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Channel log from 14 February 2011 (all times are UTC)
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| 00:09 | <tech_dv> i won't be able to use ltsp-loader if I embed the scripts, right?
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| 00:19 | happy valentine's day! always thanks for the help.
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| 00:34 | <alkisg> In case you read the backlogs, you can use ltsp-loader (now upstream in win32-loader). Just change pxe.lkrn with the gpxe.lkrn you downloaded from the site.
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| 00:44 | <no_mind> i have a ltsp server and suddenly clients cant load images. I get dots and nothing happens. though client is able to obtain ip from dhcp server
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| 00:45 | <muppis> no_mind, updated kernels?
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| 00:46 | <no_mind> no
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| 00:46 | <muppis> Try that.
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| 00:46 | ltsp-update-kernel
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| 00:46 | <no_mind> ok
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| 00:46 | update kernel then regenerate image ?
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| 00:47 | <muppis> Or vice versa. I think doesn't really matter which way.
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| 00:47 | <no_mind> ok
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| 00:59 | <no_mind> muppis:
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| 00:59 | muppis: tried and still get this "boot server 192.168.2.4 tftp......"
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| 01:00 | pxe-e32: tftp open timeout
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| 01:09 | <muppis> no_mind, ah.. Check your if anyone listering correct port, should 2000 as defaulta.
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| 01:11 | <no_mind> you mean port 2000 is blocked ?
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| 01:12 | <muppis> no_mind, tfptd uses that.
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| 01:12 | tftpd..
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| 01:13 | <no_mind> ok
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| 01:17 | <muppis> no_mind, so check from server is port 2000 reserved and for which process with this: netstat -tanp | grep 2000
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| 01:18 | <no_mind> yup did that
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| 01:43 | <jimjimovich> anyone have advice on good gigabit network cards with pxe?
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| 01:45 | <muppis> Intel or Broadcom
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| 01:46 | <sep> intel
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| 01:46 | <jimjimovich> muppis: as in Intel or Broadcom chipsets or actual cards?
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| 01:46 | <muppis> jimjimovich, Intel makes also cards, but Broadcom are just chipsets.
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| 01:47 | <jimjimovich> having trouble finding any in our market ...
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| 02:05 | <gnunux> hi
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| 03:23 | <Axachi> Hello
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| 03:26 | <Axachi> Could sombody help me out on sound in rdesktop. ? I get sound in ldm after going into System|Preference|pulseAudio Pref.
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| 03:27 | <Axachi> but when I start a rdesktop from SCREEN_02 and use -r sound:local I get no sound. is there somthing I need to start to get the sound outputting to tty2
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| 03:40 | <txor> HI! I know that it's not the right chat, I'm using kiwi-ltsp 5, but maybe my problem is not kiwi-related. It seems that my LDM_DIRECTX flag work in the opposite way... The bandwidth consumed by a client with LDM_DIRECTX=false shouldn't be greater than LDM_DIRECTX=true?? Thanx for ur time!
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| 03:42 | <alkisg> txor: no
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| 03:42 | LDM_DIRECTX=True means X traffic is uncompressed
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| 03:42 | So it's the largest traffic, but with the lowest CPU usage
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| 03:42 | (uncompressed, unencrypted etc)
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| 04:15 | <hahlo> I compiled new alsa to my ubuntu ltsp fatclient in server chroot, and some reason fat client stopped booting, it starts but hangs afterwards, wonder can alsa cause this?
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| 04:17 | <alkisg> Sure, any program can hang the computer
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| 04:17 | Why did you need to compile alsa yourself?
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| 04:19 | <hahlo> I try to get sound out from hdmi audio and some ubuntu document advice to compile 1.024 version to 10.10
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| 04:19 | my monitor is tv, hdmi cable from fatclient to tv
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| 04:20 | <alkisg> Link to that ubuntu document?
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| 04:21 | <hahlo> moment
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| 04:21 | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshootingProcedure
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| 04:22 | <alkisg> In https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshootingProcedure#Step 17 I see there's a troubleshooting procedure which doesn't involve compiling...
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| 04:22 | <hahlo> sorry wrong link, still moment tried so many
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| 04:23 | http://duopetalflower.blogspot.com/2011/02/alsa-1024-in-ubuntu-1010.html
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| 04:23 | I followed those steps
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| 04:24 | <txor> Hey! Thanks very much for your response!
