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| 07:45 | <DanSwano> hello all
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| 07:46 | I'm continuing to fix Xorg problems on some of our machines
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| 07:46 | Now I have another problem: Invalid argument for -config
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| 07:46 | I can't see full xinit commandline but I think it's correct
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| 12:15 | <DanSwano> hello all
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| 12:15 | <DanSwano> I'm continuing to fix Xorg problems on some of our machines
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| 12:16 | Now I have another problem: Invalid argument for -config
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| 12:22 | <bennabiy> alkisg: Would the hash get lost if it was set in ssh.c?
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| 12:24 | Are the variables declared in _set_env() not passed to the rc scripts?
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| 13:07 | <bennabiy> as in, could we add gchar *passhash; to the def of ssh_info in plugins/ssh/ssh.h, and then under _set_env() - setenv("LDM_HASHED_PASSWORD", sshinfo->hashpass, 1); and then have a simple call to crypt to hash the pass obtained and set in sshinfo->password?
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| 13:08 | no temp files created, and the different variables could be unset when needed.
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| 13:28 | <der_baer> arg there is an parsing error for the lts.conf witch destroys my coustom /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf. witch looks like this:
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| 13:28 | [00:01:2e:4e:54:81]
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| 13:28 | SCREEN_02 = shell
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| 13:28 | SCREEN_05 = 'xfreerdp'
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| 13:28 | RDP_SERVER = '10.112.42.152'
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| 13:28 | RDP_OPTIONS = '-f --ignore-certificate --no-nla'
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| 13:28 | but after booting /var/cache/ltsp/ltsp_config_env lokks like this:
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| 13:28 | root@ltsp51:~# cat /var/cache/ltsp/ltsp_config_env
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| 13:28 | ''''''SCREEN_02="shell"
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| 13:28 | SCREEN_05="xfreerdp"
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| 13:28 | RDP_SERVER="10.112.42.152"
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| 13:28 | RDP_OPTIONS="-f --ignore-certificate --no-nla"
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| 13:29 | NBD_ROOT_HOST=10.112.42.147
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| 13:29 | NBD_ROOT_NAME=ltsp_i386
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| 13:29 | <bennabiy> der_baer: please use pastebin for these kind of outputs
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| 13:29 | <der_baer> SERVER=10.112.42.147
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| 13:29 | SCREEN_07="ldm"
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| 13:29 | <bennabiy> !pastebin
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| 13:29 | <ltsp> pastebin: the LTSP pastebin is at http://ltsp.pastebin.com. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebin, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. Don't forget to paste the URL of the text here.
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| 13:30 | <der_baer> bennabiy: sorry ok next time
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| 13:30 | <bennabiy> der_baer: What distro?
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| 13:30 | <der_baer> System Ubuntu 12.04 ltsp-stand-alone
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| 13:32 | <bennabiy> Is this with a thin client, or fat client image?
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| 13:32 | <der_baer> bennabiy: thinclint image (ltsp-build-client -arch i386)
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| 13:34 | <der_baer> the funny thing is that deep in my mind I remember that i stumbeld over this error within my ltsp-cluster installtion, but i did not document how ore where i fixt it. ARGG
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| 13:34 | <bennabiy> der_baer: this might not seem important, but try setting your values in lts.conf as SCREEN_02="shell" with no spaces, and double quotes
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| 13:35 | der_baer: Is it only happening on the one client specified?
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| 13:38 | <der_baer> bennabiy: i just have on client for testing but this client is working correct within the lltsp-cluster enviroment
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| 13:39 | <bennabiy> der_baer: I am unfamiliar with ltsp-cluster. There might be aspects of it which are broken in newer releases. I would ask alkisg about it.
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| 13:39 | <der_baer> yeah but this on is a fresh standalone installtion
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| 13:40 | <bennabiy> ahh, when you said client, I took it as client image, not the physical hardware
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| 13:41 | So you generated a new client image using ltsp-build-client --arch i386?
