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Channel log from 26 November 2008 (all times are UTC)
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| 01:19 | <nicku> how can i mount usb stick automatically in clients
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| 01:42 | <nicku> if i want clients to have some program do i want to install it to /opt/ltsp/i386 or normally to the server
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| 01:52 | <johnny> server
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| 02:26 | <nicku> johnny: for what is the /opt/ltsp/i386 used for
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| 02:27 | <johnny> to boot the thin clients off of
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| 02:27 | they download it
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| 02:28 | it's just the minimal needed to connect to the server
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| 02:29 | <nicku> so after i have made the image i don't really need it to anything
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| 02:36 | <johnny> you need to let it sit there :)
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| 02:36 | you can modify it for certain things that are interesting
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| 02:36 | like applications that run local on the client, if your clients are powerful enough
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| 02:36 | so firefox+flash works better
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| 02:36 | or voip apps
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| 02:50 | <nicku> johnny: but if i use nbd are those files still used
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| 02:50 | <johnny> no...
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| 02:50 | but i wouldn't suggest deleting them
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| 02:51 | since you will most likely want to upgrade it at some point
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| 02:52 | <nicku> johnny: okay.. so if i use nbd and wan't to update the clients i have to update the /opt/ltsp/i386 and then redo the image
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| 02:52 | <johnny> ltsp-update-image yes
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| 02:53 | <nicku> johnny: one more question.. how can i make usb to automount
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| 02:54 | example usb stick and cameras
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| 02:54 | <johnny> they should just work..
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| 02:54 | only unpartitioned usb sticks do not work
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| 02:55 | <nicku> hmm.. they just don't seem to work :D
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| 02:57 | should i put localdev = y to lts.conf or is that default
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| 03:00 | <johnny> that should be default
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| 03:01 | there's a debugging local devices howto on the ubunu wiki
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| 03:05 | <nicku> okay i think that the problem is that my users aren't in the fuse group
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| 03:06 | my users are authed agains pam+winbind.. how can i put them in fuse group
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| 03:22 | <johnny> your users need a primary group of their user name
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| 03:22 | that tends to be the most common problem
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| 03:22 | <johnny> however winbind handles grouping
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| 03:22 | i have no idea
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| 03:23 | <kwakito> hi, does anyone know how to install a searchable menu system in fedora? like the one used in linuxmint?
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| 03:23 | <johnny> you can use the tracker applet to search for anything
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| 03:23 | or use the deskbar applet
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| 03:23 | or the main menu like in suse
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| 03:25 | <johnny> it was called gnome-main-menu in gentoo.. not sure what it is called anywhere else
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| 03:30 | <kwakito> ic
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| 05:45 | <nicku> how can i put AD usergroups to fuse group. i need them to be able to use fuse
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| 06:44 | <nicku> what could be wrong when i can't use usb stick on thinclient even with local user accounts
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| 06:47 | there is also another problem with ltsp.. i have rdesktop running in screen 8 and ltsp in 7.. after a while it switches screens on it's own
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| 06:51 | <beia_> i need help
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| 06:52 | <laga> isn't that a beatles song?
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| 06:52 | <beia_> i install debian and get ltsp-utils
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| 06:52 | before ltspadmin to install packages
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| 06:53 | my version is 4.2
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| 06:53 | i configured dhcp server.. this ok..
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| 06:53 | but
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| 06:54 | on boot for LAN, this message show
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| 06:54 | PXE -0: File not found
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| 06:56 | <nicku> is your dhcpd configured properly.. what is the tftp path
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| 06:59 | <ogra> you really shouldnt run 4.2 unless you have a very very good reason to
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| 07:01 | <beia_> nicku what ?
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| 07:14 | <ltsppbot> "beia_" pasted "DHCP conf" (25 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/114
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| 07:20 | <cdshan> Hello All ! I have just completed installing ltsp5 on Centos 5.2, In the documentation, it is suggested we run ltsp-build-client but I don't find any such command in my machine, could some one help me
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| 07:25 | <ogra> it comes with the ltsp-server package usually
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| 07:25 | <cdshan> ogra: I installed the server rpm but did not get the ltsp-build-client any suggestions?
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| 07:26 | <ogra> no idea, where thr rpm installs it ... i only do ubuntu and debian usually
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| 07:26 | <cdshan> or would it be in some other location on the machine and is not in the env path?
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| 07:27 | Any one to my rescue?
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| 07:27 | I have been trying to get this working for the last two days with very little luck.
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| 07:30 | <ogra> wait for warren to come online (he is on a US timezone), he maintains the fedora port
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| 07:41 | <cdshan> ogra: would warren be online for the most part of the day?
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| 07:41 | If that be the case, I would take a break and be back for a full session.
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| 07:42 | Warren: are you there?
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| 07:43 | <ogra> not sure how much he's online ... given that fedroa just had a release hw might even relax
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| 07:43 | *he
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| 07:44 | <cdshan> I ok
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| 07:44 | thanks for the input.,
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| 07:44 | I will try my luck latter
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| 07:44 | bye
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| 07:55 | <nicku> beia_: but / in front of the lts in filename
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| 07:58 | <gate_keeper_> hi guys, how should i change the login window on the thin clients ...
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| 07:59 | it's the gdm Human ..
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| 07:59 | ?
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| 08:00 | <ogra> gate_keeper_, you can set LDM_THEME in lts.cong to point to one of the three other shipped themes
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| 08:00 | *conf
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| 08:07 | <metalfan_> hi
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| 08:07 | is it possible to get ltsp working without a dhcp server? i only need one client/one server but dont have control about the running dhcp server
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| 08:08 | <ogra> you need the dhcp server for netbooting
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| 08:08 | <metalfan_> will boot from usb
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| 08:08 | <ogra> if the existing one can be set up to do that you can indeed use this one
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| 08:08 | <laga> metalfan_: yeah, booting from USB works
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| 08:08 | <ogra> with hackery
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| 08:08 | and indeed its not actuall LTSP
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| 08:09 | *actually
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| 08:09 | <metalfan_> well...its linux...inst it?
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| 08:09 | <nubae> hackery sounds a lot like witchery
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| 08:09 | <ogra> all scripts and tools are focused on netboot
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| 08:09 | <metalfan_> what do you mean by "not actually ltsp"?
