc, yeah... I guess
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| 13:11 | <vagrantc> warren, ogra, sbalneav: tar shouldn't need to be verbose for mkdist, should it?
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| 13:12 | <warren> vagrantc, let's make a debug mode and that can be debug only
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| 13:16 | <vagrantc> warren: updated my bzr branch with latest changes: http://llama.freegeek.org/~vagrant/bzr/ltsp/split/vagrant-ltsp-trunk
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| 13:16 | <ninkendo> Hello, I have an issue with ubuntu gutsy running ltsp... It seems as though any user that uses tcsh cannot log into gnome. It just displays a black screen with a mouse cursor and that's it.
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| 13:17 | * vagrantc has an aversion to always making a script end in .sh or .py or .pl or whatever | |
| 13:17 | <ninkendo> Is there any known issues with recent ltsp builds and tcsh?
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| 13:17 | tcsh is installed on the image, and this worked in ubuntu dapper
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| 13:17 | <vagrantc> ninkendo: first i've heard of it, but the code largely assumes bash.
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| 13:18 | ninkendo: ldm explicitly calls "bash --login" ...
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| 13:18 | don't know why that would cause an issue with the default shell, though
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| 13:18 | <ninkendo> well, bash is installed and everything... it's just that the users' default shell is tcsh
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| 13:18 | yeah
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| 13:19 | <vagrantc> actaully, ldm ssh's to the server multiple times ... incompatibilities in shell syntax could cause that problem
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| 13:19 | <ninkendo> ah
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| 13:19 | is this a script somewhere I can edit?
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| 13:20 | <vagrantc> /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/ldm/rc.d
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| 13:20 | <Drakeweb> ogra: fancy helping me with my video problem again?
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| 13:20 | <vagrantc> and /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/sbin/cdpinger
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| 13:20 | think those are the main two
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| 13:21 | <ninkendo> ah, it looks like it's sourcing files in that directory
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| 13:22 | <vagrantc> ninkendo: you just changed the shell on the server ... not in /opt/ltsp/i386 ?
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| 13:22 | <ninkendo> on the server, yes
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| 13:22 | and I installed tcsh in the image's chroot
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| 13:24 | <vagrantc> just installing it doesn't muck with /bin/sh or anything, does it?
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| 13:24 | at any rate, good luck. it's pretty bourne shell centric :)
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| 13:24 | <ninkendo> heh
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| 13:25 | well, I've been looking for an excuse to move everyone to bash anyway :)
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| 13:25 | but some people actually like tcsh (blech)
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| 13:31 | <Drakeweb> I have an eon 4000 thin client that will not display graphically on an LCD monitor. This monitor works fine with my edubuntu server. I've installed another graphics card in the client (PCI S3 card) but it gives the same problem.
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| 13:32 | is it possible to get the settings that the server uses (refresh rate etc.) and put them into my lts.conf file for use by the client?
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| 13:40 | <MasterOne> Who knows something about the pulseaudio setup in Edubuntu Gutsy? I just checked, pulseaudio itself does not seem to be installed on my LTSP5 server, although audio generally seems to be working on the thin client. I found the following tutorial for setting up pluseaudio in ubuntu: www.ubublog.de but I am unsure, if all mentioned packages will have to be installed on the LTSP5 server (I am confused now, I just wanted audio support
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| 13:40 | in flash9)
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| 13:40 | <vagrantc> Drakeweb: just copy /etc/X11/xorg.conf into /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/xorg.conf.ltsp
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| 13:41 | <sutula> Do serial mice generally work in LTSP5 out-of-the-box, or is "additional work" required?
