IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 23 March 2011 (all times are UTC)
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| 05:08 | <mgariepy> good morning everyone
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| 05:23 | <highvoltage> good morning mgariepy
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| 06:10 | <xavier_brochard> hello, on a fresh ltsp squeeze KDE4 install, I have some users unable to login. There were able to yesterday. The xsession-error file indicate that the DISPLAY variable is not set
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| 06:11 | xrdb: Resource temporarily unavailable / xrdb: Can't open display 'localhost:13.0' / $DISPLAY is not set or cannot connect to the X server.
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| 06:13 | any idea? clients are Artec thincans and diskless PC
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| 06:24 | <alkisg> can you launch an xterm session?
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| 06:30 | <xavier_brochard> hi alkis. I didn't try because I'm not there, one user could log in though.
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| 06:34 | <cliebow> Gadi: you around?
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| 06:51 | <xavier_brochard> any idea why users cant login after reboot of the server (fresh squeeze install)?
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| 06:59 | <evil_root> when they try to log in... do they get like "no response from server" and then the ldm reloads? xavier_brochard
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| 07:01 | <xavier_brochard> @evil_root: no. One user was able to login but the others not.
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| 07:02 | <evil_root> can you try to ssh to the server as one of those users and see if it gives you any errors or warnings?
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| 07:03 | <xavier_brochard> I will. I have to quit and go there. thanks.
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| 07:03 | <evil_root> np
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| 07:12 | <jtwood> Hello all. Just a quick question about options available for ltsp-build-client.conf in Ubuntu - I would like to be able to set chroot names in order to build different thin/fat client images for testing
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| 07:12 | <evil_root> you can put what ever you want for the chroot name jtwood
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| 07:13 | <jtwood> Yeah, can't seem to get it to stick...seems to default to the arch
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| 07:13 | in the config CHROOT=name?
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| 07:13 | <evil_root> i think that should work, i always build from the comand like though so i can say for 100%
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| 07:14 | command line* though
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| 07:14 | <jtwood> yeah, I am just playing around with option upon option...much easier to use the config file if I could figure the thing out
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| 07:15 | it seems that some options work and others don't...and unfortunately I haven't found much about it...other than some options work in it... :)
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| 07:15 | <evil_root> lol
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| 07:16 | <jtwood> Yeah...I know arch=, base= works...tried chroot= and root= with no luck...
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| 07:19 | <msignor_work> Can anyone suggest the best way for me to install / compile a non-package in my chroot?
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| 07:30 | <jtwood> Also, its not a huge deal, kind of annoying, but the LDM screen spans both monitors of my dual display - anyway to toss it on one or the other?
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| 07:31 | <evil_root> lol i am wondering that my self jtwood
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| 07:32 | <Gadi> jtwood: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ltsp/+bug/693151
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| 07:32 | <jtwood> Ah...Gadi to the rescue again!
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| 07:33 | <Gadi> cliebow: present
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| 07:33 | <jtwood> Hey, if you got a second - something else simple - I could use command line, but I like using config files
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| 07:34 | How do you set the chroot name in a Ubuntu config file for ltsp-build-client?
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| 07:34 | <cliebow> Gadi:No worried...got it worked out
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| 07:35 | <Gadi> --chroot set the name of the chroot
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| 07:35 | oh you want in the config file
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| 07:36 | <jtwood> yeah...just wondered in the ltsp-build-client.conf how to set it...tried CHROOT=name CHROOT="name" ROOT=name, etc...always defaults to arch
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| 07:36 | Its no biggie...just trying to make life easier for the next guy that has to look at my notes and configs
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| 07:37 | or myself in a year when I can't remember what I did
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| 07:37 | Gadi: to be honest...sometimes I can't remember tomorrow what I did today! :D
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| 07:40 | <Gadi> jtwood: I don't think you can
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| 07:40 | <jtwood> Gotchya...you can set base directories and such so I just wondered...
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| 07:40 | <Gadi> if [ -n "$option_chroot_value" ]; then
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| 07:40 | CHROOT="$option_chroot_value"
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| 07:40 | else
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| 07:40 | CHROOT="$ARCH"
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| 07:40 | fi
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| 07:41 | looks like if you don't set the option, it sets it to arch
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| 07:41 | <jtwood> Yeah, I see that
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| 07:44 | I'll just set different base directories for now...it'll keep my sanity without haveing to constantly rename and move stuff
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| 07:45 | <jtwood> The config file is a lifesaver though...when you are trying to test out different builds...have half a dozen clients tied into my KVM -- :)
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| 07:51 | <sniki-tiki> highvoltage , vagrantc : http://www.disklessworkstations.com/ltsp-logo-license. CC-BY-SA 3.0 Hope this helps.
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| 07:51 | highvoltage , vagrantc : * http://www.disklessworkstations.com/ltsp-logo-license.html CC-BY-SA 3.0 Hope this helps.
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| 07:52 | <highvoltage> sniki-tiki: yay!
