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Channel log from 15 March 2010 (all times are UTC)
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| 00:13 | <alkisg> While updating ltsp-server:
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| 00:13 | NOTE: you will probably want to add to /etc/exports:
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| 00:13 | /opt/ltsp *(ro,no_root_squash,async)
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| 00:13 | and then run:
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| 00:13 | invoke-rc.d nfs-kernel-server reload
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| 00:13 | Well, I'm not using an NFS chroot, so I guess I shouldn't be seeing that warning?
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| 00:24 | <johnny> sure.. but you can't set what type you're using from ltsp-build-client
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| 00:24 | i think your only recourse on ubuntu is by deleting the plugin
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| 00:25 | <alkisg> johnny: I just received an update, I didn't call ltsp-build-client...
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| 00:28 | <johnny> ah.. oops..
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| 00:28 | yeah.. package
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| 07:34 | <_UsUrPeR_> morning all
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| 07:37 | <wim_> Hi, I have 2 chroot environments (lenny and squeeze). Some Thin Clients are booting lenny other are booting squeeze.All lenny TC are booting fine. The problem is with the squeeze TC. The client booted and at the end an error shows up shortly "hostname: forward host lookup failed, resource temporary unavailable". The client boots further and the LDM login screen comes. After login a popup appears with "Enter the name of the host you want to login to".
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| 07:37 | After entering the hostname the first error appears again and I get the ldm screen again. Why is chroot lenny working fine and squeeze not (in the same server)? Any ideas, many thanks
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| 08:22 | <milledel> My server's broken. After an upgrade I can get to the LTSP logon screen but then it's won't authenticate -- just recycles back to the logon screen.
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| 08:23 | nevermind.
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| 08:23 | thks
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| 09:11 | <Gadi> alkisg: ping
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| 09:11 | <alkisg> pong
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| 09:12 | <Gadi> did you see my commit over the weekend?
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| 09:12 | <alkisg> Yup, but I didn't yet test it
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| 09:12 | <Gadi> ah ok, let me know if that works for you
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| 09:12 | * Gadi is going to be traveling for the next 2 weeks, so I will have intermittent access | |
| 09:13 | <alkisg> Hmmm I could tell you in a minute, I just updated with stgraber's ppa, hold on...
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| 09:13 | <Gadi> did stgraber update that?
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| 09:13 | <alkisg> I think so
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| 09:16 | <Gadi> cool. I didn't test for "flickerfree-ness" bec I am not 100% sure I know what that looks like (and also, I prefer stability first and flickerfree-ness second)
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| 09:16 | ;)
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| 09:20 | <alkisg> test #1, OK: SCREEN_02=shell SCREEN_10=shell SCREEN_11=ldm
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| 09:21 | btw, I wonder, does that new way also save memory?
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| 09:21 | I.e. if I never switch to SCREEN_02, do I save the bash memory?
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| 09:23 | test #2, FAILED on vbox: SCREEN_02=shell SCREEN_10=ldm SCREEN_11=shell
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| 09:23 | Gadi, I can't switch to vt10 in this case
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| 09:25 | It also failed on real hardware, i.e. I could not switch to vt10, but it also booted and left me on vt1 instead of vt11.
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| 09:25 | <Gadi> alkisg: when you switch, it may take 2 secs before the screen comes up
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| 09:25 | <alkisg> Yup, but that's not it
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| 09:25 | I can't switch at all
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| 09:26 | I'm left on the same vt...
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| 09:26 | <Gadi> boy, that's weird
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| 09:27 | <alkisg> test #3: half failure
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| 09:27 | <Gadi> in other words, it never inits the other vts?
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| 09:27 | <alkisg> SCREEN_02=shell SCREEN_05=ldm SCREEN_09=shell
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| 09:27 | In this case, it started on vt5
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| 09:27 | (I'd expect it to start to vt9)
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| 09:27 | Otherwise it worked
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| 09:27 | Gadi: it does init the command-line vts, but not ldm
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| 09:27 | <Gadi> are you sure my code is in there?
