IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 26 September 2012 (all times are UTC)
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| 09:14 | <ltspuser_52> Hello, can someone please explain to me how to convert the image created by ltsp to an ISO file so I can install it?
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| 09:15 | someone here?
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| 09:18 | <muppis> You dont't need to install it anywhere. Just boot machine from network and that's it.
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| 09:19 | Check setting from bios or use iPXE. If you have Windows installed you can use win32 loader
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| 09:19 | !win3-loader
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| 09:19 | <ltsp> I do not know about 'win3-loader', but I do know about these similar topics: 'win32-loader'
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| 09:19 | <muppis> !win32-loader
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| 09:19 | <ltsp> win32-loader: win32-loader.exe can be used to add a "PXE - Network boot" option to the Windows boot manager. It's developed for Debian and it uses gPXE/iPXE for the network booting. You can download a binary from http://ftp.debian.org/debian/tools/win32-loader/unstable/ (if someone could write a wiki page for that it'd be great, a Greek page you can translate as a starting point is available at (1 more message)
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| 09:29 | <knipwim> ltspuser_52: http://wiki.ltsp.org/wiki/Tips_and_Tricks#Adding_to_existing_windows_boot_loader_the_option_of_iPXE
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| 09:44 | <ltspuser_52> Can someone tell me, when in gxpe (Pressed CTRL-B to go to command promtp) which commands and in which order I need to start the TLSP image available on the tftp server? At the moment I have 1. "dhcp any" to get an IP, 2. kernel tfpt://123.123.123.123/tlsp/amd64/gpxelinux.0", 3. "boot" But this tells me no configuration file found?
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| 09:50 | <jahmon> hello good people of the ltsp channel
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| 10:06 | i am having great problems building an ltsp kiosk environment in 11.10. with the --kiosk, firefox isn't starting with the kiosk
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| 10:12 | doesn't appear to be logging in as kiosk :(
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| 10:19 | <muppis> jahmon, haven't use kiosk mode ever, but I remember it need autologin feature to be used.
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| 10:24 | <jahmon> it is autologging in.. but not as a kiosk user
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| 10:28 | <muppis> jahmon, then I can't really help more. Stand by and wait when idlers activates or joins in. They read logs and might help if knows better than me.
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| 10:48 | <Hyperbyte> I haven't used kiosk either, but when you find someone who does have experience with it, they'll probably want to see your lts.conf file. Could you upload it to pastebin?
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| 11:07 | <jahmon> my lts.conf currently just has my username and password in it
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| 11:08 | nothing related to kiosk#
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| 11:08 | thats defniitely a place to start though thanks!
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| 11:25 | <cyberorg> jahmon, SCREEN_07=kiosk and KIOSK_EXE="/usr/bin/firefox" should work, remove user and password
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| 11:26 | kiosk creates temporary user for this purpose
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| 11:27 | <jahmon> cool
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| 11:27 | ive now got the kiosk starting automatically
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| 11:27 | but not going to a default page
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| 11:54 | <jahmon> any idea how to set home page and remove all warning at the top? currently i have firefox is free and open source..
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| 11:54 | ?
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| 11:55 | <Hyperbyte> jahmon, not entirely sure, but I think the next step is locking down Firefox itself
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| 11:56 | (I could be wrong! ;-))
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| 12:30 | <jahmon> so any idea where the default config file would live for the kiosk
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| 12:30 | <jahmon> im trying to edit /opt./ltsp/i386/etc/syspref.js
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| 12:32 | <biomorph> jahmon: Have you tried KIOSK_EXE="/usr/bin/firefox http://google.com"
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| 12:32 | Obviously replace google.com with the page you wish to go to.
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| 12:34 | <jahmon> ill give tha a try biomorph cheers
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| 12:35 | still trying to work out where id lock firefox down from within the image though.. my setting dont seem to come through
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| 12:58 | <jahmon> biomorph: that just makes the config file invalid :(
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| 13:17 | <biomorph> jahmon: Sorry - I though it might do.
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| 13:17 | Just thought it was worth trying.
