IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 21 February 2016 (all times are UTC)
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| 03:04 | <alkisg> stretch-i386.img booted and logged in with the first try :)
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| 03:04 | The "username" field in LDM is too small, it cuts off part of the greek translation there...
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| 03:05 | "Όνομα χρήσ|τη:" ==> it's cut where I put the |
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| 03:06 | .....and it does have the shutdown issue :D
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| 03:07 | It's nice that systemd shows the messages in any vt
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| 03:12 | Stretch boots with 64MB clients as well...
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| 03:32 | vagrantc: for me, the cause of the 1.5 minute stalling at shutdown is caused by /etc/network/if-up.d/epoptes-client
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| 03:33 | This is because it's trying to relaunch itself (the automatic reconnection issue, it doesn't auto-detect shutdown on stretch for some reason)
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| 03:33 | When you were seeing that shutdown delay, did you also have epoptes-client installed?
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| 03:34 | I'll try to get this fixed in epoptes
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| 04:50 | <vagrantc> alkisg_away: i don't recall if i had it installed or not
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| 07:59 | <alkisg> Meh unfortunately when systemd sends the TERM signals, it still has runlevel=5
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| 15:26 | <alkisg> vagrantc: this should fix the 90 sec shutdown delay issue: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~epoptes/epoptes/trunk/revision/508
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| 15:38 | <vagrantc> alkisg: i think you'll actually want to check for /run/systemd instead of the presence of /bin/systemctl
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| 15:38 | alkisg: or rather, both.
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| 15:39 | i think that's the "proper" way to determine systemd is running.
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| 15:40 | systemctl may be installed even if another init system is running.
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| 15:40 | [ -d /run/systemd/system ] && [ -x /bin/systemctl ]
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| 15:43 | <alkisg> vagrantc: if systemd is installed but not running, that systemctl list-jobs command will return false, so it's ok I believe
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| 15:43 | There's an issue left, that we don't quit on shutdown of non-systemd installations, but that was OK so far, it's not a change in behavior...
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| 15:44 | <vagrantc> alkisg: it's just better to do a directory check, so as not to require calling the binary
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| 15:45 | directory checks are cheaper that calling binaries
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| 15:45 | <alkisg> It's just once per shutdown or disconnect, it's not that much of a performance hit...
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| 15:45 | <vagrantc> but it's so easy.
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| 15:45 | <alkisg> Hehe
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| 15:46 | <vagrantc> i mean, if it were incredible convoluted, that'd be one thing
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| 15:46 | * alkisg did google for a minute on how to detect if systemd was running or not, but didn't see that nice /run check in the first hits... | |
| 15:47 | <vagrantc> yeah, i've been looking for the official documentation on that ... when i had to fix ltspfs to support systemd, one of the debian systemd maintainers pointed me to it
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| 15:47 | but i don't recall where it was
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| 15:47 | <alkisg> Was /run always a volatile system? Aren't there cases where it's not completely cleared on boot?
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| 15:50 | <vagrantc> always.
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| 15:50 | the whole point of /run is that it's volatile and is reset at reboot
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| 15:50 | if it's not, it's broken
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| 16:27 | <alkisg> vagrantc: I pushed --overwrite the [ -d /run..
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| 16:27 | ...change, whenever you get the chance to test, see if it solves your shutdown issue
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| 16:30 | Btw, our screen scripts run too early under systemd, e.g. I first see SCREEN_02=shell, and *then* the target "sound card" is initialized
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| 16:40 | <vagrantc> alkisg: hmmm... need our scripts to run before login kicks in
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| 16:41 | otherwise tty0-tty6 fight for control
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| 17:53 | <alkisg> We could just replace the tty* scripts or the inittab entries or the upstart scripts with our own
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| 17:55 | <vagrantc> i tried figuring out how, but it looked a bit complicated
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| 17:55 | <alkisg> When everyone settles on systemd, we'll do it properly with systemd units, no worries
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| 17:55 | <vagrantc> i mean, i know how in sysv init, and upstart ... but systemd did some dynamic thing with the ttys ... which is actually kind of smart... but troublesome
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| 17:56 | if we implemented proper systemd unit files for it, it might e easier
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| 17:56 | <alkisg> I did find documentation on how to overwrite the dynamic ttys of systemd (although it was months ago, I don't have it handy)
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| 17:57 | And I think it was possible for us to do it dynamically as well
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| 17:57 | I.e. only start screen script 02 when the user switched to vt2
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| 18:00 | Although, if we start using lightdm, screen scripts might not be feasible... I don't know if we can start it in wherever vt we want, or in multiple vts
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| 18:04 | <vagrantc> yeah, some things will have to change
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