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Channel log from 27 August 2010 (all times are UTC)
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| 00:07 | <lasersoft1> Can anyone point me in the right direction for installing an HP Laserjet P1005 USB on a thin client. I have found a lot of loose information but nothing that actually explains how to set this up. I have 8 thin clients and 3 or 4 need local printers.
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| 05:02 | <dmarkey> stgraber: have you any lxc 10.04 packages?
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| 06:48 | <lasersoft> Can anybody point me in the direction of how to setup local printers in Lucid. I have found a lot of disjointed information but nothing that actually works. I have about 8 terminals and 3 or 4 need local HP laserjet P1005 usb printers.
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| 07:20 | <NoooB> hi people
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| 07:20 | anybody can help me to one idea?
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| 07:21 | need using lts up to low link 512 kbps, (need print too) , question is, i can use LTS ?
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| 07:35 | <alkisg> Do you mean ltsp?
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| 07:36 | <NoooB> yeah
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| 07:36 | <alkisg> LTSP usually requires LAN, i.e. 100mbps or gigabit
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| 07:36 | <NoooB> omg
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| 07:37 | <alkisg> E.g. a divx video needs 50 mbps, so x20 clients ==> 1 gigabit
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| 07:38 | <NoooB> however continuous using WTS
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| 07:38 | =P
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| 07:38 | shit......
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| 07:38 | <alkisg> !language
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| 07:38 | <ltspbot> alkisg: Error: "language" is not a valid command.
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| 07:38 | <NoooB> SOORY
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| 07:38 | =]
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| 07:39 | <alkisg> NoooB: in ltsp, the clients can't decode video (normally)
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| 07:39 | They don't have any codecs etc. They're just using remote X.
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| 07:39 | Remote X == the video travels uncompressed over the network.
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| 07:39 | <NoooB> yeah yeah i know
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| 07:40 | but, compressed , not exist any beter to WINDOWS TS ?
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| 07:40 | with print solutions together
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| 07:40 | <alkisg> Windows TS is not a thin client solution
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| 07:40 | It's a remote desktop solution
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| 07:40 | I.e. the client must already have an OS in it
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| 07:41 | A good remote desktop for Linux is neatx / freenx
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| 07:41 | <NoooB> ohhhh yeah
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| 07:41 | sorry
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| 07:42 | freenx have a printing too ?
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| 07:42 | remote printing ?
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| 07:42 | <alkisg> I think so, check google for details
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| 07:42 | nx surely supports printing
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| 07:43 | <NoooB> ok thx
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| 07:43 | thanks for all
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| 07:43 | i have knowhow on firewall proxyes , content control
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| 07:43 | TS no =p
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| 07:44 | alkisg tanks very much
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| 07:44 | <alkisg> You're welcome, I hope nx suits you
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| 07:44 | (depends on what exactly do you want to do)
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| 07:47 | <NoooB> need only access aplication cliente through low link (512k) in server aplication + database
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| 07:47 | and printing remote too
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| 07:47 | identical WINDOWS TS work
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| 07:47 | same
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| 07:48 | <alkisg> From what client OS?
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| 07:49 | <NoooB> LINUX
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| 07:49 | ubuntu
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| 07:49 | <alkisg> And what server OS?
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| 07:49 | <NoooB> LINUX
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| 07:49 | =]
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| 07:49 | debian
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| 07:49 | into a ESXI
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| 07:49 | <alkisg> When you say remote printing, you mean print on the server, or on the client?
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| 07:49 | Because when you use TS, by default you are on the server so you print on the server
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| 07:50 | <NoooB> client (office, home and any other local)
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| 07:50 | <alkisg> OK. Yeah, look at nx.
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| 07:50 | <NoooB> ok tanks.. i go find it now
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| 07:51 | i use only to access my home machine (nx client)
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| 07:54 | <maslak> hi anyone here ?
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| 08:04 | <alkisg> !question
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| 08:04 | <ltspbot> alkisg: "question" :: if you have a question about ltsp, please go ahead and ask it, and people will respond if they can. please also mention the linux distro and release you're using. :)
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| 09:00 | <andrew_ubuntu> Hello. I have a few questions about LTSP on Ubuntu 9.10.
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| 09:01 | #1 How do you prevent users from seeing "system" messages. eg. I installed updates on the server and my clients were prompted to "reboot" the server.
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| 09:03 | #2 I reported a problem (a year ago?) about the clients logout menu having (shutdown, reboot, etc) options. The options are still there in the current iteration of LTSP. Is there a fix to get rid of these. They don't "do" anything but logout the user like normal, but it would be nice to streamline that menu.
