IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 18 December 2015 (all times are UTC)
| 00:02 | <vagrantc> work_alkisg: i'll get to testing the xorg.conf thing, really i will.
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| 02:47 | <huafu> is there a way to force the hostname of LTSP clients based on their MAC? I am trying with various options in dnsmasq without success :(
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| 04:18 | <alkisg> vagrantc, no worries :)
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| 04:18 | huafu: put HOSTNAME=xxx in lts.conf
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| 04:19 | <huafu> yeah sorry forgot to update here, found out that on the web, also it says it's fixed (missing from doc) but maybe it is not deployed
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| 04:19 | thanks alkisg
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| 04:19 | <alkisg> If you're using the greek schools ppa, it's surely deployed :)
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| 04:20 | I have the ltsp trunk version there, the latest code
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| 04:20 | <huafu> alkisg, I am now writing my own bare simple cyber cafe management system, couldn't find any out there fiting my needs and/or free of bugs
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| 04:20 | alkisg, I meant, the fact that it is missing from the docs
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| 04:20 | alkisg, it does work, but it is not in the doc of lts.conf
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| 04:21 | <alkisg> management system, as in how much time each client is logged in, how much will they pay etc?
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| 04:22 | Ah sure I don't care much about the docs as no users contribute there
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| 04:22 | :)
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| 04:22 | <huafu> alkisg, yep, but I am basically going to add some features to epoptes I guess
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| 04:22 | btw, what epoptes is coded in?
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| 04:22 | <alkisg> python and shell again :)
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| 04:23 | <huafu> ah then I should fork it instead of re-writing from scratch, but I do not know much about writing interfaces
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| 04:23 | what IDE are you using/advising to use for epoptes?
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| 04:24 | <alkisg> Personally I'm using gedit so i'm not the correct person to ask :)
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| 04:24 | I'm mostly developing the shell part of epoptes
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| 04:24 | I haven't seen any good linux ides, like delphi or visual studio from my windows days
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| 04:25 | <huafu> (btw, I removed my own crappy xsession and rewrote the feature with a very simple script in ldm/rc.d, rsyncing, was way simpler than my crappy script and better since I do not need to update the image to sync hehe
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| 04:25 | alkisg, PyCharm is very nice
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| 04:25 | but not free :/
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| 04:25 | <alkisg> ...even the one I wrote myself for some greek programming language is much better than anything I've found for linux :D
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| 04:26 | Can you watch the variable values, the local variables etc with pycharm, while stepping into the execution of the program?
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| 04:27 | Can you set a breakpoint in the source code?
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| 04:27 | <huafu> I do not remember but I am pretty sure yes
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| 04:27 | <alkisg> I would be surprised to see that
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| 04:27 | <huafu> https://www.jetbrains.com/pycharm/
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| 04:28 | alkisg, yes you can, look at the video on the link I gave you
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| 04:28 | <alkisg> is pycharm free for personal use etc?
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| 04:28 | <huafu> around 2:00
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| 04:29 | alkisg, nope but you can get some open source free license
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| 04:31 | <alkisg> That sounds nice. so, I assume it also supports compiling whole projects with a key like F9 and then it stops at the file/line of the first syntax error etc?
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| 04:32 | <huafu> yup
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| 04:33 | <alkisg> Cool, I'll try it the next time I'll write things in python (or .c, I think they also have an editor for .c apps)
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| 04:33 | <huafu> you definitly should look at the video, jetbrains has very powerfull ide. I am personally using websotrm a lot, and can't get out of it. If I am on a machine where it is not I can divide the time needed to work by 2 for sure lol
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| 04:33 | <alkisg> I bet they don't have a shell editor :P :D
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| 04:33 | <huafu> they do have plugins to highlight bash script anyway, which you can install in any of their ide I believe
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| 04:34 | <alkisg> I meant with breakpoints and step by step execution, but yeah no shell coder expects that
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| 04:36 | <huafu> haha
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| 04:36 | ttyl, need a logout
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| 04:37 | hmmm, I guess I need more than a logout, the only window remaining is the hexchat's one and I can't do anything, there is no window decorator anymore lol
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| 04:45 | <huafu> alkisg, wait there is a community edition
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| 04:45 | so no need to ask for a license, i am going to test it - are the sources of epoptes on github?
