IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 8 December 2006 (all times are UTC)
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| 02:13 | <mathesis> do you speak spanish?
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| 03:12 | <aa> I get TFTP Error Forbidden Directory
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| 03:12 | when i try to boot my client
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| 03:12 | can anyone help me regarding this?
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| 03:24 | <wizzy> aa: Add a little verbosity to the tftp server - an extra -v -v in /etc/inetd.conf or /etc/xinetd/tftpd
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| 03:53 | <aa> wizzy: I used verbose mode in the tftgp client on the server itself
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| 03:53 | and tried to get some files but then also the same probs
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| 03:54 | Even when I intentionally type any filename which may not be present it gives same error Forbidden Directory
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| 04:02 | <wizzy> aa: is the Forbidden Directory message in the server logs ?
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| 04:03 | or a client message ?
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| 04:04 | <aa> its a client message
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| 04:05 | but when I try to use the tftp client which is present on the server then also the same error comes when i try to get the file from tftp server
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| 04:05 | <wizzy> I find it mildly annoying on the Edubuntu thin client boot that I cannot separate the tftp-server from the root nfs-server. On 2.4 kernels, I could say option root-path "192.168.42.3:/diskless/petrel" - I cannot specify the host with the latest releases.
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| 04:05 | aa: What does it say in the server logs ?
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| 04:06 | aa: iptables in your way ?
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| 04:07 | <aa> I am new to all this and so don't know where the server is there
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| 04:07 | i mean logs are there
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| 04:08 | <wizzy> cd /var/log ; grep -lr tftp .
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| 04:09 | That should tell you which logs, if any, are being written by tftp server. The client environment is not set up without a kernel - debugging should be on the server
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| 04:11 | <aa> no i think i am not able to explain u clearly
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| 04:11 | <wizzy> aa: Do you have access to the server ?
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| 04:13 | <aa> Actually Initially I started the server and started the client with the help of PXE bootable floppy but could not boot due to the mentioned error so afterwards to check the proper tftp is running i tried using the tftp client on the server itself and then also the same error came
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| 04:13 | <wizzy> find the server logs first, and make sure the server is logging : -v -v
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| 04:14 | dont bother with anything else
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| 04:14 | <aa> I have access to the server but the probs is that the machines are at my different office and here i m at other office so can't check and tell you now itself
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| 04:14 | I tried ltspadmin utility
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| 04:14 | and over that it says that tftpd is running
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| 04:40 | <Empiric> hi
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| 04:43 | i have done ubuntu ltsp
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| 04:43 | all good
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| 04:43 | i have dotmatrix printers attatched to thinclients
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| 04:43 | how i use them
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| 04:43 | any idea
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| 04:48 | <Patina> Like any other printer, you probably don't need drivers for those.
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| 05:44 | <vaineh> this may be a silly question but if my ltsp server doesnt have a soundcard is there any way i can still run a sound server for terminals to use or does it require the hardware?
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| 05:48 | <Empiric> patina yes
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| 05:48 | i have ubuntu though
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| 05:49 | i have define [ws022]
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| 05:49 | PRINTER_0_TYPE = P
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| 05:49 | PRINTER_0_DEVICE = /dev/lp0
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| 05:49 | PRINTER_0_PORT = 9100
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| 05:49 | PRINTER_0_WRITE_ONLY = Y
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| 05:49 | in ltsp file
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| 05:49 | also fix an ip in dhcp
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| 05:49 | how i define in ubuntu print manager to get to the printyer
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| 05:51 | <wizzy> Empiric: I would fix the address of the client with the printer (ws022) using DHCP, and then use that address in cups
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| 05:52 | <cliebow> vaineh:yes syou need a sound card.preferably pci
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| 05:52 | <vaineh> thx
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| 05:52 | <Empiric> how i add in cups
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| 05:52 | <wizzy> cliebow: for the /server/ ?
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| 05:52 | <Empiric> wizzy
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| 05:52 | <cliebow> lpd p[rinter
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| 05:53 | <Empiric> is there any error in my config
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| 05:53 | <cliebow> seems ok tot me
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| 05:53 | <wizzy> http://server:631/
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| 05:53 | <cliebow> just pretend it is a printserver jetdirect print server
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| 05:54 | <Empiric> ok
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| 05:54 | wait let me check
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| 05:54 | <cliebow> id use like printer admin
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| 05:54 | in ubuntu'
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| 05:54 | wizzy: no need for sound card in server
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| 05:54 | ltsp sound redirects sound
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| 05:55 | <vaineh> cliebow: huh?
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| 05:56 | cliebow: didnt you just say i needed a sound card?
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| 05:57 | <cliebow> no card needed for server..course you need one in client..you said it was a silly question
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| 05:57 | you'd be surprised some of the questions 8~)
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| 05:58 | <vaineh> thought i said server
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| 05:58 | <cliebow> oh probably you did..sorry to confuse the issue
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| 05:58 | <vaineh> :)
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| 05:59 | im not getting anywhere with it at the moment anyway
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| 06:02 | <wizzy> I find it mildly annoying on the Edubuntu thin client boot that I cannot separate the tftp-server from the root nfs-server. On 2.4 kernels, I could say option root-path "192.168.42.3:/diskless/petrel" - I cannot specify the host with the latest releases.
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| 06:10 | <cliebow> let ogra have a syab at that one
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| 06:10 | s/syab/stab
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| 06:12 | <Empiric> wizzy i have gnome
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| 06:13 | i have defined jet direct with ip of thinclient and port 9100
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| 06:13 | <ogra_> Empiric, are you using edgy ? there was no printer support before edgy in ubuntu
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| 06:13 | <Empiric> yes
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| 06:15 | <ogra_> the login manager (ldm) should show you the ip of the client ...