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| 09:04 | #3 I decided to use Ubuntu 9.10 for my latest box because I knew it worked. How well does 10.04 work with Ubuntu? Can I upgrade my 9.10 LTSP box to 10.04, or will it BREAK a bunch of stuff?
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| 09:05 | <alkisg> About #2 ==> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-session/+bug/491940
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| 09:05 | About #3 ==> works fine for many people, but as usual, there are no guarantees that it'll work for you :)
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| 09:05 | 9.10 => 10.04 isn't a big change for ltsp. 9.04 => 9.10 is a much bigger change.
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| 09:08 | <andrew_ubuntu> Thanks alkisg! (#3) As long as there are no deal breakers (stuff that used to work w/ 9.10 that doesn't with 10.04)... that is all I'm concerned with. I haven't used 10.04 enough to know what the differences are... but my biggest complaint about 9.10 is Empathy (had to switch to Pidgin) because it doesn't do a very good job of notifying you about waiting messages. I'm hoping this is fixed in 10.04.
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| 09:09 | <alkisg> andrew_ubuntu: well, my intel graphics card worked on 9.10 and stopped working on 10.04, and I had to use a kernel from a ppa...
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| 09:09 | <andrew_ubuntu> :O
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| 09:09 | <alkisg> Regressions like that one always happen
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| 09:09 | I've yet to see a new distro version without regressions
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| 09:09 | <andrew_ubuntu> my clients all use Intel chipsets... and they work great now (even with desktop effects!).... so maybe I should do some testing first.
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| 09:10 | <alkisg> 8xx (e.g. 855) do have problems (even in 9.10), 9xx are way better
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| 09:11 | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Bugs/Lucidi8xxFreezes
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| 09:11 | <andrew_ubuntu> I can't remember off the top of my head what Intel chipset they are, but Intel "extreme" graphics come to mind... I think the 8xx and 9xx are fairly old?!
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| 09:11 | <alkisg> 8xx are quite old, but I think many netbooks use 9xx currently
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| 09:12 | <andrew_ubuntu> at any rate, that is good information to know before hand :). I would not have just frivolously upgraded them anyway, but still good to know before hand.
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| 09:14 | alkisg, do you have any idea why my clients get the "system must be rebooted" after I installed some upgrades on the server?
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| 09:15 | oh, and that is the other thing... if I insert a cd into the server, the CD icon shows up on ALL the clients desktops.
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| 09:15 | <alkisg> There's a setting in gnome to not show volumes in the desktops, that would help in the second case
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| 09:16 | <andrew_ubuntu> ok. that would work 'cause the clients don't have CD drives anyway, but would that prevent it from showing a USB stick inserted locally into a client machine?
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| 09:17 | <alkisg> Yes, the users would have to use the locations menu it that case
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| 09:19 | <andrew_ubuntu> ok.... probably not a big deal. thanks!
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| 09:20 | <dobber> hi all. i have a strange problem. I have a java application that i start with `padsp javawm launch.jnlp`, and everything was working fine until yesterdays server reboot
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| 09:20 | now, there is no sound in the application
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| 09:20 | <andrew_ubuntu> alkisg: btw, you helped me with how to VNC to the clients a week or so ago, so I wanted to say thank you for that as well.
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| 09:20 | <alkisg> You're welcome - does it work ok?
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| 09:21 | <andrew_ubuntu> (although sometimes when I VNC into a client, it breaks her keypad and she has to disconnect her kb and plug it back in ;) ).
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| 09:21 | <alkisg> Yeah I've seen that :(
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| 09:22 | I think alt+ctrl+f1 / f7 also fixes it
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| 09:22 | <andrew_ubuntu> that was another thing I was hoping might magically get fixed in 10.04 ;)
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| 09:22 | oh sweet... I'll have to try that.
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| 09:22 | <alkisg> Nah... for such small things you could just update those specific packages, but nah, not fixed yet
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| 09:24 | <andrew_ubuntu> oh well. she (i only have one user on it now, bring the other 5 on monday) LOVES it.... so these little things are minor and probably will very rarely come up.
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| 09:26 | <andrew_ubuntu> my boss wants to go with MACS and I am trying to convince him that LTSP is the way to go. His biggest concern is having a server at each branch (we have 5 in 3 states). He thinks MACs are going to save the world... ugh
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| 09:26 | <dobber> hi all. i have a strange problem. I have a remote java application that i start with `padsp javaws launch.jnlp`, and everything was working fine until yesterdays server reboot. now, there is no sound in the application
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| 09:27 | <andrew_ubuntu> I told him that me having to manage 70 MACS will be a freakin' nightmare.... plus if you want to do persistent imaging with them, you still need a SERVER ;).