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| 04:24 | <alkisg> hahlo: no mention about hdmi there
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| 04:25 | <hahlo> true but some another page pointed that
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| 04:25 | <alkisg> I mean, that you'd better troubleshoot your hdmi audio problems with the stock version before trying newer versions
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| 04:25 | <hahlo> I have tried every document I have found
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| 04:26 | aplay -l shows four nvdia devices
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| 04:26 | but none of them sounds
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| 04:26 | <alkisg> hahlo: here's an ubuntu ppa with alsa 1.0.24 packages: https://launchpad.net/~diwic/+archive/alsa1024
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| 04:27 | Maybe your client boots with them (instead of self-compiled alsa)
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| 04:27 | <hahlo> I try that next thanks
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| 04:28 | <cyberorg> txor, ah i see alkisg already replied here
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| 08:05 | <Axachi> Could sombody help me out on sound in rdesktop. ? I get sound in ldm after going into System|Preference|pulseAudio Pref.
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| 08:05 | I use singel line rdesktop kommand to screen_02
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| 08:06 | command
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| 08:06 | but there is no sound in the Remote Desktop connection to a windows 2008 R2 server.
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| 08:07 | and does anybody have a screen script for using freeRDP?
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| 08:32 | <markit> hi, the 16 thin client classroom seems to work decently well, except some client (or is a matter of user?) sometime abruptly has a black screen and returns to login. Any clue of what could be the problem?
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| 08:32 | (thin clients based on old hardware)
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| 08:32 | btw, I've enabled nbd swap for clients (512MB)
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| 08:35 | <alkisg> Does that client have a different graphics card? And, which one?
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| 08:36 | Also checking that user's ~/.xsession-errors is sometimes useful
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| 08:43 | <markit> alkisg: the classroom is a mess of different hardware, I think I've hardly 2 video boards that are the same :)
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| 08:43 | alkisg: so you think is "only" a X-server issue
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| 08:43 | <alkisg> It *might* be the reason
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| 08:43 | <markit> sure :)
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| 08:44 | <alkisg> !localxterm
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| 08:44 | <ltspbot`> alkisg: "localxterm" :: while sitting on a thin client, open a gnome terminal. In that, run: ltsp-localapps xterm. An xterm will open. That xterm runs locally, so any commands you enter there are executed directly on the client.
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| 08:44 | <markit> btw, the only other problem I have so far is LibreOffice crashing leaving soffice process alive
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| 08:44 | <alkisg> run `lspci -nn -k | grep -A 2 VGA` in a localxterm on this client
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| 08:44 | LibreOffice? Which distro/version do you have?!
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| 08:44 | <markit> it's kubuntu 10.10, so libo 3.3.0
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| 08:45 | (waiting for 3.3.1 in a mont's time)
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| 08:45 | I have to fire the process manager and kill it manually
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| 08:45 | otherwise if student run libreoffice again, it does not show
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| 08:45 | that's annoying
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| 08:45 | <robehend1> markit: i had mine doing that, with openoffice. going to fat clients fixed it, not sure why
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| 08:46 | <alkisg> markit: I don't see libreoffice in 10.10: http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=libreoffice
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| 08:46 | Do you mean openoffice?
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| 08:46 | <robehend1> you can deb install it
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| 08:46 | <markit> alkisg: mmm maybe I've added a ppa
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| 08:47 | <alkisg> Sure, but when troubleshooting libreoffice problems, it's good to know that it's not the official version
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| 08:47 | So e.g. if it's a ppa version, it just might be plain broken
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| 08:48 | <markit> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/libreoffice/ppa/ubuntu lucid main
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| 08:48 | <alkisg> Lucid? For 10.10?
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| 08:48 | Lucid is 10.04
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| 08:48 | <markit> ops, sorry, that is the line from the workstation I'm in now
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| 08:48 | the school has 10.10
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| 08:48 | (I've installed libreoffice in every computer I have or use, lol)
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| 08:49 | robehend1: thanks for the tip, but I'm not going to switch to fat clients anytime soon, unfortunatly
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| 08:49 | well, the school has asked for money, so they will be able to buy some new pc in a relatively short time
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| 08:49 | but I'm unsure about what suggest them
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| 08:50 | I would love thin, no power hungry and very silent system
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| 08:50 | <alkisg> Hardware for fat clients is a good investment :)
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| 08:50 | <markit> but they are atom based, so very low power
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| 08:50 | alkisg: what do you use for "fat"? dual cores "normal" cpu with 4GB, or small atoms?