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| 06:15 | use the gnome-print dialog and add a JetDirect printer with the ip and port set
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| 06:16 | (and select the proper driver indeed)
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| 06:16 | <cliebow> bbiab
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| 06:16 | ograa:any reason you cant pick another nfs?
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| 06:17 | server?
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| 06:17 | <Empiric> no
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| 06:18 | <ogra_> cliebow, ?
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| 06:37 | <Empiric> hai
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| 06:38 | <Empiric> i ahve new compaq machine on ubuntu eggy
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| 06:38 | they wont pick display
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| 06:38 | previously i have X_COLOR_DEPTH = 16
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| 06:38 | # X_HORZSYNC=24-60
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| 06:38 | X_VERTREFRESH=56-70
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| 06:38 | any idea
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| 07:37 | <Empiric> ogra u there
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| 07:46 | <cliebow_> ogra:a fller could use root-path to direct a client to one of several nfs root filesystems couldnt you?
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| 07:51 | <vaineh> is esound server the same as esd?
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| 08:41 | <sbalneav> Morning all!
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| 08:51 | <pscheie> g'morning scotty!
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| 08:51 | <vaineh> is there anything other than putting screen_02=shell into lts.conf that i need to do in order to get a shell on screen 2, cos it doesnt work :/
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| 08:56 | <sbalneav> Morning jammcq
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| 08:56 | <jammcq> g'morning
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| 08:56 | Scotty !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 08:56 | dude, where you been man?
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| 08:56 | <sbalneav> vaineh: Did you capitalize the "SCREEN" part?
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| 08:56 | Round the province.
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| 08:56 | We upgraded all the out of town servers.
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| 08:57 | Edgy + Ubuntu + ltsp5 :)
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| 08:57 | * jammcq started to think you pulled a "whiprush" on us | |
| 08:57 | <vaineh> SCREEN_02 = shell
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| 08:57 | <sbalneav> I did 2200 kilometers in 5 days
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| 08:57 | <vaineh> thats the line ive got
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| 08:58 | <jammcq> sbalneav: hey, are you at the office?
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| 08:58 | <sbalneav> yes
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| 08:58 | <jammcq> hmm, are you on the phone?
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| 08:58 | <sbalneav> On the phone at the moment :)
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| 08:58 | Now I'm off
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| 08:58 | <jammcq> ah, that explains the "I'm out of the office until the 8th" message
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| 09:11 | <cliebow_> Dudes::Where have you both been?
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| 09:11 | <vaineh> is there a way i can find out which terminals and their hostnames are currently connected to an ltsp server ???
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| 09:11 | <cliebow_> vaineh:there is teachertool
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| 09:12 | or you could swipe the netstat command from it
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| 09:14 | <vaineh> where can i get that
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| 09:15 | <cliebow_> pastebin.com/
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| 09:15 | just a sec
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| 09:16 | taking 14 forevers
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| 09:18 | <pscheie> vaineh: google fl_teachertool, first one on the list
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| 09:18 | <vaineh> ta
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| 09:18 | <cliebow_> well for a start..netstat -t -e|grep X11
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| 09:19 | vaineh:my old teach is in weird science and experimentsl if you want it
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| 09:19 | lordy: cant get a rise out of pastebin
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| 09:21 | <vaineh> according to that nothing has X11 in it
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| 09:22 | <cliebow_> x11
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| 09:23 | not X11..trying to get you the sed piece..i dont dare try to type that
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| 09:24 | <cliebow_> scared Him i guess
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| 09:33 | <vaineh> im getting nowhere with ltsp sound :(
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| 09:35 | <efra> Hi everybody
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| 09:46 | <vaineh> why is sound such a bugger
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| 09:48 | <Gadi> vaineh: are you not getting sound at all?
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| 09:48 | <vaineh> nope
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| 09:49 | <Gadi> is the thin client loading the driver for the soundcard and running esd?
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| 09:49 | <vaineh> i was trying to follow the wiki section but i dont know what bits aren't working
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| 09:50 | <Gadi> start at the lowest level and work your way up
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| 09:50 | start with the soudncard on the thin client
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| 09:50 | then esd on the thin client
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| 09:50 | then configure the apps on the server
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| 09:50 | to use esd
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| 09:51 | that would be my way to debug
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| 09:51 | <vaineh> i dont understand, i thought esd was on the server not the client
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| 09:51 | <Gadi> nope
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| 09:51 | esd is a daemon that runs on the client
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| 09:51 | by default
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| 09:51 | as long as it finds a driver for the soundcard
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| 09:52 | <vaineh> how do i know if its doing that?
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| 09:52 | <Gadi> the apps on the server are "esd clients" to the esd daemon on the thin client
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| 09:52 | you could set: SCREEN_02 = shell
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| 09:52 | reboot the terminal
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| 09:52 | hit ctrl-alt-f2
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| 09:52 | <vaineh> ahhh... yeah ive done that, but i dont get anything on screen 2
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| 09:52 | <Gadi> and at the shell, type: ps|grep esd
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| 09:52 | <vaineh> :(
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| 09:52 | <Gadi> did you reboot the terminal?
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| 09:53 | <vaineh> yeh
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| 09:53 | <Gadi> thats impossible
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| 09:53 | which LTSP are you using?
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| 09:55 | <vaineh> 4.1
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| 09:56 | <Gadi> perhaps something is broken?
