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Channel log from 28 November 2007 (all times are UTC)
| 00:08 | <scrapbunny> guess i did and everyone else is asleep, i'll try again later
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| 00:11 | <snazm> It might be X
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| 00:11 | Memory leaks
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| 00:12 | <scrapbunny> where would i check and fix that?
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| 00:12 | <snazm> If you kill and restart the X server after it slows down does it come back as normal?
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| 00:12 | Well see how much memory it's using
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| 00:12 | It will creep up over time
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| 00:12 | Even with all apps closed it will still use a lot
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| 00:13 | <snazm> Kill it with Ctrl+Alt+Backspace (NOT delete)
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| 00:14 | A new one should spawn after that
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| 00:16 | <scrapbunny> i need to do that on the server or can i do it from a client?
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| 00:17 | <sutula> scrapbunny: Client
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| 00:18 | <snazm> The X terminology is back to front to what most people expect
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| 00:18 | The client runs the server
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| 00:18 | It's from the point of view of how the application sees things
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| 00:20 | Anyway good luck
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| 00:20 | I'm heading off for a bit
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| 00:20 | Laters
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| 00:20 | <scrapbunny> i will try to tomorrow and see if that helps. should i have to do that often?
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| 04:32 | <Joris_> ogra: hi :)
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| 04:33 | <ogra> hey
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| 04:33 | <Joris_> my clients are requestig RRQ from 192.168.0.61 filename /ltsp/i386/boot/pxelinux.0\377 and RRQ from 192.168.0.76 filename /ltsp/i386/boot/pxelinux.0
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| 04:34 | which are both not found, as there is no boot in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/
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| 04:34 | boot/ directory, that is
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| 04:36 | I have now symlinked boot to it's parent dir
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| 04:37 | will try if that works, but I don't know where that path came from..
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| 04:38 | <ogra> fix your dhcpd.conf :)
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| 04:38 | instead of wildly symlinking :)
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| 04:59 | <Joris_> ogra: it comes from dhcpd?
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| 04:59 | <ogra> dhcpd's filename directive is all that counts here, yes
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| 05:00 | <Joris_> right. very logical.
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| 05:01 | <Joris_> I really wonder how I came to have everything in /opt ...
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| 05:01 | I'll test and let you know- thanks once again
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| 06:41 | <alkisg> Hi, anyone knows how to change the ldm (login screen) locale on the *clients* (Edubuntu Gutsy, LTSP 5) ?
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| 06:42 | I've been searching for more that a week for this, but nothing that I tried worked.
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| 06:45 | Last thing I tried was: ltsp-build-client --locale el_GR.UTF-8 and after a while it ended with the message "LTSP client installation ended abnormally"
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| 06:47 | <ogra> redo it then ...
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| 06:47 | after it finished properly do:
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| 06:47 | sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 locale-gen el_GR.UTF-8
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| 06:48 | ten edit /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/environment and run ltsp-update-image
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| 06:48 | does your server use a different locale from el_GR.UTF-8 ?
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| 06:48 | <alkisg> no
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| 06:49 | <ogra> usually ltsp-build-client will just copy over the locale settings of the server by default
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| 06:49 | <alkisg> Thanks Oliver, I'll try these and report in 5 minutes
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| 06:49 | <ogra> you should also see the ltsp-build-client messages in this language
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| 06:50 | <alkisg> Do you have any foresight on when teacher-screen-broadcasting will be available in the student-control-panel? :)
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| 06:50 | <ogra> we're about to switch to (a sanitized version of) iTalc
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| 06:51 | that offers similar functionallity but isnt restricted to ltsp
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| 06:52 | <alkisg> Nice!!! I was thinking of starting a project for x-session sharing, that would do the same thing without depending on vnc...
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| 06:52 | <ogra> that wouldnt be vers secure though :)
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| 06:52 | *very
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| 06:53 | <stgraber> What I like with iTalc is that we no longer have to do the devel work ourselves :), we just patch upstream + send patches back to upstream (for those he wants to include)
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| 06:53 | Upstream is also responsive which wasn't really the case with TCM
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| 06:53 | <alkisg> locale-gen: reports up-to-date, environment is ok (el_GR) and I've done an ltsp-update-image in the morning. Still ldm shows english text. :(
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| 06:54 | After login everything is OK, the problem is only on ldm..
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| 06:55 | <stgraber> alkisg: if you log on a client in the console and run a "standard" command, is the output translated ?
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| 06:56 | <ogra> stgraber, well, there was no upstream in TCM the last release
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| 06:56 | i only cared to make it build and install but didnt do much to the cod
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| 06:56 | e
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| 06:56 | <alkisg> stgraber, Yes, it is in greek. Some font problems in the full console but otherwise ok
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| 06:56 | <stgraber> ok, so maybe there is just no greek translation for ldm ...
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| 06:57 | <ogra> there is no translation at all in gutsys ldm
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| 06:57 | <alkisg> Well, I'd be damned! It should be obvious... Can I translate it?
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| 06:57 | <ogra> the menu probably ...
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| 06:58 | <johnny> ogra, you suggested finding the old processes and working my way down the tree, but i don't exactly know how to do that
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| 06:58 | <ogra> well, you need to poke at the sourcecode .... sicne gutsy ldm is in C
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| 06:58 | <stgraber> ogra: funny, I see a pot/ dir with .pot and german .po there, so they are just not used ?
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| 06:58 | <alkisg> ogra, .po files? Or directly editing the source?
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| 06:58 | <stgraber> ogra: scotts-gutsy bzr branch that is
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| 07:00 | <alkisg> Nevermind, I don't want to take anymore of your time, since it isn't a configuration option I'll look at the source code. Thank you very much, and keep up the good work! :)
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| 07:12 | <ogra> stgraber, nope, there is no gettext integration in the code ...
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| 07:29 | <alkisg> ogra, no gettext: is it possible to use kdm on the clients? Or I'll get into trouble with XDMCP etc?
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| 07:29 | <ogra> you wont have sound or local devices
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| 07:30 | but beyond that XDMCP will work
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| 07:30 | <alkisg> I don't mind about that.
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| 07:30 | But I tried it, and it didn't start X.
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| 07:30 | <ogra> use SCREEN_07=startx
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| 07:30 | and make sure XDMCP is eabled on the servers DM
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| 07:30 | <alkisg> I don't have to install it on the chroot?
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| 07:30 | <ogra> nope
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| 07:30 | it sends a query to the server
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| 07:31 | <alkisg> OK, that took me about 2 days... :(
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| 07:31 | <ogra> note that all password communication will happen in plain text on the network, everyone can read them
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| 07:31 | <alkisg> It's a small town school, I don't mind about security! Thanks! :)
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| 08:02 | <MRH2> hi anyone know status of centos-5 integration or if there are plans for updated tarballs?
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| 08:05 | <ogra> MRH2, there are no tarballs yet
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| 08:05 | * ogra just created the set of first pre release tarballs for ubuntu, but there are no fedora commits in the tree yet | |
| 08:06 | <MRH2> ok cool - thanks!