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| 08:50 | <alkisg> They perform a lot better than thin clients, escpecially for schools
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| 08:51 | markit: anything available, that has more than 512 RAM
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| 08:51 | <markit> don't you buy new hardare?
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| 08:51 | I do fear a lot hw compatibility problems
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| 08:51 | <alkisg> Labs here usually buy hardware before installing Ubuntu/LTSP
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| 08:52 | <markit> also PXE boot could be a trouble (i.e. was unable some days ago to pxe boot from a virtual machine)
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| 08:52 | <alkisg> So we work with what's already there
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| 08:52 | A few teachers recently only started asking about server specs
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| 08:52 | But we rarely have incompatibility problems
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| 08:52 | <markit> version 0.9 afair works well, with newer I had troubles AFAIR
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| 08:52 | <robehend1> only time i've ever had trouble with PXE was virtualbox and kvm acting up
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| 08:52 | <alkisg> version 0.9 of what? of gpxe?
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| 08:53 | <markit> alkisg: mmm ok, I tried some months ago a cheap fujitsu pc that is sold "OS free", but kubuntu (9.x?) was unable to boot
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| 08:53 | gpxe yes
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| 08:53 | <alkisg> gpxe 1.0 works fine here, in more than 1000 PCs
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| 08:53 | 1.0.1 had problems, we don't use it
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| 08:53 | <markit> robehend1: yes, I've a kvm virtual machine as a server for testing, and was tryint go run a kvm "client" with included netboot
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| 08:54 | <robehend1> ya, i had no luck with that, its a documented bug in the qemu, i think
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| 08:54 | <markit> alkisg: oh, could have been 1.0.1, I remember only that the latest did not worked (sorry, I'm at work and I don't have the notes I took for school installation)
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| 08:54 | robehend1: oh, interesting, that explains a lot
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| 08:54 | <alkisg> gpxe was forked to ipxe.org, the latest versions are there now
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| 08:55 | <markit> let's hope kvm 0.14 will fix
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| 08:55 | alkisg: thanks for the info
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| 08:57 | mmm seems that ipxe.org is alive, so good
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| 08:57 | <robehend1> i get scared everytime i see a fork. mostly becuase the admin teams sees a fork as a 'failure of the software'
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| 08:58 | <markit> btw, do you have any experience with "smart boards" or something like that...
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| 08:58 | http://blog.svconline.com/briefingroom/2008/05/15/unifi-projector-combines-with-smart-boards-to-create-integrated-system/
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| 08:58 | <robehend1> markit: i have one in every classroom
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| 08:58 | <markit> italian government, stupid as usual, is pushing them in schools
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| 08:58 | <robehend1> they are a *fantastic* tool, if used correctly
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| 08:58 | <markit> robehend1: how do they work? I know are based upon proprietary software
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| 08:59 | <robehend1> what brand of smart board we talkign about. smart, mimio, promethian, etc
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| 08:59 | <alkisg> Any of them known to work OK with Ubuntu?
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| 08:59 | <markit> I've no idea, in italy are called "L.I.M." and I think come in 2 fashions, one with the proiector, the other with back-projection
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| 08:59 | <alkisg> The ministry of education here also pushes them to schools..
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| 08:59 | <robehend1> well, SMART released some drivers and software, but the last supported version was 9.10
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| 09:00 | Mimio releases drivers and software, but is usually one version behind. promethian is a crap-shoot for linux support
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| 09:00 | <markit> I've the feeling that are of high psycological impact
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| 09:00 | but a) you are chained with M$world
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| 09:00 | <robehend1> nope
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| 09:00 | it goes by MIME type
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| 09:00 | <markit> b) only one student can use it at a time
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| 09:00 | <robehend1> nope. numerous ones are going to multitouch
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| 09:01 | <markit> yes, if they stand up and go to the board
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| 09:01 | while with LTSP each one has his own pc
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| 09:01 | <robehend1> or if they use a tablet, or a clicker response, or numerous other options built to get around that ;0
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| 09:01 | i've been deploying smartboards and such for years now. the tools are there.
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| 09:01 | <markit> iPad then :)
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| 09:02 | <robehend1> ipad? oh god no. i mean a writing tablet. like the Interwrite Mobi
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| 09:02 | <markit> never heard about it
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| 09:02 | robehend1: where do you live?
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| 09:02 | <robehend1> usA
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| 09:02 | er, usa. i also need a new keyboard. darn shift key.