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| 09:56 | SCREEN_02 = shell
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| 09:56 | should work
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| 10:00 | <vaineh> ok, i know what the screen problem is
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| 10:01 | on a couple of the workstations im using a flashcard loaded with pxe cos the network cards dont allow boot
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| 10:02 | on another workstation with decent network card i get screen
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| 10:12 | <vaineh> an ls -l on /dev/dsp gives /dev/dsp -> sound/dsp in the shell on screen02
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| 10:12 | <Gadi> what about: ps|grep esd
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| 10:12 | or: ps -ael|grep esd
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| 10:13 | <vaineh> /bin/esd -nobeeps -tcp -port something
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| 10:14 | its there
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| 10:14 | <Gadi> great, so clients done - do you have spkrs/headphone on that client?
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| 10:14 | <vaineh> yeah
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| 10:14 | <Gadi> ok, ctrl-alt-f1 back to linux and log in
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| 10:14 | <vaineh> yep
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| 10:15 | <Gadi> ok, are you in gnome? kde?
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| 10:15 | <vaineh> kde
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| 10:15 | <Gadi> ah, this is easier in gnome (for me, anyway)
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| 10:15 | <vaineh> :)
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| 10:15 | <Gadi> somewhere in the kde control center, find sound
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| 10:15 | :)
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| 10:15 | <vaineh> yep
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| 10:15 | <Gadi> ok, set the sound server to esd
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| 10:16 | it may be sound sink or sound output or some such
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| 10:16 | <vaineh> select audio device?
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| 10:16 | <Gadi> but, somewhere there should be an "Enlightened Sound Daemon" option
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| 10:16 | <vaineh> i dont see it
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| 10:17 | <Gadi> what under audio device?
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| 10:17 | <vaineh> auto, alsa, jack audio, no audio, oss, thread open sound system
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| 10:17 | are the options
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| 10:18 | i can overrid the device location and put in other custom options
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| 10:18 | <Gadi> ah, you are probably lacking an esound package on the server to add that as an option
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| 10:18 | what distro?
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| 10:18 | <vaineh> suse 10
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| 10:19 | <Gadi> can you use your package manager to try and find a client package for esd
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| 10:19 | could be libesd
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| 10:19 | or esound-clients
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| 10:19 | or some such
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| 10:19 | * Gadi not familiar with suse package names | |
| 10:19 | <vaineh> righto, i'll have a look
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| 10:19 | <Gadi> I think that was the big hangup
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| 10:20 | once you have it in there, esound should be another option
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| 10:20 | and that *should* make things work better
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| 10:20 | alternatively, I know some kde folks use NAS (SOUND_DAEMON = nas) in lts.conf, which may work better for you
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| 10:21 | but, dont go down too many different roads at once
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| 10:21 | you'll go mad
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| 10:21 | <vaineh> lol
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| 10:22 | <Gadi> keep in mind, Novell doesnt really optimize for LTSP
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| 10:22 | so, thats why the pkgs you may need might not be in a default install
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| 10:22 | and some of their default apps may not be the friendliest for LTSP sound
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| 10:23 | not to scare you, just a heads up
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| 10:23 | ill stop babbling now
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| 10:23 | <vaineh> lol no worries
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| 10:24 | "esound" is installed
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| 10:24 | and "esound-devel"
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| 10:25 | <Gadi> ok, see if it comes up as an option on the list
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| 10:25 | <cliebow_> please babble..
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| 10:25 | <vaineh> no i mean it was already installed
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| 10:25 | :/
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| 10:25 | <Gadi> ah, are there any other packages with esound?
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| 10:26 | sometimes they split the server from the client
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| 10:26 | search for "esd"
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| 10:26 | or "esound"
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| 10:27 | <vaineh> just got those 2 really
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| 10:27 | a couple of esd plugins
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| 10:27 | nothing else really
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| 10:27 | <Gadi> if it seems like its installed, pop open a terminal window and type: esd<tab><tab>
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| 10:27 | see if there are a few esd executables in the system
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| 10:27 | <vaineh> esdplay etc
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| 10:27 | esdrec
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| 10:27 | <Gadi> ok, so its installed
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| 10:28 | esddsp?
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| 10:28 | <vaineh> yep
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| 10:28 | <Gadi> is that one of them?
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| 10:28 | ok, good
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| 10:28 | go back to the kde control panel - is there still no esd?
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| 10:28 | <vaineh> nope
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| 10:29 | <Gadi> ok, then I would prolly try the path of least resistance at this point and put: SOUND_DAEMON = nas
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| 10:29 | in lts.conf
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| 10:29 | and reboot the terminal
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| 10:29 | oh, actually, before the reboot,
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| 10:30 | <vaineh> yep
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| 10:30 | <Gadi> I seem to remember when using NAS and KDE, you have to go into the advanced section of the KDE control panel and turn the sound buffering down to the lowest level
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| 10:30 | <vaineh> righto
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| 10:31 | <Gadi> then log out, and reboot the terminal and see if you get lucky (/me knows so little about KDE+ NAS)
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| 10:31 | but, I think there's more on the wiki
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| 10:32 | <Gadi> oops, I think its SOUND_DAEMON=nasd
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| 10:32 | not nas
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| 10:32 | sorry
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| 10:32 | see if this helps: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/MdkSound
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| 10:34 | if I could get a witness from the KDE congregation at this point, it would be useful!
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| 10:34 | <vaineh> k just gonna follow tha tguide
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| 10:40 | sigh, fallen at the first hurdle, nas not installed and not coming up in the list of stuff to install
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| 10:42 | <Matgesis> i have a problem with etherboot a client
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| 10:43 | <cliebow_> and....-->
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| 10:43 | <Matgesis> Searching for sever (DHCP).....Me: 192.168.0.249 Server:0.0.0.0. Gateway 192.168.0.1 Loading 0.0.0.0:/ltsp/i386/nbi.img
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| 10:48 | <cliebow_> so no tftp? see a bunch of dots loading real slow?