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| 13:36 | <jahmon> my problem now is meerly locking down firefox, but i still can't find the location of the firefox preferences within the image... lots of differing ideas on the net!
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| 14:35 | <frederickjh> Just wanted to let folks know about a problem that I ran into and the solution. I am running Ubuntu 10.04 LTS. For some time when browsing the internet the page load would take a long time to load but once they started they would load quickly. This was both on the server and the clients but the clients seemed slowest. I figured out that /etc/init.d/networking was adding a local-link route to the routing. When I would delete this with: su
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| 14:38 | It is not needed for LTSP and can be safely uninstall. From the package description "It is primarily intended to be used inad-hoc networks which lack a DHCP server.", definitely not a LTSP environment. Not sure if this should be reported or recorded somewhere for future LTSP users that experience this slow down.
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| 15:01 | <frederickjh> Anyone know of a way to block a list of websites for certain users on a LTSP system but not for others?
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| 15:08 | <jahmon> force a proxy, or do a restrict based on the ips assigned out to the ltsp clients?
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| 15:09 | <Hyperbyte> Or authenticate to the proxy
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| 15:09 | "squid" can do it.
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| 15:13 | <frederickjh> Ok, Would this be automatic? Like the browser passes the username on to squid or would the user need a new login/password for squid as well?
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| 15:16 | <frederickjh> Ok, I see squid can do a number of authorization schemes including PAM so it maybe the first time on a browser they would need to authenticate, then the browser would enter the credentials after that.
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| 15:17 | <alkisg> frederickjh: google for identd + squid
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| 15:17 | <frederickjh> ok alkisg, thanks!
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| 15:17 | <alkisg> np
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| 15:31 | <jahmon> if anyone has any ideas how to set firefox defaults within a kiosk (running firefox 15) please get back to me, im gonna stay signed in thankx :)
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| 17:37 | <alkisg> !win32-loader
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| 17:37 | <ltsp> win32-loader: win32-loader.exe can be used to add a "PXE - Network boot" option to the Windows boot manager. It's developed for Debian and it uses gPXE/iPXE for the network booting. You can download a binary from http://ftp.debian.org/debian/tools/win32-loader/unstable/ (if someone could write a wiki page for that it'd be great, a Greek page you can translate as a starting point is available at (1 more message)
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| 17:39 | <alkisg> !learn win98-loader as win98-loader.exe can be used to add a "PXE - Network boot" option to Windows 98 machines. Download and run http://ts.sch.gr/repo/netboot/win98-loader.exe, specify C:\ as the installation directory, and finally run C:\boot\grub\install.bat
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| 17:39 | <ltsp> The operation succeeded.
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| 17:39 | <||cw> interesting. works for DOS too?
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| 17:40 | <alkisg> Yup
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| 17:40 | Errr well it's a 7z archive in an .exe sfx format, so you'd need some way to uncompress it from the console
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| 17:41 | * alkisg hopes that's the last development he'll even need to do for Windows 98, may they RIP :) | |
| 17:41 | <||cw> a gui sfx and not a console one?
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| 17:41 | <vagrantc> it's actually different than win32-loader.exe?
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| 17:41 | <alkisg> vagrantc: win32-loader doesn't work with 9x
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| 17:42 | <vagrantc> ah.
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| 17:42 | <alkisg> It uses grub4dos internally
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| 17:42 | <||cw> right, win32loader is for xp's boot manager, win9x/doss is different
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| 17:42 | * vagrantc hasn't really used anything since 9x | |
| 17:42 | <alkisg> ||cw: hmm you're probably right, it would make more sense to use a console-based sfx tool
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| 17:42 | But it would need to be 16 bit and I'm really bored to do the necessary surfing
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| 17:42 | If you ever do it, please ping me with a link to the result...
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| 17:43 | <vagrantc> can't you just use loadlin.exe?
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| 17:43 | <alkisg> The filenames can all be 8.3 char length so they can be dos compatible
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| 17:43 | <vagrantc> for dos?