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| 09:03 | <markit> and have you succesfully used them with GNU/Linux?
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| 09:03 | <robehend1> up to 9.10, yes
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| 09:03 | <markit> so no more
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| 09:03 | <robehend1> 10.04 was workable, but buggy
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| 09:03 | haven't tried in a while, as i've gone a different direction with the mimio solution
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| 09:03 | <markit> btw, in italy there is the WiiLD project, to create a smartboard very cheap with a Wii control and GNU/Linux
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| 09:03 | "mimio solution"?
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| 09:04 | <robehend1> just checked the mimio solution, they are supporting up to 9.04 again
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| 09:04 | mimio.com
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| 09:04 | basically, an iR smartboard. best thing about it is its portable.
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| 09:04 | sticks with sunction cups to any surface, shoots ir out over it, use the stylus to manipulate. Teacher moves rooms, just pull it off the board and go with.
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| 09:04 | heck, its even wireless back to the pc
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| 09:05 | <markit> urgh, again no for new kubuntu (> 9.04)
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| 09:06 | <robehend1> i spoke to a rep last week, said we're maybe a month out for full 10.04 support
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| 09:06 | <markit> foss adoption should RAISE, not decline in schools
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| 09:06 | <robehend1> give the schools the proffesional backing, lower cost, training, and pre-made curriculum, and it will
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| 09:08 | <markit> mmm you can't have that without adoption, and you can't have adoption without them...
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| 09:08 | <robehend1> meh, you can have it without adoption. just requires alot of work on your part
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| 09:08 | <markit> so government or school association should start the raise
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| 09:08 | <robehend1> why would they? many members of such groups can barely turn on a computer, let alone care what runs it.
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| 09:09 | <markit> same situation here, as far as I've seen, very disappointing
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| 09:09 | <robehend1> its part of life. if your passionate about getting linux out there, create the stuff yourself. its what i've been doing for my district
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| 09:10 | <markit> robehend1: compete alone with M$ and all business that gets money from government is not a trivial task
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| 09:10 | <robehend1> you have to start somewhere. not saying its easy bud.
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| 09:10 | <markit> government spend a lot of money in proprietary products, instead of invest the same amount in Free software that can be developed by our university graduated or something like that
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| 09:10 | and make save a lot of money in the future
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| 09:10 | not very clever OMHO
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| 09:10 | <robehend1> in the future, yes
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| 09:11 | but how much money will it cost to retrain and, possibly, rehire critical staff during the transition time? re-sanitize databases, and deal with the inevitable differences and transfer issues?
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| 09:11 | <markit> so you will have experienced programmers, innovation, and control of the technology involved
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| 09:11 | <robehend1> again. tell that to people who just want the email to open when they click on it, and it goes over there heads.
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| 09:12 | <markit> robehend1: well, they started with that smartboards... why choose proprietary products at the first stance?
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| 09:12 | and if you say transition is a cost, that means that you have to realize you are in a trap
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| 09:12 | <robehend1> is there an opensource alternative that is as mature, has enough pre-made curriculum, and a strong training background?
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| 09:12 | <markit> so the sooner you escape, the better
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| 09:12 | <robehend1> i dont consider it a trap so much as the cost of doing business. its a sad state of affairs in some ways, yes. but its the state we'er in
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| 09:14 | <markit> robehend1: you can easely (as government) found a Free Software alternative
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| 09:14 | and create strong trainning, so you are investing money and not just spending (or wasting)
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| 09:14 | <robehend1> or you can take the work already done, have a quicker role out, and look better to PR when it comes to elections :D
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| 09:15 | <markit> there is the WiiLD project that was started by voluintaries after the government decision (probably it's only in italian, maybe on youtube you can find some video)
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| 09:16 | lol, there is not real democracy unfortunatly, or I should ask for founds from M$ for my campaign
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| 09:16 | <robehend1> it all works out in the end, one way or another. i think both foss and closed source have their place in education. while it may be nice if they would switch places on the totem pole, at least foss has a place tehre now
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| 09:20 | <markit> robehend1: closed source forbids education... you have EULA, you can't learn the code, is a "secret", not knowledge
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| 09:20 | so closed source has it's place in business, not in education or government
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| 09:20 | is so a bad decision there
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| 09:21 | in any case, I've seen how joung people have been brain washed
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| 09:21 | they don't even realize that the PC is hardware, and the SO is something that you can choose and change
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| 09:22 | is not something that is "inside that PC, and if you want another you don't have to buy a new pc"
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| 09:22 | they even can't tell the name of the programs they use
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| 09:22 | they are becoming more and more trained monkeys
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| 10:04 | <muppis> alkisg, doesn't work.