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| 10:48 | ooh
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| 10:48 | do you have next-server option set/
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| 10:48 | <Matgesis> etherboot
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| 10:49 | <cliebow_> !next-server
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| 10:49 | <ltspbot> cliebow_: Error: "next-server" is not a valid command.
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| 10:49 | <cliebow_> oh well
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| 10:49 | !dhcp
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| 10:49 | <ltspbot> cliebow_: Error: "dhcp" is not a valid command.
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| 10:50 | <Matgesis> !Server:0.0.0.
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| 10:50 | <ltspbot> Matgesis: Error: "Server:0.0.0." is not a valid command.
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| 10:50 | <Matgesis> !Loading 0.0.0.0:/ltsp/i386/nbi.img
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| 10:50 | <ltspbot> Matgesis: Error: "Loading" is not a valid command.
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| 10:51 | <Matgesis> cliebow_: you have muekow?
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| 10:51 | <cliebow_> read this..http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/DHCP
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| 10:52 | i use 4.2..only have a testbed muekopw
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| 11:00 | <Matgesis> you have muekow implement?
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| 11:06 | <jammcq> howdie
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| 11:09 | <cliebow_> jammcq:Heyyyyyyy!!
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| 11:10 | Mathesis: i installed on lappie..just "worked"..havnt used it in a little while
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| 11:15 | <Mathesis> whit pxe or etherboot?
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| 11:17 | <cliebow_> etherboot
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| 11:18 | <Mathesis> not found documentation muekow for dhcp
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| 11:19 | is more simply dhcp in muekow
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| 11:20 | <cliebow_> grep next-server /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf
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| 11:26 | <vaineh> i cant get nasd installed for suse
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| 11:43 | <Mathesis> se efra
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| 11:43 | si tambien andas por aca
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| 11:43 | <efra> Hola Mathesis
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| 11:43 | Si de hecho si
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| 11:44 | <vaineh> anyone know how i can configure arts with esd support?
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| 12:11 | <jammcq> vagrantc: hey, is LTSP-5 in Debian Testing or Unstable or both?
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| 12:11 | or neither
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| 12:35 | <efra> jammcq: on testing is not
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| 12:36 | <jammcq> unstable ?
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| 12:36 | <efra> Not sure about unstable
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| 12:36 | <jammcq> what's left?
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| 12:51 | <vagrantc> jammcq: uh, yeah, it's in testing.
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| 12:51 | jammcq: hopefully soon to be stable.
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| 12:51 | jammcq: and unstable- the vesion in unstable and testing is the same.
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| 12:51 | <jammcq> vagrantc: ah, cool. I get to stand up in front of a bunch of folks here at OSDL in a couple of minutes, and I wanna make sure that I speak the truth
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| 12:51 | so, Unstable AND Testing have LTSP-5
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| 12:52 | <vagrantc> jammcq: i meant, it's not a complete implementation- missing localdev and local printing, but nearly everything else.
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| 12:52 | jammcq: what i really wonder is... when will we see an LTSP 5 upstream :P
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| 12:54 | <Mathesis> se vagrantc
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| 12:55 | checking if image is initramfs... it isn't (bad gzip magic numbers); looks like an initrd _
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| 12:55 | <vagrantc> Mathesis: strange.
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| 13:07 | jammcq: http://packages.debian.org/src:ltsp
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| 13:09 | <dberkholz> jammcq: heard of 2x? they gpl'd their nx around the end of august
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| 13:10 | <jammcq> dberkholz: hmmm
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| 13:11 | <dberkholz> there's freenx too, but that doesn't have the client side
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| 13:11 | i think 2x has a client
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| 13:11 | <vagrantc> dberkholz: URL ?
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| 13:12 | <dberkholz> http://code.2x.com/linuxterminalserver
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| 13:12 | <vagrantc> seems like there's some namespace conflict with LTSP
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| 13:13 | <jammcq> hmm, seems kinda like it, eh?
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| 13:14 | 'TerminalServer' != 'Terminal Server' ?
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| 13:14 | <dberkholz> it's tough when you've got a generic-sounding name like that
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| 13:14 | <vagrantc> maybe using computer logic, but using human eye-brain logic ...
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| 13:15 | <jammcq> the 2x guys hired the PXES guy I think
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| 13:26 | <vagrantc> looks like the 2x code includes a private implementation of SQLite, libpng and a could other things :(
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| 13:26 | passwd ... gross.
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| 13:26 | it's almost like an LBE :)
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| 13:31 | <kurt> anyone in here good with the localdev stuff in 4.2???
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| 13:35 | <jammcq> oh, you just missed sbalneav, he was here about 10 minutes ago
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| 13:35 | what's the problem?
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| 13:35 | <vagrantc> i was comparing the 2x codebase to the LBE in that it seems like it's almost it's own linux distribution.
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| 13:38 | <kurt> jammcq: heres the deal. I've a server loaded up with CentOS 4.4 and have the localdev items installed.
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| 13:39 | on the station I can log into my kde desktop and plug in a usb drive and I get the icon on my desktop as i should, but there is nothing in it.
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| 13:39 | <jammcq> sounds like a FUSE problem
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| 13:40 | all the message passing is working, the icon appears
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| 13:40 | but there's no filesystem support behind it
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| 13:40 | <kurt> exactly.