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| 09:27 | <dobber> andrew_ubuntu: i'm using mac for the past month and hating it more and more
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| 09:27 | <andrew_ubuntu> :) yea!... er, sorry.
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| 09:28 | sorry I don't know java though dobber
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| 09:28 | <dobber> me too
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| 09:28 | <andrew_ubuntu> lol ;)
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| 09:28 | <dobber> also, i have sound ok. rhythm box is working properly
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| 09:29 | <andrew_ubuntu> I assume you are trying to run this java app from a client?... does it work on the server? (stoopid question, I know you probably already tried that).
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| 09:29 | <dobber> i'm running it from the server
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| 09:30 | <andrew_ubuntu> oh... that is even stranger then.
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| 09:30 | <dobber> and it was working before the crash yesterday
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| 09:31 | <andrew_ubuntu> do you have a stand-alone box you can try and run app from and test it?
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| 09:31 | <dobber> yes
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| 09:31 | <andrew_ubuntu> copy it over to that box (or if you can even do that)
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| 09:31 | <dobber> i have to install java there too
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| 09:31 | yeah allright
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| 09:31 | just a moment
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| 09:32 | <andrew_ubuntu> It seems highly unlikely that the app is corrupted since its running, but that is just strange....
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| 09:32 | <dobber> well it downloads its jars from the internet everytime it starts
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| 09:32 | so there maybe some corrupted cache someware
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| 09:32 | <andrew_ubuntu> oooh... maybe
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| 09:32 | <dobber> with java... anything is posible
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| 09:33 | <andrew_ubuntu> LOL.. .this is true
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| 09:43 | <dobber> nope, ain't working
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| 09:46 | <andrew_ubuntu> humm....
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| 09:51 | do you have a backup of that app?.... since I don't know how java works, I don't really have any other ideers.
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| 09:56 | <dobber> 5047 open("/dev/snd/controlC0", O_RDONLY|O_CLOEXEC) = -1 EACCES (Permission denied)
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| 09:56 | 5047 open("/dev/dsp", O_RDONLY|O_NONBLOCK) = -1 EACCES (Permission denied)
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| 09:57 | <andrew_ubuntu> what's the permissions on those files?
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| 09:58 | <dobber> group has permission
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| 09:58 | strange
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| 09:59 | <andrew_ubuntu> I had a similar problem like that with a usb scanner and it's device node. I don't know if you can delete and recreate those nodes or what though.
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| 10:12 | <dobber> andrew_ubuntu: btw, not to bash too hard on macs. i think linux sucks too
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| 10:12 | same goes for windows too
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| 10:13 | <andrew_ubuntu> lol... linux sux less?
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| 10:13 | they all suck to a degree ;)
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| 10:13 | <dobber> nope, just differently
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| 10:13 | <andrew_ubuntu> hahahhaahaha
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| 10:13 | <dobber> the kind that you can actually fix
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| 10:36 | <priyanksingh_> how to boot wireless clients through ltsp
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| 10:36 | ?
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| 10:37 | <andrew_ubuntu> google: ltsp wireless boot?
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| 10:37 | ;)
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| 10:37 | <Appiah> or just wirless pxe boot ?
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| 10:38 | <andrew_ubuntu> I've seen this question come up before, and I think it was possible... but I don't know off hand where to look... sorry
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| 10:38 | <dobber> i dont think there is pxe on wifi cards
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| 10:38 | <Appiah> there is not
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| 10:38 | <dobber> !docs
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| 10:38 | <ltspbot> dobber: "docs" :: For the most current documentation, see https://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/ltsp/index.php?title=Ltsp_LtspDocumentationUpstream
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| 10:38 | <priyanksingh_> actually i had done that.. but i cant understand that my router has WEP encryption enabled and password enabled
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| 10:38 | <dobber> !wireless
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| 10:38 | <ltspbot> dobber: "wireless" :: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/WirelessLtsp
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| 10:39 | <priyanksingh_> page http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/WirelessLtsp is broken
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| 10:39 | <andrew_ubuntu> ltsp.org down!?
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| 10:40 | <andrew_ubuntu> An error has been encountered in accessing this page.
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| 10:40 | <dobber> why dont you google a mirror
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| 10:40 | <andrew_ubuntu> http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/ltsp/index.php?title=Ltsp_WirelessLtsp
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| 10:40 | that link works
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| 10:41 | but I don't think it relates to ltsp5?!....
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| 10:42 | <priyanksingh_> you will just need to install the kernel modules in the right place. ?? WHat does this text measn??
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| 10:46 | http://sourceforge.net/projects/ltsp/files/LTSP-3.0/LTSP-3.0%20-%20Wireless/
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| 10:52 | <priyanksingh_> can i make its pendrive bootable according to the given steps in readme??..
