IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 11 November 2011 (all times are UTC)
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| 00:36 | <petres> Running on Ubuntu 10.4, I changed the subnet for my ltsp segment by editing /etc/network/interfaces and /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf
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| 00:37 | My clients still boot, but when I try to login they always fail, saying they can't communicate with the server.
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| 00:37 | Is there something in the chroot that I need to edit as well?
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| 00:39 | <alkisg> !ltsp-update-sshkeys
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| 00:39 | <ltsp> alkisg: ltsp-update-sshkeys: If you changed your server IP, you need to run ltsp-update-sshkeys, and if you're using NBD (Ubuntu) you also need ltsp-update-image afterwards
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| 00:39 | <petres> good evening alkisg
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| 00:39 | thanks for the answer
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| 00:39 | must be a FAQ ;-)
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| 00:39 | <alkisg> :)
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| 00:39 | Indeed
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| 00:39 | 'night all
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| 00:40 | <petres> g'night.
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| 00:56 | <quietone> newbie here. I'm logged onto the server machine and the session has hung. How do I restart it without affecting the users on the thin clients?
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| 01:07 | <petres> quietone, you might try logging in via one of the clients, using a different ID, and once logged in, run 'sudo pkill -u <ID you used on the server>'
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| 01:11 | <sbalneav> Evening all
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| 01:12 | * vagrantc waves to sbalneav | |
| 01:12 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: libpam-sshauth hit debian testing today
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| 01:12 | <sbalneav> Oh, cool!
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| 01:12 | <quietone> petres, thanks. how do I find the ID you refer to?
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| 01:12 | <sbalneav> And guess what. I got libnss-sshsock going today
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| 01:12 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: ooooh!
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| 01:13 | <sbalneav> passwd and group handling done.
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| 01:13 | <petres> good evening sbalneav; that's good news
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| 01:13 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: now we'll have to plug it all together and watch the fireworks
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| 01:13 | <sbalneav> I'm going to spend the evening doing the "soft" bits; README, man pages, etc. and try to release a
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| 01:13 | package by the end of the night.
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| 01:13 | <petres> quietone, you don't know the ID you used to login on the server console?
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| 01:14 | quietone, does it appear in the top right hand corner of the screen, on the panel?
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| 01:14 | <quietone> petres, yes, I don't know what you mean by 'ID'
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| 01:14 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: i might be able to try and package it up tomorrow
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| 01:14 | <petres> login ID
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| 01:14 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: or maybe sunday/monday
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| 01:15 | <quietone> petres, oh. I see.
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| 01:15 | <petres> just don't use that ID when you login via the client or you'll kick yourself off when you run the pkill command.
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| 01:17 | my ltsp interface is still setting itself as the default gateway for the server, so I end up with two GWs.
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| 01:17 | Anyone have any suggestions as to how to get it to not do that?
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| 01:17 | There's nothing set in /etc/network/interfaces.
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| 01:18 | It also manages to get a lower metric than the outside nic (eth0).
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| 01:20 | <sbalneav> vagrantc: OK, I'll work real hard tonight. :)
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| 01:22 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: heh :)
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| 01:23 | <jammcq> hello friends
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| 01:23 | * vagrantc waves to jammcq | |
| 01:23 | <vagrantc> and heads out...
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| 01:24 | <jammcq> was it something i said?
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| 01:24 | <petres> hi jammcq
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| 01:24 | <jammcq> hey petres
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| 01:24 | <petres> busy place here tonight
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| 01:38 | <petres> In ubuntu, how do I tell if an interface is being managed by Network Manager?
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| 01:38 | <Gadi> sbalneav: just tested libnss -> congrats! you rock!
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| 01:38 | <petres> tell via the command line I mean
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| 01:39 | <Gadi> petres: unless you specify an interface in /etc/network/interfaces, network manager is managing it
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| 01:39 | <jammcq> sbalneav is what we call "scarey smart"
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| 01:39 | <petres> Gadi, both my interfaces are specified in /etc/network/interfaces
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| 01:39 | <Gadi> are they set as "auto" or "manual" ?