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| 13:41 | <der_baer> ohh ok without any spaces and qouts at least ltsp_config_env looks correct
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| 13:41 | <bennabiy> Yes, are you able to log in now?
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| 13:42 | Is it rdp you are having issues with?
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| 13:45 | <der_baer> yep the goal is to get rdp only clients
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| 13:47 | <bennabiy> Hmm.. I have not done much with RDP so far...
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| 13:48 | I will be doing more with it soon, but perhaps someone else has more specifics on getting it working
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| 13:53 | <der_baer> ok it working so fare thank for the tip with the qoutes
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| 13:53 | <bennabiy> no problem :)
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| 13:53 | good luck with it
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| 14:32 | <championofcyrodi> ltsp.org is not really responding to web requests. :\
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| 14:32 | (for me)
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| 14:45 | <Hyperbyte> Retry.
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| 14:56 | <bennabiy> alkisg: did you see my suggestion above?
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| 14:56 | welcome by the way :)
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| 14:56 | <alkisg> Hi bennabiy, hi all
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| 14:57 | Just a quick glance... I really don't want to study ldm internals, i've been carefully avoiding it for the past years :)
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| 14:57 | <bennabiy> I do not blame you :)
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| 14:57 | <alkisg> (because that effort would better go to replacing LDM with something that uses PAM)
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| 14:58 | So, for me, no LDM, ltsp-cluster, nbd-proxy, udhcp...
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| 14:58 | localdev, localapps... etc etc :)
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| 14:59 | * alkisg doesn't use/care about more than 50% of the current LTSP code :D | |
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| 15:00 | <bennabiy> at what point does the code get compiled, as far as ldm is concerned?
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| 15:01 | does it happen on the local machine, or at launchpad?
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| 15:02 | I should be able to update the code, and then do a make make install (I seem to recall seeing Makefiles in the code...)
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| 15:03 | <alkisg> apt-get source ldm; apt-get build-dep ldm; cd ldm; debuild -b -tc
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| 15:03 | That gives you a .deb
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| 15:04 | .deb files usually get generated in launchpad
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| 15:04 | But of course you can create one locally
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| 15:04 | <bennabiy> I pulled the source from launchpad, but was not sure which the best way to test code changes
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| 15:04 | <ogra_> alkisg, apt-get source -b ldm
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| 15:05 | thats the equivalent one liner of the above ;)
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| 15:05 | <alkisg> ldm-trunk at launchpad doesn't have the debian/ dir
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| 15:05 | ogra_: cool
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| 15:05 | <bennabiy> ah, good point
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| 15:05 | but would apt-get source ldm get me the current version of code?
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| 15:06 | <alkisg> ogra_: that doesn't do `build-dep` though
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| 15:06 | <ogra_> alkisg, hmm, it should
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| 15:06 | <alkisg> The man page only mentions about compiling...
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| 15:07 | <ogra_> well, then it would be: apt-get build-dep ldm; apt-get source -b
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| 15:07 | +ldm
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| 15:07 | <alkisg> OK, I still prefer the long way because that way one can re-compile without re-running apt-get source... :D
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| 15:07 | <ogra_> point is apt-get sourc ecan do a build automatically with -b
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| 15:07 | <alkisg> So one less flag to remember :)
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| 15:08 | bennabiy: no, it would get you the source that maps to the distro/version you're using
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| 15:08 | You can also manually download the debian tree from vagrantc's bazaar branch...
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| 15:08 | Or you can use a launchpad recipe
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| 15:09 | E.g. https://code.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/+recipe/ldm-trunk-daily
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| 15:09 | <bennabiy> How much has the codebase changed since trusty?
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| 15:09 | <alkisg> The downside there, is long waiting
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| 15:09 | <bennabiy> since what is in trusty?
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| 15:09 | <alkisg> I don't think ldm has been changed at all
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| 15:10 | <bennabiy> so it should be fine to grab the source from apt-get then, and then just update my branch for ldm.