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| 17:43 | <alkisg> vagrantc: last time I tried that it hanged more often than not
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| 17:43 | And it required editing autoexec.bat, and provided no menu for selecting the os to boot
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| 17:44 | Grub4dos even has a `savedefault` option
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| 17:44 | So it remembers the last choice the user made, 98 or netboot
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| 17:46 | Today I went to install LTSP in a school with win98 (that's why I took the time to convert our old grub4dos.zip + gpxe to win98-loader.exe + ipxe). Unfortunately gpxe/ipxe seem to not work with the NICs there... I wonder if the MS netboot disk would work.
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| 18:06 | <ltspuser_98> Good evening all. Wondered if someone could help me with a strange dhcpd related issue.
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| 18:08 | <vagrantc> ask away, and answers may come...
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| 18:08 | <ltspuser_98> Ok.
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| 18:09 | I've set up a ltsp server and configured it according to bootpolish.net (system is Debian Squeeze).
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| 18:10 | Whenever a machine is turned on, it requests a ip address from the given range (in this case x.x.x.230 - 250).
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| 18:11 | As soon as the image has been loaded, the client requests a new IP, out of range (here: x.x.x.148).
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| 18:11 | <vagrantc> do you have a second dhcp server on the network?
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| 18:12 | <ltspuser_98> Some config file seems to be borked. I'm lost atm.
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| 18:12 | The client requests the IP from the same server.
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| 18:13 | <dead_inside> whats the url for ltsp info on bootpolish.net?
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| 18:13 | * dead_inside highly recommends using ltsp.org instead..... | |
| 18:14 | <ltspuser_98> The thing is it DID work before. After running a test, I have taken down the whole machine and set it up new. Same hardware, same OS and version.
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| 18:15 | <dead_inside> something aparently was not the same
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| 18:16 | <ltspuser_98> Obviously. I just can't make it out.
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| 18:16 | http://bootpolish.net/home_ltsp
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| 18:18 | <alkisg> ltspuser_98: paste your /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf
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| 18:18 | !pastebin
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| 18:18 | <ltsp> pastebin: the LTSP pastebin is at http://ltsp.pastebin.com. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebin, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. Don't forget to paste the URL of the text here.
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| 18:19 | <alkisg> (or your /etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf, if you don't have one under /etc/ltsp)
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| 18:20 | <vagrantc> on debian, /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf isn't used by default, you have to explicitly include it from the *real* dhcpd.conf
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| 18:20 | either /etc/dhcp/dhcpd.conf or /etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf
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| 18:20 | <alkisg> It sounds like it has a different range for PXEClient* and another for "Linux ipconfig*"
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| 18:21 | <Luizcezar> hello guys, im on panic wtih kernel panic, have a network card Natsemi DP83815, put gPXE and now im on kernel panic - not syncing
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| 18:21 | <alkisg> Other clients boot?
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| 18:22 | <Luizcezar> my notebook boot
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| 18:22 | thin clients genesis II not
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| 18:23 | <alkisg> It might be a missing module then, which distro is that?
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| 18:23 | (and version?)
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| 18:23 | <ltspuser_98> http://pastebin.com/Ub563DYg
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| 18:23 | <Luizcezar> all up to date, ubuntu 64 12.04
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| 18:23 | http://pastebin.com/u8gBbq2Y
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| 18:24 | <alkisg> Luizcezar: is it easy to boot that client with e.g. a usb stick, so that you see if the linux kernel recognizes that NIC, and which module it needs?
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| 18:26 | If not, you can try putting `break=mount` in pxelinux.cfg/default, and run ipconfig or udhcpc there, to see if it recognizes the nic
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| 18:30 | <Luizcezar> sry im back
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| 18:32 | alkisg: i downloaded the image.lkrn with my NIC natsemi (network card National Semiconductor DP83815)
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| 18:32 | * vagrantc notes an increase in ltspuser_NN folks dropping in | |
| 18:32 | <alkisg> Luizcezar: do you have the pci-id for that card?
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| 18:32 | <vagrantc> did we publicise irc in some particular way recently?