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| 09:27 | <alkisg> bzr1711
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| 09:27 | says stgraber...
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| 09:29 | <alkisg> I do have SCREEN_DEFAULT in /etc/init.d/ltsp-client-core
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| 09:29 | Gadi, keep in mind that something in lucid may be switching the active vt after our code is ran...
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| 09:30 | <Gadi> can you try removing the "-s" from the openvt line in screen_session?
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| 09:31 | <alkisg> Gadi: I tried to manually run openvt -c 10 /bin/bash
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| 09:31 | Then, I was able to switch to it
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| 09:31 | Then, ldm was started normally :)
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| 09:31 | (that's in test#2)
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| 09:32 | <Gadi> alternatively, it may be all that backgrounding of openvt stuff in screen_session which is unnecessary now
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| 09:35 | <alkisg> without the -s, I was left in vt1
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| 09:35 | <methril_work_> | |
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| 09:39 | <alkisg> Gadi, I wonder if we could move your waiting code to a wrapper,
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| 09:40 | i.e. `openvt -c tty wrapper_script screen_script`
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| 09:40 | That wrapper script would wait until the console is active, and _then_ it would call the screen_script (ldm or...)
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| 09:40 | <Gadi> alkisg: well, I suppose it could be a screen-session.d/ script
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| 09:40 | <alkisg> The difference in this case is that openvt happens before we switch to that vt
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| 09:41 | So I imagine that would solve my problem where I can't switch to the vt with ldm...
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| 09:43 | <Gadi> alkisg: alternatively, maybe screen_session should be called with openvt
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| 09:43 | I dunno
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| 09:44 | <alkisg> But which vt? we should move some code then
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| 09:44 | * alkisg wonders how does upstart fit in all of this... | |
| 09:44 | <Gadi> your tests definitely seem to suggest that before openvt is called, none of the other vt's are active
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| 09:44 | which is weird
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| 09:44 | <alkisg> The first 6 ones are
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| 09:45 | console-setup has a configuration file in which the default is tty[1-6]
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| 09:45 | <Gadi> oh!
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| 09:45 | <Gadi> clever....
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| 09:46 | <methril_work_> no clue about my question?
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| 09:46 | * Gadi votes we revert back to LTSP4's logical use of vt1 ;) | |
| 09:47 | <Gadi> methril_work_: are you talking about the rootfs or some other mount?
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| 09:47 | <methril_work_> rootfs
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| 09:48 | <Gadi> rootfs is shared, so it should always be read-only on the client
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| 09:48 | anything you write to should be in a tmpfs
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| 09:48 | or other writable mount
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| 09:48 | <methril_work_> but the mount at client show every mount as rw
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| 09:48 | <Gadi> that you mount later
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| 09:49 | methril_work_: what distro?
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| 09:49 | <methril_work_> | |
| 09:49 | debian
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| 09:49 | squeeze & lenny
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| 09:49 | <Gadi> and you don't get an error on the client if you do: touch /tmp/foo
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| 09:49 | ?
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| 09:49 | <methril_work_> no errors
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| 09:49 | <Gadi> it should tell you that its a read-only fs
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| 09:50 | <methril_work_> | |
| 09:50 | <Gadi> on the *client* (ie from a client shell session)
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| 09:50 | <methril_work_> yes on the client
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| 09:50 | <Gadi> not in a gnome-terminal window in your session
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| 09:51 | right?
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| 09:51 | <alkisg> What does `hostname` tell you on the client?
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| 09:51 | ltsp123 or your server name?
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| 09:51 | <methril_work_> | |
| 09:51 | in the client (ltsp client)
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| 09:51 | <alkisg> So if you type hostname, what do you get?
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| 09:52 | <methril_work_> reserva
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| 09:52 | (the ltsp client nam)
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| 09:52 | s/nam/name
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| 09:52 | <alkisg> Can you type `mount` and upload it in the pastebin?
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| 09:52 | <methril_work_> yes
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| 09:52 | <alkisg> (and maybe, cat /etc/fstab)...
