IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 9 October 2007 (all times are UTC)
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| 02:32 | <highvoltage> Hi. I'm using LTSP on Gutsy on Ubuntu, but it says "Workstation is not authorised to logon" when I try to log in. I tried doing an ltsp-update-sshkeys, but it didn't seem to work
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| 02:32 | do I have to rebuilt the image too?
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| 02:36 | ah yes, I had to :)
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| 03:09 | <gonzaloaf> highvoltage, can you name alternative solutions to ltsp? I want to do something like a comparative
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| 03:11 | highvoltage, can you name alternative solutions to ltsp? I want to do something like a comparative
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| 03:11 | hello, can you name alternative solutions to ltsp? I want to do something like a comparative
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| 03:12 | <cyberorg> gonzaloaf, there is no alternative, but you can check out vnc, nx, citrix
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| 03:12 | <gonzaloaf> cyberorg, I mean apps that try to do the same thing :p
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| 03:13 | cyberorg, so you know any propietaries?
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| 03:13 | <cyberorg> gonzaloaf, vnc, nx, citrix
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| 03:13 | <highvoltage> gonzaloaf: LTSP is pretty much one-of-a-kind at this stage.
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| 03:14 | gonzaloaf: you can compare other terminal-like systems, but it would be a bit of a strange comparison
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| 03:14 | <gonzaloaf> highvoltage, I know... I just need to name anothers to conclude that LTSP is the right app to use
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| 03:56 | <doggkatcha> cyberorg; i want to install kiwi on a 64bit opensuse 10.3, what should i look out for?
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| 03:57 | <cyberorg> doggkatcha, it is 32bit only for now :( it would be a lot of manual work on 64bit, we will do it for that once we have 32 ironed out
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| 04:00 | <doggkatcha> cyberorg; i can get 4.2 to work on 64bit sled, but the gdm locks up after a while, any ideas?
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| 04:01 | <cyberorg> doggkatcha, nope, haven't ran 4.2 in a long time
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| 04:03 | <doggkatcha> cyberorg; no way to build a 32 bit image with kiwi?
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| 04:04 | <cyberorg> doggkatcha, we are building only 32bit
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| 04:09 | doggkatcha, technically there shouldnt be any difference in running 32bit image to connect to 64bit server, as we are using ssh for Xsession
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| 04:29 | <doggkatcha> cyberorg; i'm going to try out it anyway and let
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| 04:29 | let you know how it goes
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| 04:31 | <cyberorg> doggkatcha, cool :)
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| 05:01 | <doggkatcha> cyberorg; problems, kiwi-ltsp-setup doesn't build kernel :)
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| 05:02 | <cyberorg> doggkatcha, installation on x86_64 won't work and need i386DVD or internet repo
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| 07:51 | <sbalneav> Morning all
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| 07:52 | <klausade> when using LDM_USERNAME=, must I also set the password in cleartect via LDM_PASSWORD, or is there some other way?
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| 08:01 | <sbalneav> That's how you do it.
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| 08:01 | password in cleartext.
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| 08:02 | <klausade> sbalneav: ok. for terminals in a library that should be ok.
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| 08:03 | <sbalneav> I think you should be able to chmod 600 the lts.conf file
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| 08:05 | <Uranellus> hello, is there a kdm theme for ldm ?
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| 08:05 | <klausade> sbalneav: small help, as long as anybody can mount /opt/ltsp/i386
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| 08:06 | sbalneav: but having LDM_USERNAME and LDM_PASSWORD contitues "(very) ease of use", and you can't combine that with security anyway.
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| 08:07 | <sbalneav> Correct.
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| 08:07 | Which is why I don't agree with _USERNAME and _PASSWORD anyway. However, it's a feature people seem to want, so I provide it.
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| 08:07 | Caveat emptor
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| 08:08 | <klausade> sbalneav: they asked for it ....
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| 08:12 | <highvoltage> sbalneav: I installed LTSP today for the first time in a long time (gutsy). WOW!
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| 08:12 | <sbalneav> Like it?
