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Channel log from 18 December 2009 (all times are UTC)
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| 04:52 | <noob1> hi
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| 04:54 | i am still trying to figure out how to bridge 2 NIC...
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| 04:56 | <Appiah> ?
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| 04:56 | and the docs for that dist says what?
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| 04:57 | <noob1> ?
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| 04:57 | i have 2nics and most docs show an example of ONE NIC, i am not familiar with networking so i am kinda lost
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| 04:58 | <Appiah> I see
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| 04:59 | <noob1> am i trying to set up 1 bridge? or 2 bridge?
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| 04:59 | <Appiah> are you asking me? :)
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| 04:59 | <noob1> yeah...
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| 04:59 | <Appiah> no idea
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| 04:59 | <noob1> doh
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| 04:59 | <Appiah> Dont even know why are making a bridge
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| 04:59 | or what your network topology looks like
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| 04:59 | <noob1> oh
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| 04:59 | <Appiah> and I dont think I will be able to help you with it either
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| 05:00 | <noob1> i have a windows guest OS
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| 05:20 | <cyberorg> noob1, this may help figure it out http://en.opensuse.org/LTSP/Configuration/Network
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| 05:20 | <Alocado> hi
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| 05:21 | <noob1> thanks
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| 05:21 | <Alocado> where does a ltsp client start its x instance?
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| 05:22 | <noob1> but will be more appreciated if i know if i am trying to set up 1 bridge or 2 bridge for NIC, as i am still not familiar what a bridge is
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| 05:22 | with my virtual guest OS
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| 06:15 | <Appiah> Alocado: what do you mean?
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| 06:16 | <Alocado> which script uses the X_MODE_0 var from lts.conf?
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| 06:18 | <Appiah> O_o
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| 06:19 | is it not working or..?
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| 06:20 | <Alocado> i'm trying to start xserver directly on the client for n own kiosk mode (the ltsp-build-client --kiosk doesn't work)
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| 06:20 | but it always starts X with 800x600
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| 06:20 | <Appiah> put your lts.conf on pastebin
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| 06:20 | and show it
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| 06:23 | <Alocado> http://nopaste.info/8e3e1342ec.html
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| 06:24 | <Appiah> dont see CONFIGURE_X = True
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| 06:24 | think you need that or else X settings gets ignored
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| 06:26 | <Alocado> ah, ok, i'll try that
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| 06:29 | no difference..
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| 06:39 | <Appiah> where did you put it?
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| 06:40 | <Alocado> default section
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| 06:41 | <Appiah> try setting the X_MODE directly under the mac address
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| 06:41 | section
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| 06:42 | then check your /var/log/Xorg.0.log on the client
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| 07:40 | <nobios> having trouble with ltsp5, I'm using the same machine that works with 4 but after the kernel image download and before the kernel message appears it stops responding. It only has 256 mb of ram.
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| 07:53 | <noob2> how do i know if the bridge i set up is working?
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| 07:55 | <nobios> trying to access the other side?
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| 07:56 | <mgariepy> good morning everybody
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| 07:58 | <nobios> morning
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| 07:58 | <noob2> i am trying to bridge my virtual machine... it does not connect, but i already modified the interface file... and i can boot up my clients, so trying to find out where the point of failure is
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| 08:10 | <alkisg> noob2: if that's a KVM problem, why don't you try in #kvm or in #ubuntu-server or somewhere more appropriate?
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| 08:17 | <noob2> hmm
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| 08:17 | i am not sure if it is a kvm problem or not yet
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| 08:18 | so, if i can test and know it's not a ltsp problem
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| 08:24 | <alkisg> noob2: well, just try to ping the server on its IP addresses
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| 08:25 | If it answers, then it's OK. If it doesn't, your bridges weren't setup correctly.
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| 08:26 | <noob2> so i can ping the ltsp ping server from the xterm?
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| 08:28 | do i ping the eth of the server? or the bridge of ther server?
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| 08:28 | <alkisg> Sure, either from the xterm or from another PC, you don't *have* to try it from an ltsp client...
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| 08:28 | What do you get with `ifconfig -a` on the server?
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| 08:29 | <noob2> from a client terminal
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| 08:29 | <alkisg> From a client gnome-terminal
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| 08:29 | <noob2> i get a br1, a eth0 a eth1 lo and virbr0
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| 08:29 | oh an a vnet
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| 08:30 | <alkisg> Yeah, upload the output to pastebot
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| 08:31 | <noob2> ok
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| 08:32 | http://ltsp.pastebin.com/m192a2ccf
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| 08:32 | <alkisg> What's the windows server IP? (with ipconfig inside it)
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| 08:33 | <noob2> 192.168.122.133
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| 08:35 | <alkisg> And the second windows server IP?