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| 08:06 | <ogra> MRH2, warren will commit his work soon i guess
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| 08:08 | <MRH2> ok now i just have to go find a sandwich
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| 08:09 | thanks
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| 08:17 | <ogra> !localdev
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| 08:17 | <ltspbot> ogra: "localdev" is (#1) Information regarding using pluggable devices and cdroms with LTSP can be found at http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LTSP-42-LocalDev, or (#2) for ubuntu: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EnableLTSP5LocalDevices, or (#3) for debian-edu: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/HowTo/LocalDeviceLtspfs, or (#4) http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebugLocalDev
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| 08:41 | <ogra> vagrantc, hey
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| 08:42 | https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/hardy-changes/2007-November/002281.html :)
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| 08:42 | vagrantc, we need make mkdist autom4te.cache ....
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| 08:42 | my archive admins refused to let it though ... so i guess debians will complain as well
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| 08:44 | <Guaraldo> sbalneav: Will you come to FislIX next year?
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| 08:44 | <ogra> err
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| 08:44 | *we need to make mkdist delete autom4te.cache
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| 08:47 | Guaraldo, i was actually planning to come with some ubuntu folks ... but then it turned out that Fisl is *again* in the release week of ubuntu where nobody can leave :/
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| 08:47 | <vagrantc> ogra: sure
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| 08:47 | <ogra> (sbalneav even clearified with my boss that i can go ... not sure about his own plans though)
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| 08:48 | vagrantc, and apparently you re-introduced a ftbfs i had fixed in the ubuntu tree
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| 08:48 | you want to change ltsp-nbd in ltsp-client-core.install to ltsp_nbd
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| 08:49 | that migth strike you as well
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| 08:49 | intrestingly it built fine in pbuilder
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| 08:49 | which i cant explain
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| 08:49 | <vagrantc> ogra: ltsp-nbd doesn't work with the version of initramfs-tools in debian
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| 08:50 | <ogra> vagrantc, the script name in .install is still wrong :)
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| 08:50 | <vagrantc> ogra: only on ubuntu :P
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| 08:50 | <ogra> so if you install it it needs fixing
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| 08:50 | ah, k
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| 08:51 | <vagrantc> ogra: the ltsp-nbd -> ltsp_nbd change is the ftbfs, or is it something else?
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| 08:52 | <ogra> nope
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| 08:52 | only ltsp-nbd -> ltsp_nbd
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| 08:52 | <vagrantc> ok
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| 08:52 | <ogra> and i dont understand why my pbuilder didnt break on it as well
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| 08:52 | <vagrantc> ogra: you'll probably want to review the changes in the debian dir ...
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| 08:53 | <ogra> well, i built it for now ... lets see how it behaves once its in the archive
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| 08:53 | i'm also curious if i can just sync your ltspfs package
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| 08:54 | would save me some work
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| 08:54 | <vagrantc> ogra: there are differences in packaging we disagreed on ... like how to handle the udev rules
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| 08:54 | i don't remember what all else
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| 08:54 | <ogra> ah, indeed, the broken debian udev :P
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| 08:55 | <vagrantc> ogra: http://llama.freegeek.org/~vagrant/bzr/ltspfs/vagrant-ltspfs/ and http://llama.freegeek.org/~vagrant/bzr/ltspfs/vagrant-ltspfs-debian-packaging
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| 09:08 | <vagrantc> warren: have you managed to upload the latest and greatest mkdst yet?
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| 09:09 | <warren> vagrantc, soon, on phone rigt now
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| 09:10 | vagrantc, do you know the bzr URL I need to upload to my new mkdst project?
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| 09:10 | <ogra> warren, you dont have a bzr branch in the project yet, right ?
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| 09:10 | <warren> ogra, none
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| 09:12 | <ogra> bzr push bzr+ssh://$USER@bazaar.launchpad.net/~$TEAM/$PRODUCT/$BRANCHNAME
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| 09:12 | so in your case
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| 09:12 | oh, wait you dont ahve a team, do you ?
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| 09:13 | <warren> ogra, i used ltsp-upstream as a team
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| 09:13 | <ogra> ok
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| 09:13 | use that then in the commit
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| 09:13 | <warren> still on phone
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| 09:13 | what is a typical main tree name?
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| 09:13 | trunk?
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| 09:13 | <vagrantc> it'd be nice to have all the code to look at while i'm on the train :)
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| 09:14 | <ogra> trunk sounds fine
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| 09:14 | * vagrantc always thought trunk sounded awkward and clumsy, but it's a commonly used convention | |
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| 09:16 | <ogra> vagrantc, suggest something better the urls are not wide spread yet ... if there is a time to change it its now
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| 09:17 | (we could call it "main" :) )
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| 09:17 | <vagrantc> ogra: i'm not at all in favor of changing anything more :)
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| 09:17 | <ogra> heh
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| 09:17 | <warren> oh
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| 09:17 | <ogra> just because you work offline now :P
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| 09:17 | <vagrantc> the VCS URLs have changed plenty enough already
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| 09:17 | <warren> bzr push bzr+ssh://wtogami@bazaar.launchpad.net/~mkdst/mkdst/trunk
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| 09:17 | I guess I need ~ltsp-upstream even though this isn't an ltsp project?
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| 09:18 | <ogra> yeah
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| 09:18 | or leave the team out completely, that should work as well
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| 09:18 | <vagrantc> can probably use ~wtogami ... but then others wouldn't be able to commit
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| 09:18 | <ogra> right
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| 09:19 | <warren> [warren@newcaprica mkdst]$ bzr push bzr+ssh://wtogami@bazaar.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/mkdst/trunk
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| 09:19 | Unable to obtain lock bzr+ssh://wtogami@bazaar.launchpad.net/%7Eltsp-upstream/mkdst/trunk/.bzr/repository/lock
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| 09:19 | held by wtogami@redhat.com on host newcaprica.boston.redhat.com [process #4956]
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| 09:19 | locked 49 seconds ago
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| 09:19 | Will continue to try until 10:24:02
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| 09:19 | <vagrantc> you can leave the team out?
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| 09:19 | <warren> uh...
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| 09:20 | not sure what's going on here
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| 09:20 | vagrantc, I will be integrating more stuff into this mkdst
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| 09:20 | vagrantc, and the test at the top is broken
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| 09:23 | it is still stuck on a stale lock
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| 09:23 | not sure what's going on
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| 09:23 | ogra, something seems to be hosed on the server side
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| 09:24 | <ogra> do you own the mkdst project ?
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| 09:24 | <vagrantc> ltsp-upstream does
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| 09:24 | * ogra bets bzr push bzr+ssh://wtogami@bazaar.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/mkdst-trunk would work | |
| 09:24 | <ogra> hey, i see a branch there
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| 09:25 | https://code.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/mkdst/trunk :)
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| 09:25 | <warren> ogra, I think I might have hit ctrl-c before and a stale lock got stuck on the server. any way to clear it, or just blow away the entire thing?
