IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 13 August 2011 (all times are UTC)
| 00:08 | <TheMatrix3000> anyone using ISCSI with LTSP?
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| 00:08 | for user home directories
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| 09:30 | <ronalde_> i'm trying to build an image (based on fat-client) for using a (thin) client as a audiophile streaming client connected to a hq external USB-dac. For this I need to disable pulseaudio; but adding "autospawn = no" to `$HOME/.pulse/client.conf` or `/etc/pluseaudio/client.conf` does not help; the pulseaudio daemon is loaded system wide. Any thoughts?
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| 11:29 | <stilia-johny> How can I conect my vm ltspclien to my host ltsp server?
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| 11:45 | <knipwim> ronalde_: i think the pulseaudio in the client is started by the ltsp-client init process
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| 11:45 | at least on gentoo
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| 11:46 | <alkisg> SOUND=False disables pulseaudio
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| 11:46 | (in lts.conf)
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| 11:47 | <knipwim> check, that's a much better option :)
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| 15:37 | <stilia-johny> I need help. Im trying to connect to my ltps server ant nbd-server problem..
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| 15:40 | Any
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| 15:40 | * stilia-johny helpppppppp | |
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| 15:52 | <knipwim> !help
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| 15:52 | <ltsp> knipwim: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin.
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| 15:52 | <knipwim> ehm, that wasn't it
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| 15:56 | <Damianos> hey knipwim...I'm trying to help stilia-johny his thin client boot process is crapping out when it tries to get the image via tftp
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| 15:58 | <Damianos> brb...going to get my server from the car...luckily I brought it home for the weekend
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| 16:00 | <stilia-johny> Any for help?
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| 16:01 | <Damianos> where did johny go?
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| 16:01 | <andygraybeal> god, i hate printers.
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| 16:01 | <Damianos> you'd think in this day and age we'd all be digital by now
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| 16:02 | <andygraybeal> exactly
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| 16:04 | <Damianos> better for the environment...better for my head space
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| 16:04 | hey isn't webos linux based?
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| 16:05 | <stilia-johny> Hey damianos now it oad tftp prefix.!!! and boot
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| 16:06 | But it give me an err
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| 16:07 | <stilia-johny> error: failed o connect to NBD server 192.168.1.6:2000
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| 16:08 | help
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| 16:11 | * stilia-johny1 help | |
| 16:15 | <alkisg> stilia-johny1: what is your problem? and which distro/version are you using?
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| 16:17 | <stilia-johny1> Im using ubuntu 11,04 and before 10 min i wasn connect to ltsp server. Now i connect because i run ltsp-updste-image
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| 16:19 | But now i have other prob (nob) when i connect to ldm i see diferent background like before. Why and how can i cinnct like normal uwer and not like guest, thanks.
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| 16:20 | <alkisg> There are no guest users in LTSP, if you login with LDM you login as a normal user
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| 16:20 | Or are you saying that you cannot login aat all?
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| 16:22 | <stilia-johny1> Ifix ldm theme now plese reply how can i use a normwl user. I dont know the password
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| 16:22 | <Damianos> hey johny...alkisg einai ellinas an Ellinhka einai pio eukolo gia sena
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| 16:23 | btw...sorry I just got back with my server
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| 16:23 | <stilia-johny1> There is a text entry that says username i put ltsp1 and i dont know the pass
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| 16:23 | <alkisg> stilia-johny1: you login normally with any user/password that works on the server
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| 16:24 | <stilia-johny1> Alkis elinas eisai!????
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| 16:24 | <alkisg> stilia-johny1: yes, but I don't think we're allowed to speak in greek in the channel for too long :)
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| 16:24 | stilia-johny1: me ti asxoleisai?
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| 16:25 | Dhladh, se ti epixeirisn ktl bazeis ltsp?
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| 16:25 | <stilia-johny1> anyway, look when icmake the ltsp server it makes me 255 ltsp guest users, like ltsp1-ltsp255 with real name ltsp guest
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| 16:26 | Texnikos ps kai diktuwn, se net cafe.
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| 16:26 | <alkisg> Ah, you're using edubuntu?
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| 16:27 | I think those users are deleted after the installation, no? If you sit on the server and try "su ltsp1", can you login there?
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| 16:27 | <stilia-johny1> no. Im using ubuntu natty and install ltsp server from soft.center.