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| 13:41 | <vagrantc> Drakeweb: echo XORG_CONF=/etc/xorg.conf.ltsp >> /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf
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| 13:42 | sutula: definitely will require some configuration, and there may be bug in the code as serial mice aren't real well tested
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| 13:42 | sutula: you'll need inputattach, which is in the joystick package on debian
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| 13:43 | <sutula> vagrantc: OK...the eventual goal is getting a touchscreen to work, but figured I better start with a serial mouse first :)
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| 13:43 | ...probably need a custom Xorg.conf for that as well
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| 13:45 | <vagrantc> sutula: lookint at it, i think the code actually will work ... as long as X_MOUSE_DEVICE=/dev/ttyS[0-9] and X_MOUSE_PROTOCOL uses protocols known by inputattach
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| 13:45 | sutula: you need joystick installed, and set *both* X_MOUSE_DEVICE and X_MOUSE_PROTOCOL
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| 13:46 | sutula: at least, it looks working in the sid version ... not sure about etch or lenny
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| 13:46 | <sutula> vagrantc: OK...I'll try it when I'm in front of the hardware...thanks
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| 13:51 | <vagrantc> ogra: oh, did i mention that NBD + squashfs + unionfs on sid works like a charm now?
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| 14:15 | <Drakeweb> nope. no go on the GUI front with my eon 4000. is anyone using one of these clients successfully on ltsp5?
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| 14:20 | <vagrantc> hm. NBD+squashfs+unionfs works fine from pxelinux, but not from etherboot ...
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| 14:20 | same commandline arguments
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| 14:21 | somehow nbd-client seems to fail
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| 14:21 | weird.
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| 14:43 | <cliebow> Drakeweb, you give up the netvista??
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| 14:49 | <Drakeweb> yes - I'm finding it hard enough trying to get a client with PXE to boot properly!
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| 15:12 | <cliebow> if i had five minutes with you here in Maine we could get em working in 4.1....
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| 15:14 | going home...
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| 15:20 | <rafael-ec> does ltsp support usb memories on the clientes?
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| 15:21 | <cliebow> if they re formatted..with a partition..
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| 15:27 | <rafael-ec> so they should be something like /dev/sda1 instead of /dev/sda
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| 15:27 | ?
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| 16:27 | <lns> Hey all
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| 16:32 | <Nomsky> m00
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| 16:37 | I just installed Edubuntu with ltsp. On booting a thin client, I get to the splash screen. Then it stops and gives me initramfs. syslog says: tftp: client does not accept options. Any suggestions ?
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| 16:37 | I've googled a bit, but none of the solutions helped
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| 16:39 | it's Intel boot agent 4.1.08 on an old P4 2.4 client
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| 16:43 | <Nomsky> anyone ? :)
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| 16:46 | <warren> hmm
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| 16:46 | T150 wont even boot the i586 kernel that works fine on T170 and even the T1000.
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| 16:46 | What kind of box is the T150?
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| 16:48 | <lns> Nomsky, do other clients (i.e. different hardware) work?
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| 16:48 | <Nomsky> looks like my problem is quite common
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| 16:48 | no
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| 16:49 | I tried two other boxes
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| 16:49 | <lns> does it say *anything* else?
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| 16:49 | !pastebot
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| 16:49 | <ltspbot> lns: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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| 16:49 | <Nomsky> nope, same behaviour
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| 16:50 | splash screen, and it starts to load, then blank and starts ash
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| 16:51 | <lns> hmm
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| 16:52 | no clue! the "tftp: client does not accept options" thing is common i believe, not critical...
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| 16:52 | <Nomsky> Ok
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| 16:52 | <lns> you're on gutsy?
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| 16:52 | <Nomsky> I shouldn't get Ash though :)
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| 16:53 | <lns> i'm not sure what initial shell is used
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| 16:53 | is this a brand new install? What version?
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| 16:53 | <Nomsky> dunno about gutsu, it's the latest edubuntu
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| 16:54 | <lns> 7.10?
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| 16:54 | <Nomsky> ya
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| 16:54 | <lns> it's gutsy then
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| 16:54 | <Nomsky> ok
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| 16:54 | <lns> 64-bit or 32-bit?