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| 09:25 | * warren trying it again as mkdst-trunk | |
| 09:26 | <warren> because "trunk" alone would create "trunk" directory by default which is ugly
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| 09:26 | <ogra> there as well
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| 09:26 | which is fine if you regard the $project/$branchname
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| 09:26 | <warren> ogra, any way to remove the "trunk"?
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| 09:26 | <ogra> it gets messy if you cshare branches that are all called trunk :)
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| 09:27 | <warren> https://code.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/mkdst/mkdst-trunk
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| 09:27 | <ogra> go into the branch details page and click "delete branch" :)
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| 09:27 | <warren> the test is currently broken
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| 09:27 | <ogra> https://code.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/mkdst/trunk
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| 09:27 | on the left
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| 09:27 | <warren> gone
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| 09:47 | <Gadi> ogra: ping
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| 09:48 | <ogra> Gadi, ?
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| 09:48 | <Gadi> hey, there.
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| 09:48 | I wonder if you could help chew over an issue I have been having on Gutsy LTSP5 that I can't find others having
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| 09:49 | When my users logout, the screen freezes with only their background wallpaper image and does not return them to a login screen
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| 09:49 | ps reveals a lone hanging gnome-screensaver process
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| 09:49 | even when killing that process, the login screen does not return
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| 09:49 | only a power cycle of the client returns a login screen
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| 09:49 | they are on DIRECTX at the moment
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| 09:50 | I attempted to take them off DIRECTX
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| 09:50 | and when I do, they cannot fully login
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| 09:50 | they get stuck at the xrdb -merge process
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| 09:50 | <ogra> hmm, never seen that
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| 09:50 | <Gadi> so, I put them back on DIRECTX
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| 09:50 | I am having a terrible time tracking down the root cause
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| 09:50 | <ogra> anything in ~/.xsession-errors ?
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| 09:51 | <Gadi> too much - thats the problem :)
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| 09:51 | <vagrantc> that sounds vaguely familiar to a problem someone was having ... possibly due to something with vnc?
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| 09:51 | <Gadi> hmm... well, I dont run vnc, but I notice ubuntu tries to run vino-server
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| 09:51 | maybe I can remove that....
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| 09:52 | but, I believe xsession-erros says that it does not succeed in running vino-server
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| 09:52 | <ogra> xrdb is called by /etc/X11/Xsession.d/30x11-common_xresources
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| 09:52 | do you have any non standard /home setup ?
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| 09:52 | * Gadi nods | |
| 09:52 | <Gadi> nope
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| 09:52 | everything as std as possible
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| 09:53 | even fresh gutsy install
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| 09:53 | and happens to newly created users as well
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| 09:53 | ah - seems vino-session runs for each user
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| 09:54 | before I kill that - can you confirm that it does *not* run in your working env?
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| 09:54 | <ogra> thats normal
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| 09:54 | its started by gnome-session
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| 09:54 | <Gadi> ah
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| 09:54 | <ogra> its an upstream default
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| 09:54 | and should be a no-op unless yu eabled it in the remote desktop settings
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| 09:55 | <Gadi> which is doubtful, but worth a check...
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| 09:55 | <ogra> well, it will sit there but do nothing if the gconf keys are not set ...
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| 09:59 | <vagrantc> http://llama.freegeek.org/~vagrant/bzr/ltspfs/ltspfs-single-mount
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| 10:00 | that's my patch to get ltspfs to mount directly to /media/USERNAME/FOO
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| 10:00 | <ogra> i'llmerge that into mine for now and test it over the weekend
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| 10:01 | <vagrantc> it definitely could use some touching up, and probably remove more lines no longer used (like setting a lot of the variables in lbmount)
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| 10:01 | but it worked on debian
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| 10:01 | <ogra> i'll try it ... if i discover and bad stuff i'll fix :)
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| 10:01 | <vagrantc> :)
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| 10:14 | <Gadi> vagrantc: do you recall what the issue was when you saw something similar?
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| 10:14 | * Gadi is really stumped and the natives are restless | |
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| 10:18 | <warren> vagrantc, i'm pushing a working mkdst now.
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| 10:18 | vagrantc, I haven't added my improvements yet
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| 10:18 | vagrantc, just release.conf
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| 10:30 | <Joris_> ogra: I'm getting requests for '/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0\377'
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| 10:31 | it would appear those are from HP vectra's
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| 10:31 | but not from HP vectra VE's
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| 10:36 | <MasterOne> ok, this is amazing! the pulseaudio daemon in running on the thin client, not on the LTSP5 server, nevertheless I can record audio from the thin-clients microphone with an app on the LTSP5 server! how is that even possible (or is the Gnome audio-recorder a local app?)?
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| 10:36 | <ogra> luck :)
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| 10:37 | <MasterOne> yes?
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| 10:37 | <ogra> MasterOne, you're really lucky, there is no code to configure the capturing on the client
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| 10:37 | <ogra> so apprently you have the right device :)
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| 10:37 | <MasterOne> it's a ThinkPad T42p
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| 10:38 | <ogra> good to know :)
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| 10:38 | <MasterOne> but seriously, how is that possible at all
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| 10:38 | <MasterOne> how does the audio on the thin client get to the app on the LTSP5 server?
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| 10:38 | <ogra> the pulse daemon hooks into the cliets alsa layer ...
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| 10:38 | it has a network socket open to the server ...
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| 10:38 | in your session there s a virtual alsa device created ...
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| 10:39 | (see ~/.asoundrc.asoundconf)
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| 10:39 | <MasterOne> and why is that supposed to be not working on all devices?
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| 10:39 | <ogra> that device sits on top of the pulse network connection
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| 10:40 | so your apps only need to use alsa and will get direct access to the clients alsa stack through the pulse/virtdev combo
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| 10:40 | <MasterOne> amazing piece of technology :)
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| 10:40 | <warren> ogra, what version of pulse are you folks using?
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| 10:40 | <ogra> so all devices that the pulse server on the client provides will be seen by the virtual device as well
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| 10:40 | <warren> sweet
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| 10:40 | [warren@newcaprica mkdst]$ ./mkdst-wrapper
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| 10:40 | + which mkdst
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| 10:40 | + '[' 0 -eq 0 ']'
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| 10:40 | + exec mkdst
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| 10:41 | <ogra> heh
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| 10:41 | <warren> # Try mkdst in $PATH
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| 10:41 | which mkdst > /dev/null 2>&1
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| 10:41 | [ $? -eq 0 ] && exec mkdst $@
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| 10:41 | <ogra> which mkdist && exec mkdist ?
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| 10:41 | heh
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| 10:41 | <warren> # Try mkdst in ../mkdst/
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| 10:41 | [ -d ../mkdst/ ] && exec ../mkdst/mkdst $@
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| 10:41 | ogra, oh, that would be simpler =)
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| 10:42 | <ogra> we use pulse 0.9.6 in gutsy
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| 10:42 | hardy just got updated to 0.9.7
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| 10:43 | <MasterOne> ok, one other amazing experience: using System -> Configuration -> Screenresolution I can indeed change the resolution on the thin client on the fly, how is that possible? is that one a local app?