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| 16:27 | <alkisg> Then, without edubuntu, I don't see what created those 255 users
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| 16:27 | <stilia-johny1> W8 to try
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| 16:27 | I give su ltsp1 ant it want pass
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| 16:28 | <alkisg> And if you enter the pass, it works?
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| 16:28 | Or, try this: getent passwd ltsp1
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| 16:28 | This will tell you if you have an "ltsp1" user or not
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| 16:28 | <stilia-johny1> Is it ok to del those users?
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| 16:29 | <alkisg> I can't imagine why you have those users in the first plac
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| 16:29 | e
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| 16:30 | But sure, if you don't want these users, delete them
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| 16:32 | <stilia-johny1> i make my ltsp server with ltsp-livecd command. You csn use this command and put an edubuntu cd and make ltsp server offline, i think this make me the user but im trying same pass as user and its works!!
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| 16:32 | now can you tell me how cam i change my ldm theme??
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| 16:32 | <alkisg> Right, so you're using edubuntu :)
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| 16:33 | You can login now?
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| 16:33 | <stilia-johny1> yes i login.
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| 16:33 | <alkisg> Do you want to change the whole ldm theme or just the background picture?
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| 16:33 | <stilia-johny1> Srry. Normanly these users appear?
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| 16:34 | <alkisg> No
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| 16:34 | The default ldm theme is in /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/ldm/themes/ubuntu/
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| 16:35 | <stilia-johny1> aad how lotin( can you login with any name and after ltsp makes a home folder for this name-usr?)
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| 16:35 | whole theme!
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| 16:36 | <alkisg> OK, have a look at that theme folder. For some parts of the theme you need to know C and gtk.
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| 16:37 | Also for an internet cafe you might want to look at localapps or fat clients, they perform much better for web browsing.
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| 16:38 | <stilia-johny1> There is two themes. Ltsp and ubuntu. It use ltsp i wanna use ubuntu. I dont change i. It change sadenly
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| 16:39 | <alkisg> Ah, that's again because you half-installed edubuntu
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| 16:39 | You didn't follow a clean installation.
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| 16:39 | Now it tries to find the edubuntu theme, it doesn't find it, and it uses the default ltsp theme instead
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| 16:39 | I'd suggest that you did a clean installation to get rid of such problems
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| 16:40 | <stilia-johny1> And what csn i do for that?
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| 16:40 | <alkisg> If you don't want, ok, you can run update-alternatives in the chroot
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| 16:40 | But better start with a clean installation
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| 16:40 | I.e. with the ubuntu alternate cd
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| 16:40 | No edubuntu involved, since you don't want it for a school etc
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| 16:41 | <stilia-johny1> How can updae alternatives?
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| 17:53 | <Damianos> did johny's problem get solved?
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| 17:55 | <alkisg> I think he solved 2-3 problems but didn't solve his theme problem yet
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| 17:59 | <frederickjh> Can anyone comment as to if this is still the best solution to run Google Chrome as a local app? https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/edubuntu-users/2010-September/006447.html
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| 17:59 | <Damianos> well good. Didn't mean to put you on the spot but he messaged me and sounded like he's be more comfortable speaking Greek (I don't speak Greek that well)
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| 18:02 | <alkisg> Sure if language proved to be a problem, we could pm with greek
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| 18:05 | <alkisg> frederickjh: why is all this needed? Doesn't google chrome run with the default SSH_FOLLOW_SYMLINKS=False?
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| 18:06 | Also, to override a command like e.g. "chromium-browser", you can create a wrapper in /usr/local/bin, this takes care of .desktop files (menus) too
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| 18:07 | (instead of the run-chrome.sh that is mentioned in the ML link you pasted)
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| 18:07 | <frederickjh> I tried that but it started on the server.
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| 18:07 | let me reboot the client again.
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| 18:07 | <alkisg> You need to enable localapp menus of course, in lts.conf
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| 18:08 | <frederickjh> LOCAL_APPS=True?
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| 18:08 | If so I have that.
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| 18:08 | <alkisg> No that's already true by default
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| 18:08 | LOCAL_APPS_MENU=True
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| 18:08 | <frederickjh> Let me look
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| 18:09 | Yep, LOCAL_APPS_MENU=True
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| 18:09 | <alkisg> OK, start the client
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| 18:09 | <frederickjh> doing
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| 18:16 | <frederickjh> Doing a
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| 18:16 | ps -fC chrome
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| 18:16 | on the server shows Google chrome is still runnning on the server when started on the clients.