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| 01:39 | <petres> But something keeps setting a default route with the ltsp nic as the gateway.
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| 01:40 | They're both set auto
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| 01:40 | perhaps that's the trouble
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| 01:40 | <Gadi> no, that's fine
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| 01:40 | did you restart network manager?
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| 01:40 | sudo service network-manager restart
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| 01:42 | <petres> No, but I recently rebooted (for another reason)
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| 01:42 | <Gadi> sbalneav: found a bug
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| 01:42 | sbalneav: getent group lists the groups but not the members
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| 01:42 | <petres> but network-manager *is* running
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| 01:43 | <Gadi> petres: why not just tell network manager not to set the ltsp nic as the default gw?
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| 01:43 | <Gadi> in fact, the ltsp nic most likely doesn't need a gateway defined at all
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| 01:44 | <petres> Gadi, right, it shouldn't. I can't figure out why it is.
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| 01:44 | <Gadi> what is network manager set to?
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| 01:44 | static?
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| 01:44 | <petres> Let me check...
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| 01:44 | <Gadi> with a gateway?
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| 01:45 | :)
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| 01:48 | <sbalneav> Gadi: I've fixed that today.
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| 01:48 | Preparing to pusg
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| 01:48 | <Gadi> sbalneav: could be that it is because the group names have spaces in them. It doesn't seem to like that with a "getent group 'Domain Users'"
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| 01:48 | <sbalneav> push.
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| 01:49 | <Gadi> ah
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| 01:49 | ok
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| 01:49 | <sbalneav> No, I didn't implement group member functionality until today.
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| 01:49 | here, lemme push.
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| 01:51 | version 15 pushed.
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| 01:52 | <jammcq> sbalneav: Scotty !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 01:52 | <Gadi> still no go for me
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| 01:52 | hmm...
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| 01:53 | <petres> Gadi, NM just lists ifupdown(eth0) and ifupdown(eth1), and neither is editable, so I assume that means NM isn't managing either.
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| 01:53 | <sbalneav> Gadi: with the spaces in the names?
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| 01:53 | <Gadi> ah
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| 01:53 | nm
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| 01:53 | there it goes
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| 01:53 | <sbalneav> I can see now that that's going to be a problem
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| 01:53 | <Gadi> one issue still
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| 01:53 | <sbalneav> yeugh.
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| 01:53 | <Gadi> no, it works
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| 01:53 | <sbalneav> jammcq: hey hey
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| 01:53 | really?\
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| 01:53 | <Gadi> one issue left is doing: getnet group "Domain Users"
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| 01:54 | <sbalneav> right.
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| 01:54 | not sure how I'm going to handle that one. :(
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| 01:54 | <Gadi> but getent group works well
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| 01:54 | let me see how you do it now
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| 01:55 | <sbalneav> We'll
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| 01:55 | um
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| 01:55 | wait
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| 01:55 | might be easy.
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| 01:55 | one sec\
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| 01:56 | <Gadi> snprintf (command, sizeof command, "getent group %s", name)
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| 01:56 | maybe that %s needs quoting?
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| 02:00 | <sbalneav> yeah, just tried that, not working.
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| 02:00 | WHAT KIND OF SICK TWISTED INDIVIDUAL PUTS SPACES IN GROUP/USER NAMES?!?!?!
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| 02:01 | bleh.
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| 02:01 | it's going to be popen that's eating things.
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| 02:01 | grrr
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| 02:01 | <Gadi> romm@romm-desktop:~/bzr/libnss_sshsock$ ssh -S /tmp/gadi 192.168.0.50 getent group 'Domain\ Users'
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| 02:01 | Domain Users:*:513:lew,diane,jana,guest,romm,junwoo
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| 02:01 | that works
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| 02:01 | :)
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| 02:05 | <sbalneav> sbalneav@eris:~/Source/libnss-sshsock/src$ getent group "bad\ name"
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| 02:05 | getent group 'bad\ name'
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| 02:05 | bad name:x:1050:sbalneav,grval,fuse
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| 02:05 | yeah
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| 02:06 | bleh, I'll have to look into how popen's implemented to find out how exactly I have to quote/escape
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| 02:06 | <Gadi> so, the question is, where is the space being dropped? when it is read into a char or in the sprintf?