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| 11:37 | <alkisg> priyanksingh_: you can put a kernel + your wireless card modules + some scripts to take care of any encryption setttings to a stick, but it's not straightforward, you'd need some skills to go through all this. Are you sure you want to boot ltsp through wireless though? Maybe you're just looking for some remote desktop solution?
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| 11:52 | <grantk> Hello, Im back today with some more cluster problem if anyone has the time. I was having some issues the other day, gadi helped me find the fact that my getltscfg-clustter.conf was not there, so I made one, yet I still get no app server assigned on boot. Running Ubuntu 10.04 for both app server and master. If I log on on my test client I do get a terminal for the master.
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| 11:53 | http://ltsp.pastebin.com/UyvPcgGg the getltscfg-cluster.conf and my lbsconfig.xml http://ltsp.pastebin.com/QQSPw710
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| 11:56 | I thought since there was a group named "karmic" in the lbsconfig.xml that I would see a karmic group or node? on the control center but I only have the rootnode
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| 12:44 | <justamonkey> I am right now trying to install ltsp on a brand new lucid amd64 server. I've built the client system with the --arch i386 flag and it's fine. dhcp sees the client and is happy that it's legitimate, but the client's pxe says it can't find the files; it's that damn tftp-hpa. Anyone know what is broken this time? Thx.
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| 13:45 | <andrew_ubuntu> justamonkey: I am setting up a testing 10.04 amd64 LTSP as we speak... it's finishing up the building the i386 image... I'll let you know in a moment if it boots.
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| 13:46 | (something makes me think I had the exact same problem with 9.10 and I had totally reconfigure my dhcpd.conf file)
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| 13:48 | <alkisg> He left :)
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| 13:48 | <andrew_ubuntu> oh... lol.... maybe he'll read the logs ;)
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| 13:49 | btw, what is the URL where you can find the logs for #ltsp?... I had it at some point, but it's probably burried in my 1000+ bookmarks
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| 13:51 | http://www.nubae.com/logs/
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| 13:51 | found it ;)
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| 13:52 | <alkisg> It's on the channel topic, above
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| 13:53 | <andrew_ubuntu> ha!... I don't read very well. ;)
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| 13:54 | <alkisg> Installing ltsp can do that to people :D
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| 13:54 | <andrew_ubuntu> hahahha... rtfircchanneltopic
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| 13:54 | <denisesball> hey alkisg: you still have that 128mb RAM VM client?
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| 13:54 | <alkisg> Yup
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| 13:55 | <denisesball> http://www.fark.com/cgi/go.pl?i=5581050&l=http://www.myfoxdc.com/dpp/news/british-tourist-jailed-for-58-days-in-iran-over-sunrise-photo-082710
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| 13:55 | does that site epically destroy it?
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| 13:55 | <alkisg> I
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| 13:56 | I'd have to boot it to see... maybe later on
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| 13:58 | <denisesball> it completely freezes my terms
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| 13:58 | <alkisg> Did you try with chrome?
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| 13:58 | <andrew_ubuntu> sux to be that dude
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| 13:58 | <vagrantc> alkisg: so, i just tested my DNS from DHCP in initramfs patch ... seems to add an entry to resolv.conf for: nameserver 0.0.0.0
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| 13:58 | <alkisg> Ouch
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| 13:58 | <vagrantc> any idea if that'll be a problem?
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| 13:58 | easy enough to fix, really.
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| 13:58 | <denisesball> alkisg: yep, the whole term freezes
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| 13:59 | <alkisg> denisesball: with chrome? that's weird, it shouldn't
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| 13:59 | Maybe a flash problem then
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| 13:59 | <vagrantc> alkisg: or rather, if only *one* dns server is specified via DHCP ... it seems to set the second server to 0.0.0.0
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| 13:59 | <denisesball> i even have flashblock enabled
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| 13:59 | <alkisg> vagrantc: do you have a net-eth0.conf handy?
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| 14:00 | <vagrantc> alkisg: i'll have to reboot with an appropriate break
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| 14:00 | <alkisg> vagrantc: ah, never mind, I have one
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| 14:00 | <vagrantc> alkisg: what's the latest breakpoint before it chroots?
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| 14:01 | <alkisg> http://pastebin.com/V70fHEMT
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| 14:01 | IPV4DNS1=0.0.0.0
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| 14:01 | ipconfig puts it there.... (my udhcp script doesn't, when it's empty :D)
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| 14:01 | So we should special-case that, I guess
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| 14:01 | <vagrantc> it's really a problem?