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| 04:48 | found them nevermind
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| 04:51 | btw, should I fork as a new tool or plan on future integration in epoptes core? sounds like different software even if the core will be EXACTLY the same, just adding features
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| 04:53 | <alkisg> If you think you can find a point to cleanly separate the upstream code from your code, it's possible that we can use a common "epoptes-core" base...
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| 04:53 | E.g. if you see that you can add plugins functionality, and implement the cafe as a plugin, then sure why not
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| 05:01 | <huafu> alkisg, now I need my features quickly, so while I'll definitely try to keep it clean code-wise, I am not going to add plugin feature now
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| 05:01 | anyway, I do not know bzr at all, _in the case_ I would work with git, I'd create a branch first of anything. Would that be the case with bzr?
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| 05:03 | also I have something like 10 hours of coding in Pythin behind me lol, but it's ok I've already learned and used some languages pretty fast
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| 05:05 | haha pycharm has a bzr and launchpad plugins
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| 05:26 | <alkisg> Yes bzr is very similar to git
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| 05:39 | <huafu> alkisg, who should I talk with in case I have questions about epoptes python part?
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| 05:53 | <alkisg> huafu: Phantomas, but note that here in #ltsp we've had 10's of people coming here, asking for help to join the project, then having us spend months in helping them, only to do their job and then disappear
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| 05:53 | That takes a toll in the time we're willing to spend helping new devs...
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| 05:55 | <huafu> alkisg, yeah I understand, it's just in case and I am not asking to integrate any changes for now, it's more like if I can't find anywhere in the code some info about a variable - when it's about bash and sysadmin I am kinda lost, but when it's about coding I know how to search, where to go, etc... ;-)
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| 05:56 | in the case I am happy of the result and think it could be useful for others then I might contact you or him and ask you for looking at it and tell me what you think, if I should PR or just create a new soft, fork of epoptes
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| 06:55 | <alkisg> Wow vinagre+vino on gigabit network == 1 frame per second!
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| 07:03 | * gehidore knows not what that is | |
| 07:03 | <alkisg> The default vnc server and viewer of gnome
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| 07:03 | <gehidore> ugh I really need to update postfix to use the letsencrypt cert but I'm not in the mood
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| 07:04 | <alkisg> Back to x11vnc + xvnc4viewer, they perform waaaay better
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| 07:04 | even over ssh for encryption
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| 07:05 | <Guest67350> tassosel to alkisg-PLHNET ioa: Καλημέρα! Πότε ευκαιρείς να ρωτήσω δυο πληροφορίες;
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| 07:05 | <alkisg> Guest67350: καλημέρα Τάσο, εδώ τώρα που πληκτρολογείς, γράψε τα παρακάτω, για να μπεις στο ελληνικό κανάλι: /join #ts.sch.gr
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| 07:05 | <Guest67350> join #ts.sch.gr
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| 07:06 | <alkisg> Και με το / στην αρχή
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| 07:20 | <huafu> alkisg, http://ibin.co/2QLdeUC8OF9T
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| 07:21 | <alkisg> huafu: excellent!
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| 07:21 | I'll ping Phantomas about it
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| 07:21 | <huafu> ok now I am ready to start hacking epoptes hehe, already read a bit the source and structure, I guess I'll get more while hacking small shit first hehehe
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| 07:22 | <alkisg> For anything that you see that is upstreamable, do file a bug report + merge request about it in launchpad
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| 07:22 | Giving contributions is the best way to give + get help from the devs
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| 07:23 | <huafu> yup of course, lemme get into it first hehe
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| 07:23 | btw starting the debug session was as simple as right clicking on bin/epoptes and 'Debug', then for the first time I had to select python version but that was all
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| 07:24 | you can also attach to an existing process
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| 07:25 | <gehidore> what the fuck is epoptes
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| 07:25 | <alkisg> !epoptes
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| 07:25 | <ltsp`> epoptes: Epoptes is a computer lab administration and monitoring tool. It works on Ubuntu and Debian based labs with LTSP or non-LTSP servers, thin and fat clients, standalone workstations, NX clients etc. More info: http://www.epoptes.org
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| 07:25 | <gehidore> I keep seeing people use that in a "that's awesome" or "it's the bees knees" sort of way
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| 07:26 | <huafu> hahahaha
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| 07:26 | <alkisg> bees knees? haha never heard of that expression!