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| 08:35 | (the second IP, not the second server...)
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| 08:35 | <noob2> hmm
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| 08:35 | let me paste it
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| 08:35 | hold on
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| 08:36 | <noob1> hmm cant paste
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| 08:37 | <noob1> but i have a Local area 3 169.254.93.29
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| 08:37 | tunnel adapter isatap disconnected
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| 08:37 | local area connection 11 disconected
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| 08:38 | another isatap disconnected
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| 08:39 | <Appiah> ...
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| 08:40 | so this is a virtualmachine right?
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| 08:40 | <noob2> yes
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| 08:40 | <Appiah> does this virtual machine application not have virutal switches?
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| 08:40 | <noob2> i am not really sure what's happening... i am completely clueless
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| 08:40 | what's a virtual switch
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| 08:41 | thank god i dont do this for a living...
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| 08:41 | <Appiah> well you should look up on howto network in that virtualmachine
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| 08:41 | application*
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| 08:41 | <alkisg> noob2: if you can't manage kvm, why don't you use e.g. virtualbox? It would make things much easier for you.
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| 08:41 | <Appiah> Vmware? KVM? qemu? Virtualbox
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| 08:42 | <noob2> i am using kvm
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| 08:42 | with virt-manager
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| 08:42 | well, as of right now, i am not sure what to test to pin the point of failure
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| 08:42 | <alkisg> noob2: with virtualbox, you just select the interface on which the virtual nic will be bridged, and you're done.
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| 08:42 | <noob2> ie, i am not sure if it's my ubuntu setting that's messed up or if it's my vm that's messed up
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| 08:43 | <Appiah> well its hard to tell when you dont 1) know your virtualization software 2) dont now your dist
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| 08:43 | makes it kind of hard for us to help you
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| 08:43 | <alkisg> In any case, your problem is definately not LTSP :) (I'm just mentioning this so that you try to ask for help in appropriate places...)
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| 08:43 | <noob2> i am using KVM/virt-manager on ubuntu 9.10
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| 08:44 | <Appiah> well what I mean with "know" is that you dont seam experinced in either (no offence)
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| 08:44 | <noob2> no offence taken
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| 08:44 | but i have to start somewhere
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| 08:44 | <Appiah> but like alkisg said you should verify how make a bridge with your software (KVM)
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| 08:45 | then follow that troubleshoot to verify that its actully working
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| 08:45 | then move onto LTSP
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| 08:45 | <noob2> i am at the troubleshoot part
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| 08:45 | <Appiah> btw why are you making this bridge?
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| 08:45 | <noob2> i must say, the guides on bridging on ltsp is not fool proof =)
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| 08:45 | <Appiah> there's a guide for that? link please
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| 08:46 | <noob2> hmm...
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| 08:46 | let me see, i might be mistaken =)
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| 08:46 | my bad... ubuntu's guide..
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| 08:47 | getting no answer from virt channel...
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| 08:48 | <Appiah> so what are you trying to bridge? two virtual machines?
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| 08:48 | <noob2> but since you're using virtualbox, i actually tested it... but it's very unresoponsive after i need to do a ctrl+alt+del and go to the login of my guess... which is why i gave up on it
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| 08:49 | i was tell alisg yesterday that i am trying to have my clients automatically rdesktop on boot to my OS
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| 08:50 | btw, i am doing this as a hobby, so do not worry, i am not scamming some employer on it
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| 08:50 | <Appiah> :D
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| 08:51 | <alkisg> I could help on vbox (it works fine for me), but I've no idea about kvm.
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| 08:51 | <noob2> hmm... i guess it would not hurt if i migrated to vbox...
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| 08:51 | <Appiah> so you have LTSP installed where? and where is this client that should auto rdesktop to somewhere?
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| 08:51 | <noob2> installed at home
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| 08:52 | client on my dad's pc
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| 08:52 | he always manages to break windows
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| 08:52 | then i have to spend one day and one night backingup stuff, reformat ...etc
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| 08:52 | <Appiah> so you want a LTSP server at home
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| 08:52 | <noob2> figure this way will be easier once i have a small little network at home
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| 08:52 | <Appiah> and have him run a terminal client?
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| 08:52 | <noob2> yep
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| 08:52 | <Appiah> where does the rdesktop come in?