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| 10:43 | <ogra> nope
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| 10:43 | its using xrandr
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| 10:43 | <MasterOne> oh
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| 10:43 | <ogra> which talks through the X protocol to your Xserver on the client
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| 10:44 | <ogra> with xrandr 1.3 multidisplay support will become trivial ... i guess we'll have to start supporting multiple graphics cards in the future
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| 10:45 | <MasterOne> sound great
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| 10:48 | <MasterOne> i just tried to rotate the screen 90° left, it seemed to work, but a part of the screen got distorted, any idea, what that issue could be?
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| 10:49 | (trying to find out, if this is going to work, would be nice on a LCD with pivot function)
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| 11:19 | <Gadi> sbalneav: ping
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| 11:22 | <auctmore> is anyone here using ltsp 5.x on kubuntu 7.10 ?
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| 11:23 | <barbara_> auctmore, yes
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| 11:23 | <auctmore> barbara: only the master user can login at a terminal. How do you create new users?
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| 11:24 | <barbara_> did you add users?
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| 11:24 | <auctmore> yes, with adduser on the server
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| 11:25 | they show up in passwd and shadow
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| 11:26 | <barbara_> did you try loggin in as them on the server?
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| 11:27 | <auctmore> yes, they can login on the server. On a terminal there password appears to be expired. The LDM asks for a new one and a confirmation, but keeps repeating that confirmation question
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| 11:28 | <barbara_> did you try ltsp-update-sshkeys on the server?
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| 11:29 | ogra, you on yet? still trying to figure out these removable devices namely cd's.
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| 11:29 | <auctmore> i did when i changed things in dhcpd.conf. Should I do it after creating new users too?
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| 11:30 | <barbara_> wouldn't hurt. if that doesn't work i would add SERVER=serveripaddress to the lts.conf in the tftpboot/image/dir
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| 11:33 | <auctmore> barbara_: i'm not at my server right now, but i'll try both your suggestions tomorrow. Thanks.
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| 11:34 | <barbara_> auctmore, ok i had this same issue i'm pretty sure it was a need for the server= line in lts.conf.
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| 11:36 | <auctmore> barbara_, is there any online documentation about ltsp 5 management on (k)ubuntu? So far, i couldn't find it.
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| 11:37 | <barbara_> auctmore, not sure. maybe in some edubuntu documentation.
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| 11:37 | <auctmore> barbara_, i'll have a look at edubuntu. Thanks again.
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| 11:38 | <barbara_> np
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| 12:05 | <cflynt> barbara_: I'm having a similar problem with ltsp 5 on Ubuntu. It appears that I have no window manager present. This may be causing ldm to fail.
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| 12:09 | <barbara_> cflynt, when did this start happening? have you ever been able to log in and it work?
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| 12:10 | <cflynt> It's a new installation. Just got things in yesterday, and tracked down the no wm glitch today.
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| 12:11 | The Ubuntu is 6.10.
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| 12:12 | I added a user/passwd to /etc/passwd by hand, and can log in if I put a SCREEN_03 in my lts.conf
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| 12:12 | THat's log in in text mode.
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| 12:12 | Once in text mode, I startx, and X comes up, but no WM.
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| 12:12 | I see ubuntu doesn't come with twm, fvwm, or my old favorites.
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| 12:22 | <barbara_> cflynt, sorry can't help you with that. not at all familiar with 6.10 didn't get in the game until gutsy and ltsp5 has come a long way since then.
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| 12:22 | ogra, are you rested?
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| 12:23 | <ogra> barbara_, well, i had a long 10h day so not really, and it will still go on
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| 12:23 | <cflynt> OK, thanks anyhow. I didn't realize the 5 series was so tightly connected with host OS. Mostly, I've worked with the 4.2 stuff. This is my first foray into 5-dom.
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| 12:23 | <ogra> cflynt, ltsp5 is all about the distro :)
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| 12:23 | <barbara_> he's on 6.10
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| 12:24 | <ogra> the ubuntu ltsp package is only around 200k big :)
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| 12:24 | <barbara_> so any brainwaves on the local device issues i'm having ogra ?
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| 12:24 | <ogra> 6.10 is ok ... had just not many features
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| 12:25 | barbara_, not really, did you try the steps on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebugLocalDev ?
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| 12:27 | <cflynt> My understanding of 5 is that I can build stuff on the native OS and copy it to the ltsp partitions and it will "just work", rather than needing all the cross compile environment stuff I used on 4.2. Is this true?
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| 12:27 | <barbara_> ogra, yes i did. no help looked like it all worked fine except didn't mount.
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| 12:27 | <ogra> you didnt find the ltspfs_fstab iirc, right ?
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| 12:28 | cflynt, not really, the ltsp part is built in a chroot insode your os ... you can always use the chroot command to enter that filesystem and add packages, make tweaks etc
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| 12:28 | <barbara_> ogra, everything went fine until i got to trying to mount it locally.
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| 12:29 | <ogra> i.e. sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 apt-get install <package> would add a package you want on the clients
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| 12:29 | barbara_, you if you are on a client console login you see the device there in the clients dmesg output ?
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| 12:30 | <barbara_> ogra, yes
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| 12:30 | <ogra> -you :)
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| 12:31 | and /var/run/ltspfs_fstab exists ?
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| 12:31 | and contains an entry for your device ?
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| 12:32 | <barbara_> ogra, /var/run/ltspfs_fstab does not exist
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| 12:32 | <ogra> does /lib/udev/add_fstab_entry exist ?
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| 12:33 | <barbara_> ogra, no
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| 12:33 | should i be looking in root tty or in console?
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| 12:34 | <ogra> in the console of the client like the wikipage explains (after you set a rootpw for the client environment and ran ltsp-update-image etc)
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| 13:09 | <Joris_> Intel 82815 video chipsets
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| 13:09 | are they known to be problematic?
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| 13:09 | I'm already using 16bit color depth, but the X window isn't comming up
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| 13:12 | <ogra> you could try different drivers
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| 13:12 | there are two for that card
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| 13:13 | XSERVER=intel or XSERVER=i810
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| 13:17 | <Joris_> ogra: where are you from? I'm going to need to buy you a beer
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| 13:17 | or two
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| 13:17 | or a lot more ;-)
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| 13:23 | <BGomes> Joris_: I have buy for Jim and Scott too :)
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| 13:25 | <Joris_> :)
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| 13:28 | <ltsppbot> "barbara" pasted "ogra, this is result of mount attempt" (10 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/381
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| 13:48 | <warren> ogra, I need to put a license on mkdst, GPLv2 or higher OK?
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| 13:53 | <jcastro> ogra: is there a way to keep ldm but shut off the ssh connections?
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| 13:54 | ogra: with gutsy ltsp.