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| 02:08 | <sbalneav> \o/
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| 02:09 | <Gadi> success?
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| 02:09 | <sbalneav> try rev 16
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| 02:10 | <Gadi> yay
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| 02:11 | <sbalneav> pretty sexy, if I do say so myself.
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| 02:11 | <Gadi> what did you change?
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| 02:12 | <sbalneav> bzr diff :)
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| 02:12 | <Gadi> I already pulled
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| 02:12 | <sbalneav> sing qoutes on name
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| 02:12 | dub qoutes in ssh line
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| 02:13 | back on in two seconds, moving to a different computer
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| 02:14 | <jammcq> let's rearrange all the furnature while he's gone.
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| 02:15 | * Gadi has honey-do chores todo | |
| 02:15 | * Gadi leaves an open beer for sbalneav | |
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| 02:16 | <sbalneav> Back
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| 02:17 | Gadi: seems to be working?
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| 02:20 | <jammcq> I think gadi left for a bit
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| 02:20 | had some chores to do
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| 02:20 | <petres> Gadi left to do chores
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| 02:20 | <sbalneav> Ah, oh
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| 02:20 | kay
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| 02:21 | Spaces in names. <shakes head>. What's the world coming to? First they wanted spaces in filenames. Now spaces in group names.
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| 02:22 | IT'S A MADHOUSE!!! A MAAAAAAAADHOOOOOOOOOUUUUUUUUUSE
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| 02:22 | <jammcq> well....
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| 02:23 | <sbalneav> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQME8mx4DMo
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| 02:23 | <jammcq> hahahaha
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| 02:25 | <petres> Oh, my! So, spaces in name leads to a takeover by the apes? And here I'd been informed that it's started by hunting for alzheimers cures.
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| 02:33 | <quietone> hi, any ideas why 'sudo pkill -u <name>.' would not work? I couldn't kill the processes either.
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| 02:33 | <petres> Aha! If I shutdown NetworkManager, then ifdown eth1, then ifup eth1, it comes up & does not set itself as a default GW.
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| 02:34 | quietone, if you run 'ps -ef' and grep for the ID used on the server, does it find any processes owned by that ID?
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| 02:36 | <sbalneav> quietone: zombie process
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| 02:36 | quietone: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zombie_process
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| 02:41 | <petres> Do most people who are using ltsp on Ubuntu use NetworkManager or not?
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| 02:42 | <sbalneav> I don't. My interfaces are always statically defined.
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| 02:43 | IMHO, for a server, you always want the interfaces statically defined in /etc/network/interfaces, or equivalent.
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| 02:43 | <quietone> petres, I used 'ps -au <ID>' getting lots of processes. I recall (had too reboot server) 'firefox <defunct>'
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| 02:45 | sbalneav, thanks. I always thought 'kill -9' would kill anything.
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| 02:49 | <sbalneav> Not zombies, maaaan, zombies EAT YOUR BRAINZ
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| 02:49 | or something like that.
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| 02:49 | Gahh, I hate writing manpages.
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| 03:03 | <petres> ok, with a sample size of one (sbalneav), out goes network-manager
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| 03:06 | <quietone> we used adduser to make users but some won't log in on some thin clients (seems random to me) but the first one always works everywhere. Did we miss something in creating users?
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| 03:08 | <sbalneav> Possibly. How exactly did you create them?
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| 03:11 | <quietone> sbalneav, sorry we aren't 110% sure if it was adduser or useradd. if it matters system->admin->users and groups doesn't work either. It display data but only the close button does anything.
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| 03:17 | sbalneav, the person who did that bit thinks it was 'adduser'
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| 03:19 | <sbalneav> home dirs exist in /home?
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| 03:19 | have you tried ssh'ing into those accounts from another computer?
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| 03:19 | That may provide a clue.
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| 03:22 | also, it's helpful to check their .xession-errors file.