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| 08:53 | <noob2> he only knows windows...
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| 08:53 | he wants msn..
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| 08:53 | and in asia, a lot of online sites are explorer dependant
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| 08:54 | <Appiah> so you got windows running in virtualmachine ...
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| 08:54 | and want him to pxeboot of the server , rdp to the virtualmachine?
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| 08:54 | <noob2> yep
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| 08:54 | windows is working now as the guess
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| 08:55 | <Appiah> I see
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| 08:55 | intressting setup
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| 08:56 | <noob2> well... u dun even know...
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| 08:56 | <Appiah> shouldnt be that hard , I could configure that in Virtualbox ... no idea on howto on KVM thought =/
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| 08:56 | <noob2> it's like after a long day of work,
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| 08:56 | i go home, and my dad goes... my windows is broken.....
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| 08:56 | <Appiah> but I'd be running the Virtualbox Guest in NAT mode and then portforward to the server, having it run headless
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| 08:57 | <Syntony> hello
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| 08:57 | <noob2> hmm...
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| 08:57 | <Syntony> i have a simple question
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| 08:57 | <noob2> is virtbox that much better than kvm?
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| 08:57 | <Appiah> noob2: well... from my experince yes :D I have not used much KVM so its not a fair opinion
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| 08:57 | <noob2> hmm...
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| 08:57 | <Appiah> KVM is good for servers I'd guess... Virtualbox is more common in Desktop use
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| 08:57 | <Syntony> can someone tell, if the newest LTSP-Version is crypted?
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| 08:57 | <Appiah> " crypted" ?
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| 08:58 | <Syntony> yeah
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| 08:58 | <Appiah> what is that?
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| 08:58 | <Syntony> SSL or TSL?
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| 08:58 | <Appiah> encrypted..
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| 08:58 | LTSP uses SSH
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| 08:58 | <noob2> well... i majored comp sci about 10 years ago.... so i have this mentalitly to get it done be4 i move on...
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| 08:59 | <Syntony> oh sorry i mean encrypted :D
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| 08:59 | hehe
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| 08:59 | <Appiah> :)
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| 08:59 | <Syntony> sorry my english is not so good
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| 08:59 | <Appiah> np :)
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| 08:59 | Well LTSP uses SSH so I hope that answers your question
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| 08:59 | <Syntony> hmm...but...u say ltsp use ssh...
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| 09:00 | also,...every thin client do a ssh-session to the ltsp-server?
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| 09:01 | <Appiah> "the client first builds an SSH tunnel to the LTSP server's X environment, through which it will start the LDM login manager (on the LTSP server). From this point forward, all programs are started on the LTSP server, but displayed and operated from the client."
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| 09:01 | from wikipedia
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| 09:01 | <noob2> so are you guys running this as a hobby or are you guys like do this for a living?
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| 09:01 | <Appiah> hobby and work
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| 09:01 | <Syntony> alright...thank u :)
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| 09:02 | <Appiah> I hope to do more LTSP setups (along with other opensource applications/solutions)
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| 09:02 | mostly do M$ stuff around this company O_o
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| 09:04 | <noob2> oh
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| 09:04 | well... if i do really like this hobby, i will do a startup
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| 09:04 | lol, but as of right now, i am a looOOoOOoOong way from it..
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| 09:05 | by the time i pick this up... google will probably beat me to this idea
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| 09:05 | <Appiah> :)
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| 09:06 | If I were to do something like that I woulndt use LTSP honestly
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| 09:06 | <noob2> oh well...
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| 09:07 | does not matter as of yet,
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| 09:07 | <Appiah> I would put in a PE on the PC's disk and have it RDP to the virtualmachine on startup
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| 09:07 | <noob2> main thing is to get something up, without worrying about a lawsuit
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| 09:07 | <Appiah> a ltsp setup just for getting 1 client to boot feels liketo much
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| 09:07 | <noob2> why go that way?
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| 09:08 | well like i said... a hobby w/ a long term dream
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| 09:08 | anyways, this guide is telling me to disable dhcdbd...
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| 09:08 | would it affect my clients
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| 09:08 | <Appiah> "dhcdbd provides a dbus interface to dhclient allowing applications such as Networkmanager to query the state of and control interfaces."
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| 09:09 | it will affect the OS that your disabling
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| 09:09 | <noob2> wow, you are like a walking dictionary
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| 09:10 | <Appiah> I'm fast with my browser!