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| 15:11 | <alkisg> Basically you need the ldm source, from wherever, ldm-trunk or apt-get source,
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| 15:11 | and the debian dir from wherever, ldm-debian-packaging branch or apt-get source
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| 15:12 | And a debuild -b -tc inside those
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| 15:17 | <championofcyrodi> Hyperbyte: website is responding quite fast now.
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| 15:17 | <Hyperbyte> championofcyrodi, good. I restarted apache. :)
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| 15:22 | <bennabiy> hmm, fresh install with ltsp-update-image --cleanup / is not working
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| 15:23 | tftp failing
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| 15:26 | <alkisg> Which tftp? tftpd-hpa?
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| 15:26 | <bennabiy> yes
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| 15:26 | * alkisg doesn't ever use that one either :) | |
| 15:26 | <championofcyrodi> i always have to bounce either nbd-server or tftpd-hpa services
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| 15:27 | <alkisg> Hopefully those daemons that are broken in upstart, will be OK with the systemd change...
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| 15:27 | <bennabiy> alkisg: what are you using for tftp?
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| 15:27 | <alkisg> dnsmasq, for dns/dhcp/tftp
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| 15:28 | !ltsp-pnp
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| 15:28 | <ltsp> ltsp-pnp: ltsp-pnp is an alternative (upstream) method to maintain LTSP installations for thin and fat clients that doesn't involve chroots: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ltsp-pnp
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| 15:28 | <alkisg> I'm more or less using the instructions from there
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| 15:29 | <bennabiy> If doing dual nic, do I need the ipappend?
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| 15:29 | <alkisg> You only need ipappend if you're using an unmanaged router for the dhcp server
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| 15:30 | <bennabiy> I would be using isc-dhcp-server
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| 15:31 | <alkisg> Sure, whatever suits you
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| 16:31 | <bennabiy> Now before I get grilled over the fire again, how are we doing whitespace? spaces or tabs?
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| 16:32 | <alkisg> 4 spaces
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| 16:32 | * alkisg would prefer tabs for shell scripts, as it's part of their posix syntax... | |
| 16:36 | <vagrantc> posix defines tabs?
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| 16:36 | <alkisg> Posix defines the semantics of <<-EOF, which mentions tabs
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| 16:36 | <<-EOF doesn't work with spaces, it only works with tabs
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| 16:37 | "If the operator is “<<-” instead of “<<”, then leading tabs in the here-doc-text are stripped."
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| 16:38 | And of course it would be lame to use tabs in here-docs for indentation, and spaces elsewhere...
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| 16:39 | <vagrantc> huh
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| 16:39 | <alkisg> Also, tabs save disk space and network bandwidth :P
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| 16:41 | <championofcyrodi> because they're a single character!
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| 17:02 | <||cw> best reason for tabs is that it lets the developer display it however they like using their editor's option
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| 17:06 | <vagrantc> i find technical reasons more compelling
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| 17:07 | not sure why exactly, i've always preferred spaces...
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| 17:07 | <bennabiy> so tabs vs spaces ~= lean vs bloat ;)
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| 17:09 | <bennabiy> spaces it is
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| 17:09 | <vagrantc> i think the predictibility of a space is why i've always liked them...
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| 17:09 | the fact that tabs can change depending on how youre viewing them has really messed e up on many occasions.
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| 17:09 | <bennabiy> vagrantc: did you used to do ascii art?
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| 17:10 | <||cw> technically, whitespace is not required at all, unless you're doing python
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| 17:10 | so it's really purely a preference, and any technical claim on that is a mask
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| 17:10 | <vagrantc> whitespace is pretty required :P
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| 17:10 | <wouter> vagrantc: why would it matter what the code looks like on someone else's system?
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| 17:11 | <vagrantc> wouter: i use many systems to review code, and some are not very flexible about what a tab looks like
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| 17:12 | <wouter> ah, yes, well
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| 17:12 | <vagrantc> i.e. browsing a vcs in a web browser, or a pastebin, etc.