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| 08:09 | <ogra> so LTSP is all about booting from the network
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| 08:09 | <metalfan_> ok
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| 08:10 | <ogra> and all features and functions we write are aimed at that
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| 08:10 | <metalfan_> makes sense
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| 08:10 | <ogra> you can surely grab a ltsp chroot and modify it to do usb booting
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| 08:10 | <ogra> but it will require a good amount of work
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| 08:11 | <metalfan_> usb was mentioned in some document on the ltsp site, so i was assuming that its possible
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| 08:12 | <nubae> well usb is useful in wireless situations
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| 08:13 | diskless-workstations.com sells them I believe
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| 08:13 | <laga> ogra: well, you can copy a kernel to the usb stick and then boot the chroot over the net.
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| 08:13 | <ogra> kernel and initramfs i guess
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| 08:13 | <metalfan_> http://ltsp.mirrors.tds.net/pub/ltsp/docs/ltsp-4.1-en.html#AEN67 <- there it is. you need to set the network information by hand, but is that all?
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| 08:14 | <_UsUrPeR_> doews anyone else in here use xchat?
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| 08:14 | <ogra> ltsp 4.x is dead since 3.5years
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| 08:14 | <_UsUrPeR_> err... does
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| 08:14 | <ogra> _UsUrPeR_, yep
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| 08:14 | <metalfan_> ok
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| 08:15 | <_UsUrPeR_> ogra: I registered my nick. In mirc there's a place where I can put stuff in to be done when I join a server
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| 08:15 | where is that in here?
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| 08:15 | <metalfan_> yeah, i skipped the 5.x docs because it looked like random info.....
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| 08:15 | <nubae> !docs
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| 08:15 | <ltspbot> nubae: "docs" is For the most current documentation, see http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LtspDocumentationUpstream
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| 08:15 | <ogra> _UsUrPeR_, in the network list
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| 08:20 | <metalfan_> Load the Linux kernel into the memory of the thin client. This can be done several different ways, either by using PXE, gPXE, Etherboot, or yaboot. <- is there a reason for grub not mentioned here?
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| 08:23 | <metalfan_> do you use Xvfb to have the xorg server start on the remote system?
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| 08:25 | <ogra> grub doesnt support network booting :)
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| 08:25 | no, we use xorg from the distro
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| 08:26 | <gate_keeper_> ogra, thx
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| 08:28 | <metalfan_> ogra, ah thx
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| 08:28 | ogra, whats the trick to get a normal xorg server running and redirecting input/output to another machine?
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| 08:29 | tried to use a normal xorg for vnc clients, but never got it running...currently Xvfb/x11vnc is used
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| 08:29 | <ogra> read up about XDMCP
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| 08:30 | but note that LTSP doesnt use it anymore
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| 08:30 | we use ssh
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| 08:34 | <metalfan_> ah nice
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| 08:34 | just ssh?
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| 08:35 | you are not talking about a ssh tunnel for the xdmcp data?
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| 08:38 | <ogra> i do :)
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| 08:38 | essentially LDM (teh display manager we use) does ssh -X user@server /etc/X11/Xsession
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| 08:39 | <Gadi> gutentag, all
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| 08:39 | :)
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| 08:42 | <ogra> :)
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| 08:45 | <nubae> Grüsse Gadi :-)
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| 09:13 | <petre> warren, ping
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| 09:31 | <zoggop> good morning
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| 09:32 | any ideas on why a thin client might be running really sluggishly (this is an ubuntu server serving thin clients over a 10/100 switch in the same room)?
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| 09:33 | <petre> are any other clients on the same switch being sluggish?
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| 09:34 | <zoggop> yeah, it is a server problem, both clients act the same way
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| 09:34 | i think i've ruled out a memory issue
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| 09:34 | because even when there's plenty of memory free they are sluggish, especially rendering in firefox
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| 09:36 | <Appiah> not the cpu going full?
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| 09:41 | <zoggop> err, well reloading the gmail page in firefox causes one of the cpus to go to 80% usage for three seconds
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| 09:43 | i suppose going from ubuntu 6 to ubuntu 8 could simply be too much for the system
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| 09:43 | 2GB, dual P4 2.8GHz...
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| 09:44 | maybe the bandwidth is being limited by one of the NICs on the switch...
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| 09:44 | sorry, thinking out loud
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| 09:46 | <Appiah> O_o
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| 09:46 | Well its a more demanding firefox I belive..
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| 09:47 | <zoggop> yeah that seems pretty absurd doesn't it?
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| 09:48 | just switching tabs causes one cpu to spike to 40%!
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| 09:50 | <highvoltage> I need some help, I upgraded to Intrepid from Hardy on an ltsp machine
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| 09:50 | and now the keyboards aren't working on the clients
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| 09:51 | I had a similar problem before on a standalone machine where I just had to boot into the new intrepid kernel. these machines are booting the new kernel though
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| 09:53 | <Comete> hi
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| 09:54 | i use edubuntu 8.10 and i would like to change the default umask value for my LTSP thinclients, where can i set the new value (002) ?
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| 09:55 | <petre> Comete, /etc/profile?
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| 09:56 | <Comete> petre: yes but this works only for users connecting directly on the server but not for those using a thinclient...
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| 09:56 | <petre> ah, no, users are logging into the server, and running apps there and creating files there
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| 09:56 | or are you running local apps?
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| 09:57 | which is rather cutting edge
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| 09:57 | unless you're running local apps, it just looks like their running on the thin client
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| 09:58 | <Comete> no local apps on the thinclient, all apps are on the server
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| 10:00 | <petre> Comete, then when users login, they are being logged into the server
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| 10:00 | <Comete> by example if i log on to the server and open nautilus and create a file, it works (with /etc/profile and umask 002 value in it) but now if i login using a thinclient with the same user and do the same , it doesn't work...
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| 10:01 | <petre> Comete, what if you login via TC and then touch a new file in a terminal?
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| 10:01 | nautilus doesn't always work the same as a command line
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| 10:01 | I'm not sure in this case
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| 10:02 | <Comete> it doesn't work either in a terminal an a simple "touch"
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| 10:02 | <petre> what permissions/umask are you seeing if the file is created via TC?