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| 09:10 | I had to look it up myself since I had no idea of dhcdbd
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| 09:10 | <noob2> lol
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| 09:10 | <Appiah> just dbus stuff for dhclient (dhcp client)
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| 09:11 | well now I got a bunch of stuff to do \o
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| 09:30 | <noob1> u guys in the US?
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| 10:20 | <jammcq> helloooooo
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| 12:21 | <caroline_> hi
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| 12:21 | I have a question that I'm hoping someone might be able to help me with.
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| 12:22 | I am working with a school that has diskless ltsp.org workstations.
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| 12:22 | We'd like to enable to hardware to boot locally from a USB with a bootable Linux (in this case Sugar).
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| 12:22 | Is it theoretically possible to boot one of these diskless workstations from an USB?
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| 12:25 | <alkisg1> Just wondering, what are the client specs? (ram, mostly?)
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| 12:26 | <caroline_> I have no idea
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| 12:26 | They were purchased long before I was n the scene.
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| 12:26 | <alkisg1> Which model are they?
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| 12:26 | <Gadi> caroline_: look in the BIOS
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| 12:27 | <caroline_> Product name TK_3350
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| 12:27 | <Gadi> caroline_: almost definitely yes
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| 12:27 | <caroline_> ah very cool :)
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| 12:27 | <Gadi> you may only need to adjust the BIOS setting
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| 12:27 | <caroline_> what does the product name tell you?
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| 12:28 | <sbalneav> Morning all
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| 12:28 | <caroline_> actually it started the boto from USB then failed which made me hopeful. With this input I will continue to try to debug.
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| 12:28 | <Gadi> caroline_: it tells me it is probably one of DLW's more recent thin clients - all of which have USB boot capability in the BIOS
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| 12:28 | <alkisg1> Some specs I found on the net say SDRAM = 64 MB. If that's the deal, you won't be able to do much with them, other than LTSP clients...
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| 12:29 | <caroline_> I just didn't want to do it if it the hardware was such that it was known inpossible.
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| 12:29 | <alkisg1> Do you see some letters after TK-3550? E.g. CE/LX/XP ?
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| 12:29 | Hi sbalneav
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| 12:30 | <Gadi> caroline_: define "fail"
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| 12:30 | <caroline_> So Sugar only got to the first Fedora boot screen, I'm thinking I should try unbuntu next and see if that works better?
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| 12:30 | Sugar Fedora
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| 12:30 | <Gadi> the most common failure, if it does begin to boot is video driver autodetection
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| 12:31 | yeah, try a different distro
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| 12:31 | they may detect different drivers
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| 12:31 | or give you an option to choose appropriate ones
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| 12:31 | when in doubt, choose "vesa" and see if it goes all the way through
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| 12:32 | <alkisg1> Gadi, will it boot with just 64 MB RAM?
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| 12:32 | <Gadi> alkisg1: I dont think DLW has sold anything with 64MB RAM
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| 12:32 | <alkisg1> OK
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| 12:32 | <Gadi> but, the boot screen should show her that much
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| 12:32 | :)
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| 12:33 | _UsUrPeR_: jump in at any time
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| 12:33 | :)
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| 12:35 | <caroline_> plugging it into a monitor and keyboard now and I'll try to get to the BIOS
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| 12:38 | Base Memory 640 K
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| 12:38 | Extnded Memory 121856K
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| 12:41 | <caroline_> So 122MB? that does seem pretty low.
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| 12:41 | <Gadi> well, 128MB chip
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| 12:41 | but, yeah - sounds right
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| 12:42 | you may want to beef that up for better performance
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| 12:42 | thin clients dont need much memory - but PCs do
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| 12:43 | <caroline_> do you think there is a slot to add memory?
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| 12:43 | <Gadi> you are probably a screwdriver away from finding out
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| 12:43 | :)
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| 12:44 | <caroline_> :)
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| 12:46 | searching for screwdriver now
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| 12:51 | <mgariepy> dmidecode would probably tell you is there is an empty slot too ;)
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| 12:52 | <caroline_> looks to me like there is only one slot
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| 12:52 | where do I find the dmidecode
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| 12:55 | <Gadi> caroline_: should you have succeded in booting your liveUSB, you would then be able to find dmidecode on it
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| 12:55 | <caroline_> ah, chicken and egg :)
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| 12:55 | <Gadi> caroline_: so, in your case, no it would not work - you need the screwdriver
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| 12:55 | :)
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| 12:55 | <caroline_> I have it open
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| 12:55 | <Gadi> you can probably replace the 128MB chip with a 512MB chip
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| 12:55 | <alkisg> You could also boot it as an LTSP client, and run dmidecode locally...