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| 08:12 | <highvoltage> a lot. besides for some tiny problems it's really slock
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| 08:12 | *slick
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| 08:13 | <sbalneav> Tiny problems?
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| 08:13 | Do tell.
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| 08:13 | Wait'll you see what I've worked up for local apps. I've got that licked in the last few days.
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| 08:13 | <highvoltage> the only thing that bothered me was that the password prompt doesn't dissapear when authentication takes place, and that authentication takes a few seconds
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| 08:13 | sbalneav: WOW!
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| 08:13 | <sbalneav> Ah, that's a byproduct of the scripted greeter.
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| 08:13 | <highvoltage> sbalneav: that will make me very, very excited
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| 08:14 | <sbalneav> I'll maybe touch that up a bit next go-round.
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| 08:14 | <highvoltage> sbalneav: I think that scripted greeter is good! it's very fast, way better than the old LDM
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| 08:14 | <sbalneav> It does, however, now give you status messages, so that's a HUGE improvement.
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| 08:14 | <highvoltage> (except that it segfaults now and again)
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| 08:14 | <sbalneav> reeeeealy?
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| 08:15 | <sbalneav> I haven't seen any segfaults, so if you run into one, file a bug.
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| 08:15 | so's I can fix it.
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| 08:15 | <highvoltage> yep, when I press the power button on my computer, the system doesn't shut down, I see a quick Segmentation Fault message, and then LDM comes back
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| 08:15 | ok, I'll do so
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| 08:15 | <sbalneav> ah, ok.
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| 08:15 | I don't think we ever added in the acpi-scripts to handle power buttons on thin clients.
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| 08:15 | <highvoltage> but besides that, it's really nice. LTSP is getting to a very mature point
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| 08:15 | <sbalneav> So that's quite possible.
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| 08:15 | <highvoltage> aaah
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| 08:16 | I'll suggest fixes in the bug report then.
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| 08:16 | <sbalneav> yeah
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| 08:16 | then we can get it in for hairy.
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| 08:16 | We'll have localapps in hairy as well.
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| 08:18 | <Uranellus> how do I change the language on the client to german and tell it to use a german kb layout? (using ltsp 5)
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| 08:18 | <highvoltage> sbalneav: heh @ hairy
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| 08:26 | <sbalneav> Uranellus: Check in the Edubuntu Handbook, there's some XBK_ options you can put in the lts.conf file.
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| 08:26 | highvoltage: Have you been reading the updated handbook?
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| 08:27 | <highvoltage> sbalneav: nope, where can I find it?
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| 08:29 | <sbalneav> highvoltage: Ubuntu help centre
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| 08:29 | The little red questionmark :)
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| 08:29 | I'm assuming you're running edubuntu.
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| 08:30 | * highvoltage looks | |
| 08:30 | <highvoltage> sbalneav: just Ubuntu for our current customers
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| 08:31 | <sbalneav> edubuntu-docs package, if you need to install.
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| 08:31 | <highvoltage> ok
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| 09:00 | <Solv> I will need to do a new install of a small ltsp system soon, which I will only be able to remotely adminster, and the local adminster would be a linux novice but not a computer/network novice. Would edubuntu be the easiest option for them to learn, or k12ltsp? I haven't tried either...I just installed 4.2 manually over fedora
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| 09:01 | so any opinions would be appreciated
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| 09:15 | <highvoltage> sbalneav: ltsp-server still suggests nfs-kernel-server and sdm
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| 09:15 | sbalneav: is that right?
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| 09:16 | (I mean, should it still be like that?)
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| 09:16 | <ogra> yes
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| 09:17 | it moved from being a dependency to being a suggestion
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| 09:17 | you can use nfs if you like
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| 09:17 | we're not that evil :)
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| 09:17 | <jammcq> only a little evil
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| 09:18 | <ogra> yeah, a bit :)
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| 09:18 | <highvoltage> ok :)
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| 09:18 | <Solv> can I get the same admin tools available in edubuntu in kubuntu without too much mucking around?
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| 09:18 | <ogra> Solv, which ones ?
