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Channel log from 16 March 2010 (all times are UTC)
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| 03:06 | <gnunux> hi
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| 03:23 | <Kicer86> yellow!
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| 06:24 | <methril_work_> morning
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| 06:25 | someone could explain the meaning of LOCALDEVICE ?
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| 06:26 | <alkisg> methril_work_: there's no such option, do you mean LOCALDEV ?
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| 06:26 | !lts.conf
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| 06:26 | <ltspbot> alkisg: "lts.conf" :: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/lts.conf
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| 06:26 | <methril_work_> yes LOCALDEV
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| 06:26 | <alkisg> See the man page above
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| 06:26 | <methril_work_> yes i read it
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| 06:28 | <methril_work_> | |
| 06:28 | ?
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| 06:28 | <alkisg> Force it to true? That doesn't make any difference, since the default is already true...
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| 07:17 | <AndyGraybeal> does anyone use xpra on ltsp?
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| 07:41 | <cliebow> Homies!
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| 08:16 | <alkisg> A school here has "atheros 8131" nics, and they tell me they need a driver on the chroot to get them running. Any ideas which driver, and how to insert the module?
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| 08:18 | pciid=1969:1063 - attansic
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| 08:56 | <highvoltage> alkisg: hey there
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| 08:56 | <alkisg> highvoltage: hi - gotta go - bb in 2 hours :)
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| 10:09 | <thunsucker> good morning
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| 10:40 | <alkisg> How can I see if my initramfs contains a specific driver? (atl1c)
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| 10:52 | <johnny> alkisg, unpack it?
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| 10:53 | another way .. which would be initramfs-tools specific.. would be to find the config that is used to generate the distro instance of it..
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| 10:53 | but i don't know much about initramfs-tools to be able to tell you how
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| 10:53 | but unpacking will always work :)
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| 10:54 | <alkisg> Mhm... I've put break=mount, so I'm into the initramfs right now, but I don't know where to look
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| 10:54 | <johnny> /lib/modules/kernel?
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| 10:54 | err $kernel .. as in.. variable
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| 10:55 | next time.. don't bther with breaking an instance of it.. next time just unpack it on your server :)
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| 10:55 | or figure out how intramfs-tools does the job
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| 10:55 | <alkisg> Ah, thanks, got it
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| 10:56 | Now to find why it decides to only take a few of the drivers, and not all of them..
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| 10:56 | <johnny> alkisg, that's definitely up to whatever ubuntu (or debian) decides to tell initramfs-tools what to include
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| 10:56 | alkisg, i have this same problem on gentoo of course.. but that setup is both more complicated.. and does less :)
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| 10:57 | <alkisg> Heh
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| 10:57 | <johnny> does less in regards to netboot stuff that is
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| 10:57 | it's probably great for a bunch of other stuff i don't need :)
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| 10:57 | <alkisg> I think I can put additional modules in a .conf file, but I"d like to find out why it doesn't include them in the first place...
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| 10:57 | <johnny> alkisg, probably just choice
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| 10:57 | <alkisg> Well, for net drivers, isn't that kinda dumb for LTSP?
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| 10:58 | <johnny> hmm?
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| 10:58 | <alkisg> Don't we need all the drivers we can get?
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| 10:58 | <johnny> sure.. but i don't think it has very sophisticated rules
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| 10:58 | <alkisg> I mean, why could we leave it up to the system admin to include "atl1c"?
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| 10:58 | <johnny> and it's the same rules used for the server kerenl
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| 10:58 | <alkisg> *would
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| 10:58 | <johnny> there is no specific ltsp config for initramfs generation iirc
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| 10:59 | <alkisg> But we do meddle with the initramfs configuration, so we might as well fix that in the process
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| 10:59 | OK, let me find it first and complain later... :D
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| 10:59 | <johnny> alkisg, sure.. but.. how would you decide which net drivers to include?
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| 10:59 | <alkisg> Why not all of them?
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| 10:59 | <johnny> without including a bunch of other stuff that you definitely don't need
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| 10:59 | cdc-ether, wireless drivers, etc
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| 10:59 | 10gb ethernet
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| 10:59 | token ring
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| 10:59 | gotta be careful
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| 11:00 | <alkisg> Does size matter? (in this particular case :D)
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| 11:00 | <johnny> sure it does
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| 11:00 | try not to make it too difficult for people with 64mb ram
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| 11:00 | <alkisg> It takes up memory? Hmmm that's not good...
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| 11:00 | <johnny> perhaps there needs to be a switch
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| 11:00 | hmm.. how wouldn't it take up memory?
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| 11:00 | it's not like you have anywhere else to store it
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| 11:01 | you'er unpacking it before you have a rootfs
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| 11:01 | alkisg, what would be neater tho..
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| 11:01 | <alkisg> Sure, but it could discard the memory later on
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| 11:01 | <johnny> not sure if this is feasible ..