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| 18:32 | <alkisg> Luizcezar: gpxe does its job. It's the linux initramfs that has problems with your card (probably)
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| 18:33 | <ltspuser_98> I think it would load and boot. It just can't find a server after the misconfiguration.
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| 18:33 | <alkisg> vagrantc: in ltsp.org => irc
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| 18:33 | <Luizcezar> alkisg: i dont know the pci-ID
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| 18:33 | <alkisg> Luizcezar: did you see my messages above?
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| 18:33 | (09:24:57 μμ) alkisg: Luizcezar: is it easy to boot that client with e.g. a usb stick, so that you see if the linux kernel recognizes that NIC, and which module it needs?
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| 18:33 | (09:26:26 μμ) alkisg: If not, you can try putting `break=mount` in pxelinux.cfg/default, and run ipconfig or udhcpc there, to see if it recognizes the nic
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| 18:34 | <Luizcezar> ok, i got kicked, i saw now. i will try
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| 18:36 | <alkisg> ltspuser_98: you can try `break=mount` in pxelinux.cfg/default, and then `cat /tmp/net-eth0.conf`, to see the ROOTSERVER etc, to verify that it's the correct DHCP server that answers the request
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| 18:54 | <Inar> OK, I've added break=mount and the client stops without requesting a new IP.
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| 19:04 | The folder /tmp is empty.
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| 19:06 | <Luizcezar> alkisg: have another way to discover my pci id instead of lspci? i just have the model of network card.
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| 19:07 | <alkisg> Inar: try running: ipconfig eth0
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| 19:07 | Luizcezar: did you try to boot the client with a usb stick? Or is that not easy to do in your case?
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| 19:08 | <Luizcezar> i just can boot for CFlash, and its doing kernel panic
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| 19:09 | i have syslinux installed, if i press shift and another command i dont know
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| 19:09 | then i try to boot from usb
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| 19:10 | <Inar> alksig: it's working alright. No IP address, assigned one and could ping into my net.
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| 19:10 | <alkisg> Inar: ok, now type exit, so that the boot process continues
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| 19:11 | "no ip address" => you mean ipconfig didn't get an ip address and you had to assign it yourself?
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| 19:11 | Also now try cat /tmp/net-eth0.conf and check the values there
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| 19:13 | <Inar> alksig: correct.
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| 19:13 | <alkisg> Inar: what happens if you run udhcpc?
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| 19:13 | <Inar> Boot continues, but at this point eth0 gets reconfigured and requests the bad IP again.
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| 19:15 | <alkisg> Reboot, break again, run udhcpc
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| 19:15 | <Inar> Here's the output:
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| 19:15 | Sending discover
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| 19:16 | <Inar> sending select for 10.100.100.148 (note that dhcp ip range is 231 and up)
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| 19:17 | <Inar> Lease of 10.100.100.148 obtained (???)
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| 19:19 | <alkisg> It sounds like you have another dhcp server in your network, and I was thinking that you could see it from /tmp/net-eth0.conf after running ipconfig, but ipconfig doesn't work for you (which is weird, but ok, ipconfig is a bit buggy)
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| 19:20 | To get /tmp/net-eth0.conf from udhcpc you can try running /scripts/init-premount/udhcp
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| 19:20 | <Inar> Btw, ....147 is currently the highest static IP currently active.
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| 19:22 | <Luizcezar> alkisg: discovered the pci id , 100b , 0020 , can we see is its compatible with ltsp?
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| 19:23 | <alkisg> $ grep 100b.*0020 /lib/modules/3.2.0-31-generic-pae/modules.pcimap
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| 19:23 | natsemi 0x0000100b 0x00000020 0x000012d9 0x0000000c 0x00000000 0x00000000 0x0
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| 19:23 | So Linux uses this module for your card
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| 19:24 | <Luizcezar> what can i do? im newbie with it :)
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| 19:24 | <alkisg> ...and it is included in the initramfs
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| 19:24 | So your problem *isn't* a missing module
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| 19:24 | <Luizcezar> the problem is the root i think, the config file
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| 19:25 | phewww
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| 19:25 | <alkisg> Which config file?