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| 09:18 | <Solv> like the gui client manager
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| 09:18 | <ogra> sure
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| 09:18 | but there is no QT frontend (yet)
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| 09:18 | <Solv> it's all in the univers repo?
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| 09:18 | <ogra> nope, in main
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| 09:18 | <Solv> so it will just look a little strange
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| 09:18 | <ogra> you want thin-client-manager-gnome
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| 09:19 | <Solv> okay cool
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| 09:19 | <ogra> it will pull in the rest
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| 09:19 | <Solv> i imagine ltsp in ubuntu is by far the easiest way to teach someone new about ltsp and how to administer it?
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| 09:20 | i'm an old 4.2 user...haven't made the leap yet (pity no other distros support 5.0)
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| 09:20 | ogra, so the ltsp-kde-tools package is still under development?
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| 09:21 | <ogra> i'm not aware of such a package
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| 09:21 | <highvoltage> Solv: I've installed LTSP in Ubuntu Gutsy today for the first time in ages
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| 09:21 | <Solv> highvoltage, working well for you?
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| 09:21 | <highvoltage> Solv: and LTSP is indeed very easy to install, and I believe it's become much easier to administer as well
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| 09:21 | Solv: yep, only in early stages of testing. I used to love LTSP 4.2 too
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| 09:22 | <ogra> Solv, thin-client-manager is designed to work with different frontends but nobody stepped up for a KDE variant ... beyond that there are no gui tools yet
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| 09:22 | <Solv> I tried to install it in kubuntu 6 months back...couldn't get local devices to work...ran out of time...so i keft it
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| 09:22 | <highvoltage> Solv: this is, in my opinion, even better than the 4.2 release.
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| 09:23 | <Solv> highvoltage, great...well at the end of the year when my students move on I can reformat the server and have some fun
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| 09:23 | <highvoltage> Solv: what do you have on there at the moment?
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| 09:23 | <Solv> tis a pain in the arse to upgrade from fedora with ltsp 4.2 while they all have their files on their and use it everyday
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| 09:23 | fc5
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| 09:24 | and it's becoming a problem...because upgrades are becoming scarce
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| 09:24 | it is a major issue with a distro that has such a fast release cycle, and that is not easily upgraded without doing a fresh re-install...
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| 09:25 | actually that's another point....can one easily upgrade ubuntu releases internally, without re-installing from disc? That would make it much more attractive as well
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| 09:26 | ?
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| 09:27 | <highvoltage> ogra: I might have asked you before, but is there a reason why i386, PPC, IA64, etc squashfs images can't be packaged?
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| 09:27 | Solv: yep, you can upgrade from release to release quite easily
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| 09:28 | <Solv> highvoltage, thanx mate
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| 09:28 | <ogra> highvoltage, me being busy with other stuff :)
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| 09:28 | <highvoltage> Solv: we used to use FC in a lot of schools here in South Africa, but upgrades became to cumbersome for us, so we switched to Ubuntu, and it's been much better
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| 09:28 | <ogra> we should have a client-image-$(arch) package
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| 09:28 | <highvoltage> ogra: aaah, great. so it's not an issue, policy speaking
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| 09:29 | ogra: mind if I try to make some time to look at it? and if I could put something acceptable together, would you mind sponsoring a package?
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| 09:30 | (I realise it's too late for Gutsy)
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| 09:31 | <ogra> i wouldnt mind indeed :)
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| 09:31 | make it a downloader like the flashplugin-nonfree one
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| 09:31 | <highvoltage> ok, that's a good idea
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| 09:31 | <highvoltage> because the img would probably need to be build on a canonical build server?
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| 09:31 | *built
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| 09:32 | <ogra> doesnt need to, no
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| 09:32 | if you have a downloader it doesnt matter from where thats coming
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| 09:32 | <highvoltage> ok, where should I initially store the images?
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| 09:37 | <highvoltage> ogra: you are a genius!
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| 09:37 | ogra: I was just about to ask on -motu how I would handle the licensing for a tarball that contains a whole system...
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| 09:38 | ogra: then I realised the package itself probably won't need the licensing for all the parts of the tarball, since it downloads the tarball seperately
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| 09:38 | ogra: am I right?