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| 13:40 | * vagrantc wonders who jammcq is talking to/with ... | |
| 13:40 | <jammcq> vagrantc: talking to kurt, don't you see him?
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| 13:40 | <vagrantc> jammcq: no ... weird.
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| 13:41 | <CaPriCoRN^80> i got same problem on k12-ltsp
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| 13:41 | <dberkholz> got a weird ignore regexp?
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| 13:41 | <jammcq> hmm, maybe you have an /ignore setup to ignore him
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| 13:41 | CaPriCoRN^80: tell us your problem, maybe we can help
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| 13:41 | <CaPriCoRN^80> my users were working fine n usb was working . but suddenly few users got this problem
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| 13:42 | <kurt> jammcq: any place you can think to look at off hand? I built the latest version of fuse from sf.net
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| 13:42 | <CaPriCoRN^80> thaty usb folder appears on Desktop but no data in it
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| 13:42 | <vagrantc> heh. i think some years ago there was some Kurt who was really annoying me ...
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| 13:42 | <jammcq> kurt: you need to follow this troubleshooting document: http://wiki1.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LTSP-42-LocalDev#Troubleshooting
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| 13:42 | <kurt> been through that several times trust me.
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| 13:43 | <jammcq> ok, you need to provide all of the answers to all 12 questions to Scott Balneaves <sbalneav@ltsp.org>
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| 13:43 | he'll be able to see where the problem is
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| 13:43 | <kurt> will do. Thanks Jim!
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| 13:43 | <jammcq> noprob
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| 13:43 | <CaPriCoRN^80> as i told that .. my users usb was working fine but suddenly it was creating problem . when user insert usb . Usb folder appears on Desktop but no files show in the usb
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| 13:43 | <jammcq> CaPriCoRN^80: hmm, sounds just like kurt's problem
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| 13:44 | check that you have the fuse.ko module loaded
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| 13:44 | make sure your users are part of the 'fuse' group
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| 13:44 | <CaPriCoRN^80> the folder is empty
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| 13:45 | n further more is that i have done all these steps of wiki
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| 13:47 | still i m facing problem
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| 13:47 | <jammcq> CaPriCoRN^80: I'll repeat the same thing I told Kurt. Run through the troubleshooting guide. Write down all of the answers to all 12 steps, and email it to sbalneav@ltsp.org
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| 13:49 | <CaPriCoRN^80> hmm
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| 13:49 | ok
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| 13:54 | <cliebow_> Cap:Id bet your perms on /dev/fuse are wrong
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| 14:10 | <CaPriCoRN^800> i will
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| 14:10 | as i m not in office
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| 14:10 | wat if i have that file ?
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| 14:10 | <mathesis> se vagrantc ya esta corriendo ltsp
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| 14:12 | <jammcq> Scotty !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 14:29 | <efra> | |
| 14:30 | I'm trying to log, but ldm just sends me back to login screen
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| 14:33 | <vagrantc> efra: probably have to run ltsp-update-sshkeys
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| 14:34 | <efra> Thanks vagrantc
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| 14:34 | I'll check
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| 14:34 | * vagrantc grumbles about ldm's poor design | |
| 14:35 | <efra> xD
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| 14:35 | Is not that bad. Is it?
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| 14:37 | <kurt> jammcq: think I solved the issue
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| 14:37 | <jammcq> kurt: cool. what was it?
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| 14:37 | <kurt> well, I'm a bit rusty on my udev rules but is the NAME field required in a udev rule?
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| 14:38 | <jammcq> umm, yer asking the wrong guy
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| 14:38 | <kurt> well, it looks like when you build fuse from source it put a udev rule out there that doesn't seem to do its job
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| 14:39 | <kurt> doesn't set the right permissions on /dev/fuse anyways.
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| 14:39 | <jammcq> ah, the old "Compile from Source" issue
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| 14:39 | <kurt> Once I changed that all was well.
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| 14:39 | yeah, darn that OSS software :-)
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| 14:40 | <dberkholz> there's a good udev rules howto on reactivated.net or so, google for udev rules howto
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| 14:40 | <kurt> gotta love it though!
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| 14:40 | anyways thanks for the idea to look into fuse more. Hopefully me and craig might get up to mug next week.
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| 14:42 | <CaPriCoRN^800> kurt : ur problem solved now ?
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| 14:43 | <cliebow_> Cap:Id bet your perms on /dev/fuse are wrong
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| 14:44 | <CaPriCoRN^800> kurt : u there ?
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| 14:45 | <cliebow_> No one can type that NICK especially me
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| 14:45 | <jammcq> cliebow_: I see you type like that all the time, should be easy for you
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| 14:46 | <cliebow_> Haaa!!
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| 14:46 | sort of ssl encrypted
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| 14:46 | need a key on both ends
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| 14:46 | <jammcq> more like rot-13
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| 14:46 | <cliebow_> 8~)
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| 14:48 | <kurt> CaPriCoRN^800: yep I'm here.
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| 14:48 | <CaPriCoRN^800> ok
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| 14:48 | <cliebow_> CaPriCoRN^800
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| 14:48 | Cool..
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| 14:49 | <kurt> CaPriCoRN^800: yes my problem is now solved.
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| 14:49 | <cliebow_> copy...paste...copy paste
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| 14:49 | <CaPriCoRN^800> ur problem solved ?
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| 14:49 | as i have the same problem with usb's
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| 14:50 | <kurt> did you compile fuse from source?