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| 03:24 | <quietone> sbalneav, I'll look into that
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| 03:43 | <quietone> sbalneav, yes the dirs exist in /home, can ssh into them all. Errors in .xsession-errors
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| 03:55 | Gee, I am overwhelmed by the errors. Not sure where to start
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| 04:14 | <sbalneav> Gadi: check out #18 when you get back; fixed a couple of bugs
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| 04:29 | <sbalneav> Meh, enough hacking for the night
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| 04:29 | Off to bed.
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| 04:29 | night all
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| 05:22 | <quietone> thanks for your help today. Couldn'
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| 05:23 | Couldn't send this earlier as the server locked up, again.
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| 05:23 | ;-)
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| 16:33 | <matrix3000> is it possible on boot to have a fat client modify a file and put its hostname in it?
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| 16:33 | like in a specific place on that file
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| 16:34 | and then relaunch an application
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| 16:36 | <alkisg> Sure, it's easy, what exactly do you want? Btw, did you manage the "send a message to clients" thing?
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| 16:39 | <matrix3000> na, i just did a jabber broadcast
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| 16:40 | same result since everyone uses jabber
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| 16:40 | how would i do that alkisg, cause i want to try puting teh active zabbix client on the fat clients so the fat clients do more load themselves
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| 16:40 | <matrix3000> basically i need on boot the systems hostname to be copied in place of localhost on /etc/zabbix/zabbix-agentd.conf
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| 16:41 | <alkisg> !lts.conf
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| 16:41 | <ltsp> alkisg: lts.conf: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/lts.conf
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| 16:41 | <alkisg> See the RCFILE directive there
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| 16:42 | <matrix3000> ok, and then i could have a bash file be ran basically?
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| 16:43 | <alkisg> Yup
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| 16:44 | <matrix3000> now i guess i need to figure out how to do it in bash
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| 16:44 | now will that RCFILE run that script in sudo permissions?
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| 16:45 | cause /etc/zabbix/zabbix-agentd.conf needs sudo rights to modify it cause its 755 permissions
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| 16:45 | <alkisg> Yes
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| 16:46 | <matrix3000> ok sweet
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| 16:50 | do i need to do anything special to call a $HOSTNAME?
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| 16:50 | from the system
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| 16:54 | sed -i 's/#Hostname=localhost/Hostname=$HOSTNAME/g' $f
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| 16:57 | <alkisg> If HOSTNAME isn't available, you can find it with hostname=$(HOSTNAME)
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| 16:57 | Sorry the opposite
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| 16:57 | HOSTNAME=$(hostname)
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| 17:02 | <matrix3000> crap didn't work
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| 17:02 | it didn't grab the variable
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| 17:02 | it just did a Hostname=$(hostname)
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| 17:03 | ill ask in bash channel
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| 17:15 | ok got the one liner script to do it
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| 17:15 | so i need to make a .sh file now right
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| 17:15 | and put that in rc
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| 17:28 | aaaaah
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| 17:28 | didn't work
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| 17:28 | the script itself should work
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| 17:55 | <matrix3000> ok script works but my RC_FILE01=/etc/init.d/zabbix-fatclient isn't running
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| 17:56 | do i have to put sudo in the command?
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| 17:56 | oh im dumb
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| 17:57 | RCFILE_01 not RC_FILE01
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| 19:03 | <matrix3000> alkisg, that script and modification worked
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| 19:03 | :)
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| 19:11 | <vagrantc> !seen sbalneav
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| 19:11 | <ltsp> vagrantc: sbalneav was last seen in #ltsp 14 hours, 42 minutes, and 32 seconds ago: <sbalneav> night all
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| 19:12 | * vagrantc wonders how sbalneav did on the libnss-*ssh* stuff | |
| 19:19 | <bill_c> !seen rjune
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| 19:19 | <ltsp> bill_c: I have not seen rjune.
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| 19:21 | <Gadi> vagrantc: its working nicely
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| 19:22 | pull down his latest
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| 19:22 | <vagrantc> from where?