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| 09:38 | <ogra> right
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| 09:39 | well, you should make sure that the tarball contains stuff thats redistriubutable over the web, so the license still matters indeed
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| 09:39 | but not for the downloader package
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| 09:40 | i.e. the most beautiful and nicest downloader wouldnt make all the win32codecs packages any more legal ...
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| 09:40 | if the content can get you into jail it wont help to have a gpl'ed downloader for it ;)
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| 09:50 | <highvoltage> ogra: indeed
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| 10:11 | <cliebow_> sbalneav:Scottie.got a clue why two clients next to each other..one gets grey x the other a full login ..reversing network connections has no impact..in 4.2?
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| 10:11 | yet both work fine in another room
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| 10:19 | <sbalneav> cliebow_: Tried resetting the switch?
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| 10:19 | it's arp cache probably has a bad value in it.
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| 10:21 | <cliebow_> ive done several times...both in the lab..and in the head room..
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| 10:21 | ahh welll....
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| 10:21 | <sbalneav> wierd
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| 10:22 | <cliebow_> i have five of the little bahst...err maschines in a room of twenty that do this
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| 10:39 | <sbalneav> cliebow_: They pingable?
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| 11:38 | <cdealer> =)
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| 11:39 | [ogra]:: you know how can I analyze if my ltsp connection is having to much packet loss ?
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| 11:40 | <ogra> ping with a big packetsize ?
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| 11:41 | <cdealer> I dont think this will be enough =(
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| 11:42 | [ogra]:: I want to know if connected through a client could cause more packet loss them a direct connection (without passing through the ltsp server)
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| 11:43 | <ogra> what do you mean ?
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| 11:43 | you kow that you are working on the server and the client is only use for display and input/OUTPUT ?
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| 11:43 | *USED
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| 11:43 | whoops
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| 11:45 | if yu would have packet loss to the client that would result in a broken sluggish desktop but it wont affect your internet connection or so
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| 11:45 | <sbalneav> cdealer: The only way you should be getting packet loss is if you've got bad networking equipment.
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| 11:45 | <ogra> stuttering audio and stuttering mouse would also be a symptom
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| 11:45 | <sbalneav> right
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| 11:46 | <ogra> so what exactly do you see ?
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| 11:46 | or miss
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| 11:47 | <sbalneav> Right, I guess the question is: what's the symptom that makes you think you're losing packets?
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| 11:48 | <cdealer> well
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| 11:48 | what happens is the we have windows in our clients today and we want to go to linux
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| 11:48 | so we are making some tests
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| 11:48 | and
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| 11:49 | the users must use a java applet app through the webbrowser
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| 11:49 | this applet works great in both, linux and windows
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| 11:49 | <ogra> so your limitation is server ram and CPU
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| 11:50 | unlikely that the network will have any impact on it
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| 11:50 | <cdealer> what is strange is that the aplect conection closes more often on linux them windows
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| 11:50 | <ogra> that can as well be a bug in the app or the java vm etc
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| 11:50 | <cdealer> in my point of view there are no problem on ltsp, but for my boss this is a new land and he are blaming the connection loss because of linux
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| 11:50 | <sbalneav> Could be a bug in the software, or vm
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| 11:50 | DOH
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| 11:51 | <ogra> the network is surely the last ressource here you should suspect
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| 11:51 | <cdealer> [sbalneav]:: ok, it could be, but.... the problem only occours here (we are remotly connected to other state)
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| 11:52 | in the other state the linux isnt having any problem but they dont use ltsp (what for me doesnt matters)
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| 11:53 | well, I think that you have nothing to do with this... sorry for I being bottering you with this, is that im lost and I dont want to see this implamantation going wrong
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| 11:53 | <ogra> so they use the identical distro and java setup over there ?
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| 11:53 | but no ltsp
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| 11:54 | (how else would you be able to even remotely compare)
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| 11:54 | <sbalneav> Simplest would be to use something like Wireshark or tcpdump to see whats going on in the network if you want, but I'd check .xsession-errors, or wherever the java-vm logs it's stuff and see if it's issuing any errors.