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| 13:57 | <johnny_> use the LDM_DIRECTX option
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| 13:57 | <jcastro> thanks
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| 13:58 | <barbara_> is it more advantageous for speed to use xdmcp or ldm?
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| 14:03 | <jcastro> barbara_: yeah, by alot
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| 14:04 | <barbara_> jcastro, ldm is faster or xdmcp is.
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| 14:05 | <jcastro> sorry, I meant to say LDM_DIRECTX is a bunch faster.
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| 14:06 | <Gadi> xdmcp is what gives you a login screen. *X* is what you are using beyond that. ldm with the DIRECTX option is the same as X direct to your thin client
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| 14:06 | <barbara_> yeah i know that :) using it
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| 14:06 | <Gadi> in terms of how fast the login screen comes up,
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| 14:06 | xdmcp will provide a gdm login faster than ldm will provide a login screen
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| 14:07 | because the former simply provides a display while the latter loads the login screen application locally
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| 14:09 | <johnny_> but.. you ccan't use local devices
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| 14:09 | or sound
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| 14:09 | <barbara_> well local devices aren't working with ltsp either though. for me anyway.
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| 14:11 | <johnny_> i fixed them to work
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| 14:12 | <barbara_> how?
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| 14:12 | been troubleshooting this for days. it registers in dmesg and doesn't ever do anything beyond that but i have sound. cd doesn't work either
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| 14:12 | <johnny_> the stuff in the bug
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| 14:12 | i forgot the number
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| 14:13 | but it involved editing a script
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| 14:13 | <barbara_> i removed that one line that involved remote display 10
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| 14:13 | <johnny_> did you add the -X
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| 14:16 | <barbara_> no
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| 14:16 | <johnny_> you have to
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| 14:16 | that's the most important part
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| 14:17 | <barbara_> nice do you remember the bug?
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| 14:17 | <johnny_> uhmm..
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| 14:17 | no..
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| 14:17 | i have it in my email, but my email server is currently down
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| 14:17 | being migrated
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| 14:17 | <barbara_> hey join the club! ;)
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| 14:18 | ogra, you on?
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| 14:19 | <johnny_> i don't know if that fix is the proper fix, but i do know that it works :)
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| 14:20 | <barbara_> yeah i've seen it before but only to remove that single line...
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| 14:34 | <barbara_> johnny, do i do this on the client or on the server? I can not find this file on the server... : S20-delayed-mounter
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| 15:19 | <iMacGyver> hello, i'm running ltsp on edubuntu, and was wondering how to get poweroff on power button press?
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| 15:20 | <Q-FUNK> to poweroff the client?
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| 15:21 | <iMacGyver> Q-FUNK: yes
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| 15:21 | <Q-FUNK> hm. I'm not sure if ACPI messenging is implemented in D-Bus
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| 15:22 | <iMacGyver> well i mean power button press on the client, shutting off the client
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| 15:22 | <johnny_> shutting it off nicely? or just shutting it off in general?
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| 15:22 | mine shuts off just fine
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| 15:22 | it just doesnt run any shutdown scripts
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| 15:22 | which i would like it to do :(
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| 15:23 | <iMacGyver> johnny_: well nice would be better, but really there is not much to shut off on the thin client
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| 15:23 | <Q-FUNK> that would require the logoff panel's shutdown action to send a dbus message to the client, rather than kill acpi on the local (server) host.
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| 15:23 | <iMacGyver> right now the button press does nothing, if i hold it down of course it will not nice turn off
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| 15:25 | <ogra> iMacGyver, its a trivial hack to the acpi scripts i havent had time for ...
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| 15:25 | Q-FUNK, the session doesn see the powerbutton event ... you can only trigger a shutdown directly on the client from the button
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| 15:26 | <Q-FUNK> ogra: ah so it sees the event, but no acpi support is implemented in the chroot, so it doesn't do anything in response?
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| 15:27 | <ogra> well, the acpi support ubuntu uses expects dbus and the session to listen ...
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| 15:28 | we dont have either in the chroot
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| 15:28 | <Q-FUNK> we don't use hal and dbus to detect e.g. usb sticks?
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| 15:28 | <ogra> with some small trick in the acpi scripts you can just trigger init to run shutdown though
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| 15:28 | nope
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| 15:28 | thats done directly by udev scripts
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| 15:29 | <Q-FUNK> ok
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| 15:30 | <Q-FUNK> i guess this could be useful for clients implemented using recycled hardware
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| 15:46 | <iMacGyver> installing acpid in the chroot worked
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| 15:46 | <Q-FUNK> :)
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| 15:47 | ogra: is there space to add acpid to the standard chroot?
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| 15:48 | <joebob777as7> i think i might need to do local installs of linux. what would be the best way to store user information on a central server and have local installs?
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| 15:48 | <ogra> Q-FUNK, hmm, i always thought we have tht in the chroot ... but actually its pulled in by the desktop metapackage
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| 15:48 | Q-FUNK, surely makes sense to add it
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| 15:49 | <joebob777as7> my users are all over my back for their local devices...
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| 15:50 | <prpplague> joebob777as7: time to start taking bribes then
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| 15:50 | <joebob777as7> is ldap what i'm looking for or is there an easier way?
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| 15:51 | <ogra> depends on the amount of users
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| 15:51 | <joebob777as7> 5 maybe 6
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| 15:52 | <Q-FUNK> ogra: I thoguht so too. IIRC it used to be pulled by ubuntu-standard.
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| 15:53 | <ogra> warren, any free license you want to pick is fine with me (ubuntu isnt debian ;) )
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| 15:54 | warren, that question should rather be directed to vagrantc btw, he's with the strict guys
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| 15:54 | Q-FUNK, well it doesnt anymore ... i missed that, so my fault .... i'll fix it in hardy
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| 15:54 | <warren> ogra, I'm making an optional --testrpm option that does the same thing as --test except builds an rpm.
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| 15:55 | ogra, because I know you wont appreciate that being in the default --test =)
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| 15:58 | ogra, and yes I'm avoiding the use of == in order to appease you =)
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| 15:58 | <ogra> thanks :) the POSIX police will be grateful for that :)
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| 15:58 | <warren> ogra, hmm
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| 15:58 | <Q-FUNK> :D
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| 15:59 | <joebob777as7> ogra, so for 5 or 6 users at 2 locations am i looking at ldap or something else?
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| 15:59 | just looking for direction.
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| 16:00 | <warren> ogra, safe to assume that sed is installed on debian and ubuntu?
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| 16:00 | <ogra> well, i personally would maintain them on one central host and rsync the passwd/shadow files through ssh ... but thats me :) and probably not the most easy setup ...
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| 16:00 | warren, indeed :)
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| 16:00 | sed and vi
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| 16:01 | and ed i think
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| 16:02 | <warren> I guess I'll even test it in dash
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| 16:02 | <jcastro> ogra: so I'm sitting at my old job and they just finished a migration to ltsp5 from the old dapper stuff
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| 16:02 | <ogra> jcastro, to gutsy ?