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| 10:06 | <muppis> XSERVER=nv nor XSERVER=nvidia
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| 10:12 | <alkisg> muppis: you mean you don't get nv as the server if you use XSERVER=nv?
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| 10:12 | For XSERVER=nvidia I imaging you'd first need to install the nvidia-current package
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| 10:15 | <muppis> alkisg, got it installed. Getting Invalid card number -error.
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| 10:15 | <alkisg> muppis: let's get this from the start
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| 10:15 | <muppis> Started after installing driver.
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| 10:16 | <alkisg> Which card is this? Why don't you want nouveau? Do you want nv or nvidia?
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| 10:16 | <muppis> 8400GT, I need support for VDPAU.
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| 10:17 | <alkisg> Thin client or fat?
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| 10:17 | <muppis> Thin.
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| 10:17 | <alkisg> And does that work with remote x ?
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| 10:17 | or you mean with localapps?
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| 10:18 | <muppis> With localapps. Still getting my HTPC to work, if you remember.. ;)
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| 10:18 | <alkisg> So nv won't work
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| 10:18 | You'd need nvidia
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| 10:19 | And, when you installed nvidia-current to the chroot, did it install correctly? (dkms etc)
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| 10:21 | <muppis> I think so, atleast it didn't complain.
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| 10:21 | <alkisg> Did it generate an /etc/X11/xorg.conf in your chroot?
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| 10:22 | <muppis> Running nvidia-xconfig does that.
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| 10:23 | <alkisg> So you don't have /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/X11/xorg.conf right now?
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| 10:23 | <muppis> No.
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| 10:23 | <alkisg> If I remember correctly, installing nvidia-current gets you a minimal xorg.conf
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| 10:23 | So maybe it wasn't installed properly?
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| 10:24 | (my nvidia 8600 got burned so I'm with intel now :))
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| 10:24 | <muppis> I can try that
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| 10:24 | again.
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| 10:25 | <alkisg> And then try booting without "quiet splash" in pxelinux.cfg/default, and note all the error messages, and pastebin your xorg.log from the client
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| 10:26 | brb
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| 11:56 | <hahlo> my ubuntu fatclient gives in chroot Errors were encountered while processing: linux-image-2.6.35-25-generic-pae
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| 11:58 | <alkisg> And before that? Errors configuring dbus?
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| 12:02 | <hahlo> yes
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| 12:03 | is it normal?
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| 12:03 | <alkisg> No, it's a bug with dbus
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| 12:03 | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dbus/+bug/552404
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| 12:03 | <hahlo> also fatclient didn't install linux-headers as a depency
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| 12:04 | got dkms problem with nvidia current
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| 12:07 | <alkisg> Try to have the same kernel in the chroot as the one in the server (-pae or not)
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| 12:07 | Otherwise mount the chroot with nfs on a client and update there
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| 12:08 | <hahlo> server has same number but without pae, is that a problem?
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| 12:08 | <alkisg> (all those are reasons why I think using a virtualbox image instead of a chroot would be easier for users :))
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| 12:08 | I think it is a problem with dkms
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| 12:08 | <hahlo> I see ok
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| 12:09 | <Axachi> Hey anyone good on audio in LTSP?
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| 12:34 | <vagrantc> !seen alkisg
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| 12:34 | <ltspbot`> vagrantc: alkisg was last seen in #ltsp 25 minutes and 50 seconds ago: <alkisg> I think it is a problem with dkms
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| 12:34 | <vagrantc> oh-ho
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| 13:38 | <prpplague> does jammcq ever show up on the channel anymore?
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| 14:18 | <ogra> prpplague, rarely but he does
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| 14:19 | <prpplague> ogra: hey bud, didn't see you in the channel
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| 14:19 | <ogra> heh
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| 14:19 | #ltsp is one of my older homes :)
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| 14:20 | <prpplague> ogra: ahh right seems like i remember that now
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| 14:20 | <prpplague> ogra: i used to do alot of thin client stuff
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| 14:21 | <ogra> me too :)
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| 14:21 | i was hoping to do some panda fat-client implementation this cycle, but i lack the time
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| 14:21 | <prpplague> hehe
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| 14:21 | ogra: thats what i was going to hit jim up about
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| 14:22 | <pem725> quick question about troubleshooting user logins via ltsp - my users can ssh into the system but cannot login. The auth.log says that the password was accepted but keeps dropping them back to the login screen. Yes, I ltsp-update-sshkeys. Any suggestions?