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| 07:27 | <huafu> me neither but my english is far from fluent
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| 07:30 | <gehidore> it's an american expression I think from the 60's
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| 07:31 | internet seems to think it goes back to 1700's but more likely is 1920's US of A
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| 07:32 | <huafu> we are in 2558 here ;-)
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| 07:34 | <gehidore> heh
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| 07:35 | <alkisg> gehidore: how common is "what the fuck" and similar phrases? For example, if a student mentions that in a classroom, will he get yelled at by his teacher?
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| 07:37 | <gehidore> alkisg: very likely in trouble if not booted from class, venture down under though and it's tought as common phrase
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| 07:37 | taught even
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| 07:37 | so please, forgive my outburst :|
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| 07:38 | <alkisg> haha no worries I don't think there are kids in #ltsp :D
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| 07:38 | <gehidore> heh had I not cleared it my 3.5 year old was just spamming another channel and had managed to switch here
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| 07:39 | <alkisg> :)
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| 08:01 | <huafu> OMG alkisg I looked at what you told me to re-investigate into one user per computer... as you said there are some abs paths in there... I was not expecting that much in an empty user (just logged in and out): sudo grep '/home/bnh-term' -R /home/bnh-term | wc -l => 55
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| 08:02 | <alkisg> Yup it's sad :)
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| 08:02 | Linux should try to sell "~" more
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| 08:02 | I.e. that the user home would be accessible "only" with ~ in front of it
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| 08:02 | Maybe the gnome open/save dialogs could automatically convert absolute paths to relative ones etc
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| 08:19 | <huafu> alkisg, they actually ask you if you want to rename you music, videos, documents, etc... folders on a login after changing the language from last session
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| 08:20 | I think I am going to make a __TMPL__ user, make the internet cafe prepaid tickets codes being exactly the same character size, and do a sed s/__TMPL__/the_ticket_number/g on the whole home directory even for binary files haha
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| 08:22 | there should be no issue doing this, except if some onfig files are gzipped lol
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| 08:22 | I need a quick solution to open my internet cafe ASAP, then I can have time to work on epoptes hehe
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| 08:22 | <alkisg> huafu: they ask you to rename xdg dirs, yes, but they don't automatically update the settings paths
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| 08:23 | <huafu> alkisg, I did not know but I was not expecting much lol
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| 08:24 | <alkisg> sedding through binary files with the same dir length is definately hacky but it should probably work, yup
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| 08:24 | <huafu> yeah it's the fastest, but uglies solution :D
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| 08:25 | ah no, it's not possible to login from ldm with a no password user :/
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| 08:29 | <alkisg> Yup LDM should just chat between the client text box and the ssh server, allowing for all those things,
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| 08:29 | no password users, change of passwords etc etc
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| 08:31 | <huafu> alkisg, I don't understand, where is this setupable? (is that a word? lol)
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| 08:31 | <alkisg> It's not, LDM should be fixed to support all that, but noone is working on LDM nowadays
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| 08:31 | <huafu> ah ok
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| 10:18 | <vanitas> work_alkisg: Καλησπέρα , το πρόβλημα συνεχίζεται, να το δουμε κάποια στιγμη
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| 10:52 | <xdrazen> hi
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| 11:10 | <phaer> Hi, i tried to build a second chroot with an alternative BASE and all, that worked well. But know NFS for my original chroot seems to mount as read-only, so that can't start ldm...
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| 11:11 | ...the last fatal error is that it can't write to /etc/hosts from /usr/share/ltsp/screen.d/ldm:93. We are still using ltsp 5.2.4 (debian squeeze) at the moment.
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| 11:12 | Any hints on debugging this?
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| 11:17 | I booted the client image in single user mode. There are an rootfs *and* my nfs share mounted on /, both as rw according to mount, but it still says "read only file system" if i try to write anything
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| 11:44 | <alkisg> phaer: distro/version?
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| 11:44 | Also, nfs isn't well supported any more as a base, with overlayfs now upstream in the kernel, not supporting nfs as lowerdir
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| 11:44 | <phaer> alkisg: debian squeeze, ltsp 5.2.4
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| 11:44 | <alkisg> oh, ok, that's very old, it should support nfs
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| 11:45 | <phaer> alkisg: Yes, thats very old. The upgrade is planned for january, but i still need to get it running until then
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| 11:45 | <alkisg> Normally nfs is mounted read only, and then aufs on top of it to make a temp writeable file system in the client ram
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| 11:45 | Before aufs, ltsp was using bind-mounts, I hope your ltsp version isn't *that* old... :)
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| 11:45 | What is the kernel command line that you are passing to those 2 chroots?