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| 07:56 | <sniki-tiki> signing off now, highvoltage please make sure vagrantc sees that. have a great day!
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| 07:56 | <highvoltage> sniki-tiki: will do, you too!
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| 07:59 | <xavier_brochard> I think I solved my problem (users unable to login but one): I have a 229GB xsessionerror file in my personal session (created in 1 day only!) and device is full .
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| 08:00 | I should setup a logrotate on this!
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| 08:05 | <alkisg> What filled it?
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| 08:06 | <xavier_brochard> I don't know yet I'm currently moving it on a spare disk - it takes time (file is 269GB)
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| 08:07 | <NeonLicht> tail it
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| 08:09 | <xavier_brochard> looks like it is nepomuk fault! while I disabled it it. It write a bunch of "/usr/bin/akonadi_nepomuk_contact_feeder] QMutex::lock(): cv wait failure: Argument invalide" lines
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| 08:27 | <Roasted> life's good when you stumble across a box of RAM you forgot you had when deploying bare minimal hardware fat clients.
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| 11:06 | <knipwim> what does ltsp-open do ?
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| 11:08 | <trey_> I just wanted to drop in and say thank you to everyone in here who has ever helped me and who make LTSP what it is
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| 11:09 | I just had the oldest server in our network die, which happened to be hosting LTSP for thin clients. However I had just built LTSP on a new fancy server for Fat clients. Perfect timing for a server to die :)
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| 11:10 | Roasted: ping , you asked if I had a deployed fat client setup, I didn't yesterday but I do now :)
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| 11:14 | <highvoltage> win 21
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| 11:46 | <thunsucker> alkisg: thank you again for your help, deployed the fat client solution today
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| 12:02 | <Gadi> damn... this place is ripe for yo mamma's thin client's so fat jokes these days...
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| 12:02 | where's sbalneav?
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| 12:02 | ;)
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| 12:03 | <thunsucker> lol
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| 13:17 | <knipwim> can anyone explain how ltsp-remoteapps works?
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| 13:17 | i couldn't find any documentation
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| 13:35 | <mgariepy> knipwim, ltsp-remoteapps mount a shared directory between the thin client and the applications server
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| 13:36 | look if the the file passed to ltsp-open is accessible on the server, if not it copies it to the shared directory then launch xdg-open on the applications serveur.
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| 13:37 | s/serveur/server
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| 13:39 | knipwim, if you want to talk about it more, i'll be here tomorrow betwwen 8h00 AM and 4h00 PM GTM -5.
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| 13:50 | <jtwood> So, about fat clients...maybe somewhere along the way I got confused...but I should be able to build a fat client image, network boot it, and applications will utilize the client memory and ram, correct?
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| 13:52 | The good news is that everything is working except the utilize client ram and cpu part... :)
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| 13:53 | <jtwood> So I figure I am doing something wrong- ltsp-build-client --fat-client - are there other settings I need to change as well?
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| 14:05 | <alkisg> jtwood: login on a client, open a terminal, and run: hostname
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| 14:05 | Is that "ltsp123" or is it the name of the server?
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| 14:06 | <jtwood> the host name is the server
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| 14:07 | <alkisg> jtwood: ok, so it's a thin client.
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| 14:07 | distro/version?
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| 14:07 | <jtwood> Ubuntu 10.04.2
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| 14:08 | <alkisg> on that terminal (or on the server): ls -l /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/ltsp_fat_chroot
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| 14:08 | ls -l /opt/ltsp/images
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| 14:08 | What do those return?
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| 14:10 | <jtwood> Okay, for the frist directory - I don't have an i386 directory under /opt/ltsp
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| 14:11 | <alkisg> OK, in your chroot then, wherever that is
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| 14:11 | <jtwood> I listed the contents of the ltsp_fat_chroot on the chroot I am using and came up with nothing
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| 14:11 | <alkisg> Where did you put your fat chroot?
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| 14:12 | $ cat /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/ltsp_fat_chroot
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| 14:12 | FAT_CLIENT_DESKTOPS='ubuntu-desktop'
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| 14:12 | If you don't have anything there, it's probably not a valid fat chroot
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| 14:12 | <jtwood> yeah....
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| 14:12 | <alkisg> What's the size of the nbd image?
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| 14:13 | <jtwood> it has the FAT_CLIENT_DESKTOPS LINE
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| 14:13 | <alkisg> ls -l /opt/ltsp/images/i386.img - whatever your path is
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| 14:13 | If possible, paste the contents here instead of describing them
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| 14:15 | <jtwood> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1756073984 2011-03-23 16:06 /opt/ltsp/images/fc-amd64.img
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| 14:15 | <alkisg> That's big enough to be a fat image
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| 14:16 | And the contents of the cat command?