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| 14:01 | <alkisg> No idea
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| 14:01 | <vagrantc> heh
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| 14:02 | <alkisg> dig @0.0.0.0 www.google.com works though :D
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| 14:02 | <vagrantc> i guess if no servers get specified... you'll probably end up with two 0.0.0.0 nameservers...
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| 14:03 | host google.com 0.0.0.0 doesn't...
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| 14:05 | <alkisg> What should normally happen if no DNS is set in dhcp / lts.conf?
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| 14:05 | Would the resolv.conf already in the chroot be used?
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| 14:05 | <vagrantc> think so
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| 14:05 | seems resonable.
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| 14:06 | * vagrantc wonders if there's any possible valid use case for setting 0.0.0.0 as a nameserver... | |
| 14:07 | <alkisg> So now it would be overwritten with two 0.0.0.0 nameservers. Maybe we should special-case that 0.0.0.0 then for ipconfig...
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| 14:07 | <vagrantc> i've got a three line patch to handle the 0.0.0.0 case...
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| 14:07 | 4 with comment :)
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| 14:09 | <ma_mu> how can i start LDM on the second seat on a multiseat terminal?
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| 14:10 | <alkisg> vagrantc: http://wiki.apache.org/spamassassin/CachingNameserver ==> search for 0.0.0.0
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| 14:10 | ma_mu: how did you get multiseat working? and on which distro/version?
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| 14:11 | <vagrantc> so it is valid?
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| 14:11 | <ma_mu> kubuntu 10.4 created xorg.conf.multiseat on a local hdd and copied to ltsp chroot
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| 14:11 | now ive got on screen one ldm login and on screen to the boosplash
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| 14:12 | <alkisg> vagrantc: sorry, no dns expert here, but if I'm reading this correctly, then yeah, it sounds valid... I still think that we shouldn't overwrite resolv.conf when we only have 0.0.0.0 nameservers though
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| 14:12 | <vagrantc> tricky, tricky.
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| 14:15 | <alkisg> ma_mu: but what how-to did you follow to get multiseat? (it doesn't work out of the box with kubuntu, does it?)
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| 14:16 | <ma_mu> i followed this instuctions https://wikibs.informatik.htw-dresden.de/swiki/index.php/Multiseat_X
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| 14:17 | locally on the hdd it works ive got two kde login screens, can login and so on
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| 14:17 | got two radeon cards and fglrx
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| 14:17 | installed
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| 14:19 | <alkisg> Thank you for the link, the last working multiseat how-to I've seen was for 8.04...
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| 14:19 | <vagrantc> alkisg: what do you think about this ... ignore 0.0.0.0 specified via dhcp ... but allow to specify it in lts.conf ?
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| 14:20 | <alkisg> vagrantc: is it easy to get a net-eth0.conf with no dns server in dhcp?
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| 14:20 | Maybe DNS_SERVER there will be empty
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| 14:20 | In that case, we can just ignore IPV4DNS1=0.0.0.0
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| 14:20 | (and IPV4DNS0=0.0.0.0)
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| 14:21 | <vagrantc> yeah, that's basically what i'm working on...
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| 14:21 | <ma_mu> now i dont know how i could startx LDM on the second seat in LTSP
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| 14:21 | <vagrantc> don't bother adding 0.0.0.0 to DNS_SERVER if DNS_SERVER is empty.
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| 14:21 | <alkisg> (in that case, I guess if the admin defines DNS_SERVER=0.0.0.0, then he really wants that)
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| 14:22 | <vagrantc> http://ltsp.pastebin.com/3WV6F20b
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| 14:22 | if the admin explicitly specifies it via dhcp ... well ... bah.
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| 14:22 | we can only support so much craziness.
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| 14:22 | <alkisg> Heh, right. It looks good to me
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| 14:25 | <ma_mu> opened ltsp-local-apps xterm
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| 14:25 | and now looking for something like this: startx -- -layout Layout1 -config xorg.conf.multiseat
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| 14:26 | <vagrantc> startx? hrm.
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| 14:30 | <ma_mu> with this i tested multiseat locally
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| 14:32 | <alkisg> vagrantc: aaahhh now I got it, 0.0.0.0 will only be useful if the admin has set up a dns server on the chroot ==> running on every client. Freaky.
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| 14:34 | <vagrantc> right
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| 14:59 | <Gadi> ma_mu: my guess would be that ldm uses DISPLAY=:7 and you need to make one ldm use DISPLAY=:7.0 and another DISPLAY=:7.1
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| 15:01 | <mistik1> Gadiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii
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| 15:02 | <Gadi> mistik1: !!!!
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| 15:02 | how the hell have you been?
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| 15:02 | <mistik1> so so
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| 15:02 | been bloody hard for a while
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| 15:02 | <Gadi> yeah, that's going around
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| 15:02 | :)
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| 15:02 | <mistik1> getting better
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| 15:02 | <Gadi> that's good
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| 15:02 | you still in the land of blue coffee?