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| 19:25 | <Luizcezar> pxe.cfg/default?
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| 19:26 | 3.2.0-31? im with 3.2.0-30 i think
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| 19:26 | yep, i will upgrade
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| 19:33 | <alkisg> ||cw: http://ts.sch.gr/repo/netboot/dos-load.exe :)
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| 19:33 | Runs under plain dos, but needs himem
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| 19:33 | (so if you have win98, it needs F8 => console mode, not ctrl+F5)
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| 19:38 | <mhterres> hi
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| 19:42 | <Inar> Back.
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| 20:01 | <alkisg> vagrantc: some time ago I asked you to include an `ltsp-update-kernels` call in ltsp-client-core.postinst, but I don't remember your answer... did you agree to do it in the future?
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| 20:02 | (for cases where ltsp-build-client isn't used, like ltsp-pnp)
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| 20:02 | <vagrantc> alkisg: i vaguely recall this, and don't think i've done any such thing
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| 20:03 | alkisg: you're talking about /usr/share/ltsp/update-kernels, yes?
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| 20:03 | <alkisg> Right, or a trigger for initramfs rebuilding
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| 20:03 | <vagrantc> probably *and* trigger an initramfs rebuild
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| 20:04 | alkisg: i'm not opposed to it in principle
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| 20:04 | * alkisg doesn't remember update-kernels well, checks the code now... | |
| 20:05 | <vagrantc> ltsp-update-kernels is server-side
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| 20:05 | <alkisg> You're right, no `update-initramfs` in update-kernels
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| 20:05 | <vagrantc> and you're talking about server and client on the same install
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| 20:05 | <alkisg> I was talking about /etc/kernel/postinst.d/ltsp-update-kernels
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| 20:05 | Not the /usr/sbin one
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| 20:05 | <vagrantc> which is the same as /usr/share/ltsp/update-kernels
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| 20:05 | <alkisg> But yeah, wrong name
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| 20:07 | <alkisg> !vagrant-todo
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| 20:07 | <ltsp> vagrant-todo: (#1) pxemenus, or (#2) tweak debian/rules to install appropriate update-kernels.conf, or (#3) update-kernels fix memtest support or drop it
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| 20:07 | * alkisg placed the hint... :D | |
| 20:08 | <alkisg> !alkisg-todo
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| 20:08 | <ltsp> alkisg-todo: (#1) ltsp-update-image.symlinks, or (#2) upload fixed nbd-server package in the PPA, or (#3) implement LDM_[PRE|IN|POST]SESSION_CMD, or (#4) put IPAPPEND support in ltsp-update-kernels, or (#5) prefer kernels from img rather than dir, or (#6) LDM password hash, or (#7) check remoteapps in fat clients, or (#8) launch ltspfsd/cdpinger upon first media insertion
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| 20:08 | <Inar> http://pastebin.com/2EtPjder
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| 20:08 | <vagrantc> hah!
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| 20:08 | i forgot
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| 20:09 | <Inar> I don't quite understand why the dhcpd denies the request but the client still gets served.
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| 20:10 | <vagrantc> alkisg: your #8 should already happen...
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| 20:10 | <alkisg> Inar: what arch is your server and your chroot? both i386?
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| 20:10 | <vagrantc> alkisg: er, actually no
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| 20:10 | <Inar> Yes.
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| 20:10 | <vagrantc> alkisg: cdpinger exists because there's no way to detect media insertion... that's exactly what cdpinger does.
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| 20:10 | <alkisg> vagrantc: no, I see them eating up RAM on clients with 128 ram where students never use usb sticks... :(
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| 20:10 | Ouch
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| 20:10 | <Inar> Hardware is a HP Proliant.
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| 20:10 | <vagrantc> alkisg: and shouldn't be needed for usb sticks.
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| 20:11 | <alkisg> vagrantc: no udev events for cd roms? /me has trouble believing that...
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| 20:11 | <vagrantc> alkisg: i'd love to be proved wrong.