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| 10:03 | <Comete> the default 022
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| 10:05 | <petre> are you encrypting the whole session or just the login?
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| 10:05 | * petre wonders if the use of ssh changes things like umask | |
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| 10:06 | <Comete> i use ldm to connect with thinclient
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| 10:07 | so ssh i think ?
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| 10:07 | <petre> right, there's an XDMCP setting you can use if you only wnat the login over ssh
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| 10:08 | I can't recall it ATM (someone here should chime in with the specifics)
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| 10:08 | but by default, I think it puts everything over SSH
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| 10:09 | <warren> Comete: have you plugged a single client directly into the server?
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| 10:09 | <petre> nevertheless, once you're logged in, you're logged in to the server
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| 10:09 | <Comete> warren: yes only one at the moment
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| 10:09 | <warren> and still slow?
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| 10:09 | <petre> and that means the umask in /etc/profile should take effect
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| 10:09 | <Comete> warren: slow ?
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| 10:10 | <petre> warren, that's zoggop
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| 10:10 | <Comete> petre: yes but it doesn't
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| 10:10 | <zoggop> hrm?
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| 10:10 | <petre> Comete wants to change the umask
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| 10:10 | <warren> oh
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| 10:10 | <Comete> :)
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| 10:10 | <petre> files are getting 022 instead of 002 even though it's set to 002 in /etc/profile
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| 10:11 | right Comete ?
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| 10:11 | * petre has wrestled with similar problems in the past | |
| 10:11 | <Comete> yes except when login directly on the server itself
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| 10:11 | <petre> Comete, what happens if you ssh into the server from a fat client?
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| 10:12 | <Comete> good idea
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| 10:12 | <petre> warren, I talked to William Fragakis about his jetpipe issue:
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| 10:13 | <petre> it was indeed a system that had formerly been K12LTSP and that he had upgraded
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| 10:13 | <Comete> petre: i test and come back thanks
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| 10:13 | <warren> but jetpipe was fine with an earlier version of k12linux?
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| 10:13 | <petre> not that that shouldn't work, but his jetpipe problem may be an isolated case
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| 10:13 | <warren> oh
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| 10:14 | petre: _UsUrPeR_ found yesterday that jetpipe is broken in F9 (the last two versions) due to a selinux-policy issue
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| 10:14 | <petre> ah, I don't think LTSP 4.2 used jetpipe
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| 10:14 | oh, so we do have a problem
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| 10:14 | <warren> _UsUrPeR_: did you file a bug? I really need the exact text of that AVC
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| 10:14 | petre: if _UsUrPeR_ is correct, then it couldn't have worked for ANYONE but William was the first to complain
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| 10:14 | <petre> good ol' selinux
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| 10:15 | <warren> petre: although ogra yesterday said jetpipe has new crashes after the hackfest
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| 10:15 | <petre> I know, I know, it's a good thing; it's just a pain sometimes
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| 10:15 | <warren> selinux-policy is only a bug
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| 10:16 | "Oh man, it is such a pain to get a new rule into the firewall, I'll just turn the corporate firewall OFF."
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| 10:16 | that's how people behave about selinux.
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| 10:16 | it is EASY to get new rules into selinux upstream
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| 10:16 | usually you just hand the AVC text to dwalsh and it just happens
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| 10:16 | sometimes he asks you a question
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| 10:17 | <petre> the fact that many people react by just turning it off suggests it could use a better interface
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| 10:18 | so, if policy is set to just 'warn', does jetpipe still have a problem?
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| 10:18 | <warren> petre: according to _UsUrPeR_ no
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| 10:18 | petre: the thing is, the default policies have been getting so good lately, that few people ever turn it off
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| 10:18 | it was just really bad in the early days
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| 10:19 | <petre> except for those of us who just got in the habit of turning it off because of the difficult early days
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| 10:19 | * petre blushes | |
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| 10:22 | <warren> FILE BUGS
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| 10:22 | <rjune> *really* bad.
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| 10:22 | <warren> those bugs tend to be the ones that get fixed the fastest of all bugs
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| 10:22 | Here's a surprise: EVEN RHEL
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| 10:22 | he fixes those same bugs in RHEL5 rapidly
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| 10:23 | <rjune> Does centos commit bugfixes back upstream?
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| 10:23 | <warren> rjune: centos has to file bugs in RH bugzilla
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| 10:24 | <rjune> they don't fix any bugs themselves?
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| 10:29 | <Comete> petre: so if i use a fat client to connect with ssh, it works...
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| 10:29 | <petre> Comete, as it should ;-)
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| 10:29 | <Comete> i get a 002 umask value as set in /etc/profile
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| 10:30 | so there something with thinclients
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| 10:30 | and don't know why
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| 10:30 | maybe LDM or Xorg
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| 10:32 | <petre> I don't have access to a thin client ATM; can anyone else coroborate Comete's experience?
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| 10:36 | * _UsUrPeR_ 's ears are burning | |
| 10:37 | <_UsUrPeR_> sorry I did not respond earlier
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| 10:38 | warren: I am not sure a bug report needs to be filed. It appears that I just need to add an exception in SELinux to get the job done
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| 10:38 | <warren> _UsUrPeR_: yes... but if I have that AVC text, I can make it work automatically for everyone
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| 10:38 | _UsUrPeR_: if you install it for another customer in the future it will JUST OWRK
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| 10:39 | <_UsUrPeR_> ahh. The problem was allowing CUPS to access the /etc/hosts file.
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| 10:39 | if I used an IP address, everything worked great
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| 10:39 | but using a hostname was not allowed because SELinux was blocking access to hosts
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| 10:39 | <warren> I know
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| 10:40 | file the AVC text
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| 10:40 | that should be fixed
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| 10:40 | <_UsUrPeR_> okok, let me get the actual error
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| 10:40 | I have to switch some stuff around on the server to get this error again
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| 10:41 | * warren whack. | |
| 10:41 | <Comete> petre: i must leave now thanks
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| 10:41 | <warren> I have to shower and drive now
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| 10:41 | bbl
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| 10:42 | <_UsUrPeR_> when you refer to the AVC text, do you mean the alert that goes up?