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| 19:23 | <Gadi> lp:~sbalneav/ltsp/libnss_sshsock
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| 19:23 | <vagrantc> Gadi: gracias
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| 19:23 | <Gadi> de nada
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| 19:23 | you will need to libtoolize and autoconf and friends
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| 19:23 | and be sure to configure --prefix=/usr
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| 19:24 | (I had issues with it in /usr/local
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| 19:24 | <vagrantc> Gadi: with my last package, i used dh-autoreconf, and it all happened by magic :)
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| 19:24 | <Gadi> ooh
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| 19:24 | * Gadi does not know the ways of the force | |
| 19:25 | <vagrantc> i've got to be useful for *something* now and again :)
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| 19:26 | * Gadi looks forward to tackling the bigger task of putting all the pieces together with a dm | |
| 19:26 | <Gadi> but, that will not be today...
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| 19:26 | :)
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| 19:26 | cheers
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| 19:36 | <vagrantc> hrm. libnss-sshsock is not nearly as simple as libpam-sshauth :(
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| 20:11 | <vagrantc> Gadi: any idea what files should be in the package?
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| 20:12 | http://pastebin.com/tXbiQnKb
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| 20:21 | <Gadi> you don't need testnsslib
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| 20:22 | that is just a test file so you don't need to test it with your nsswitch.conf
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| 20:22 | in terms of the libs, you prolly only need the .so*
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| 20:22 | in the regular package
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| 20:23 | maybe the .a and .la in a -dev package?
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| 20:23 | <vagrantc> Gadi: yeah, i got a lintian warning about the -dev stuff ... though it's small enough that it might not make sense for a separate package
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| 20:24 | <muppis> I got proved my boss today to start study could we use LTSP as base for diskless kvm host. :)
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| 20:24 | <vagrantc> Gadi: but everything is there?
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| 20:24 | <Gadi> to test, add "sshsock" in your nsswitch.conf (for passwd, group), then set NSS_SSHSOCK_SOCKET and NSS_SSHSOCK_HOST env vars
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| 20:24 | vagrantc: I believe so
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| 20:25 | <vagrantc> Gadi: so, configure as above, and establish an SSH master socket (like LDM does?)
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| 20:25 | <Gadi> yeah
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| 20:25 | <vagrantc> Gadi: so the end-user can set those env vars and get different results?
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| 20:25 | <Gadi> so, if you "ssh -M -S /tmp/foo -f -N server"
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| 20:26 | then: export NSS_SSHSOCK_SOCKET=/tmp/foo
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| 20:26 | and: export NSS_SSHSOCK_HOST=server
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| 20:26 | <Gadi> you should be able to getent passwd
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| 20:26 | and have fun
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| 20:30 | <vagrantc> Gadi: thanks, will try!
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| 20:51 | <matrix3000> if I want something to start when the user logs in, lets say i need a file deleted for google chrome
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| 20:52 | i need to do a /etc/xdg/autostart/seomthing.desktop file right
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| 20:52 | once i learn how to type something
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| 21:07 | <vagrantc> Gadi: well, it mostly seems to work. though some groups don't show up
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| 21:08 | <Gadi> such as?
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| 21:09 | <vagrantc> Gadi: kvm is on the server, but not in the ltsp chroot ... it doesn't show up when i do getent
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| 21:10 | Gadi: or is that the low uid/gid that it doesn't pass across?
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| 21:10 | <Gadi> yeah, it may be that
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| 21:11 | <vagrantc> but what if we need those low uid/gid?
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| 21:11 | <matrix3000> can i specify multiple LDM_SESSION variables?
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| 21:12 | [00:11:25:93:CF:02] LDM_SESSION=/usr/bin/myloginscript
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| 21:12 | is in the man page, but I thought that LDM_SESSION was to set the session not run a script
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| 21:13 | <vagrantc> matrix3000: i *think* it can do either, but i'd have to look at the code
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| 21:14 | <matrix3000> vagrantc: thank you, I know that RCFILE_01 will run at boot, and now have zabbix on all the thin clients as a active local taking load off the server :)
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| 21:15 | it's not much but when you have 80 computers and the load is on a single server, that adds p
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| 21:15 | up
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| 21:15 | <Gadi> vagrantc: I am not sure why we have a MINUID - maybe it is similar to ldap?