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| 11:54 | <ogra> yeah
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| 11:56 | <cdealer> must be a connection problem, because the java console dont report anything, only the applet that reports a error saying that the connection was lost and bla blla... now i think that i must analise the two ends of the connection
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| 11:56 | <sbalneav> Maybe your firewall is blocking ports that the java app is expecting to use.
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| 11:56 | That'd be the most likely place to start looking.
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| 11:57 | <cdealer> [sbalneav]:: the firewall is already open for this connection... this error occurs after some time, like 1, 2 hours of use
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| 11:57 | <sbalneav> Need SO_KEEPALIVE then on something?
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| 11:58 | <cdealer> [sbalneav]:: what? this is a new information for me... are you saying on the firewall ?
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| 11:59 | we are going to use iperf to see if we found the problem
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| 12:00 | <sbalneav> OK, well, I'm off for the day, gotta head to the bank, etc.
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| 12:00 | Good luck.
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| 12:00 | <cdealer> thanks.,.. good luck for you at the bank too haha =D
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| 12:06 | <highvoltage> sbalneav: take care!
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| 13:23 | <edgarin> Hi jammcq
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| 13:24 | jammcq, how are you?
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| 13:32 | <jammcq> hey edgarin
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| 13:33 | <edgarin> jammcq, :)!
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| 15:46 | <staffencasa> sbalneav, what should I check if my ltsp clients' xscreensaver pics are screwing up on newer machines but look fine on older ones? Could it be a driver issue and where should I look?
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| 15:58 | <vagrantc_> mathersis: hi
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| 17:22 | <mathersis> vagrantc: como va ltsp5
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| 17:23 | <vagrantc> mathersis: bien
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| 18:32 | <reddhatt> hi all
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| 18:32 | could someone help-me.. plz
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| 18:32 | ping someone
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| 18:33 | <staffencasa> if it's simple, I may be able to help
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| 18:33 | <reddhatt> ohh... a volunter... :)
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| 18:33 | im havin a problem when tring to access a local device
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| 18:34 | <staffencasa> I guess I shouldn't have volunteered :< I haven't tried any of that yet
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| 18:34 | <reddhatt> hehehe
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| 18:35 | <staffencasa> ping vagrantc
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| 18:35 | <reddhatt> when i am executing the troubleshooting a get a error like "Couldn't read LTSPFS_TOKEN atom.\n"
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| 18:35 | * vagrantc gots to go | |
| 18:36 | <reddhatt> i looked at the ltsp.c source and i get
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| 18:36 | res = XGetWindowProperty(dpy, root, comm_atom, 0, 512, 0, XA_STRING,
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| 18:36 | &type, &format, &nitems, &nleft,
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| 18:36 | (unsigned char **)&buf);
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| 18:36 | if (res != Success || type != XA_STRING) {
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| 18:36 | fprintf(stderr, "Couldn't read LTSPFS_TOKEN atom.\n");
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| 18:36 | exit(1);
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| 18:36 | }
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| 18:36 | <vagrantc> !pastebot
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| 18:36 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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| 18:36 | <vagrantc> if you're running debian lenny, you'll need to use ltsp packages from sid
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| 18:38 | <reddhatt> still the ltspfs?
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| 18:44 | <reddhatt> hmm.. why its not running.. :(
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| 18:44 | when i execute usr/sbin/lbus_event_handler.sh remove block /tmp 1024 Temp
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| 18:44 | , i get Couldn't read LTSPFS_TOKEN atom.
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| 18:45 | TOKEN?!
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| 18:57 | <staffencasa> yeah, I'd bug vagrantc tomorrow on that one.
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| 18:57 | l8r
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| 19:41 | <pablo_> hi! i wanan test ltsp in ubuntu 7.10 may i follow the UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall?
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| 19:54 | <pablo_> hi! i want to test ltsp in ubuntu 7.10 may i follow the UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall?
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| 21:32 | <JayPerez1> Evening, All. have an issue with a thin-client using an LCD monitor but don't know if this is an LTSP related item.
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