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| 10:42 | <alkisg> metalfan_: for booting without dhcp, you may copy /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/vmlinuz and initrd locally and boot them with grub with kernel parameter ip=<ip;gw;server etc>. The rest will be loaded from the network normally. And there's also a modified gpxe from slitaz.org which can remotely load vmlinuz with static network parameters.
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| 10:43 | <warren> _UsUrPeR_: tail -f /var/log/audit/audit.log, hit ENTER a few times to make some blank spaces
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| 10:43 | _UsUrPeR_: then cause the error. you'll see a AVC
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| 10:45 | <_UsUrPeR_> k, I have saved the report from the selinux GUI and also copy-pasta'd the /var/log/audit/audit.log in to the same file.
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| 10:46 | !pastebin
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| 10:46 | <ltspbot> _UsUrPeR_: "pastebin" is try !pastebot
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| 10:47 | <_UsUrPeR_> !pastebot
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| 10:47 | <ltspbot> _UsUrPeR_: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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| 10:48 | <ltsppbot> "_UsUrPeR_" pasted "AVC error w/ CUPS and the hosts file" (112 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/115
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| 10:48 | <_UsUrPeR_> there you go.
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| 10:48 | warren: I can also email the .txt file to you if you want
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| 10:50 | where did that bug need to go? I distinctly recall that you had said this has nothing to do with ltsp, but it needed to be fixed elsewhere
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| 10:52 | <metalfan_> alkisg, thx
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| 10:53 | <alkisg> metalfan_: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/StaticIPsWithoutDHCP for more info
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| 10:55 | <warren> _UsUrPeR_: e-mail it ot me
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| 10:55 | i'll file it
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| 10:55 | <metalfan_> looks like ltsp uses nfsv3 or ndb, is the connection encrypted?
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| 10:55 | <warren> _UsUrPeR_: oh, also e-mail me your cups config
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| 10:55 | _UsUrPeR_: that causes the error
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| 10:55 | <_UsUrPeR_> what's your addy?
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| 10:56 | <_UsUrPeR_> warren: also, where is cups config kept on the system? I am just using the gui to config.
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| 10:56 | <warren> _UsUrPeR_: /etc/cups/something
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| 10:56 | _UsUrPeR_: grep for the hostname
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| 10:58 | <_UsUrPeR_> warren: I am seeing /etc/cups/printers.conf
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| 10:58 | that's the config for that specific printer
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| 10:58 | I'll email you the hosts file too
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| 10:59 | warren: what's your email address?
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| 10:59 | <warren> wtogami@redhat.com
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| 10:59 | gotta drive now
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| 10:59 | <_UsUrPeR_> k, later
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| 11:04 | <_UsUrPeR_> warren: sent
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| 11:24 | <cdshan> Hello, I have installed CentOS 5.2 on my server and would like to install ltsp5 on it. Could some one guide me as to where I could find the required files. Or the changes to be done to the yum.conf and the corresponding .repo file so that I could use yum to install the same.
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| 11:27 | :'(
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| 11:28 | <Q-FUNK> hmm, an ltsp5 port to CentOS would nice, actually
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| 11:30 | <cdshan> I believe the k12linuxltsp the es version is built on centos but the issue is that I am able to access only the iso image and not the individual rpms to be installed.
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| 11:33 | <pscheie> warren got ltsp5 working on RHEL 5 (or was it Centos?) but with a fedora chroot
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| 11:33 | he and another fellow started working on getting a full RHEL implementation working at BTS
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| 11:34 | <cdshan> but unfortunately I am not able to get in touch with warren!
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| 11:35 | hope he see these messages and replies. I have even posted on the mailing list
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| 11:35 | <pscheie> he's not here right now
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| 11:35 | I thought he posted some notes somewhere; let me look
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| 11:36 | <cdshan> What would be a best time to catch him! That will be great
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| 11:37 | <pscheie> Oh, about 30 minutes ago would have been good. ;-)
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| 11:37 | brb
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| 11:38 | <cdshan> I was logged on about 2 hours back, just took a dinner break and I guess lost him over my dinner :)
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| 11:44 | pscheie: Any luck with the documents warren had posted?
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| 11:44 | <_UsUrPeR_> huh
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| 12:17 | <stgraber> Gadi: I'm about to test your xrandr xinitrc.d script, anything I should focus on ?
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| 13:10 | <jammcq> hellooooo #ltsp
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| 13:10 | <_UsUrPeR_> sup jammcq
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| 13:11 | I am doing a new install of ubuntu 8.10 to test out ltsp 5 functionality.
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| 13:11 | and am having an issue getting TFTP to send over an image to the client
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| 13:11 | it's stopping waiting for tftp from the server
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| 13:11 | no firewall
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| 13:11 | <jammcq> hmm
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| 13:13 | <_UsUrPeR_> it seems like tftpd-hpa is not running
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| 13:13 | grepping for it in ps aux shows nothing running
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| 13:13 | <jammcq> do this: netstat -anp | grep ":69 "
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| 13:13 | <ogra> check inetd.conf
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| 13:14 | <jammcq> that'll tell us if anything is listening on port 69 (tftpd)
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| 13:14 | <_UsUrPeR_> nothing showing in netstat
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| 13:15 | <jammcq> yeah, do: grep tftp /etc/inetd.conf
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| 13:15 | <_UsUrPeR_> hmm
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| 13:16 | <_UsUrPeR_> ok, it shows as follows: tftp dgram udp wait root /usr/sbin/in.tftpd /usr/sbin/in.tftpd -s /var/lib/tftpdboot
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| 13:16 | <ogra> sudo /etc/init.d/openbsd-inetd restart
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| 13:16 | <jammcq> maybe you just need to restart inetd
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| 13:16 | <_UsUrPeR_> there's three other lines in there as well, but I figured this is the mose importent
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| 13:16 | <ogra> and try again
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| 13:18 | <_UsUrPeR_> after restert; still not showing a listening port on ;69
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| 13:18 | and no dice on client boot
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| 13:19 | <ogra> did oyu install from CD ?