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| 20:11 | alkisg: but there definitely wasn't anything in the past.
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| 20:11 | * alkisg will try udevadm monitor in a bit | |
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| 20:11 | <alkisg> Inar: from your server, try: /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/lib/klibc/bin/ipconfig -n eth0
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| 20:11 | <vagrantc> alkisg: if it has changed, we could drop cdpinger entirely.
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| 20:12 | <alkisg> as root
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| 20:12 | Inar: this will make your server "fake" a dhcp request
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| 20:12 | If anything answers, then you have the proof that there's another dhcp server in your network
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| 20:12 | It won't apply the ip it gets
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| 20:13 | KERNEL[21178.849191] change /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1f.2/host1/target1:0:0/1:0:0:0/block/sr0 (block)
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| 20:14 | ...although I should be checking in a thin client... hmm...
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| 20:14 | * alkisg postpones it for tomorrow | |
| 20:14 | <vagrantc> alkisg: udev rules for that would rock.
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| 20:15 | <Inar> alkisg - just guessing for the lack of knowledge: can it be that there's a dhcpd beyond my NAT/router answering?
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| 20:15 | <alkisg> Not without a dhcp proxy, no
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| 20:15 | But maybe your router has a dhcp server?
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| 20:16 | <Inar> ....
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| 20:18 | Holy xxxxx, it IS the router!
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| 20:19 | It's a spare.... didn't realize it had a dhcpd on.
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| 20:21 | <Inar_> ...and the terminal ist booting.
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| 20:22 | I can't believe it. This crappy 50-Euro spare cost me 4 solid hours.
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| 20:22 | <alkisg> vagrantc: yup, in my vbox thin client,LOCALDEV=false, and udevadm monitor says "KERNEL[150.496782] change /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:01.1/host2/target2:0:0/2:0:0:0/block/sr0 (block)"
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| 20:22 | * alkisg checks without dbus now... | |
| 20:23 | * vagrantc hopes this means we can get rid of cdpinger | |
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| 20:23 | <vagrantc> would be a *lot* simpler
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| 20:24 | <Inar_> Alright, that was it. All teminals are booting.
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| 20:25 | alksig - thank you very much for your help.
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| 20:25 | <alkisg> You're welcome, btw, use <tab> to get the irc names right ;)
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| 20:25 | vagrantc: it works without dbus as well, so it's not related to udisks or anything, it's plain udev
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| 20:25 | So we can write a rule for that
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| 20:26 | <Inar_> Hardly ever using irc:) Thanks a lot again and g'night all.
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| 20:26 | <alkisg> !bts-todo
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| 20:26 | <ltsp> Error: "bts-todo" is not a valid command.
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| 20:26 | <alkisg> !learn bts-todo as Get rid of cdpinger, use udev rules instead
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| 20:26 | <ltsp> The operation succeeded.
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| 20:28 | * alkisg notes that udhcp doesn't care much about DHCPNAKs... | |
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| 20:30 | <alkisg> root 1640 0.0 0.4 2132 396 ? Ss 23:28 0:00 /usr/bin/ltspfsd
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| 20:30 | root 2295 0.0 0.0 2132 72 ? S 23:28 0:00 /usr/bin/ltspfsd
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| 20:30 | root 2302 0.0 0.5 29780 496 ? Ssl 23:28 0:00 ltspfs 127.0.0.1:/var/run/drives/cdrom /tmp/.root-ltspfs/cdrom
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| 20:30 | root 1644 0.0 0.7 3848 672 ? Ss 23:28 0:00 /usr/sbin/cdpinger sr0
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| 20:31 | So todo #8 is about automatically saving that memory...
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| 20:33 | <vagrantc> alkisg: but you should be able to get rid of cdpinger entirely in all cases, not just in your limited ram case
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| 20:33 | <alkisg> Yup, I got that
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| 20:34 | Btw, how does ltspfsd work? Does it use the ssh socket for encryption?
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| 20:34 | And, is there something wrong above ^? I shouldn't have ltspfs, should I? Is it because of ltsp-pnp?