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| 14:50 | <CaPriCoRN^800> so wat was the problem
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| 14:50 | as u were saying that u have tried those steps again n again
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| 14:50 | <cliebow_> bbiab
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| 14:51 | <kurt> CaPriCoRN^800: the issue was the udev rule that the fuse install put into place. it wasn't setting the proper permissions on /dev/fuse
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| 14:52 | <CaPriCoRN^800> so wat u did for that ?
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| 14:52 | also can u tell me on which step u figure that problem ?
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| 14:53 | <kurt> CaPriCoRN^800: if you look at the section that says adding the user to the fuse group
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| 14:53 | <CaPriCoRN^800> ys
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| 14:54 | <mrlinux> i need help with configuring my eth
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| 14:54 | <kurt> under the Debian-Edu/Skolelinux section it talks about adding a udev rule...
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| 14:55 | <CaPriCoRN^800> i just only add my users to this .. usermod -G fuse -a user1 .. thats wat i did in this section
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| 14:55 | wat else u did that its working ?
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| 14:55 | <kurt> KERNEL="fuse", NAME="%k", MODE="0666",OWNER="root" GROUP="fuse"
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| 14:55 | <mrlinux> i need to have what is currently eth1 i need it to be eth0 any help
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| 14:55 | <kurt> do you see that line
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| 14:56 | <CaPriCoRN^800> yes
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| 14:56 | i hve Fedora
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| 14:56 | <kurt> put that into /etc/udev/rules.d/99-fuse.rules
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| 14:56 | <CaPriCoRN^800> so i m watching that
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| 14:56 | <kurt> remove what is currently in that file.
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| 14:56 | <jammcq> CaPriCoRN^800: before you worry about udev, take a look at the current perms on /dev/fuse
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| 14:57 | <CaPriCoRN^800> k
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| 14:58 | <kurt> put that into /etc/udev/rules.d/99-fuse.rules ... how ?
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| 14:58 | <kurt> first, do as jammcq suggested. what are does ls -l /dev/fuse show?
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| 14:58 | <CaPriCoRN^800> as there is no setting mentioned for Fedora
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| 14:59 | <pscheie> mrlinux: what distro?
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| 14:59 | <CaPriCoRN^800> only one line for Fedora i.e usermod -G fuse -a someuser
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| 14:59 | <mrlinux> Edubuntu
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| 15:00 | <CaPriCoRN^800> ah .. i m not in office .. i only got doc n i have output of all these steps
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| 15:00 | <pscheie> I can't recall: does *buntu have modprobe.conf or modprobe.d?
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| 15:00 | <kurt> CaPriCoRN^800: capricorn forget the instructions for a second. what does ls -l /dev/fuse show?
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| 15:00 | <CaPriCoRN^800> kurt : u just tell me wat permission u set for /dev/fuse ?
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| 15:01 | <kurt> 0666 and owned by the fuse group
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| 15:01 | <CaPriCoRN^800> i m telling u i m not in my office . thats y i cannot check it now
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| 15:02 | <kurt> i see.
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| 15:02 | <CaPriCoRN^800> thats y i m asking about ur settings
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| 15:02 | <kurt> that is what my problem was. if you built fuse from source there is a good chance that is problem. Now if you installed the fedora fuse package then it might not apply.
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| 15:03 | <str4nd> why some ltsp clients boots to tty1.. not X at default? (Ctrl+Alt+F7 always :-( )
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| 15:03 | <CaPriCoRN^800> u mean chmod 0666 /dev/fuse
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| 15:03 | <mrlinux> pscheie, modprobe.d
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| 15:04 | <kurt> CaPriCoRN^800: then chgrp fuse /dev/fuse
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| 15:04 | <CaPriCoRN^800> kurt is that ok ?
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| 15:05 | ok
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| 15:05 | <kurt> yep
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| 15:05 | <CaPriCoRN^800> anything else
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| 15:05 | <kurt> that did it for me
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| 15:06 | <CaPriCoRN^800> wat ?
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| 15:06 | <kurt> what we just discussed
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| 15:06 | <pscheie> mrlinux: one of the files in there has the aliases for things like eth0 and eth1
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| 15:06 | I forget which file, but just change the aliases around
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| 15:07 | <CaPriCoRN^800> ok
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| 15:07 | <mrlinux> k
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| 15:07 | <CaPriCoRN^800> ok
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| 15:08 | i hope this will also solve my problem
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| 15:08 | <vagrantc> !serversizing
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| 15:08 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: "serversizing" is http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/ServerSizing
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| 15:08 | <CaPriCoRN^800> as my steps give me almost same output mentioned
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| 15:09 | listen
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| 15:09 | wat should be the system of usb ?
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| 15:09 | fdisk -l /dev/sda
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| 15:09 | wat system mentioned by it ?
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| 15:10 | <mrlinux> pscheie, i cant find any file that has eth in it
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| 15:12 | <CaPriCoRN^800> kurt: can u check that fdisk -l /dev/sda ?
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| 15:15 | <CaPriCoRN^800> ?
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| 15:19 | anyone tell me
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| 15:19 | as this is my last question for today :P
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| 15:21 | <pscheie> mrlinux: alas, I don't have access to my kubuntu box at the moment. ;-(
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| 15:26 | <mrlinux> pscheie, i cant find any thing in modprobe.d that has any mention to network eth or interfaces
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| 16:03 | <vykarian> hey guys
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| 16:03 | <vykarian> | |
| 16:03 | compiled a kernel 2.6.16.1 following the jammcq repository
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| 16:04 | i kept all net devices as m (just like the .config)
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| 16:04 | but booting the new kernel without pxe makes a problem
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| 16:04 | start getting the kernel then loop
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| 16:05 | segment [0009Ec00,0009EE0] does not fit in any memory region
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| 16:53 | <vykarian> found the mistake
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| 16:53 | =]
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| 16:55 | does anyone has experience about printing from a novell print server to a ltsp workstation?