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| 17:12 | overall, it seems silly to be so opinionated. but here i am.
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| 17:18 | <championofcyrodi> Anyone familiar with the gnome-keyring on LTSP?
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| 17:18 | <vagrantc> championofcyrodi: fat client or thin client?
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| 17:18 | <championofcyrodi> fat
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| 17:18 | oh btw... I'm running fat clients on intel NUCs
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| 17:19 | <vagrantc> what distro?
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| 17:19 | <championofcyrodi> ubuntu 14.04
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| 17:19 | * vagrantc is just collecting useful information, has no idea how to solve | |
| 17:19 | <championofcyrodi> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+bug/1320982
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| 17:20 | i made a bug, since I don't think it should be creating temp files until the disk is full.
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| 17:20 | I'm just hoping to provide more/better information in the bug report
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| 17:20 | <vagrantc> yeah, thanks for the bug
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| 17:20 | <championofcyrodi> Since I don't know C/C++ syntax
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| 17:20 | <vagrantc> i wonder if you're using ldap... does it prioritize LDAP over the local users?
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| 17:21 | <championofcyrodi> in the /etc/nsswitch.conf? no, the order is compat sss
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| 17:21 | <vagrantc> try switching it around
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| 17:21 | <championofcyrodi> where compat is some kind of variant to 'files'
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| 17:21 | hmm good idea.
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| 17:21 | <vagrantc> right
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| 17:22 | LDM creates a local user in addition to LDAP, so maybe gnome-keyring isn't handling that well.
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| 17:22 | <championofcyrodi> perhaps. I'll update the image and give that a try
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| 17:22 | brb
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| 17:24 | <championofcyrodi> Looks like this:
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| 17:24 | passwd: compat sss
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| 17:24 | group: compat sss
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| 17:24 | shadow: compat
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| 17:24 | alkisg mentioned that the LTSP client only copies the passwd file and not shadow file, which is why gnome locking fails
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| 17:24 | <championofcyrodi> *screen locking
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| 17:25 | here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ltsp/+bug/1316320
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| 17:28 | <vagrantc> right
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| 17:28 | why don't you check ldap for shadow?
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| 17:40 | <bennabiy> vagrantc, alkisg: What c standard are we adhering to?
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| 17:48 | <cyberorg> championofcyrodi, i've tried "ltsp-remoteapps gnome-screensaver" in /usr/bin/gnome-screensaver script and "ltsp-remoteapps gnome-screensaver-command $@" in gnome-screensaver-command script, it works
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| 18:00 | <championofcyrodi> sorry... just carted in a 5000VA UPS from the delivery guy :P
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| 18:00 | cyberorg: i actually switched to using xscreensaver, and it seems to work okay
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| 18:02 | vagrantc: On second thought, i think that perhaps there is a different issue. the Keyring is asking to set a password for the new keyring, at which point it is hanging. (Not verification of an existing password)
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| 20:09 | <santos> I am having a little issue installing anything in the chroot
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| 20:10 | I use apt-get install and the it tells me it needs a lot of dependencies
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| 20:10 | that what apt is forrrrrrrr
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| 20:10 | hehehe any tips?
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| 20:13 | <bennabiy> santos: you might want to try aptitude if you want easy dependency checking...
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| 20:13 | <santos> try to install it same deal
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| 20:13 | aptitude needs dependecies .... and there I go again
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| 20:15 | <bennabiy> try putting a sample of the output you are getting on pastebin, and then link it here
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| 20:17 | alkisg, vagrantc: is it ok to include a dependency to <crypt.h>
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| 20:17 | <santos> http://pastebin.com/sYiDJsz9
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| 20:19 | <bennabiy> santos: looks like something you tried to install did not finish. Did you try doing what it says to do?
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| 20:19 | sudo apt-get install -f
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| 20:20 | <santos> was trying to install saucy
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| 20:20 | <bennabiy> from?