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| 11:46 | I.e. the APPEND line from pxelinux.cfg/default
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| 11:46 | <phaer> append ro initrd=initrd.img quiet root=/dev/nfs ip=dhcp boot=nfs single
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| 11:47 | <alkisg> OK, also, check your chroot, does it have $CHROOT/sbin/init-ltsp ?
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| 11:47 | <phaer> alkisg: Thanks for the support, i inherited that ltsp system
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| 11:48 | no, it does not
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| 11:48 | <alkisg> So the chroot is older than the new boot method of "init-ltsp"
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| 11:49 | The problem is that this is so old, that I don't remember to help in troubleshooting it via irc
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| 11:49 | <phaer> oh my :)
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| 11:49 | <alkisg> I'd have to check it via vnc/ssh...
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| 11:49 | You might want to come again in 8 hours or so, vagrantc is the debian maintainer, he might be able to remember/help
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| 11:49 | * alkisg is using ubuntu/nbd primarily | |
| 11:51 | <phaer> very nice, thanks. But I am afraid that I'd risk my job if gave ssh access to some person on an irc channel, so I am going to wait for vagrantc :)
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| 11:52 | <alkisg> !socat
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| 11:52 | <ltsp`> socat: One way to share a console with a remote person is: [local pc] forward port 5500; apt-get install socat; socat tcp-listen:5500,keepalive=1 stdio,raw,echo=0 [remote pc] apt-get install socat screen; socat SYSTEM:"sleep 1; exec screen -xRR ra",pty,stderr tcp:REMOTE-IP:5500 & screen -l -S ra
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| 11:52 | <alkisg> First, it's a shared screen, so it's not really ssh,
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| 11:52 | second, you already have all our code in your pc,
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| 11:52 | <phaer> fair point
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| 11:53 | <alkisg> and third, I wasn't offering to do it! I was just saying I couldn't help with irc in such an old system
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| 11:53 | I might be able to help some other time, but not currently
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| 11:53 | <phaer> Okay. Thanks again, i was misinterpreting you
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| 11:53 | <alkisg> np
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| 11:54 | Check /usr/share/initramfs in the chroot, if the ltsp scripts use "aufs" there or "bind mounts"
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| 11:54 | * alkisg waves, later... | |
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| 11:59 | <phaer> I suppose, /usr/share/initramfs-tools was meant. scripts/ltsp_nbd uses aufs, scripts/nfs-bottom/ltsp uses bind. So I guess its bind for me
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| 12:30 | <phaer> The root of the problem was that, of course, my new chroot overwrote the kernel and initrd of the old one in the tftp direcotry. Recovering that directory from the backup solved the problem for now.
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| 14:45 | <m3741> sup chan. anybody have any idea why a USB drive formatted as NTFS mounts as read-only? thin clients, ubuntu 14.04.3 x64, ltsp 5.5.1-1ubuntu2
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| 14:47 | <alkisg> Can you manually mount it rw on the client?
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| 14:47 | <m3741> good question. trying now...
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| 14:47 | <alkisg> And also, do other usb sticks work fine?
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| 14:50 | <m3741> ext3/4 formatted work fine
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| 14:52 | here's a million dollar question, how do i remount the drive rw? in "normal" linux i know i can do mount -o remount,rw but that doesn't seem to work here since i'm essentially on the server
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| 14:53 | maybe to a more basic question, how in the heck do i run dmesg or similar on the client that actually looks at the client? ltsp-localapps dmesg doesn't fly
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| 15:12 | <alkisg> m3741: ltsp-localapps xterm
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| 15:12 | !screen_02
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| 15:12 | <ltsp`> screen_02: To get a root shell on an Ubuntu thin client: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ClientTroubleshooting#Using_a_shell_SCREEN
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| 15:19 | <m3741> sorry, i'm still trying to wrap my head around ltspfs. i really need to look at the code.
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| 15:20 | i tried running sudo mount -o remount,rw <ip of thin client>:/dev/sdb1 /media/<username>/Elements
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| 15:20 | <alkisg> Did you get a root shell with screen_02=shell?