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| 16:02 | <warren> This way I can lull ogra into a false sense of security before I add a whole bunch of horrifying things.
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| 16:02 | <ogra> lol
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| 16:02 | <jcastro> ogra: yeah
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| 16:03 | ogra: I'm sitting watching students use the labs while I work
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| 16:03 | <ogra> jcastro, there seem to be probs with localdev :/
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| 16:03 | <jcastro> ogra: hmmm, if there are I'll make it clear to them to report bugs
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| 16:03 | <ogra> delete the line that sets DISPLAY in /usr/sbin/ltspfsmounter
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| 16:04 | its a known one
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| 16:04 | <jcastro> ok
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| 16:04 | <joebob777as7> didn't work for me
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| 16:05 | <ogra> joebob777as7, so you still only get the forst user having localdev access ?
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| 16:05 | *first
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| 16:06 | <jcastro> ogra: anything else you want banged on while I'm here?
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| 16:06 | <ogra> nt from the top of my head
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| 16:06 | <jcastro> k
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| 16:08 | <joebob777as7> ogra, i only get local devices working on the server that's all. and i'm pretty sure after that it's not possible to get compiz working so am I going to have to learn ldap and do local installs? what is your opinion? should i just scrap this buggy local devs that works fine at my other location or reinstall this and give it another go?
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| 16:08 | <ogra> localdevs on the server are not related in any way to ltsp ...
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| 16:09 | it works totally different there
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| 16:09 | !localdev
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| 16:09 | <ltspbot> ogra: "localdev" is (#1) Information regarding using pluggable devices and cdroms with LTSP can be found at http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LTSP-42-LocalDev, or (#2) for ubuntu: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EnableLTSP5LocalDevices, or (#3) for debian-edu: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/HowTo/LocalDeviceLtspfs, or (#4) http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebugLocalDev
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| 16:09 | <ogra> did you follow the checklist from http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebugLocalDev ?
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| 16:09 | <johnny_> joebob777as7, did you add the -X to the ssh line?
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| 16:09 | just removing that DISPLAY line didn't do it for me
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| 16:09 | <joebob777as7> johnny_, yes still not working
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| 16:10 | my file was called S10.... not S20... don't know if that has anything to do with it...
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| 16:10 | <ogra> johnny, well, removing the DISPLAY line is actually a real fix ... i doubt the -X is one ... see the most recent duplicate of the bug
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| 16:10 | joebob777as7, what S10 ? where ?
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| 16:11 | <joebob777as7> i'll have to find the link it's a file in the rc.d of the client S10_something
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| 16:12 | I added -X to the ssh line as johnny instructed still doesn't work. gave me issues with my display.
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| 16:12 | <ogra> thats clearly wrong to poke around in there
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| 16:12 | (in rc.d
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| 16:12 | )
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| 16:13 | * ogra dances ... hardy ltsp-build.client still works even after the debian merge and tarball changes :) | |
| 16:13 | <ogra> i wonder if thats still the case after warren made me drunk and sneaked in his secret evilness :)
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| 16:14 | <joebob777as7> ogra, http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.terminal-server.general/22270
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| 16:15 | i've always wondered what is the "debian merge"?
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| 16:15 | <ogra> /usr/share/ldm/rc.d/S20-delayed-mounter is only used for devices that were there before login
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| 16:15 | not for USB sticks you plug in or CDs
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| 16:16 | <joebob777as7> ok so i'll remove the -X i put there...
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| 16:16 | <ogra> i.e. floppies, builtin HDs
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| 16:16 | (also USB keys if they were plugged in before login though)
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| 16:16 | <joebob777as7> mine is S10-delayed-mounter
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| 16:16 | <warren> ogra, is there a command to diff between a certain tag and current?
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| 16:16 | current revision
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| 16:17 | <ogra> bzr diff -r20..25 ...
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| 16:17 | would show you the revisions between 20 and 25
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| 16:17 | joebob777as7, 10 is right
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| 16:18 | <joebob777as7> ok just making sure. i think i'm going to do a total reinstall just irritating that my other server worked ootb and this one has so many errors. on the other one i had to install xterminator and this one doesn't need it...... just weird stuff.
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| 16:19 | <warren> ogra, bzr diff doesn't seem to have a syntax to use a tag instead of revision number.
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| 16:19 | <ogra> oh, tags ...
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| 16:19 | hmm #bzr might know i havent used tags much yet
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| 16:20 | joebob777as7, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+bug/172540 thats something you could check
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| 16:21 | i wonder if ltspfs_token just keeps the old value
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| 16:22 | <joebob777as7> ogra, exactly same issue
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| 16:22 | no issue with my other install though
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| 16:22 | <ogra> joebob777as7, totally different workaround
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| 16:22 | <warren> ogra, ah, they said -rtag:FOO
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| 16:22 | <ogra> and imho the right pinter to do the real fix
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| 16:23 | warren, ah, cool
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| 16:23 | probably a flaw in the documentation ...
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| 16:23 | that should be mentioned in the helü
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| 16:23 | *help
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| 16:23 | <joebob777as7> so what causes this issue?
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| 16:23 | <warren> ogra, I wont do it quite yet, but I'm going to make it smarter about handling releases if you try --release or --releaserpm when it is already tagged.
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| 16:23 | <ogra> joebob777as7, differences of the tokens
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| 16:24 | <joebob777as7> ogra, so can i rebuild the tokens? i'm clueless about this.
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| 16:25 | <ogra> warren, great .. we could have --relese-ubuntu or --release-debian as well then so bzr gets the pacaging dir and creates a source package
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| 16:25 | joebob777as7, just read the bug and do what the reporter did
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| 16:25 | <warren> ogra, the packages that I build from this are not release packages that would be shipped in a distro, but rather sample test packages.
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| 16:25 | * ogra thinks https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+bug/172540 is one of the best bug reports he got the last months ... | |
| 16:26 | <ogra> on the point, with perfect debugging data
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| 16:26 | warren, well, thats what people use if they do tests in ubuntu as well :)
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| 16:27 | <warren> ogra, I'll let you add it after I'm done making changes
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| 16:27 | <ogra> sure, thats nothing urgent
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| 16:28 | i dont need it now ... atm i'm happy nothing broke :) i wont change that until your changes hit upstream
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| 16:28 | <warren> for rpm in `ls *.rpm`; do
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| 16:28 | echo "INFO: removing package $rpm"
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| 16:28 | rm -f $rpm
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| 16:28 | done
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| 16:28 | hmm
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| 16:28 | It isn't happy if no .rpm's exist
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| 16:29 | <ogra> add a check :)
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| 16:29 | <warren> know of a better way to write that?
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| 16:30 | I tried "*.rpm" first which isn't good either
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| 16:31 | ogra, I'm going to change it so --test uses cp instead of bzr export to the tmp dir, so you can test stuff without checking it in.
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| 16:31 | ogra, i'm finding that I'm checking stuff in far too often even before it is working because --test requires it.