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| 20:20 | I am sure there is an easier way to do it...
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| 20:21 | Is this for a thin client image?
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| 20:21 | sudo ltsp-build-client --dist=saucy
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| 20:21 | <santos> yes
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| 20:21 | <bennabiy> will pull you a saucy thinclient chroot
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| 20:22 | <santos> how can I update my ltsp version?
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| 20:22 | <vagrantc> santos: you probably have a mix of sources.list entries or something that result in unresolvable dependencies?
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| 20:22 | <santos> i have 3.2
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| 20:22 | you got it
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| 20:22 | <bennabiy> ltsp 3.2?
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| 20:23 | <vagrantc> santos: start at the beginning...
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| 20:23 | santos: what did you originally try to do?
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| 20:23 | what os were you running, what commands did you run...
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| 20:23 | * bennabiy appreciates vagrantc... | |
| 20:23 | <santos> check this
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| 20:23 | http://pastebin.com/LKzXQADs
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| 20:24 | I have edubuntu 12.04
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| 20:24 | <vagrantc> santos: looks like an incomplete install
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| 20:24 | <santos> installed the ltsp from the setup
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| 20:24 | <vagrantc> it never finished installing ltsp-client or ltsp-client-core
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| 20:24 | <santos> somedays ago I tried to update to saucy cuz hdmi wasn't wrking on a thin client I have
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| 20:25 | <vagrantc> "from the setup" ??
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| 20:25 | <santos> yeah when is istalling the system
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| 20:26 | <vagrantc> from the CD install?
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| 20:26 | <santos> from the iso
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| 20:26 | <vagrantc> got it
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| 20:26 | a poorly timed glitch in network connectivity might have broken your install.
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| 20:27 | <santos> how do I set everything back
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| 20:27 | <vagrantc> either try reinstalling from scratch, or at least removing the broken ltsp install and manually installing it
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| 20:27 | <santos> got it
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| 20:27 | thanks man
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| 20:28 | <vagrantc> sudo rm -rf /opt/ltsp ; sudo ltsp-build-client <options>
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| 20:28 | <santos> this is a test machine
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| 20:28 | <vagrantc> or just reinstall from scratch ... make sure your install media is good.
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| 20:28 | you have decent network connectivity?
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| 20:31 | <santos> no
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| 20:32 | dominican republic
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| 20:32 | hehehehehe
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| 20:32 | will try it later thanks
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| 20:32 | <vagrantc> beuna suerte
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| 20:38 | <softlopes> hi
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| 20:39 | im brazilian
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| 20:39 | ihelp-me please
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| 20:39 | <bennabiy> vagrantc: do you see anything wrong with including crypt.h in ssh.c includes?
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| 20:39 | <softlopes> ops
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| 20:39 | <bennabiy> !ask
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| 20:39 | <ltsp> ask: Don't ask to ask a question, simply ask it, and if someone knows the answer, they'll respond. Please hang around for at least a full hour after asking a question, as not everybody constantly monitors the channel.
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| 20:39 | <softlopes> help me please
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| 20:40 | <bennabiy> softlopes: please include more information like distribution, what you need help with, type of system, etc.
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| 20:41 | <softlopes> I need the tutorial of install LTSP 5 on Debian 7 whyzee
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| 20:42 | could you please pass me the link of the step by step tutorial of install LTSP 5.4 in debian 7 whyzee
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| 20:43 | please help me
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| 21:20 | <alkisg> bennabiy: yup it's ok to include <crypt.h>
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| 21:21 | About code identation, standards etc, there's a readme file somewhere in -trunk that mentions the decisions of the team some years ago...
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| 21:23 | ./ldm-trunk/README-DEVELOPMENT-POLICY
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| 21:23 | ./ltsp-trunk/common/doc/CodingStyle
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| 21:24 | Haha it's almost the same file except for the last 2 lines... yet it has a different name in those trees
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