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| 18:19 | <alkisg> frederickjh: start debugging, by doing the following:
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| 18:19 | 1) ltsp-localapps xterm
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| 18:19 | Did an xterm open?
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| 18:19 | 2) On that xterm, getltscfg -a
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| 18:19 | Pastebin the output
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| 18:19 | 3) Again on that xterm: chromium-browser
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| 18:19 | <frederickjh> You mean on the client, right?
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| 18:20 | <alkisg> Yup
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| 18:20 | <frederickjh> yes, xterm opened
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| 18:24 | How do you copy in xterm?
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| 18:24 | I can select but can not seem to copy it.
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| 18:24 | <alkisg> Select, and middle click = paste
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| 18:24 | The selection is like "copy", and middle click is like paste
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| 18:25 | You can also do stuff like "getltscfg -a > ~/Desktop/file"
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| 18:25 | And open the file with gedit
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| 18:25 | <frederickjh> Just figured out the middle click does work
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| 18:26 | Hard with a touch pad and two buttons.
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| 18:27 | <alkisg> Yeah there you need left+right click which equals middle click
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| 18:29 | <frederickjh> alkisg, I am using google chrome not chromium.
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| 18:29 | it starts with google-chrome
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| 18:29 | <alkisg> ok, no difference there
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| 18:29 | Do the step 2 first, with the getltscfg -a part
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| 18:30 | <frederickjh> Ok, running google-chrome in the xterm brought up google-chrome running on the client.
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| 18:31 | pastebin on the way
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| 18:33 | sorry that took so long pastebin.com would not come up.
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| 18:33 | http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/665165/
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| 18:34 | I tried to use the google chrome instance on the client....
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| 18:34 | before I could finish typing in my search I got this message...
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| 18:35 | "Your profile can not be used because it is froma newer version of Google Chrome. Some features may be unavailable. Please specify a different profile directory or use a newer version of Chrome."
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| 18:36 | alkisg, that pastebin link is for the getltscfg -a output
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| 18:36 | <alkisg> If your profile is indeed from some older version, can you remove it?
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| 18:36 | <frederickjh> Not sure why that is nor where it is located.
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| 18:37 | it runs find on the server.
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| 18:37 | <alkisg> ~/.config/google-chrome ?
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| 18:37 | <frederickjh> and never gives me that message.
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| 18:37 | <alkisg> Ah
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| 18:37 | Then it might be related to symlinks etc
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| 18:37 | <frederickjh> this is on the client in the xterm window.
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| 18:37 | Yes, I think so SSH_FOLLOW_SYMLINKS=False
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| 18:38 | <alkisg> And if you run `google-chrome --no-first-run` from the local xterm?
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| 18:38 | Does it run ok then?
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| 18:38 | <frederickjh> let me try
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| 18:38 | <alkisg> Or whatever they say on that mailing list
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| 18:39 | <frederickjh> This is not the first run deal. I just tried it and I have the same result.
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| 18:40 | * alkisg uses NFS in fat clients to avoid the file locks problems | |
| 18:40 | <alkisg> If NFS is an option for you, it's probably the easiest way
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| 18:41 | Otherwise follow what's written on that mailing list about the wrappers etc
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| 18:42 | <frederickjh> Is NBD the default?
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| 18:42 | <alkisg> Not NBD, NFS
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| 18:42 | NBD is for the client disk
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| 18:42 | NFS is for the home dirs
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| 18:42 | NBD is the default in ubuntu, yes
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| 18:42 | <frederickjh> Ok, sorry got mixed up in my terms there.
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| 18:42 | <alkisg> But to have apps like chrome working properly, you need both NBD for the root disk and NFS for the home dir
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| 18:43 | NFS is instead of SSHFS, now you're using sshfs
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| 18:43 | <frederickjh> ok, sounds complicated to setup
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| 18:43 | <alkisg> Nah, it's only 2 commands and 1 lts.conf option
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| 18:43 | <frederickjh> What is the downside?
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| 18:43 | As in, why is it not the default?
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| 18:43 | <alkisg> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/FatClients#NFS_HOME
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| 18:44 | Mainly security
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| 18:44 | <frederickjh> ok
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| 18:44 | This is a LTSP for my Family.
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| 18:45 | I hope my wife, 11 daughter and 13 old son won't hack it.
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| 18:46 | <alkisg> So yup NFS will be much easier for you
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| 18:46 | <frederickjh> ok
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| 18:48 | alkisg, does that last section "Changing existing LTSP thin server to fat client mode" apply here?