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| 16:54 | <Nomsky> 32
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| 16:54 | <lns> k
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| 16:54 | i'm sure there's a better way to troubleshoot, but did you try rebuilding the chroot?
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| 16:55 | <Nomsky> no
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| 16:55 | <lns> that's really the only thing I can think of to do
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| 16:55 | do you know how to do that?
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| 16:55 | <Nomsky> ok
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| 16:55 | not sure tbh
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| 16:55 | I guess I could googled for it, unless you told me how :)
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| 16:55 | -d
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| 16:55 | <lns> # rm -rf /opt/ltsp/i386
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| 16:55 | then
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| 16:56 | # ltsp-build-client
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| 16:56 | <Nomsky> oh right
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| 16:56 | <lns> or
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| 16:56 | hmm..maybe try rebuilding the nbd image first
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| 16:56 | ltsp-update-image
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| 16:56 | <Nomsky> I did that
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| 16:56 | <lns> (as root, or w/sudo)
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| 16:56 | have you modified the chroot in any way since install?
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| 16:56 | <Nomsky> and updated ssh-keys
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| 16:57 | <lns> k...you should only have to ltsp-update-sshkeys if you changed server IP address(es)
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| 16:57 | <Nomsky> I added a few users and updated the image
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| 16:57 | and I did actually
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| 16:57 | <lns> oh ok
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| 16:57 | are you sure you changed the IP in every place you have to?
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| 16:57 | that could def. be your problem
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| 16:58 | <Nomsky> I assume it's only in /etc/ltsp/dhcp.conf
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| 16:58 | and ofc /etc/network/interfaces
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| 16:59 | it shows me the correst dhcp stuff during boot
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| 17:00 | <lns> how about /etc/network/interfaces
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| 17:00 | well i don't have the doc. in front of me but i know there are a few pl aces you have to change it...
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| 17:00 | <Nomsky> I just mentioned that ;(
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| 17:00 | <lns> oh
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| 17:00 | lol
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| 17:00 | sorry
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| 17:00 | <Nomsky> np ;)
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| 17:01 | I'm just glad you're trying to help :)
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| 17:01 | I can't think of anything to try
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| 17:01 | <lns> what are you getting exactly by "gives me initramfs"
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| 17:02 | <Nomsky> a shell
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| 17:02 | busybox
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| 17:02 | <lns> hmm...i remember back in the dapper days this was attributed to a bug in NFS
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| 17:03 | but that's been fixed long ago
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| 17:03 | specially since gutsy doesn't use nfs anymore (at least for boot) =p
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| 17:03 | <warren> weird... something suddenly made tftp on my laptop REALLY SLOW
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| 17:03 | <Nomsky> seems that tftp is doing it's job, as I get the splash screen
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| 17:04 | <lns> right
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| 17:04 | <Nomsky> then I get the first loading segment, and nothing else
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| 17:04 | so NFS isn't in play here, right ?
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| 17:05 | <lns> shouldn't be
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| 17:05 | <Nomsky> ok
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| 17:05 | <lns> gutsy uses nbd to load chroot images
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| 17:05 | <Nomsky> standard tftp port is 69 ?
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| 17:05 | and udp ?
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| 17:06 | <lns> yep
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| 17:06 | <Nomsky> got that right then
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| 17:06 | :)
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| 17:06 | <lns> haha...you shouldn't have to worry about any of that though
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| 17:06 | <Nomsky> well, I'm running a iptables script
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| 17:06 | <lns> oooh
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| 17:06 | <Nomsky> an*
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| 17:06 | so I had to allow port 69
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| 17:07 | <lns> have you tried disabling that all together just to see if it could be something in there?
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| 17:07 | <Nomsky> ya
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| 17:07 | <lns> hmm
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| 17:07 | <Nomsky> that was the first I tried
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| 17:07 | <lns> cool
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| 17:08 | did you try rebooting the server just for kicks? maybe some daemons (inetd?) need to re-bind to the new ip?