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| 14:22 | <ogra> well, jim doesnt do much ltsp stuff anymore either
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| 14:22 | <prpplague> ogra: oh?
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| 14:22 | ogra: moved on eh?
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| 14:22 | <alkisg> !compiz
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| 14:22 | <ltspbot`> alkisg: "compiz" :: the default window manager in gnome is gnome-wm, which automatically chooses compiz if it thinks that the card supports it. Compiz is causing login problems to some clients (LP #673072). To disable it, see !disable_compiz. To restore it, see !restore_compiz
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| 14:22 | <alkisg> pem725: ^^^
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| 14:22 | <ogra> apart from attending the annual meeting i dont think he develops anything anymore in ltsp land
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| 14:23 | <pem725> thanks alkisg
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| 14:23 | !disable_compiz
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| 14:23 | <ltspbot`> pem725: "disable_compiz" :: To disable compiz, try: sudo gconftool-2 --direct --config-source xml:readwrite:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.mandatory --type string --set /desktop/gnome/session/required_components/windowmanager metacity
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| 14:23 | <prpplague> ogra: ahh, he get burned out on it?
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| 14:23 | <ogra> no, his busines grew in horrid speed ... and he didnt say no to the money :)
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| 14:24 | no spare time ... no ltsp development
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| 14:24 | <prpplague> ahh
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| 14:24 | <ogra> but a safe full of money like dagobert duck ;)
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| 14:25 | prpplague, _UsUrPeR_ is among the people that took over disklessworkstations.com
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| 14:25 | <prpplague> i think i still have a couple of my tcsx-1 's in the attic
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| 14:25 | <ogra> in case you planned any arm thin clients for them or some such
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| 14:26 | <prpplague> ogra: naw, just wanted to chat about it
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| 14:26 | <ogra> ah, k
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| 14:26 | <prpplague> ogra: i did some samsung S3C24xx based clients years ago
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| 14:26 | <ogra> nice
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| 14:26 | <pem725> thanks alkisg. seems to work now.
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| 14:26 | <prpplague> ogra: and retofited some old cirrus logic web tv units as thin clients
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| 14:26 | <ogra> i heard about some armarda based clients recently
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| 14:27 | but with their own OS on board so not actually ltsp
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| 14:28 | <prpplague> ogra: years ago i purchased a pallette of these - http://www.dfcd.net/projects/webpal/webpal.html
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| 14:28 | ogra: made ltsp clients out of them for a POS system
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| 14:29 | <ogra> nice !
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| 14:29 | what POS software did you run ?
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| 14:30 | <prpplague> ogra: i was a variation of that pizza store pos, don't know if it is still around
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| 14:30 | <ogra> ah
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| 14:30 | bananapos ?
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| 14:31 | <prpplague> hmm, i can't remember
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| 14:32 | <ogra> ah, well, not important :)
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| 14:34 | <_UsUrPeR_> prpplague, hello.
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| 14:34 | <prpplague> ogra: was TinaPOS and is now called Openbravo POS
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| 14:34 | _UsUrPeR_: greetings
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| 14:34 | <ogra> ah
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| 14:35 | * _UsUrPeR_ reads above | |
| 14:36 | <_UsUrPeR_> Anything I can help out with?
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| 14:38 | <prpplague> _UsUrPeR_: negative, we were just chatting about the good ol' days of LTSP and some of possibility of doing some ARM based clients
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| 15:03 | <highvoltage> hmm, seems like I accidentally put 'pizza' on my higlight list
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| 18:07 | * vagrantc has been futzing with some arm-based thin clients | |
| 18:07 | <vagrantc> largely the efikamx
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| 18:07 | well, pretty much exclusively
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| 18:09 | <alkisg> How do they perform?
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| 18:10 | <vagrantc> well, i haven't really had a chance to test the video much
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| 18:10 | it's only got HDMI output
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| 18:10 | <vagrantc> and i can only infrequently borrow the rommates HDMI capable screen
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| 18:11 | and... it's ethernet is tied to USB ... and it u-boot refuses to boot from usb ethernet ...
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| 18:11 | so not exactly *great* thin-client material
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| 20:52 | <shogunx> howdy all. is there a port for the hp t5325?
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