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| 17:09 | <cliebow> jammcq: a simlink from /etc/X11/rbg.txt to /usr/X11R6/lib/X11 solved the unknoewn color prob in nx..seems the path isd hardcoded into nxagent
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| 17:10 | <jammcq> cliebow: there ya go, I was right
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| 17:10 | <cliebow> i will send you five lobsters
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| 17:11 | but you have to share
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| 17:11 | <jammcq> 4 for me, 1 for the rest of the family :)
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| 17:12 | <cliebow> haaa!
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| 17:15 | any trick to mounting advd data cd..like linuxformat dvd?
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| 17:15 | tries hdc..no medium
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| 17:55 | <vykarian> does someone know where could I find something like a manpage for lts.conf ?
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| 17:56 | <crashzor> hey i'm running a edubuntu base'd LTSP server over XFCE4 now i want to change the default session for al user anybody know how ?
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| 17:57 | <vagrantc> crashzor: maybe using update-alternatives to set x-session-manager
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| 17:58 | crashzor: updaet-alternatives --config x-session-manager
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| 17:58 | er, update-alternatives
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| 17:58 | i *think* that should work.
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| 17:58 | <crashzor> i wil have look @ it :)
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| 17:59 | vagrantc, its a other version of xfce so it give me back there is only 1 session typ installed grrr
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| 18:00 | * vagrantc would recommend using whatever came with the distro | |
| 18:01 | <crashzor> i needed to upgrade it because the old version had a bug that users coud shutdown the SERVER
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| 18:01 | <vagrantc> surely that can be disabled ...
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| 18:02 | * vagrantc has had idiotic problems with XFCE hard-coding in the past | |
| 18:02 | <crashzor> vagrantc, in the new version its fixt because in the old version it coud not be disable'd
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| 18:02 | so now i have a session in whits users can shutdown the server
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| 18:04 | <vagrantc> ah well, pick your poison, i guess :)
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| 18:13 | <crashzor> vagrantc, i got it :D :D ( i just hardly overwrite to link to the old session in /usr/bin etleast its working )
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| 18:15 | <vagrantc> crashzor: that won't survive an upgrade.
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| 18:16 | <crashzor> vagrantc, i overwrite'd them after the upgrade so etleast its working for now ( i have the old links so i can overwrite them agian )
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| 18:16 | <crashzor> etleast its working :)
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| 18:16 | <vagrantc> crashzor: try: update-alternatives --set x-session-manager /path/to/binary
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| 18:16 | crashzor: that should stay.
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| 18:17 | <crashzor> vagrantc, update-alternatives: Cannot find alternative `/usr/local/bin/xfce4-session'.
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| 18:20 | <vagrantc> crashzor: ah, you'll have to play with update-alternatives --install first, then ...
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| 18:25 | <crashzor> etleast this is working after update i can just write the file's back this not nice but etleast this is now working ( wil look @ the hole update-alternatives later )
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| 18:25 | <mathesis> thanks vagrantc
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| 18:25 | cya
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| 18:28 | <chupacabra> http://xkcd.com/c149.html
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| 18:43 | http://magnatune.com/
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| 18:52 | <vagrantc> crashzor: update-alternatives --install /usr/bin/x-session-manager x-session-manager /path/to/your-binary 90
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| 18:53 | i think that'll work.
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| 18:53 | then you might need to: update-alternatives --set x-session-manager /path/to/your-binary
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| 18:54 | <crashzor> vagrantc, i get the help file back nvm i wil read the man page tomorwo :)
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| 18:55 | vagrantc, it woud be bad if you read the man page to just send in commands :P
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| 18:55 | <vagrantc> crashzor: ?
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| 18:56 | <crashzor> what part ? :P
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| 18:56 | <vagrantc> crashzor: "bad if you read ..."
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| 18:56 | <crashzor> it woud be bad if you start reading the manaul just to give me the right command ;)
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| 18:56 | then i can also just read it myself :) ( hate it to let others read for me )
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| 18:57 | <vagrantc> well, i've used it a number of times, and the manpage only made sense to me after having used update-alternatives time and time again
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| 18:57 | but i encourage you to read it :)
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| 18:57 | i just cringe at the thought of hacks that will break on upgrades.
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| 18:58 | <crashzor> cringe ?
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| 18:58 | thinking ? :P
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| 18:58 | <vagrantc> wince? :)
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| 18:58 | <crashzor> wince ? :S
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| 18:58 | <vagrantc> recoil?
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| 18:59 | it doesn't make me happy. :)
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| 18:59 | <crashzor> aah oke sameting like :( <== :P
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| 18:59 | <vagrantc> i've worked with other sysadmins who did such hacks a little too often and then, mysteriously, things would break after security updates.
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| 19:00 | and you end up weighig the merits of a security update, knowing you'll have to fix a bunch of random problems.