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| 13:19 | <_UsUrPeR_> i am running 8.10 -- installed 1 hour ago. fully updated
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| 13:19 | after update; apt-get install ltsp-server-standalone
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| 13:19 | <ogra> ah, so you didnt do the CD install
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| 13:20 | <_UsUrPeR_> cd install/
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| 13:20 | <ogra> !ubuntu
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| 13:20 | <_UsUrPeR_> err ?
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| 13:20 | <ltspbot> ogra: "ubuntu" is a Debian based GNU/Linux distrubution that includes a Ubuntu specific version of LTSP. It can be found at http://www.ubuntulinux.org. to install ltsp on ubuntu: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall
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| 13:20 | <ogra> see the quickistall doc
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| 13:20 | the alternate CD has a ltsp install mode
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| 13:20 | thats definately tested a lot more than installing ltsp manually
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| 13:20 | <_UsUrPeR_> haha oh wow. Nice touch.
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| 13:21 | ok, I'll give that another shot.
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| 13:21 | in the mean time, what broke in manual install?
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| 13:21 | <ogra> it might need a reboot though
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| 13:21 | not sure why inetd isnt picking it up
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| 13:21 | i noticed that happens sometimes and a reboot solves it
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| 13:21 | <_UsUrPeR_> i didnt see anything in messages or syslog
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| 13:21 | ok, lemme give that a shot
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| 13:22 | * _UsUrPeR_ thanks god for vmware | |
| 13:22 | <ogra> th eupdate-inetd program that adds the tftp line to the config usually restarts the tftp server
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| 13:22 | err, vmware ?
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| 13:22 | i think vmware adds its on tftpserver somewhere
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| 13:23 | <laga> ogra: that's something that doesnt always seem to work (update-inetd stuff)
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| 13:23 | <ogra> laga, yeah, i'll look into it in jaunty if i find time
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| 13:23 | <laga> ogra: same here...
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| 13:23 | <ogra> bu vmware is knwn to do some evil stuff
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| 13:24 | vmware server forcefully pulls in crap like xinetd iirc ...
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| 13:24 | _UsUrPeR_, ^^^ check that you only have openbsd-inetd installed
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| 13:25 | <_UsUrPeR_> ogra: when you say "only" you mean what?
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| 13:25 | <_UsUrPeR_> check for other inetd installs?
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| 13:25 | <ogra> yeah
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| 13:25 | dpkg -l|grep inetd
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| 13:26 | <_UsUrPeR_> openbsd-inetd and update-inetd
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| 13:26 | that's all it shows
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| 13:26 | <ogra> thats fine
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| 13:26 | well, if you use an internal network in vmware there is anothet tftp server it adds itself ...
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| 13:27 | i heard people have lots of probs with it with ltsp
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| 13:27 | <_UsUrPeR_> oh, no. I only make servers in vmware
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| 13:27 | the clients are external hardware
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| 13:27 | as a server, vmware works fine
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| 13:27 | * ogra never touches vmware | |
| 13:27 | <_UsUrPeR_> I could see clients getting a little hokey
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| 13:28 | <warren> _UsUrPeR_: was that F9 with all updates that you hit the selinux denial?
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| 13:28 | _UsUrPeR_: is that box still running? I could use specific versions
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| 13:29 | rpm -q cups selinux-policy ltsp-server ldm
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| 13:29 | <_UsUrPeR_> warren: Let me get you the ver.
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| 13:32 | warren: cups-1.3.9-1.fc9.i386, selinux-policy-3.3.1-103.fc9.noarch, ltsp-server-5.1.26-1.fc9.i386, package ldm is not installed
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| 13:33 | <warren> thanks
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| 13:34 | _UsUrPeR_: ltsp-server-5.1.26 and the newer ltsp-server, same issue correct?
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| 13:34 | _UsUrPeR_: the cups daemon is running on this server correct?
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| 13:35 | <_UsUrPeR_> correct
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| 13:35 | exact same server
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| 13:42 | <_UsUrPeR_> ogra: there is no option in the installation of 8.10 for "install an ltsp server"
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| 13:43 | flpxj
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| 13:43 | <warren> _UsUrPeR_: you might want to change the names of things before e-mailing them, so I don't know this is at a defense contractor...
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| 13:43 | <_UsUrPeR_> nm I see it
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| 13:43 | <ogra> :)
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| 13:43 | <_UsUrPeR_> flpxj
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| 13:44 | warren: thanks for the very public reminder :)
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| 13:46 | <warren> I didn't say which defense contractor that is not Raytheon, BAE. General Dynamics, Boeing, Lockheed, or Northrop.
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| 13:48 | * _UsUrPeR_ pictures his apartment door being kicked in by a heavily-armed FBI SWAT unit... | |
| 13:48 | <warren> _UsUrPeR_: type=AVC msg=audit(1227724974.326:1639): avc: denied { read } for pid=2699 comm="cupsd" name="hosts" dev=dm-0 ino=37988257 scontext=system_u:system_r:cupsd_t:s0-s0:c0.c1023 tcontext=system_u:object_r:dosfs_t:s0 tclass=file
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| 13:48 | _UsUrPeR_: any idea why it has dosfs_t?
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| 13:48 | <Gadi> vagrantc: ping
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| 13:48 | <_UsUrPeR_> warren: not a clue. dosfs = DOS File System?
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| 13:49 | <warren> I presume so
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| 13:49 | _UsUrPeR_: was this running off of a usb stick?
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| 13:49 | <_UsUrPeR_> no. this system has had no contact with a windows environment
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| 13:50 | <warren> ok, odd to have dosfs_t there.
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| 13:50 | <vagrantc> Gadi: avast!
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| 13:51 | <Gadi> lol
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| 13:51 | stgraber's had a lot of good testing results with the xrandr script
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| 13:51 | before I push upstream, I want to make sure it is good-to-go on debian and fedora
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| 13:51 | <vagrantc> i haven't had a chance to test on real hardware, but it's terrible with virtualbox, which is my primary test environment
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| 13:52 | <Gadi> he tested with intel, via, and other real hardware
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| 13:52 | <stgraber> yeah, the VB video driver just crashes when you do a xrandr --mode call
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| 13:52 | <Gadi> ah
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| 13:52 | <stgraber> but it's not Gadi's script fault, the driver is buggy
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| 13:53 | <ogra> depends which one you use ;)
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| 13:53 | <vagrantc> yes, but if it doesn't work reliably everwhere it's used, i wouldn't want it to be default behavior
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| 13:53 | <ogra> i doubt you guys have the actual vb driver installed :)
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| 13:53 | <stgraber> vagrantc: you shouldn't have XRANDR_MODE_0 set by default so it won't crash
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| 13:53 | <ogra> (which is only available if you install the guest stuff in the client)
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| 13:53 | <vagrantc> Gadi, stgraber: have you tested with the vesa driver?