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| 18:49 | <alkisg> No no only do the NFS_HOME paragraph
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| 18:49 | (btw that "changing thin server to fat" paragraph is wrong :()
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| 18:51 | <frederickjh> Ok, thanks for your help
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| 18:51 | You going to fix it?
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| 18:52 | <alkisg> Nah, no time for wiki editing these days :-/
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| 18:56 | <Damianos> what needs to be done? I can do it
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| 19:53 | <frederickjh> alkisg, interestingly this works ltsp-localapps google-chrome --user-data-dir=/home/media/.google-chrome
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| 19:53 | Now how to implement it.
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| 19:55 | Sorry that should have been
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| 19:55 | ltsp-localapps google-chrome --user-data-dir=/home/media/.config/google-chrome
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| 19:56 | Is there a way to change menu items globally?
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| 19:56 | Or at least for all clients?
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| 20:15 | <Damianos> frederickjh: would it be in /opt/share/ltsp/i386/usr/share/applications?
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| 20:16 | <frederickjh> Sorry Damianos, I missed your reply
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| 20:16 | I will look
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| 20:16 | <Damianos> I know the .desktop files in /usr/share/applications are what show up in the gnome Applications menu
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| 20:17 | that same directory seems to exist in /opt/share/ltsp/i386 etc so that might be the place to do it
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| 20:18 | <andygraybeal> hi hi hi
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| 20:18 | <frederickjh> Actually mine is here on Ubuntu 10.04 /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/applications
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| 20:19 | Interesting thing is there is no desktop file for Google-chrome there, but for all my other localapps
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| 20:19 | Opps
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| 20:19 | take that back
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| 20:20 | just some.
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| 20:21 | <Damianos> Ok, I just opened up a .desktop file from /usr/share/applications...it seems that you can control the Category it shows up in
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| 20:22 | <frederickjh> Yes, but I want to change the command that launches google chrome on th e clients only
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| 20:22 | <Damianos> are you using edubuntu?
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| 20:22 | <frederickjh> so my guess is I need to add a desktop to the /opt/* path and then rebuild the image.
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| 20:22 | yes and no
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| 20:22 | <Damianos> I ask because edubuntu has a menu editor application
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| 20:23 | <frederickjh> Not the same one that comes with ubuntu?
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| 20:23 | alacarte?
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| 20:23 | or is it a different program?
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| 20:23 | to edit the client menus?
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| 20:24 | Damianos can you see what the menu editor is called?
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| 20:24 | <Damianos> it is edubuntu specific. It shows up in the menu Applications>system tools> Edubuntu Menu Editor
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| 20:25 | <frederickjh> Can you open the main menu editor and see what the command is that launches that menu item?
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| 20:25 | Then I have a name to search for.
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| 20:25 | <Damianos> command is menueditor
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| 20:25 | <frederickjh> ok
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| 20:26 | <Damianos> I haven't tried it yet personally but from what I've read in edubuntu menual, managing thin client menus is exactly what it is for
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| 20:26 | <frederickjh> Sounds like it from the description in synaptics.
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| 20:27 | <Damianos> you said this is for home use?
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| 20:29 | ok, I scrolled up and it seems that it is...another approach to limiting programs that can be accessed by other users might be to use a dock and remove the gnome menus altogether
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| 20:42 | <frederickjh> yes, this is for home use
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| 20:42 | A family of four
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| 20:53 | Is there a way or a variable that I can read to tell if a user is logged in on the client or on the server?
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| 22:15 | <Damianos> in the terminal just type in "who"
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| 22:16 | that command shows who is logged in via ssh
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| 22:16 | and since thin clients use ssh for authentication, you should see all logged in users
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| 22:16 | ...I think
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| 22:17 | Interesting news for anybody that's interested...Working with a very nice person on #android-x86 to figure out how to boot android on thin clients
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| 22:19 | <Damianos> it seems that there have been only a couple of others that have attempted this before and both have gotten stuck in the boot process. According to fuzzy7k in the other channel, uses two RAM disks which is why PXE booting doesn't work right now
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| 22:22 | <frederickjh> Anyone know if the apps you list after LOCAL_APPS_MENU_ITEMS= in lts.conf need to be only the app name or the exec as it is in the menu?
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| 22:23 | Example google-chrome or /opt/google/chrome/google-chrome
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