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| 09:57 | <methril_work_> http://pastebin.com/EZb1ycys
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| 10:05 | <methril_work_> my server name is ltsp-server
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| 10:07 | <Gadi> methril_work_: when you "touch /foo" on the client, do you get an "/opt/ltsp/squeeze/foo" on the server?
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| 10:09 | <methril_work_> nop
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| 10:09 | the exports on the server is ro
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| 10:12 | <methril_work_> DEFAULT vmlinuz-2.6.32.9 ro initrd=initrd.img-2.6.32.9 root=/dev/nfs ip=dhcp nfsroot=192.168.1.1:/opt/ltsp/squeeze boot=n
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| 10:12 | fs verbose
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| 10:12 | bbl
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| 10:40 | <Gadi> alkisg: I am unable to reproduce your vt problems on my end
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| 10:40 | <alkisg> Gadi, so: if you put SCREEN_10=ldm and SCREEN_11=shell, what do you get?
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| 10:42 | <Gadi> shell
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| 10:44 | <alkisg> Gadi: and you can switch to vt10?
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| 10:44 | Karmic?
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| 10:44 | <Gadi> lucid
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| 10:44 | * alkisg shrugs | |
| 10:44 | <alkisg> I get it in a vbox client and in an ati client
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| 10:45 | Gadi, what do you have in pxelinux.cfg/default?
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| 10:45 | quiet splash?
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| 10:45 | <Gadi> yeah
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| 10:46 | let me rebuild a chroot
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| 10:46 | I think I have one from archive with just the two changes I made
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| 10:46 | and not the upstream one
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| 10:47 | oh wait
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| 10:47 | ur right
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| 10:47 | I can only switch between vt1 and vt11
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| 10:47 | but not to vt10
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| 10:51 | <alkisg> Yup
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| 10:52 | I think X needs the vt on the command line, or openvt before that
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| 10:52 | bbiab
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| 12:38 | <laron> I'm having trouble installing a firefox extension for my ltsp clients
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| 12:38 | this is what i'm doing
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| 12:39 | sudo cp ~/Desktop/my-extension.xpi /opt/ltsp/i386/tmp
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| 12:39 | sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386/tmp
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| 12:39 | sudo firefox -install-global-extensions my-extension.xpi
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| 12:40 | <alkisg> Wow, firefox supports a -install-global-extensions parameter?!
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| 12:40 | <vagrantc> if that's what you typed, the chroot command will most likely fail ...
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| 12:40 | <laron> why will the chroot command fail
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| 12:41 | <vagrantc> laron: because you should chroot to /opt/ltsp/i386
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| 12:41 | laron: not i386/tmp
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| 12:41 | <laron> im sorry
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| 12:41 | i did chroot i386/tmp
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| 12:41 | i mean i386/
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| 12:41 | i rebuild the image of course, then when i login to a client and open firefox, i get the error
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| 12:42 | install.rdb is not installed
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| 12:42 | not the exact ".rdb" extension
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| 12:42 | so its like it worked but this extension file is not allowing it to run
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| 12:43 | its install.rdf
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| 12:48 | i'll post any progress, otherwise let me know if anyone has a solution
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| 12:49 | or, how do you add extensions for all your clients who run firefox locally?
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| 12:50 | <johnny> the ones i want to add are already in the repo.. guess i'm lucky
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| 12:50 | apt-get install mozilla-firefox-adblock flashplugin-nonfree
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| 12:51 | <laron> ok
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| 12:52 | <johnny> otherwise.. i'd suggest searching the internet. or asking on the firefox/moz irc channel
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| 12:52 | <laron> ok, ill see what firefox/moz can offer
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| 13:08 | <alkisg> laron: does that work if you do it in a standalone workstation?
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| 13:11 | <laron> the installation of firefox -install-global-extensions my-extension.xpi does work when i install it on the server
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| 13:11 | i think the reason it is not working when i install it for my clients through chroot is because of a permission problem
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| 13:13 | <alkisg> laron: can you run it from a terminal to see any error messages?