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| 13:54 | <ogra> vb should use vesa by default actually
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| 13:54 | unless you install the guest additions in the client and use a custom xorg.conf
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| 13:54 | <vagrantc> stgraber: yeah, but it'll set that based on X_MODE_0
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| 13:54 | <stgraber> vagrantc: right, but X_MODE_0 doesn't work at all yet, right ?
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| 13:55 | <vagrantc> stgraber: works in debian
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| 13:55 | <stgraber> it only works if you use CONFIGURE_X which should make Gadi's script not to start
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| 13:55 | <Gadi> how about if we use the xrandr script if CONFIGURE_X=False?
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| 13:55 | <stgraber> Gadi: yeah, would make sense
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| 13:55 | <ogra> definately
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| 13:55 | <Gadi> ok. I need to add a conditional then
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| 13:55 | <vagrantc> sounds reasonable.
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| 13:55 | i have a gut feeling it's not good enough, though...
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| 13:56 | <ogra> .oO(all that old cruft)
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| 13:56 | vagrantc, it definately wont if you want to use that on etch
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| 13:56 | * Gadi wonders how to fix vagrantc's gut... | |
| 13:56 | <vagrantc> i definitely have no plans for etch, but want to ensure it works on lenny
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| 13:57 | <ogra> the xrandr at etch time was still very young
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| 13:57 | <Gadi> ah, I know why his gut hursts
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| 13:57 | *hurts
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| 13:57 | <ogra> vagrantc, it works on hardy ... lenny should have the same xorg
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| 13:57 | <Gadi> because people with earlier lts.confs will not have CONFIGURE_X=True because that is the current default
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| 13:58 | <ogra> its not
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| 13:58 | at least in ubuntu
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| 13:58 | <vagrantc> it's upstream default
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| 13:58 | <ogra> CONFIGURE_X=False is the default
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| 13:58 | huh
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| 13:58 | wo reverted that ?
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| 13:58 | <vagrantc> CONFIGURE_X=False, that is
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| 13:58 | <ogra> *who
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| 13:58 | ah
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| 13:58 | <Gadi> ah
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| 13:58 | ok
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| 13:59 | so, good
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| 13:59 | <johnny> CONFIGURE_X is false by default now?
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| 13:59 | <Gadi> I'll add a conditional
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| 13:59 | <vagrantc> Gadi: i'd say add the conditional, and worst case is we revert it
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| 13:59 | <ogra> johnny, since a while already
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| 13:59 | <johnny> nice
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| 13:59 | <ogra> vagrantc, do you plan to pull that into lenny pre release ?
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| 14:00 | <johnny> i was already forcing it off
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| 14:00 | i guess i don't need it anymore
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| 14:00 | <vagrantc> ogra: pull what?
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| 14:00 | <ogra> apart from you nobody has a release ahead ...
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| 14:01 | <vagrantc> i'm stuck at what feel like ancient versions of everything for lenny, but i want to keep backportability as much as possible. but i can add patches to the backports if something's totally unacceptible for upstream.
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| 14:01 | <ogra> i mean wrt breakage ... if we can just drop in soething broken for a test phase that could help
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| 14:02 | to get feedback from ditro testers
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| 14:02 | <vagrantc> i'm fine with it with the conditional
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| 14:02 | <ogra> *distro
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| 14:02 | <vagrantc> wrap the whole thing in: if ! boolean_is_true "$CONFIGURE_X" ; then ... ; fi
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| 14:02 | <ogra> yeah
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| 14:03 | * ogra is aching for CONFIGURE_X to vanish | |
| 14:04 | * vagrantc can feel ogra's ache across 2 continents and a puddle | |
| 14:04 | <ogra> heh :)
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| 14:04 | <vagrantc> works either direction, too :)
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| 14:04 | <ogra> yeah
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| 14:04 | <Gadi> ok
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| 14:04 | I pushed the conditional into my branch
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| 14:05 | stgraber: can you just pull and test for me just to make sure I didnt do anything stupid
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| 14:05 | :)
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| 14:06 | if this one's a go, I'll merge into upstream
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| 14:27 | <stgraber> Gadi: http://paste.ubuntu.com/77197/
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| 14:35 | <Gadi> stgraber: a few things
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| 14:35 | 1. why use awk, when you can use cut?
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| 14:35 | * Gadi hates having awk dependencies | |
| 14:35 | <Gadi> 2. are u sure about your virtual calcaulations?
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| 14:36 | *calculations
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| 14:36 | <stgraber> they work fine with my Intels here
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| 14:36 | <Gadi> right, but
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| 14:36 | say you want 2 1024x768 displays
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| 14:36 | virtual should be: 2048 2048, right?
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| 14:37 | <Gadi> to allow for max number of positions
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| 14:38 | * Gadi goes to whiteboard to draw boxes | |
| 14:38 | <Gadi> :)
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| 14:39 | or is it just the sum of all verts and the sum of all horzs?
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| 14:39 | <stgraber> Gadi: 1024x1536 is the max
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| 14:39 | *2048x1536
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| 14:40 | you can't have something bigger than 1536px verticaly
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| 14:40 | <Gadi> so, sum of all verts and sum of all horizontals
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| 14:40 | right?
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| 14:40 | <stgraber> yeah, that's what I do
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| 14:40 | <Gadi> ah, then you have a typo
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| 14:40 | in your R_HORIZ calculation
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| 14:41 | and, I would prefer the awks to morph into: cut -dx -f1 and cut -dx -f2
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| 14:42 | if that's ok
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| 14:42 | also, I can merge your for loop into mine
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| 14:42 | so we don't loop twice
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| 14:43 | I can just calculate as I go
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| 14:43 | now, keep in mind, this will affect your other hacks in ltsp-cluster
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| 14:43 | <pscheie> what's the syntax for creating things like !pastbin
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| 14:44 | pastebin
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| 14:44 | remember? learn?