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| 11:01 | but trying to download the kernel module right after getting the kernel :)
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| 11:01 | <alkisg> I don't know if the linux kernel has provisions for it, but programmatically, it isn't unfeasible...
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| 11:02 | <johnny> ah.. yeah.. it probably does get rid of it later..
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| 11:02 | especially since once the rootfs is mounted
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| 11:02 | you have access to /lib/modules/$kernel on the server
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| 11:02 | i wonder if that tftp server implementation wouldn't be a bad idea here
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| 11:03 | alkisg, remember?
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| 11:03 | we do get teh mac address on intiial query right?
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| 11:03 | isn't there a way to translate that into a manufacturer/model?
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| 11:03 | then we can just send the right driver from the server?
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| 11:03 | that sounds magical.. but who knows :)
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| 11:04 | <alkisg> Hmmm... it would need a big database of mac addresses etc, but yeah, that sounds doable
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| 11:05 | <johnny> alkisg, once again.. not sure how initramfs-tools config works, but i do know in a fork of the genkernel initramfs generator
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| 11:05 | you could say something like this MODULES="+DRIVERS_NET -DRIVERS_WIFI"
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| 11:05 | or whatever they were called
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| 11:06 | it's been a year since i looked.. being that it would never be the default in the os and all..
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| 11:06 | <alkisg> Another idea would be to use the pxe stack to implement a minimal file system layer
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| 11:06 | This way we wouldn't need any initramfs at all ;)
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| 11:06 | <johnny> lol
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| 11:06 | i don't think you have access to the full amount of ram there
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| 11:06 | is that still in real mode?
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| 11:07 | /me isn't sure anymore
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| 11:07 | <alkisg> No - you need to call it from a wrapper function
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| 11:07 | That's how gpxe and pxelinux.0 work
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| 11:07 | (and they do have access to all the ram)
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| 11:18 | <nosedrum> hi everybody !
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| 11:18 | i'm here again with a little question
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| 11:19 | On my ltsp clients when a user x1 create a file in a public folder
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| 11:19 | the right on file are 644 rx-r--r--
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| 11:19 | so I edit /etc/profile to put a umask 111
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| 11:20 | OK when i log in ssh as user x1 and un touch toto.file the right are 666 rw-rw-rw-
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| 11:21 | but when the user x1 create a file in his file explorer the right still are 644 rw-r--r--
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| 11:21 | I don't understand why !!!
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| 11:21 | any ideas ?
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| 12:17 | <alkisg> !learn adding-modules as to add a module in the Ubuntu LTSP initramfs, follow the steps described in this page: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/AddingModules
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| 12:17 | <ltspbot> alkisg: The operation succeeded.
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| 12:26 | <abeehc> !help
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| 12:26 | <ltspbot> abeehc: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin.
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| 12:29 | <abeehc> !help search
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| 12:29 | <ltspbot> abeehc: (search <word>) -- Searches for <word> in the current configuration variables.
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| 13:42 | <cliebow> root
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| 13:43 | <alkisg> leaf
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| 13:43 | <cliebow> branch
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| 13:43 | mypw
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| 13:43 | 8~)
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| 13:43 | wouldnt bre the first time 8~)
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| 13:43 | <alkisg> :)
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| 13:44 | <cliebow> c y'all
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| 14:53 | <jammcq> hello friends
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| 14:55 | <CAN-o-SPAM> hi jammcq
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| 16:38 | <rjune> !j
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| 16:38 | <ltspbot> rjune: "j" :: jammcq!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 16:48 | <jammcq> hey rjune
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| 17:02 | <Lns> Anyone know - is/was MILLE-XTERM the same as ltsp-cluster?
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| 17:02 | <vagrantc> Lns: i think so, yes.
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| 17:03 | <Lns> vagrantc: cool =) thx
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| 17:03 | <vagrantc> or rather, mille-xterm became ltsp-cluster
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| 17:03 | <Lns> i was just reading about it, going "hmm, canada...hmm...education..hmmmm"
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| 17:21 | <CAN-o-SPAM> Lns: what were you reading?
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| 17:22 | <Lns> CAN-o-SPAM: http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/9097
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| 17:22 | <CAN-o-SPAM> oh yeah ok
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| 17:22 | <Lns> quite long ago article =)
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| 17:23 | <CAN-o-SPAM> oh yeah thats dated ... thats why i knew what article as soon as you linked LJ :)
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| 17:57 | <brainspoil> My school wants to use ltsp with a couple of winxp thin clients, can this be done on ltsp?
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| 18:46 | <Ahmuck-Sr> i've got two nics. i've had them working before, but one of them isn't coming up. /etc/network/intefaces appears to be correct. what is the other file i need to check?
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| 19:10 | <Ahmuck-Sr> got that one fixed. differnt problem. client shows login screen, login & password, times out and restarts the client
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