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| 17:08 | i'm just throwing shots out =p
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| 17:08 | <Nomsky> yea
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| 17:08 | several times :)
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| 17:08 | <lns> heh
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| 17:08 | <Nomsky> restarted dhcpd too
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| 17:09 | before I gave up and rebooted the box :p
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| 17:09 | <lns> well maybe try rebuilding the chroot all together...thats' the next thing I'd try, but with my luck it probably wouldn't work. =p dunno if there's anything hard-coded in the chroot at all for IPs
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| 17:10 | <lns> it sounds like something is crapping out because it can't reach the server though.
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| 17:10 | <Nomsky> you would think it should work 'out of the box'
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| 17:10 | <lns> well yeah, it usually does - but we've done some modifications so the warranty is void ;)
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| 17:10 | <Nomsky> how many files contains info about ip ?
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| 17:11 | for ltsp that is
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| 17:12 | rebuilding
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| 17:12 | wish me luck :p
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| 17:12 | <lns> afaik, just the dhcpd.conf file, but i could be wrong
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| 17:12 | * lns crosses fingers | |
| 17:12 | <Nomsky> hehe
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| 17:13 | <lns> is this a dual-NIC setup?
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| 17:13 | <Nomsky> nopes
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| 17:13 | <lns> with seperate ltsp network?
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| 17:13 | oh ok
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| 17:13 | that's really what i prefer too
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| 17:13 | any other systems on the network segment?
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| 17:14 | <Nomsky> I want my costumers to scrap XP and w2k3 servers, and switch to ltsp and thin clients
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| 17:14 | So far I got them to use OpenOffice
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| 17:14 | <lns> good! =)
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| 17:14 | what's your line of work
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| 17:14 | <Nomsky> and 3 ubuntu 7.10 workstations
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| 17:14 | IT consultant
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| 17:14 | <lns> me too =p
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| 17:14 | <Nomsky> :)
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| 17:14 | <lns> what's your location?
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| 17:15 | <Nomsky> denmark
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| 17:15 | I spend too much time researching tho :p
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| 17:15 | <lns> ahh nice to see it's all around the world
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| 17:15 | <lns> ;) I've found the perfect places to go after for ltsp setups are (obviously) educational institutions
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| 17:15 | <Nomsky> if i manage to convince this client, we're talking ~40 workstations
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| 17:15 | <lns> nice
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| 17:15 | hey cliebow
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| 17:16 | <cliebow> ho!
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| 17:16 | <Nomsky> so I really need this pilot to work
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| 17:16 | <lns> i've been there... are all 40 the same hardware?
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| 17:16 | <Nomsky> almost
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| 17:16 | <cliebow> i lost another 6 today...supplanted btproprietary macs
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| 17:17 | <Nomsky> awwww
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| 17:17 | <lns> wha?
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| 17:18 | <Nomsky> man, I need this to work
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| 17:19 | so bad i can taste it ...
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| 17:19 | <cliebow> what is th e prob?
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| 17:19 | <Nomsky> tftp: client does not accept options
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| 17:19 | thin client -> ltsp
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| 17:20 | <cliebow> option 128/9?
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| 17:20 | <Nomsky> uh ?
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| 17:20 | <cliebow> what options?
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| 17:20 | <Nomsky> it doesn't tell
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| 17:20 | <cliebow> is this ubuntu?
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| 17:21 | <Nomsky> edubuntu 7:10
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| 17:21 | latest and greatest
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| 17:21 | <cliebow> it otter just woek...where do you have probs?>
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| 17:22 | <Nomsky> <Nomsky> I just installed Edubuntu with ltsp. On booting a thin client, I get to the splash screen. Then it stops and gives me initramfs. syslog says: tftp: client does not accept options. Any suggestions ?