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| 16:31 | <joebob777as7> ltsp has come a long way since i started using it. looks like i'll just wait for hardy or the one after before this stuff will work thanks anyway ogra
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| 16:32 | <ogra> if [ "$(ls *.rpm)" ]; then for rpm in .... ;fi ?
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| 16:33 | <warren> [warren@newcaprica mkdst]$ if [ "$(ls *.rpm)" ]; then echo yes; fi
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| 16:33 | ls: cannot access *.rpm: No such file or directory
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| 16:33 | <ogra> if [ "$(ls *.rpm 2>/dev/null)" ]; then for rpm in .... ;fi ?
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| 16:33 | ;)
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| 16:33 | just drop stderr
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| 16:34 | <warren> man shell sucks =)
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| 16:34 | <ogra> not if you are used to it :)
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| 16:35 | ltsp will teach you ... i never had such shell skills before i started with it ;)
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| 16:35 | <warren> the resulting code is ugly
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| 16:35 | <ogra> well, you should put it in a var actually ...
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| 16:35 | LIST=$(ls *.rpm 2>/dev/null)
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| 16:36 | if [ "$LIST" ]; then for rpm in $LIST.... ;fi
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| 16:36 | <warren> for rpm in `ls *.rpm 2> /dev/null`; do
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| 16:36 | echo "INFO: removing package $rpm"
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| 16:36 | rm -f $rpm
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| 16:36 | done
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| 16:36 | this works
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| 16:37 | <ogra> joebob777as7, hardy ltp wont see many new things, it will very much focus on stabilization
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| 16:37 | *ltsp
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| 16:37 | ah, right
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| 16:37 | anyway ...
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| 16:37 | * ogra needs to call it a day | |
| 16:38 | <ogra> 12h again ... sigh ... i need to learn to stop ...
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| 16:38 | <prpplague> thats the fun thing about shell scripts, there are a million ways to get the same thing done
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| 16:38 | * warren stares hard at bzr diff before commit... | |
| 16:38 | <ogra> the big disadvantage from working from home
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| 16:38 | <warren> ogra, check out my bzr repo when you wake up
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| 16:38 | <ogra> s/from/of
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| 16:38 | warren, will do ...
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| 16:38 | <warren> ogra, 0.1 will be tagged
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| 16:49 | <farmhand01> helo
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| 16:49 | hello*
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| 16:49 | anyone out there?
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| 16:50 | hello
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| 16:53 | <farmhand01> hello?
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| 17:01 | <joebob777as7> what farmhand01 ?
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| 17:01 | <farmhand01> hey Joebob
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| 17:01 | still there?
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| 17:01 | <joebob777as7> yeah lol
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| 17:01 | <farmhand01> cool
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| 17:01 | hey question...
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| 17:02 | <joebob777as7> hey i'll try to answer...
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| 17:02 | ;)
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| 17:02 | <farmhand01> I am trying to setup edubuntu and I have the server working...
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| 17:02 | <joebob777as7> ok
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| 17:02 | <farmhand01> I have it set up in VMware
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| 17:02 | <joebob777as7> why?
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| 17:02 | <farmhand01> testing
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| 17:02 | <joebob777as7> go virtualbox!
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| 17:02 | <farmhand01> and I am now setting up a thin client... also in VMware
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| 17:02 | <joebob777as7> ok...
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| 17:02 | <farmhand01> the thin client gets the edubuntu splash screen
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| 17:03 | and seems to be working but then I get some odd errors about directores not being able to mount
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| 17:03 | <joebob777as7> good
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| 17:03 | hmm... ok
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| 17:03 | <farmhand01> I can get the names, one sec...
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| 17:04 | <joebob777as7> 386 server?
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| 17:04 | <farmhand01> "moung: Mouning /rofs on /root/rofs failed: Invalid arguemnt"
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| 17:04 | yeah
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| 17:04 | <joebob777as7> what version of edubuntu?
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| 17:04 | <farmhand01> sorry... "mount: Mounting /rofs on /root/rofs failed: Invalid arguemnt"
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| 17:04 | 7.10
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| 17:04 | <joebob777as7> did you change any configs?
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| 17:04 | <farmhand01> just the dhcp3 IP addresses
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| 17:05 | <joebob777as7> under /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf?
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| 17:05 | <farmhand01> yup
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| 17:05 | I set the server up to be at 192.168.1.1
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| 17:06 | "mount: Mounting /root/dev on /dev/.static/dev failed: No Such file or directory"
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| 17:06 | "mount: Mounting /sys on /root/sys failed: No such file or directory"
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| 17:06 | <joebob777as7> ok maybe try adding alternate chroot and modifying /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf to see if that fixes it... sudo ltsp-build-client --chroot testi386
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| 17:07 | <farmhand01> ok, I will take a look
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| 17:07 | <joebob777as7> i've had problems before with broken chroots... not sure that will fix it after you change /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf you will need to restart dhcp.
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| 17:08 | <joebob777as7> let me know if you get the same error
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| 17:14 | <joebob777as7> fernando1, work?
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| 17:14 | <farmhand01> taking a while to do the build
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| 17:14 | hey joebob, do you know much about xen?
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| 17:16 | <joebob777as7> i've tried it and it was a flop i thought i had to do too many modifications to my systems for my liking. i don't like it to give me a new kernel...
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| 17:16 | i use virtualbox it works nice enough and free. i haven't played with vmware server though.
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| 17:16 | <farmhand01> yeah, it looked a little crazy
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| 17:17 | I had used VMware in the past, and knew how to work it
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| 17:17 | virtualbox is pretty nice?
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| 17:17 | <joebob777as7> i don't like the way vmware handles networking
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| 17:20 | <joebob777as7> virtualbox is leaps and bounds faster!
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| 17:26 | <farmhand01> Hey Joebob, I gotta
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| 17:26 | run'
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| 17:26 | thanks for your helo
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| 17:40 | <iMacGyver> ogra: do have anice hack for the acpi scripts to do a 'clean' shutdown of the session on pwbtn press?
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| 18:16 | <iMacGyver> hmm, when a client does a disconnect (say i pull the power cord while they are logged in), their session doesn't seem to ever die
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| 18:18 | <johnny> i have that problem mainly with firefox
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| 18:18 | <joebob777as7> iMacGyver, this is an ltsp bug happens on some of my chroots as well
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| 18:18 | <johnny> is it an ltsp bug really?
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| 18:18 | <joebob777as7> johnny, has happened to me several times
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| 18:18 | <johnny> it might be a feature
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| 18:18 | not a bug
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| 18:18 | <iMacGyver> well things like dbus still running
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| 18:19 | bonobo, gconf, etc :(
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| 18:19 | <johnny> do other instances get started when the user logs back in?
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| 18:19 | <joebob777as7> i've asked about it before it happened when the processes worn't killed before the next login.
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| 18:19 | <johnny> or does it reattach ?
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| 18:19 | <iMacGyver> no reattach
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| 18:19 | <johnny> are they not killed if you properly log out?