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| 14:16 | $ cat /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/ltsp_fat_chroot
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| 14:16 | (amd64, etc etc)
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| 14:16 | <jtwood> FAT_CLIENT_DESKTOPS='ubuntu-desktop'
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| 14:18 | Sorry, forgot how to use putty...spoiled by my KVMs... ;)
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| 14:18 | <alkisg> (11:11:33 PM) jtwood: I listed the contents of the ltsp_fat_chroot on the chroot I am using and came up with nothing ==> so that was incorrect?
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| 14:18 | OK, moving on. How much RAM does your client have?
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| 14:18 | <jtwood> 2GB
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| 14:18 | <alkisg> On the client, on the gnome-terminal that you've opened, run this:
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| 14:18 | ltsp-localapps xterm
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| 14:18 | Did an xterm open?
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| 14:18 | <jtwood> yeah
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| 14:18 | <alkisg> OK, on that xterm, run: getltscfg -a
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| 14:18 | And put the results to pastebin
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| 14:19 | <jtwood> it actually gave me nothing
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| 14:19 | <alkisg> So you don't have an lts.conf, correct?
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| 14:19 | <jtwood> nope
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| 14:20 | <alkisg> Again on that xterm: grep MemTotal /proc/meminfo
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| 14:20 | That's really 2 Gb? (just checking)
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| 14:21 | <jtwood> 1797332kB
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| 14:21 | <alkisg> Nice. And: cat /etc/ltsp_fat_chroot
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| 14:21 | again FAT_CLIENT_DESKTOPS='ubuntu-desktop'?
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| 14:22 | <jtwood> on the xterm? no such file or directory
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| 14:22 | <alkisg> So you're probably sending the wrong nbd image to the client
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| 14:23 | Check /etc/inetd.conf on the server, your dhcpd.conf, and your arch/pxelinux.cfg/default
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| 14:23 | <jtwood> Okay...I bet I am too...
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| 14:23 | I didn't even think of changing it in the dhcp.conf
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| 14:23 | I feel like a fool...give me a minute
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| 14:23 | <alkisg> Nah it's too much duplicated info to remember it all
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| 14:26 | <jtwood> Alkisg: You'll love this oen...it looks like it was in ined.conf...but in my infinite wisdom today, I sent a reboot command from the thin client to the server! HAHA
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| 14:26 | <alkisg> Hehe
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| 14:27 | Hope it wasn't on production
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| 14:27 | <jtwood> Nope
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| 14:27 | <jtwood> Thankfully...that would get me too many calls!
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| 14:28 | I'll let you know when I get everything booted back up...but I have a feeling that was it...I ran into it before and found it myself, but I slept since
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| 14:38 | It works
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| 15:29 | <roasted> Question for you guys. If I power up 30 fat clients at once, is it to be expected that some of them may not boot properly? I was getting some of them hanging at the Edubuntu screen. Maybe 4 or 5. But if I reboot them they fire up just fine. Is booting them up at the same time (30) a bad idea or should I space them out?
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| 15:33 | <abeehc> you see any indicate the network link is saturateD?
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| 15:35 | <roasted> It's very doubtful, because when I tested it, nobody else was in the building.....
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| 15:35 | They're on a dedicated switch too, so it's not hopping around from switch to switch to closet to closet, etc.
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| 15:38 | <abeehc> gigabit i ahve to assume
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| 15:39 | i don't mean other people saturating it
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| 15:39 | i mean rebooting 30 clients should and could saturate the link to the server
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| 15:39 | <roasted> I was just curious if 30 clients that start at the SAME time should work or not
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| 15:39 | ah okay
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| 15:39 | <abeehc> i offset my reboots a bit
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| 15:39 | <roasted> I was just curious if that was expected
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| 15:39 | :)
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| 15:39 | <abeehc> i've seen my box get rocked if poeple all reboot at the same time
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| 15:39 | then again my server isn't super good and the vmware nic drivers also blow
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| 15:40 | <abeehc> i personaly would sort of expect a bit more stress on the server rebooting that many
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| 15:40 | <roasted> it might also help if I take both gigabit NIC's and use them
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| 15:40 | <abeehc> but for them to actually timeout the network would have to be suffering
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| 15:40 | <roasted> right now I'm only using one
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| 15:40 | well they might end up firing up if I let them run, but I got inpatient and I was like they should have loaded by now...
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| 15:41 | cause th eother 25 are booted up and good to go
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| 15:41 | yet the other 5 or so kinda sit around for a while
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| 15:41 | I let them go for 3-4 minutes, no dice. I reboot, bam. works.
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| 15:41 | just wanted tomake sure if that was expected. and like Isaid these are fat clients (not sure if theyre that different than thin clients with boot time)
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| 21:46 | <alkisg> Roasted: no, firing up 30 clients at the same time shouldn't cause you any problems. See if this affects you: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ltsp/+bug/589034
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| 21:53 | If your 2 nics are plain pci then it won't help, the pci bus only has about 1 gb bandwidth anyway
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| 21:53 | If they're pci-e, sure, try bonding them, it'll double your client disk speed
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