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| 20:35 | <vagrantc> alkisg: ltspfs is the fuse process for an actually mounted filesystem
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| 20:35 | <alkisg> But isn't that supposed to run on the server?
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| 20:35 | <vagrantc> yes...
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| 20:35 | <vagrantc> but if you have both installed, i think it mounts locally as well by default
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| 20:35 | <alkisg> Ah, for localapps
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| 20:36 | <vagrantc> and rdesktop and such
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| 20:36 | <alkisg> ...couldn't we fix it a bit so that it uses the real mount for localapps?
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| 20:37 | And mount it either as the local user, if it exists, or as some "ltsp" user from which we'd run the rdesktop or other scripts...
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| 20:37 | <vagrantc> we're giving ltspfsd double-duty as an automounter
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| 20:37 | it was gadi's hairbrained idea that he convinced us was good.
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| 20:38 | <alkisg> OK let's see:
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| 20:38 | <alkisg> If rdesktop runs, it can access the files locally whether it runs as root or some local user
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| 20:38 | If localapps are enabled, we do have a local user
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| 20:38 | So I don't think we need ltspfs to run locally in any case
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| 20:39 | We just need to be clever with ltspfsd and automount the media as the correct user
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| 20:40 | Another thought is for ltspfsd to be launched only when some media is inserted, quit when it's removed, and use the ssh socket for encryption
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| 20:41 | <vagrantc> ltspfsd should only run if there's some device that might potentially use it
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| 20:41 | already
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| 20:42 | * alkisg tries without a cdrom inserted... | |
| 20:43 | <alkisg> root 1625 0.0 0.4 2132 400 ? Ss 23:42 0:00 /usr/bin/ltspfsd
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| 20:43 | <vagrantc> unless you've disabled the rules to run cdpinger, it will still run ltspfsd
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| 20:43 | <alkisg> Ah, cdpinger runs ltspfsd?
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| 20:44 | <vagrantc> ltspfsd is started from udev whenever there is something that *might* use it.
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| 20:44 | <alkisg> Wouldn't it be better when there's actual media inserted?
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| 20:46 | <vagrantc> see previous comments about the purpose of cdpinger
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| 20:47 | if you have CD hardware, ltspfsd will start, unless you've configured it to ignore certain events that might trigger cdpinger.
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| 20:47 | in my experience, running it without any devices plugged in only result in ltspfsd starting when you plug a device in.
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| 20:47 | it's been a long time since i've tested that behavior.
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| 20:48 | but i worked to make that possible to remove the ltspfsd call from the init script, and have it be purely udev triggered.
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| 20:49 | * alkisg tries without cd hardware... | |
| 20:49 | <alkisg> Right, no ltpfsd there
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| 20:50 | Cool, so by removing cdpinger we can have ltspfsd only run when media is inserted instead of when a cd rom hardware is available
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| 20:50 | <vagrantc> exactly.
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| 20:50 | <alkisg> One step closer to removing LTSP_FATCLIENT completely :D
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| 20:51 | * vagrantc isn't convinced mounting them "normally" will work out better | |
| 20:53 | <alkisg> Why have the ltspfs/d layer for localapps, rdesktop etc? What are the benefits there?
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| 20:53 | <vagrantc> the automounter/unmounter
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| 20:54 | but if you can make it work better, by all means :)
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| 20:54 | * alkisg hasn't understood the problem completely yet | |
| 20:54 | <vagrantc> and maybe technology has changed since it was implemented
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| 20:54 | <alkisg> Automounting ==> udev -> ltspfsd -> mount as the local user instead of (as root + call ltspfs)
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| 20:55 | So automounting would still work
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| 20:55 | <vagrantc> what's the local user?
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| 20:55 | <vagrantc> from udev's perspective?
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| 20:55 | <alkisg> Either root, for rdesktop, or the user that has logged in, for localapps
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| 20:55 | ltspfsd can detect which user has logged in
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| 20:56 | (localapps include fat clients as well)
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| 21:44 | <markit> anyone here using KDE in Fat configuration, by chance?
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