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| 18:19 | <iMacGyver> and so things can get weird when the user logs in several times
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| 18:19 | <joebob777as7> see if killall -u username lets them login again.
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| 18:20 | <johnny> that would definitely be a bug if that was the case :0
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| 18:20 | the processes should survive disconnection, but perhaps not power cycle
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| 18:20 | <iMacGyver> joebob777as7: yeah killing everything fixes it...just wondering why the stuff stays around when they get disconnected
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| 18:20 | <joebob777as7> yeah last time i asked about it they had me install xterminator
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| 18:20 | <iMacGyver> johnny: well power cycle of the client
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| 18:20 | <johnny> i have a script i'm working on to handle that
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| 18:20 | an ldm rc scrcipt
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| 18:21 | <joebob777as7> then i made another chroot and that fixed it but they coudn't log in at all and i had to remove the xterminator. ltsp has been very buggy for me
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| 18:21 | <johnny> on gutsy?
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| 18:21 | <joebob777as7> especially in gutsy
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| 18:21 | <johnny> things have been worse on gutsy
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| 18:21 | <joebob777as7> didn't have any feisty problems
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| 18:21 | <johnny> 6 months wasn't really long enough to stabilize
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| 18:21 | <joebob777as7> even compiz worked on my feisty box thins
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| 18:22 | <johnny> you prolly should have stuck with feisty until hardy
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| 18:22 | <joebob777as7> well they've had lots of issues with local devices. they can't get compiz working again and i've had this log in black screen deal happen on several different server installs
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| 18:22 | <johnny> seems like the folks here are more focused on prepping for hardy on the ubuntu side of things
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| 18:23 | <johnny> since the clock is ticking out on that one
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| 18:23 | they prolly have to be more or less ready by february
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| 18:24 | <joebob777as7> it's just odd to me that they will walk you through hours of troubleshooting your own box even though it's a fresh install and then tell you to look at the bug report that isn't the same bug and there is no fix still...
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| 18:24 | <iMacGyver> wouldn't you install xterminator on the server?
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| 18:24 | <johnny> plus ltsp upstream itself is in heavy flux
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| 18:24 | <joebob777as7> yes but then if you rebuild the chroot ever and it works you'll notice on the log that it can't open the session because there were no processes to kill and it will break it the other way. lol
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| 18:25 | <johnny> i wrote a script that i run at the end of the night
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| 18:25 | <joebob777as7> i love where they are going with this but long way still before it is right.
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| 18:25 | <johnny> it clears out the /home of all users and pkills all their procs
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| 18:26 | considering these are all anonymous users
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| 18:26 | <joebob777as7> local devices work fine on the other server that i fixed accidentally by rebuilding my chroot several times then on this server everything i try is for not.
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| 18:27 | <johnny> i got them to work with the -X
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| 18:27 | <johnny> and clearing out the old directories in /tmp
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| 18:27 | <joebob777as7> yeah and ogra says that shouldn't matter. when i added the -x i had display issues i think something is buggy.
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| 18:29 | works for some not for others some don't need the -X some do, some don't need to delete the display line and it just works...
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| 18:42 | <iMacGyver> hmm so is the repo for xterminator broken?
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| 18:45 | <johnny> that's what it seems like
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| 18:48 | <joebob777as7> iMacGyver, what architecture are you running 386 for server and clients?
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| 18:48 | <iMacGyver> joebob777as7: yeah
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| 18:48 | <joebob777as7> did you try to build a test chroot and see if that fixes your problem?
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| 18:49 | <iMacGyver> joebob777as7: huh? my problem is when a client disconnects without logging out (ie pulls a power cord or presses reset) some of their processes stay running on the server
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| 18:50 | <joebob777as7> iMacGyver, i know but i built a new chroot and it fixed that problem for me.
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| 18:50 | <iMacGyver> weird
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| 18:50 | <joebob777as7> sudo ltsp-build-client --chroot testi386
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| 18:50 | then just change dhcpd.conf accordingly and restart dhcp see if that fixes the issue...
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| 18:56 | iMacGyver, let me know if that fixes it
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| 19:00 | <iMacGyver> joebob777as7: i've gotta run now...i may try it later, i just find that extremely odd since the apps are running on the server that rebuilding the client image would help me...
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| 19:03 | <joebob777as7> that's what i thought but i did it to see and it worked... lol
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| 19:46 | <jammcq> hey all
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| 19:48 | <snazm> Hi
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| 19:51 | LOL telnet to towel.blinkenlights.nl
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| 19:54 | <cliebow> hi guy!!!!]
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| 19:58 | <jammcq> hey chuck
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| 20:01 | <cliebow> jammcq: you must be wicked vusy!!!
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| 20:01 | jammcq: you must be wicked busy!!!
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| 20:01 | <jammcq> dude, you can't imagine
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| 20:01 | <cliebow> gnna need a clone..
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| 20:02 | <jammcq> I wish
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| 20:02 | I just spent a couple days in chicago
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| 20:03 | <cliebow> not neessarily ltsp either??
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| 20:03 | <jammcq> right
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| 20:03 | my day job has be crazy busy
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| 20:04 | <cliebow> great..miss seeing you here..
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| 20:09 | gotta switch os
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| 22:31 | <teacher007> Hi, someone there?
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| 22:51 | <warren> ogra, this is annoying. ". release.conf" fails in dash.
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| 22:52 | ogra, . doesn't think to look in the current directory?
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| 22:52 | <jammcq> maybe . ./release.conf ?
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| 22:53 | <warren> dash is stupid
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| 22:53 | POSIX compliance really isn't important
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| 22:53 | <jammcq> I really liked bash
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| 23:06 | <warren> https://code.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/mkdst/mkdst-trunk
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| 23:06 | mkdst-0.1 the ultimate LTSP source tree release tool
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| 23:10 | <teacher007> Hi, I try to use the multiple server feature of Gutsy's LTSP, but I can't get it to work :(
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| 23:12 | I added the following to the default section of the /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf:
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| 23:12 | <teacher007> LDM_SERVER=192.168.0.254 192.168.0.253
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| 23:13 | <warren> teacher007, but only the first is being used?
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| 23:13 | <teacher007> Yes
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| 23:13 | <warren> teacher007, try putting both in quotes
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| 23:13 | LDM_SERVER="192.168.0.254 192.168.0.253"
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| 23:13 | teacher007, I haven't used LDM yet, but the syntax makes sense.
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| 23:19 | <teacher007> OK, I've put the IP list into quotes. Unfortunately it does not seem to help :(
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| 23:23 | On a working setup, does the LDM greeter provide a menu so that the user can pick up an appropriate server himself?
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| 23:27 | <warren> teacher007, I'm sorry, I don't know LDM at all.
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| 23:27 | ogra, bzr push bzr+ssh://wtogami@bazaar.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/ltsp-trunk
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| 23:27 | ogra, I tried to push revision 495 containing only the move to mkdst
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| 23:27 | ogra, it isn't showing up on https://code.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/ltsp-trunk
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| 23:32 | <warren> ogra, oh, it appeared now
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