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| 15:03 | <mistik1> yup
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| 15:03 | <Gadi> sweet
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| 15:03 | build me a house yet? ;)
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| 15:03 | <ma_mu> can i try this on a ltsp-localapps xterm with ./ldm -Display:7.1
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| 15:03 | <mistik1> too bad I dont drink it anymore
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| 15:03 | Gadi: heh
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| 15:05 | <mistik1> Gadi: So how's the wife and young`uns
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| 15:06 | <Gadi> ma_mu: ldm is executed with: xinit $xinitrc /usr/sbin/ldm -- ${DISPLAY} vt${TTY} -auth ${XAUTHORITY} ${X_ARGS
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| 15:06 | } -br >/dev/null 2>&1
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| 15:06 | ma_mu: so, I suppose you can try DISPLAY=:7.1 /usr/sbin/ldm
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| 15:06 | tho, it is executed as root
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| 15:07 | mistik1: thank God, all are well
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| 15:08 | <mistik1> Gadi: good
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| 15:09 | <ma_mu> gtk-warning cannot open display: :7.1
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| 15:09 | <mistik1> bbl
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| 15:09 | <bengoa> hi all ... Is it possible to access/control a LTSP Client via VNC/NX or using another tool?
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| 15:09 | <Gadi> ma_mu: echo $DISPLAY
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| 15:10 | <ma_mu> :7.0
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| 15:10 | <Gadi> bengoa: many folks use italc, which is vnc based - you have to install in the chroot. Otherwise, some folks cobble together something with x11vnc in the chroot
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| 15:11 | ma_mu: sounds like you do not have permission to open that display
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| 15:11 | ma_mu: can you get a shell on the client?
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| 15:11 | ma_mu: or ssh into it?
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| 15:12 | <ma_mu> i started ltsp-localapps xterm and logged in as root
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| 15:12 | <ma_mu> im on root@ltsp20:/
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| 15:12 | <Gadi> ma_mu: ah - set XAUTHORITY=/var/run/ldm-.....
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| 15:13 | <ma_mu> what?
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| 15:14 | <Gadi> the Xauthority fils is stored in a file: /var/run/ldm-xauth.....
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| 15:14 | where ..... = something
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| 15:14 | :)
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| 15:14 | <alkisg> bengoa: with vnc or italc. NX would require installing the nx server to the chroot, no reason to do that, better install it on the server
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| 15:14 | (that would give you nx access to the server, not the client)
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| 15:15 | (ah sorry Gadi had already answered that)
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| 15:17 | <ma_mu> there is ldm-xauth-FH6ck7qLB/Xauthority
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| 15:17 | <Gadi> ma_mu: ah, that's the one
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| 15:17 | I guess at some point we started using directories
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| 15:18 | <bengoa> alkisg, but I need to install VNC/italc on the LTSP chroot? Or it is installed by default?
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| 15:20 | <ma_mu> ...ltsp20..7..MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1..*A.(........>]md..........7..MIT...
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| 15:21 | <Gadi> ma_mu: export XAUTHORITY=/var/run/ldm-xauth-FH6ck7qLB/Xauthority
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| 15:21 | ma_mu: DISPLAY=:7.1 /usr/sbin/ldm
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| 15:24 | <alkisg> bengoa: you need to install it on the chroot
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| 15:25 | italc can work without installing it to the chrooot too
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| 15:25 | Or vino-server can also work without installation
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| 15:25 | (the gnome remote desktop server)
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| 15:26 | Here's an old wiki page with the two methods of italc installation: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/iTalc
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| 15:26 | <ma_mu> Gadi: I mailed this problem in [Ltsp-discuss] can you mail me some tipps or a howto about multiseat xterminal
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| 15:26 | <Gadi> ma_mu: I have never done it
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| 15:26 | I replied to your post, btw
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| 15:26 | :)
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| 15:26 | so, I remember it
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| 15:26 | and yet, I am of little use
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| 15:27 | other than to tell you the problem lies in the screens
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| 15:30 | <ma_mu> i found your mail
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| 15:35 | <bernardo0cd0> When i open the VirtualBox manager inside of a LTSP terminal, the program crash and the session ends, asking password again. Someone may have a thought on why?
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| 15:36 | <ma_mu> Gadi: you could mail me some tipps and i mail back error messages
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| 15:42 | <bengoa> alkisg, very thanks. I'll try it
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| 15:48 | <Appiah> VirtualBox manager inside a terminal O_o
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| 15:48 | well , run strace and check /var/log/messages whats going on
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| 15:52 | <bernardo0cd0> Appiah, why this isn't a good idea? that way i can run windows apps on ltsp... (i'm checking those logs)
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| 15:54 | <vagrantc> hmmmm... isc-dhcp-server defaults to specifying the dhcp server if no "option domain-name-servers x.x.x.x;" is specified...