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| 17:23 | in other words, I'm not hetting to the login
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| 17:23 | getting
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| 17:23 | <cliebow> i asume these are pxe clients..you sure you haveno other dhcp server on your network...Sure..
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| 17:24 | <Nomsky> the router is a dhcp server, but it discovers the server as dhcp server
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| 17:24 | and gets an ip from it
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| 17:24 | <lns> Nomsky, you really want to disable the router's dhcp server
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| 17:24 | unless you have VLANs or something going on
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| 17:24 | <cliebow> there are two dhcp discovers...after the initramfs loads..it is getting a response from your router
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| 17:25 | <Nomsky> aha
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| 17:25 | <cliebow> and so does not know what to do
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| 17:25 | <Nomsky> now we're getting somewhere
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| 17:25 | <lns> =p
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| 17:25 | <Nomsky> so even if I get the splash screen, it's still looking at my router's dhcp ?
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| 17:26 | <lns> it will be completely random which dhcp server responds first each time someone requests an ip
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| 17:26 | <Nomsky> doesn't make sense tho
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| 17:26 | ok i see
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| 17:26 | <cliebow> it is very likely
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| 17:26 | <lns> network wise man say "only one dhcp server per network" while in meditation
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| 17:26 | <Nomsky> I'll try that, a constructive suggestion, thx :)
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| 17:27 | <cliebow> Nomsky:install wireshark..so you can look at the paCKETSclosely
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| 17:34 | <ltsppbot> "Nomsky" pasted "tftp: client does not accept options" (11 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/373
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| 17:38 | <lns> Nomsky, i would recommend disabling your iptables script for the duration of the troubleshooting
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| 17:38 | (if you haven't already)
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| 17:39 | NBD opens another port iirc
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| 17:44 | <Nomsky_> sniff
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| 17:59 | <Nomsky> So, i decided to do it the hard way
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| 18:00 | reinstalling and setting the network manually
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| 18:02 | <lns> Nomsky, did you disable the router's dhcp server?
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| 18:41 | <richard__> hey i created new chroot called newi386 and modified /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf to look like this:
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| 18:41 | <ltsppbot> "richard" pasted "dhcpd.conf" (22 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/374
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| 18:42 | <richard__> and it still boots to old i386 dir... how do i fix this?
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| 18:44 | sbalneav, you on?
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| 19:57 | <cflynt> Hi, I've used LTSP 4.2, and trying to setup Ubuntu Feisty with LTSP 5.0.
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| 19:58 | ltsp-build-client fails with error:
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| 19:58 | lns: creating symbolic link `/dev/fd' to `/proc/self/fd': File exists
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| 19:58 | error: LTSP client installation ended abnormally
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| 19:59 | Attempting to boot client fails because it can't find pxelinux.0.
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| 19:59 | I can't find it either. I'm suspecting that the installation didn't get
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| 19:59 | far enough to install pxelinux.
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| 19:59 | The system I'm installing on has no floppy disk. This might be where
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| 19:59 | the /dev/fd error is coming from, but I can't find the script to edit
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| 19:59 | to mung this to behave better.
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| 20:00 | Suggestions happily accepted.
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| 20:04 | <johnny> check the list of bugs perhaps..
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| 20:24 | <jcastro> moquist: around?
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| 20:30 | <moquist> aye
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| 20:32 | <jcastro> I've got an interesting mail coming your way in about 5-10 minutes
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| 20:32 | <moquist> cool
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| 20:32 | * moquist hopes it's good/fun-interesting, and not bad-interesting | |
| 20:33 | <jcastro> good/fun
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| 20:38 | <cflynt> I'll be AFK for a couple hours. If anyone has a suggestion for a
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| 20:39 | workaround for teh /dev/fd failure, I'll check later. Thanks.
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| 23:58 | <johnny_> hi
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| 23:58 | i shutdown my thin clients and they leave some hanging processes
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| 23:58 | do i need to setup some sort of acpi event for the power button manually?
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