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| 13:13 | (firefox)
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| 13:19 | <laron> logged as a client? or on the server?
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| 13:19 | <alkisg> On the client, from a local terminal
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| 13:19 | !localxterm
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| 13:19 | <ltspbot`> alkisg: "localxterm" :: while sitting on a thin client, open a gnome terminal. In that, run: ltsp-localapps xterm. An xterm will open. That xterm runs locally, so any commands you enter there are executed directly on the client.
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| 13:20 | <alkisg> Try to run firefox in that local terminal
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| 13:20 | <laron> ok
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| 13:20 | <vagrantc> or look in ~/.xsession-errors
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| 13:26 | <laron_> ok i get a ~/.pangorc permission denied
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| 13:37 | <laron_> any ideas?
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| 13:39 | i went and checked for .pangorc and found nothing
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| 13:40 | on the client or server. and i have the extension installed on the server
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| 13:53 | <laron_> alright, so the extension i'm trying to install for all of my clients is "telify" it converts number on the web into clickable skype links.... im getting nowhere
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| 14:06 | <jammcq> hellooooo
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| 14:09 | <CAN-o-SPAM> hi jammcq
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| 14:09 | <jammcq> hey CAN-o-SPAM
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| 14:18 | <laron_> what is the easiest way to install firefox, as a localapp, extensions for my clients
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| 14:22 | <johnny> chroot /path
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| 14:22 | apt-get install mozilla-firefox
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| 14:22 | err apt-get install firefox
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| 14:22 | didn't we already go over this?
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| 14:22 | and then apt-get install <packaged extension>
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| 14:22 | you're gonna have to ask somewhere else for the cli switched to install unpackaged extensions tho
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| 14:23 | like in the firefox/moz channel
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| 14:23 | <laron_> yes we did, im double checking. i just tried installing an extension that is in the repository, and no luck there either
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| 14:25 | yet, chroot /opt/ltsp/i386
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| 14:25 | firefox
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| 14:25 | works, showing the installed extensions
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| 14:28 | <johnny> is it possible you're not actually launching ifrefox as a local app?
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| 14:28 | and running the server firefox?
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| 14:28 | run it on one of your clients.. make sure it indicates yo'ure running it as a local apps
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| 14:28 | by showing up in the ps list.. or perhaps even in the title bar
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| 14:31 | <laron_> looks like that might be the problem. nothing saying "on ..ltsp"
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| 14:49 | <laron_> nope, thats not the problem
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| 14:53 | <johnny> laronwell? is it running on the server? or client?
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| 14:53 | the ps list won't lie
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| 14:55 | <laron_> laron 21505 1.2 11.0 199216 34680 ? Sl 14:23 0:23 /usr/lib/firefox-3.5.8/firefox
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| 14:55 | that ps from the server
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| 14:57 | once i install it in chroot /opt/ltsp/i386, does the client need access to the internet to finish the install once they log in?
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| 15:13 | <methril_work_> someone knows how to put the desired resolution for new kernel mode setting?
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| 16:53 | <epaphus2> hello all. is it possible to intercept a thin client session based on ltsp for the purpose of seeing what users have on their screen?
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| 16:53 | <johnny> italc
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| 16:53 | which isn't based on ltsp
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| 16:53 | but runs alongside ltsp
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| 16:54 | !italc
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| 16:54 | <ltspbot`> johnny: "italc" :: http://italc.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php?title=ITALC_in_a_ThinClient_environment
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| 16:54 | <epaphus2> ohh it runs alongside with ltsp? excellent///
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| 16:54 | <johnny> sbalneav, can you add a factoid linking your ppa, and why it should be used
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| 16:56 | <alkisg> !learn sbalneav-ppa as sbalneav's ppa is at https://launchpad.net/~sbalneav/+archive/ppa and contains updated or backported versions for sabayon, ltsp-docs, gartoon, and others.
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| 16:56 | <ltspbot`> alkisg: The operation succeeded.
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| 19:15 | <moldy> hi
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