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| 14:44 | <Gadi> pscheie: you mean to teach it to the bot?
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| 14:44 | <pscheie> yes
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| 14:44 | <Gadi> pscheie: !learn <term> as <explanation>
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| 14:44 | iirc
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| 14:45 | <pscheie> hmm, I suppose the bot has to be running first, doesn't it
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| 14:45 | <stgraber> Gadi: well, this script will have to go in hack.d as it needs to be run before X
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| 14:46 | Gadi: but I need to implement hack.d first
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| 14:46 | <stgraber> Gadi: http://paste.ubuntu.com/77202/
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| 14:46 | <Gadi> stgraber: well, perhaps instead of >>, we can sed xorg.conf intelligently
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| 14:47 | so hacks don't step on each other
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| 14:47 | :)
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| 14:47 | <stgraber> yeah, this one is my only hack on Screen, so I planned to run all my other hacks, then finish with this one
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| 14:47 | <Gadi> hmm
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| 14:48 | why do you subshell the cats?
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| 14:48 | <Gadi> as opposed to:
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| 14:48 | cat <<EOF >>/etc/X11/xorg.conf
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| 14:48 | does it make a difference?
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| 14:50 | I think this hack should be merged with the xrandr script and have an X_VIRTUAL_AUTO=<boolean> var to turn off the behavior
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| 14:50 | (on by default)
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| 15:00 | <rjune> !G
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| 15:00 | <ltspbot> rjune: "G" is Gadi!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 15:05 | <Gadi> hey, rjune
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| 15:25 | <mistik1> hey fellas
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| 15:31 | * Gadi rubs his eyes | |
| 15:31 | <Gadi> in disbelief
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| 15:31 | nah... couldnt be....
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| 15:31 | * mistik1 looks around | |
| 15:32 | <mistik1> whacha working on?
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| 15:33 | <Gadi> get my head screwed on straight
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| 15:34 | u?
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| 15:34 | <mistik1> a flowchart app in actionscript
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| 15:34 | <Gadi> hehe
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| 15:34 | from java to actionscript
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| 15:34 | mistik1 does it all
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| 15:34 | :)
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| 15:34 | <mistik1> hehe
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| 15:35 | I have to pinch myself at time wondering if its really me coding flash
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| 15:35 | and not even from the CS from vim no less
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| 15:35 | <Gadi> wow - I didnt know you could code flash on linux
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| 15:36 | <mistik1> Its become quite a nice language afterall
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| 15:36 | with AS3 its now all type safe ala java
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| 15:36 | matter of fact its very very much like java
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| 15:37 | var obj:Object = new Object();
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| 15:37 | all looks the same to me :)
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| 15:38 | <Gadi> cheater
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| 15:38 | <mistik1> obj.foo = bar;
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| 15:38 | nah, cheating is using the flex GUI
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| 15:38 | which of course wont run on my 64bit anyway
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| 15:39 | <Gadi> u in jersey for turkey day?
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| 15:39 | <mistik1> yea
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| 15:39 | <Gadi> nice
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| 15:39 | too bad I couldnt ping u for the trip to maine
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| 15:39 | i was looking for ya
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| 15:39 | but, u where awol
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| 15:40 | <mistik1> Adeenha turned 13 two days ago
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| 15:40 | Yea, I was litterally burried under code
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| 15:40 | <Gadi> mazel tov
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| 15:40 | <mistik1> I now have another teenager on my hands :)
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| 15:41 | Gadi: So, how's the wife and family?
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| 15:43 | <Gadi> sorry - she actually had just called
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| 15:43 | weird
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| 15:43 | thank God, family is well
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| 15:43 | <mistik1> good say howdy for me :)
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| 15:43 | <Gadi> your teenager trumps my kindergartener, tho
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| 15:43 | :)
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| 15:43 | <mistik1> heh
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| 15:44 | she's applying to high schools now
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| 15:44 | <Gadi> tho, sometimes my kindergartener acts like he's a teenager
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| 15:44 | <mistik1> I bet
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| 15:44 | <Gadi> or an octogenarian
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| 15:44 | <mistik1> enjoy these years my friend
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| 15:45 | <stgraber> Gadi: you can't merge it with the xrandr one, I need it to be run before X and xrandr must be run after
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| 15:46 | <Gadi> stgraber: ah! you are correct, sir
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| 15:46 | mistik1: wow! applying to high school
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| 15:47 | I remember those years
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| 15:47 | better her than me
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| 15:47 | :)
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| 15:50 | <mistik1> well, we're trying our best to keep her out of the regular public schools
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| 15:50 | I hope she gets into one of the better Charter schools
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| 15:51 | <mistik1> With test scores between 80 & 100
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| 15:51 | % she should make it
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| 15:54 | <Gadi> apple doesnt fall far, does it?
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| 15:55 | the other morning, my 5 year old shows me something on the fridge...
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| 15:55 | he arranged the alphabet refrigerator magnets into a 4x5 word-find array with four words buried inside
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| 15:56 | ... or was it 5x5?
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| 15:56 | <mistik1> awesome
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| 15:56 | Its nice when they actually *like* learning
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| 15:56 | <Gadi> the 4 words were "Toby" "and" "Beni" Romm"
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| 15:56 | Toby's his friend
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| 15:56 | <mistik1> so many today are just plain lazy
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| 15:56 | <Gadi> yeah
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| 15:57 | I didnt think 5 year olds should be making puzzles that are found in second grade puzzle books :)
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| 15:57 | <mistik1> I agree
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| 15:57 | <Gadi> especially when you consider he was using fridge magnets with only one of each letter
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| 15:58 | so, he was already using a small sample set
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| 15:58 | amazing...
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| 15:58 | <mistik1> frankly the learning system is so dated in the country you have to keep your child ahead of where they say they should be
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| 15:58 | <Gadi> indeed
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| 15:59 | get him to run a company and balance the checkbook and Im going on vacation!