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| 15:57 | <alkisg> bernardo0cd0: why don't you just use the rdp feature of vbox to access the server vbox?
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| 15:57 | vagrantc: so it tells the clients that you have a dns server in your ltsp server even if you don't?!
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| 15:58 | <vagrantc> alkisg: appears to be the case ...
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| 15:58 | <alkisg> Sounds like a bug to me
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| 15:58 | <vagrantc> i would say so.
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| 16:07 | <Appiah> like alkisg said
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| 16:07 | <alkisg> vagrantc: if a user has amd64 server / i386 chroot, ltsp-chroot fails if the user doesn't specify --arch i386. Would it be sensible to default to "the chroot, if it's only one, or to the server arch, if there are many"?
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| 16:07 | <Appiah> there are better solutions if you want to run a windows desktop..
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| 16:08 | <vagrantc> alkisg: seems a mostly reasonable default ...
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| 16:08 | <alkisg> Nice, I'll try to do that.
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| 16:08 | * vagrantc wonders if it's the dhcp server that's specifying the DNS default or ipconfig | |
| 16:09 | <alkisg> Try with dhclient or udhcpc...
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| 16:09 | ...or gpxe
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| 16:10 | (ctrl+b, dhcp net0, config)
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| 16:11 | <vagrantc> gPXE agrees with ipconfig
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| 16:12 | hrm... or not
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| 16:24 | <bernardo0cd0> Appiah, what solution, for example? I'm kind of lost and could only thought in VirtualBox...
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| 16:29 | <vagrantc> ok, it's ipconfig
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| 16:29 | although both gpxe and ipconfig refuse to use nameservers if not specified by ip address
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| 16:37 | <vagrantc> ok, ipconfig is stupid.
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| 16:53 | <alkisg> bernardo0cd0: you can run virtualbox on the server, instead of on the clients. How much RAM do your clients have? And, will you be using a windows server version, or multiple home versions?
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| 16:53 | I mean, and connect to the server vbox with the embedded rdp feature
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| 16:54 | (12:30:09 πμ) vagrantc: although both gpxe and ipconfig refuse to use nameservers if not specified by ip address ==> that sounds normal, they wouldn't know how to resolve their names...
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| 16:55 | <bernardo0cd0> the original idea was: "run multiple xp home on server, being powered on demand, and the VBMangar would provide the desktop, by LTSP"
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| 16:55 | *VBoxManager
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| 16:56 | <vagrantc> alkisg: it's possible to have your nameserver's specified in /etc/hosts ...
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| 16:56 | <Appiah> why not a terminal server?
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| 16:56 | <alkisg> vagrantc: ah, right
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| 16:56 | <bernardo0cd0> but now i'm trying to simplify, i will install server 2003 on a virtualbox and provide rdp sessions managed by windows itself
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| 16:56 | <vagrantc> it's kind of odd that dhcpd.conf would have a default nameserver that woudln't work
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| 16:57 | <alkisg> bernardo0cd0: you can also have a separate SCREEN_08=rdesktop, users that want to work on windows could switch to it with alt+ctrl+f8
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| 16:58 | <bernardo0cd0> hmm, interesting! but that way, how works the auth?
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| 17:00 | <alkisg> The users authenticate on the windows server...
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| 17:02 | <bernardo0cd0> ah, the auth occurs after desktop display?
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| 17:04 | <alkisg> No, with rdesktop, a windows login screen is presented where the users enter their windows account credentials
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| 17:07 | <bernardo0cd0> got it, and where i specify the address? just after rdesktop, like SCREEN_08=rdesktop adress:port?
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| 17:07 | <alkisg> !lts.conf
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| 17:07 | <ltspbot> alkisg: "lts.conf" :: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/lts.conf
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| 17:07 | <alkisg> !docs
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| 17:07 | <ltspbot> alkisg: "docs" :: For the most current documentation, see https://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/ltsp/index.php?title=Ltsp_LtspDocumentationUpstream
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| 17:07 | <alkisg> All the necessary info there ^^^ :)
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| 17:08 | <bernardo0cd0> thank you :D
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| 17:15 | another thing, ts=rdp?
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| 17:40 | <alkisg> In assignments like `a=$b`, I don't need to quote b (a="$b"), right?
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| 17:40 | (even if b contains spaces or wildcards....?)