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| 12:55 | <Gadi> and be good to go
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| 12:55 | <caroline_> yeah
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| 12:56 | <mgariepy> dmidecode when the system is booted with ltsp is woring fine ;) hehe
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| 12:56 | <Gadi> you all make the assumption that she still has LTSP
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| 12:56 | :)
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| 12:56 | seems she is repurposing these clients
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| 12:57 | <alkisg> And you made the assumption that she had a screwdriver :P :D
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| 12:57 | <mgariepy> haha
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| 12:57 | <Gadi> well - a rock would do the same job
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| 12:57 | :)
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| 12:57 | <alkisg> muwahaha
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| 12:57 | :D
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| 12:57 | <caroline_> right I am not where the server is nor was the server working when I was there.
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| 12:57 | <mgariepy> for the opening. not so much when she would need to close it up..
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| 12:58 | <caroline_> I'm doing great actually.
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| 12:58 | How do I figure out what sort of 512 RAM to buy?
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| 12:58 | <johnny> lshw ..
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| 12:59 | i installed lshw in the chroot and ran that and got an html report
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| 12:59 | <alkisg> caroline_: why don't you write DSL or something like that in a usb stick?
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| 12:59 | <johnny> sent that to freegeek
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| 12:59 | waiting for some ram :)
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| 12:59 | <caroline_> It says 128 MB PC-133 is PC-133 the code I need?
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| 12:59 | the DSL USB is a good idea
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| 12:59 | <johnny> yes..
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| 13:00 | pc-133 isn't easy to buy these days.. probalby need to use ebay
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| 13:00 | <caroline_> http://www.amazon.com/CenDyne-512MB-64x64-PC-133-168-Pin/dp/B002MXRKUG
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| 13:00 | <caroline_> $16 bucks not bad :)
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| 13:01 | $40 at Microcenter but I could get it today...
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| 13:01 | http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0264176
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| 13:01 | <caroline_> does that look right?
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| 13:01 | <Gadi> do you know what kind of ram it uses?
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| 13:01 | I doubt it is PC133
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| 13:02 | most likely DDR or DDR2
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| 13:02 | I would pull out the chip that's on there (unplugging the power cable first!) and search the model number on the RAM chip
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| 13:02 | that will tell you the type of RAM
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| 13:02 | <caroline_> it says PC-133 and it the notches look the same.
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| 13:03 | <Gadi> huh
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| 13:03 | ok
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| 13:03 | I sit corrected
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| 13:03 | :)
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| 13:03 | <caroline_> why are you suprised? because its an old type?
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| 13:03 | (and yeah I did unplug it before I took a screwdriver to it! ;)
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| 13:04 | <Gadi> yeah - I thought the board was a newer one
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| 13:04 | shouldnt impact you a great deal
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| 13:08 | <caroline_> I guess this means these boxes are fairly old.
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| 13:08 | which i think is true.
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| 13:09 | thank you all for your help! Good progress :)
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| 13:09 | <sbalneav> Gadi: If you're going to be corrected, at least STAND for it, you lazy so-and-so.
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| 13:10 | <Gadi> this is interesting - supposedly this NAS device interface runs on port 2000
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| 13:10 | gee - port 2000 sounds familiar
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| 13:10 | :)
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| 13:13 | <alkisg> Yeah we should someday change that one...
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| 13:16 | <Gadi> of course, its not like these guys were worried about conflicting with sieve or with cisco's softphone manager
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| 13:16 | :)
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| 17:20 | <nobios> hi there, anyone with some knowledge about local driver in ltsp 4.2? I'm using ubuntu 9.10 and everything seems ok, but the drives won't show in ~/Drives
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| 17:21 | <Appiah> isnt that LTSP 5?
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| 17:21 | on ubuntu 9.10
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| 17:24 | <nobios> ltsp 5 didn't work with my old machines
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| 17:26 | ltspfs error is: No matches found, authority file "-" not written
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| 17:33 | <Ahmuck> http://www.foxconnchannel.com/product/Barebones/NT330i/index.html - beauty in a box
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| 20:45 | <sbalneav> Evening all
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| 21:01 | <stgraber> hey sbalneav
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| 21:06 | <noob1> i think my bridge is working now =)
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| 21:10 | is it normal for my auto rdesktop screen to flash back into the pxe boot screen about 1 s every 20 seconds?
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