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| 19:00 | <crashzor> vagrantc, its my home system i woud never do this on a real machine for a company ;)
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| 19:00 | <vagrantc> bad habits can be hard to break ... :)
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| 19:02 | <crashzor> vagrantc, there you have a option but i admin same multi users servers then i keep clean of hackish fixes :P
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| 19:03 | vagrantc, this is just for the ppl in my house sins i'm fuck if there is no backup so then you get the system my way and i just want to get the last windows pc away ;) work al of those god dam windows system out of the network :p i still see windows machine's like a security risk
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| 19:04 | and if the shit gets hacked or file's get lots they wil look @ me anyway ;)
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| 19:06 | i stil belief if i can't read the source its a security risk ;)
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| 19:07 | * vagrantc finds it more valuable that *lots* of people read the source, as vagrantc can't read much :) | |
| 19:08 | <crashzor> vagrantc, i just started @ C but its because everbody can read it so easy hacks are pickup and fixt really quick ;)
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| 19:09 | but hey i think thats the hole story behind GPL ;)
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| 19:10 | vagrantc, just alwase keep in mind running internet service's on windows is like playing russia rollet whit a Glock ;)
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| 19:11 | roulette*
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| 19:17 | vagrantc, btw where from ? :P
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| 19:18 | <vagrantc> crashzor: i'm from a land where outsiders think everyone has a cow in the backyard
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| 19:18 | <crashzor> vagrantc, holland ?
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| 19:18 | <vagrantc> crashzor: no, much more space.
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| 19:19 | <crashzor> vagrantc, texas :P
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| 19:19 | <vagrantc> crashzor: no, milking cows.
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| 19:20 | <crashzor> vagrantc, caneda or sameting ?
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| 19:21 | if not please say what content its on :P
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| 19:21 | <vagrantc> crashzor: no so far from canada. they share an international border across a large body of water.
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| 19:21 | crashzor: and across a body of water from the birthplace of LTSP
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| 19:23 | <crashzor> vagrantc, UK ?
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| 19:23 | <vagrantc> crashzor: you were much closer with canada.
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| 19:23 | <crashzor> its samewhere in the USA ?
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| 19:24 | <vagrantc> sadly, it is true.
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| 19:24 | <crashzor> i don't know the name's of al the states in the usa :P
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| 19:25 | <vagrantc> no big loss :)
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| 19:25 | <crashzor> because to europe you al claim you're 1 country :P
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| 19:25 | so we not gowing to learn the name's of you're states :P
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| 19:25 | <vagrantc> which is smaller than texas, so i'm told.
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| 19:26 | (europe, that is)
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| 19:26 | <crashzor> europe smaller then texas :\
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| 19:27 | <vagrantc> texas is crazy huge, so don't take it personally.
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| 19:27 | <crashzor> vagrantc, you know russia is part of europe ? :P
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| 19:28 | * vagrantc blames ogra for this faulty european size comparison | |
| 19:28 | <crashzor> ogra ?
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| 19:28 | <vagrantc> he's usually in here.
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| 19:29 | <crashzor> vagrantc, most people see it like westen europe so the you explude pole russia etc then yeah probley but if you include them oke russia is a litle bit strange because its not totally in europe but most of it is ;)
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| 19:30 | <vagrantc> some would argue that europe isn't really it's own continent...
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| 19:30 | <crashzor> we share it whit azia ;)
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| 19:30 | <vagrantc> yeah.
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| 19:30 | <crashzor> accully in old time its was called euro-azia ;)
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| 19:31 | <vagrantc> is there any geographical basis for separating europe and asia, or is it purely socio-political?
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| 19:31 | <crashzor> maby same where in russia but on my maps no ( looks @ a map of the world )
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| 19:32 | accully europe whitout russia is about 60 % of the usa how mutch % is texas ? :P
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| 19:33 | <vagrantc> no idea.
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| 19:33 | <crashzor> is it half of you're country ?:P
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| 19:33 | * vagrantc thwacks self with an offtopicbat | |
| 19:33 | <vagrantc> crashzor: certainly not half, with alaska and all.
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| 19:34 | i feel like it's been a couple weeks since i've done any ltsp coding.
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| 19:34 | <crashzor> vagrantc, you're part of the ltsp coding team ?
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| 19:34 | <vagrantc> crashzor: i work on the ltsp 5.0 implementation in debian.
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| 19:35 | <crashzor> oke nice vagrantc so i will have a lot whit you to deal whit bugs ( because i run ubuntu ) :P
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| 19:35 | <vagrantc> hmmm... last release was on november 14th ...
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| 19:35 | <crashzor> ubuntu is based on debian :P
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| 19:35 | <vagrantc> yeah, i work closely with ogra, who does ltsp and edubuntu
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| 19:36 | <crashzor> vagrantc, yeah and the xubuntu team ript it off for xubuntu :P
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| 19:36 | thats what i'm running xubuntu :P
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| 19:37 | <vagrantc> i prefer people "ripping off" than re-inventing it.
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| 19:38 | <crashzor> vagrantc, no everbody needs to invent his own weel !!!! :P
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| 19:38 | and build his own car :P
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| 19:39 | <vagrantc> wow. i really haven't worked on ltsp since mid-november...
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| 19:40 | <crashzor> vagrantc, i'm personal busy @ a project thats gowing to be abuse'd i want to implement Counter-strike ( yeah i play cs ) rcon in to a irc bot out put and same simpel input ;) i just have it connect to irc :P
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| 19:40 | i know for sure if i want to release it its gowing to need a windows compile because al those fools use windows :P
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| 19:41 | or hosting company giving you a free shell whit a server on kernel 2.0 :P ( thats like screaming abuse me :P )
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| 21:41 | <jammcq> hey kids
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| 21:42 | <vagrantc> jammcq: how was the talk?
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| 21:42 | <jammcq> good. Only about 10 minutes
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| 21:42 | but got lots of good reaction
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| 21:42 | it's the 'Desktop Architecture Meeting', so it's a great chance to get in front of other people responsible for various parts of the linux desktop
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| 21:43 | and point out things like: 39% of all Gnome deployments are on thin clients
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| 21:43 | <vagrantc> yeah...
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