IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 28 July 2008 (all times are UTC)
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| 00:48 | <sbalneav> Evening all
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| 00:50 | <ogra> heh
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| 00:50 | <jammcq> ogra: hey
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| 00:51 | <ogra> as if we had just met :)
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| 00:51 | <jammcq> heh
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| 00:51 | ogra: you back to your room already?
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| 00:52 | <ogra> yup
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| 00:52 | <jammcq> oh way, you left before us :)
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| 00:52 | we stayed for a couple minutes, saying goodbye's to everyone else
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| 00:52 | <ogra> no further beer plans ?
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| 00:53 | * ogra heard rcy suggesting a box of beer in the park :) | |
| 00:53 | <itai-michaelson> hello, i'm planning to set up some clients in a crowded office, the office currently has one box (which will be the server). this box is connected to a file server in another room. i was wondering if the terminal clients will be able to share files with the server in the other room
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| 00:53 | <jammcq> no beer here, too full
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| 00:53 | itai-michaelson: certainly
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| 00:53 | as long as the LTSP server and the File server can see each other
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| 00:54 | <ogra> the clients dont actually have any files on them ... its all happening on the server
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| 00:54 | <itai-michaelson> jammcq, i just heard of ltsp 5 min ago so excuse my ignorance. a regular Ubuntu with 1Gb memory will be enough to drive 3 clients?
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| 00:55 | <ogra> easily
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| 00:55 | <jammcq> yes
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| 00:55 | <itai-michaelson> can you point me to some good websites about ltsp?
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| 00:56 | <ogra> well, if you want ubuntu ...
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| 00:56 | !ubuntu
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| 00:56 | <ltspbot> ogra: "ubuntu" is a Debian based GNU/Linux distrubution that includes a Ubuntu specific version of LTSP. It can be found at http://www.ubuntulinux.org. to install ltsp on ubuntu: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall
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| 00:56 | <ogra> see the second link
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| 00:56 | and drop the LTSPQuickInstall for more ubuntu docs on it
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| 00:57 | <itai-michaelson> can the clients be wireless?
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| 00:57 | <ogra> http://doc.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/edubuntu/handbook/C/ has also a lot of info on ltsp5 (the implementation is identical to the ubuntu one)
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| 00:57 | for general ltsp info and how it works see wiki.ltsp.org
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| 00:58 | <jammcq> itai-michaelson: wireless isn't easy with ltsp yet
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| 00:58 | <ogra> there is no wlan implementation yet (doesnt mean that you cant hack up one on your own though)
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| 00:59 | <itai-michaelson> jammcq, when you say "isn't easy" do u mean not supported?
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| 00:59 | <jammcq> well, some people are doing it with wireless bridges
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| 01:00 | <itai-michaelson> cause i'm basically looking for something without any wires
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| 01:00 | <jammcq> ie, each client contains a normal wired nick, and they plug those into a wireless bridge, to connect back to the server
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| 01:00 | <itai-michaelson> jammcq, how?
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| 01:00 | oh
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| 01:01 | <jammcq> http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/WirelessLTSPClientsUsingAnEthernetBridge
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| 01:04 | <mikere> jammcq: itai-michaelson wants to use dumb terminals - monitor keyboard and as little else as he can get away with as this is a solution to a space problem.
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| 01:05 | jammcq: I sent him this way because I figured if anyone on usenet knew a solution for him it would be here.
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| 01:05 | oops, not usenet, irc =)
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| 01:06 | <itai-michaelson> mikere, thanks, i got some assistance here
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| 01:07 | <mikere> itai-michaelson: yes. But they need to know you want dumb terminals of some sort rather than minimal specced boxes for client.
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| 01:09 | <jammcq> well, what do you mean by "dumb terminal" ? It at least needs a cpu, memory, network interface and video card
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| 01:09 | in my world, dumb terminal means something like an old Wyse-60 or Televideo terminal
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| 01:09 | <itai-michaelson> jammcq, i need something very small that i can put on an office table
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| 01:10 | <jammcq> that's just a thin client
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| 01:10 | <ogra> yeah
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| 01:10 | <jammcq> take a look at http://www.DisklessWorkstations.com
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| 01:10 | <itai-michaelson> jammcq, i suppose those dont have wireless pxe booting?
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| 01:11 | * ogra suggests to not look at the 1000PXE | |
| 01:11 | <jammcq> no such thing as "wireless pxe"
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| 01:11 | <itai-michaelson> sorry boot from wireless
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| 01:12 | <jammcq> no, nobody is booting from wireless, unless you connect a wireless bridge as I mentioned earlier
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| 01:12 | <ogra> you will have to use an ethernet bridge or hac up something yourself for initrmfs
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| 01:12 | *initramfs
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| 01:12 | but that will stil need the kernel locally
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| 01:13 | <itai-michaelson> ogra, so it will need a harddisc?
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| 01:14 | <ogra> a flash disk, CF card, SD card or usb key would do as well
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| 01:14 | <itai-michaelson> ogra, which solution do u think is better?
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| 01:14 | <ogra> but there is no code written for such a setup yet, as i said below, you would have to come up with something yourself ... if you can have the kernel and initramfs locally it would be possible
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| 01:15 | depends on your programming skills :)
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| 01:15 | <itai-michaelson> so i guess i will have to try with a wirelessbridge :-)
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| 01:17 | <itai-michaelson> ogra, why did you suggest not looking at the 1000pxe?
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| 01:18 | <ogra> its to low powered for a normal ltsp setup ... makes a good device for single app solutions (i.e. if you only run a database frontend) but is not so good for normal desktop use
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| 01:19 | the 1220s are pretty nice
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| 01:20 | * ogra is feeling relief seeing that the version in the archive actually matches what he expected ... phew | |
| 01:21 | <jammcq> heh
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| 01:26 | <itai-michaelson> ogra, but its much cheaper....
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| 01:27 | the clients would basically have to run firefox and open office, oh and they will need to be able to print
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| 01:27 | <ogra> itai-michaelson, if you look for a cheap one that works.... http://www.artecgroup.com/thincan/models.html
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| 01:28 | the DBE61 is ok
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| 01:30 | <itai-michaelson> ogra, sadly i do not do the shopping, we need to buy from an external company , i was wondering if any diskless workstation would work with ltsp beacuse im living in a microsoft dominated society (china)
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| 01:31 | <ogra> most work, but dont go for the ebox (Term 1000) it will definately give you headdaches
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| 01:32 | <itai-michaelson> thank you all very much for the information, i will discuss this with my boss and hopefully return in a few days
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| 01:32 | <ogra> we're always here :)
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| 01:58 | <sbalneav> hooray, found my crash bug from this afternoon.
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| 01:59 | <ogra> yay
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| 01:59 | seems after a good dinner all works out fine :)
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| 02:06 | <sbalneav> I was just faffing from about 5:00 today onwards. Too tired, and a head full of cotton batten, seemingly.
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| 02:14 | <sbalneav> [night. Fa;;ing asleep
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| 02:33 | <itai-michaelson> ogra, jammcq -are you still there?
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| 02:33 | <rcy> they are most likely sleeping
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| 02:42 | <itai-michaelson> rcy, i was wondering if this http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS8878116441.html will work with ltsp
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| 02:42 | "wireless thin client"
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| 02:43 | <rcy> I bet it could be made to work
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