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| 15:20 | <m3741> and i get: mount.nfs: access denied by server while mounting (null)
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| 15:20 | <alkisg> If so, don't login to the client at all
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| 15:20 | <m3741> i did
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| 15:20 | <alkisg> Just run `mount /dev/sda1 /mnt`
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| 15:20 | <m3741> ah, ok
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| 15:20 | <alkisg> No ltspfs involved
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| 15:26 | <m3741> still mounted ro. it's complaining about the ntfs version on the thing though, 1.2 vs 3.0. trying to reformat now.
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| 15:27 | <alkisg> Also try the same on the server
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| 15:27 | If it mounts correctly there, it's a matter of what software you have in your chroot
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| 15:27 | If it doesn't mount correctly on the server, it's not an ltsp issue
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| 15:28 | <m3741> that makes sense. it'll take me a bit. the server is clear on the other side of the building. i'll be back shortly. thanks as always.
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| 15:28 | you should change your nick to ltspDiety or similar
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| 15:41 | <alkisg> You're welcome, brb...
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| 16:37 | <m3741> alkisg: alright, my image was missing ntfs-3g. installed that, updated image and bam. thanks once more
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| 16:38 | <xdrazen> good morning
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| 16:38 | <m3741> morning!
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| 16:38 | <xdrazen> i guess that now i am done...
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| 16:38 | OMFG!
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| 16:39 | i cannot believe ipxe worked while gpxe did not
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| 16:40 | omfg... BTW, now i am testing with the i3 pc, my true clients are a bit far away
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| 16:40 | alkisg... you are really a pro...
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| 16:40 | thanks a lot for your advices
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| 16:40 | i will be back
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| 16:41 | in the afternoon... kinda in 4 hours i will be back
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| 16:42 | **good bye for all ^^ thanks a lot for the support
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| 20:38 | <xdrazen> hii
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| 20:38 | vagrantc good afternnon
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| 20:39 | hi alkisg
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| 20:41 | * vagrantc waves | |
| 20:41 | <xdrazen> i need help now... again, even with ubuntu 12.04.1 in ltsp-pnp
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| 20:43 | the virtual machine works with 70mb ram, the i3 boots with pxe in rom and too with the ipxe
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| 20:44 | but when booting via ipxe in the pentium pro, i got kernel panic
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| 20:47 | and i am not sure what is the issue there
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| 20:52 | please help me... anything for look for
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| 20:52 | <maldridge> genearlly the panic will tell you what faulted
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| 20:53 | <xdrazen> kernel_threat_helper+0x6/0x10
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| 20:53 | that is the last lane that i got
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| 20:55 | i wonder... what about install a LTSP very very old. Kinda ubuntu 8.04 alternate or server, or even if ltsp comes with edubuntu 8.04...
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| 20:56 | alkisg recomended me the pnp, and eventually it works, but it does not in those ppro pcs...
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| 21:00 | cyberorg suggest me to install tiny core with remote desktop for emuling the ltsp
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| 21:00 | or something like that
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| 21:03 | <vagrantc> i cringe to say this, but try ltsp 4.2
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| 21:04 | <xdrazen> kinda, sudo apt-get install ltsp-server-standalone 4.2?
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| 21:18 | <vagrantc> no, it's an entirely different process
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| 21:19 | xdrazen: you are persistant, if nothing else :P
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| 21:33 | <xdrazen> lol
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| 21:33 | kinda i messed the rams now xD
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| 21:45 | not the rams, i messed the ram slots... now i will try 4*32 ram
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| 21:54 | <xdrazen> hi!
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| 21:55 | well making some trys, i got the same, exactly the same error WHEN
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| 21:56 | making the virtual machine with less than 70 mb
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| 22:03 | then, i almost can be 100% sure that it is a memory issue
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| 22:05 | what is really strange is that some rams are working but the slots are not
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| 22:13 | btw, any place where to search the 4.2 ltsp?
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| 22:13 | or what about that tinycore what cyberorg tell me
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| 22:29 | <vagrantc> when someone doesn't listen to the real answer to their questions...
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| 22:42 | <xdrazen> good bye buddies
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| 22:43 | it is a ram issue
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| 22:43 | i will try this of the tiny core and remote desktop
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| 22:43 | cya
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