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| 15:59 | <mistik1> mind you my girl is in a good school and when I was telling one of her teachers the other day that I had to learn my 12 times table before ever going to school she was shocked
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| 16:00 | <Gadi> hehe
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| 16:00 | ok, we're closing up shop here.... I gotta start packing it in
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| 16:00 | great to see you around
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| 16:00 | <mistik1> when I was a kid that table was on the back of every notebook and ruler
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| 16:00 | We actually had to recite the thing
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| 16:00 | * Gadi is happy when he sees this: | |
| 16:00 | <Gadi> !seen mistik1
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| 16:00 | <ltspbot> Gadi: mistik1 was last seen in #ltsp 3 seconds ago: <mistik1> We actually had to recite the thing
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| 16:00 | <mistik1> heh
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| 16:01 | <Gadi> yeah - my folks were going thru old stuff at my grandparents and gave me a slide rule
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| 16:01 | I must admit - an abacus I would know what to do with
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| 16:01 | :)
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| 16:02 | <mistik1> indeed
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| 16:02 | <Gadi> of course, I hear "Generation Y" uses facebook to multiply by 12s
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| 16:02 | <mistik1> yea
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| 16:03 | I think the computer oddly enough has become the death of learning
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| 16:03 | Why do I need to learn it anymore I can just go google it
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| 16:03 | <Gadi> yup
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| 16:03 | ok, man
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| 16:03 | happy turkey day
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| 16:03 | don't eat anything I wouldn't!
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| 16:03 | <mistik1> God help this generation when and do note I say *when* we lose power for any period
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| 16:04 | <Gadi> oh wait, thats too restrictive no doubt
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| 16:04 | <mistik1> Gadi: Certainly not
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| 16:04 | <Gadi> eat what you want - its a holiday
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| 16:04 | :)
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| 16:04 | <mistik1> I think you would find that our diets are very close :)
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| 16:04 | <Gadi> indeed - strict diet of blue mountain coffee
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| 16:04 | :)
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| 16:04 | <mistik1> heh
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| 16:05 | <Gadi> cheers
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| 16:05 | <mistik1> I must bring you some tomatoes next year
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| 16:05 | take care bro
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| 16:05 | <alkisg> mistik1: "a flowchart app in actionscript" - is this going to be open source? I was looking to made such an app in flex, but flash in linux has a nasty bug, it doesn't allow international characters in input boxes... So I think I'll do it in some other language.
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| 16:06 | mistik1: but if you happen to have some open source code for it, I'd like to have a look if I may...
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| 16:06 | <mistik1> alkisg: sorry it wont be opensource
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| 16:06 | <alkisg> mistik1: ok, no problem
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| 16:06 | thanks
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| 16:06 | <mistik1> I have a link that can get you started though
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| 16:06 | hang on a sec
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| 16:07 | http://www.gergerconsulting.com/blog_files/flex/FlexDrawing/FlexDrawing.html
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| 16:07 | <alkisg> mistik1: I've seen some applications in flash, and I only liked a couple of commercial ones, but none could be used with international characters...
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| 16:07 | <mistik1> right click and seclect View Source
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| 16:07 | <alkisg> mistik1: thanks for the link, looking...
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| 16:18 | <metalfan_> do i put a neede "tar xf" into pre_install()?
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| 16:18 | ups, wrong channel
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| 16:23 | <metalfan_> does ltsp encrypt the nfs mounts or is the data transfered in cleartext?
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| 16:23 | <vagrantc> clear
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| 16:24 | same for NBD
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| 16:25 | <metalfan_> does nfsv4 support "root over nfs" ?
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| 16:25 | <vagrantc> possibly, although you'll still be booting insecurely over the network
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| 16:25 | <metalfan_> yes
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| 16:26 | <metalfan_> what about booting the kernel via usb?
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| 16:27 | after the initial system is up one could mount encrypted nfsv4
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| 16:28 | <vagrantc> you could boot off of usb, yes. then you have to maintain all your boot media.
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| 16:28 | <metalfan_> true
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| 16:29 | <vagrantc> and you'd have to re-write some of the other code to have an authentication mechanism
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| 16:29 | <metalfan_> but in my case its only one system, im trying to get rid of the hd
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| 16:29 | have to read about about ltsp auth
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| 16:30 | <vagrantc> well, nothing specific to LTSP ... it'd be whatever the encryption mechanism you're using uses.
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| 16:31 | <metalfan_> ah, of course
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| 16:31 | with nfsv4 that would be kerberos
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| 16:31 | which is a bit tricky, haven figured it out yet
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| 16:31 | <vagrantc> many have tried, some suceed, many fail.
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| 16:40 | <alkisg> Some thoughts for safe network booting: http://www.etherboot.org/wiki/safebootmode
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| 16:58 | <elwarreno> does ragnar ever hang out in here?
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| 16:59 | <vagrantc> alkisg: i wonder if that safebootmode thing is working with gPXE
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| 16:59 | <alkisg> vagrantc, I don't know if it's draft or if some of those were implemented as part of google code 2008
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| 17:00 | <vagrantc> but that sounds really promising
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| 17:01 | alkisg: that page was last modified in 2006
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| 17:01 | <alkisg> vagrantc, yeah, signed kernels downloaded from the network sounds good!
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| 17:02 | <alkisg> vagrantc, it shouldn't be too hard to patch gpxe to do this
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| 17:02 | <alkisg> So maybe some work has been done already
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| 17:02 | <vagrantc> i think gPXE supports https ...
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| 17:03 | as long as it actually verifies the signature somehow, that should do it
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| 17:07 | <alkisg> vagrantc, a problem would be that this verification would be gpxe dependant, so it would rule out simple pxe booting...
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| 17:08 | <vagrantc> alkisg: true, true.
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| 17:09 | guess it just supports http
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| 17:09 | either way, though, you're dependent on etherboot
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| 17:09 | <alkisg> I've used http with gpxe, it works fine
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| 20:05 | <beia_> on boot on the my ltsp server, show this message...
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| 20:05 | ERROR! Coul not automatically detect networkcard
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| 20:05 | ltsp 4.2
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| 20:06 | <petre> what kind of network card(s) do you have?
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| 20:07 | <beia_> i find solution
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| 20:07 | http://math.univ-lille1.fr/~hafidi/terminal-services/tips_and_tricks.html
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