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| 17:41 | <alkisg> Ooops wrong channel :D
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| 18:00 | <alkisg> dgroos: can you try a new version of ltsp-chroot? Just download it and run ltsp-chroot, it should work now without specifying --arch i386...
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| 18:00 | http://pastebin.com/pLvQRBrC
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| 18:00 | vagrantc: would you mind having a look too? diff: http://pastebin.com/EKAz4fyr
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| 18:13 | <Kyle____2> hey
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| 18:15 | after addong a bunch of users with the crypted password on the command line, i can ssh to the server, and they allwork, but none of them can log into the clients!
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| 18:17 | <vagrantc> how are they trying to log into the clients? through the graphical login?
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| 18:17 | <Kyle____2> any ideas? (and sorry for my typos, ircing from my phone)
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| 18:18 | graphical. they arw tgick clints, if that makes a difference
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| 18:18 | thick
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| 18:19 | <vagrantc> users in the fuse group?
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| 18:19 | !release
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| 18:19 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: "release" :: please mention the linux distro and release you're using :)
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| 18:20 | <Kyle____2> i dont think they are....i didnt add my user to that groyp...i think. it worked before
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| 18:20 | ah yes, and ubntu
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| 18:20 | <vagrantc> well, typically, unless you've configured them otherwise, they use sshfs to mount the user's home directory, which uses fuse...
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| 18:21 | that is, the FATCLIENT support in LTSP ...
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| 18:22 | <Kyle____2> ok. ill check that. i actually want it to not use sshfs, but ot still does. thats a fix for another time though.
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| 18:22 | <vagrantc> if you're using GDM or KDM or something other than LDM ... could be anything.
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| 18:22 | there's NFS_HOME, to use homedirs on NFS ...
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| 18:22 | <Kyle____2> using ldm
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| 18:24 | im actually planning/trying to use gluster, so want it to more or less use the mount i configure.
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| 18:26 | the encrupted passwords genetated by openssl...they looked shorter yhan the ones i usually see in/etc/shadow
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| 18:26 | does ldm read that directly?
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| 18:27 | maybe thats it....because those usernames/passwords work via ssh..
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| 18:27 | <vagrantc> ldm is essentially a fancy frontend to "ssh -X"
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| 18:27 | <Kyle____2> oh. humm
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| 18:28 | <alkisg> Kyle____2: can other users log in? Check which groups they're in, and put your new users to those groups too. adduser --add_extra_groups helps with user creation...
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| 18:28 | <Kyle____2> confusing
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| 18:29 | <alkisg> Do you see any error messages when ldm fails?
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| 18:29 | <Kyle____2> nope. my user worked untill i added those
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| 18:29 | now it doesnt either. admittedly i added 216 users in a group
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| 18:30 | err, in onw gk rather.
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| 18:30 | <alkisg> How long is that line? Maybe there's a size limit?
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| 18:30 | <Kyle____2> go not gk
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| 18:30 | which line
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| 18:31 | <alkisg> I was talking about the group line in /etc/group, but you didn't add them to any groups, so nah, nevermind
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| 18:31 | <Kyle____2> it was a simple shell script. added each user, then each group, then the useres to the group
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| 18:31 | <alkisg> Check ldm.log on the client and maybe auth.log on the server
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| 18:31 | <Kyle____2> there are
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| 18:32 | he limit in trqditional unix is 100 groups. dunno qbout modern linucies
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| 18:32 | ok.
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| 18:32 | <alkisg> No I meant some bash string limit in ldm group handling
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| 18:33 | (it tries to parse /etc/passwd and group to "transfer" the account locally for localapps)
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| 18:34 | <vagrantc> Kyle____2: you have a desktop environment installed in the chroot?
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| 18:34 | <Kyle____2> yes
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| 18:34 | <vagrantc> maybe pastebot your lts.conf
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| 18:34 | !pastebot
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| 18:34 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: "pastebot" :: The LTSP pastebot is at http://ltsp.pastebin.com. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. Don't forget to paste the URL of the text here.
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| 18:34 | <Kyle____2> holdon, trying to get to it.
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| 18:35 | tou can irc from your phone from the train pretty easy. ssh is harder: )
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| 18:35 | <vagrantc> gotta run ... good luck!
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| 18:35 | <alkisg> android?
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| 18:37 | <Kyle____2> yup. samsung captivate. or at&t's version theirof
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| 18:38 | galaxy s
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| 18:43 | auth.log is disturbingly empty...
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| 18:44 | <Kyle____2> prettymuch
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| 18:47 | <Kyle____2> maybe i should give up for the night.
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| 21:38 | <nutron> Hrrm, ok I Have a machine which kernel panics on boot, the kernel message is simple "try noapic"... well ... how is that done for a client using ltsp?
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