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| 21:17 | <vagrantc> Gadi: oh, look, i'm ROOT!
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| 21:17 | Gadi: that's my guess...
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| 21:20 | <Gadi> thats a fair guesss
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| 21:20 | gotta run
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| 21:20 | ciao
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| 21:20 | <matrix3000> can i have new lines in a lts.conf
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| 21:20 | like blank lines
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| 21:21 | for separating and organizing definitions
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| 21:22 | or can i do something like TIMESERVER=192.168.2.1 #Configures timeserver for LTSP client
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| 21:23 | <vagrantc> matrix3000: you can definitely have blank lines
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| 21:23 | matrix3000: and comments ... not sure about comments at end of line ... nothing like experimentation :)
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| 21:25 | <matrix3000> haha
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| 21:30 | <vagrantc> wow. i managed to crash my thin client trying to test libpam-sshauth
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| 21:31 | well, testing that and libnss-sshsock
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| 21:41 | <matrix3000> why is SCREEN_07 the default?
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| 21:43 | <vagrantc> X typically landed on tty7 for most distros for ages
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| 21:43 | <matrix3000> ah ok
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| 21:43 | <vagrantc> that's recently changing a bit, maybe, so perhaps it's a historical relic
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| 21:43 | <matrix3000> well it's valid here in my case so
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| 21:47 | only bad thing is
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| 21:47 | other shells provide a root oO
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| 21:48 | i ment tty*
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| 21:48 | so like i did a SCREEN_02=shell, and it gave me a root prompt
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| 21:48 | which me no like lol
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| 21:49 | <vagrantc> that's what it's supposed to do ... what are you *trying* to do?
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| 21:50 | matrix3000: you want a login on the server, or the thin-client itself?
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| 21:50 | <matrix3000> basically a non ldm shell
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| 21:50 | that still requires a login
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| 21:50 | <pscheie> matrix3000, that root shell is only on the client, btw, not the server
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| 21:50 | <vagrantc> and where do you want the shell to be logged into?
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| 21:50 | <matrix3000> oh i got you
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| 21:50 | <vagrantc> matrix3000: typically, there are no users on the thin client
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| 21:50 | <matrix3000> ahhhhh
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| 21:51 | <<< just realized that
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| 21:51 | <vagrantc> so presenting a login there would not be useful
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| 21:51 | <matrix3000> lol
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| 21:51 | yea finally makes sense
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| 21:51 | now how would i make a screen for a ssh into the ltsp server itself
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| 21:52 | <vagrantc> matrix3000: SCREEN_02=ssh
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| 21:53 | <matrix3000> i need to put that on the man page then prolly dont i
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| 21:53 | cause ssh isn't listed
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| 21:53 | haha
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| 21:54 | <vagrantc> suppose so
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| 21:54 | <matrix3000> Currently, possible values include: rdesktop, xdmcp, shell, ldm, startx (depreciated), and telnet
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| 21:54 | <vagrantc> matrix3000: basically, everything in /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/ltsp/screen.d/ should be a valid SCREEN_NN option
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| 21:54 | <matrix3000> oh i dont have access to change that
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| 21:54 | ah ok
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| 21:54 | ill check that
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| 21:55 | <vagrantc> i'll fix it in the upstream docs
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| 21:55 | <matrix3000> ok sweet
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| 21:55 | guess we need to add kiosk menu and ssh in there
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| 22:00 | <vagrantc> matrix3000: name to credit for noticing?
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| 22:00 | <matrix3000> Eric Anderson
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| 22:01 | there's also a few others like the FAT_RAM_THRESHOLD=(VALUE in MB)
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| 22:01 | which is for fat clients, someone finally put it in wiki but its not in the man page
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| 22:01 | <vagrantc> matrix3000: anything you know about that's missing would be great
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| 22:01 | <matrix3000> that's all i think i got for now
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| 22:02 | wait
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| 22:02 | theres
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| 22:02 | <vagrantc> matrix3000: committed the SCREEN_XX update
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| 22:02 | <matrix3000> NFS_HOME= and NFS_HOME_OPTIONS=
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| 22:02 | ok awesome
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| 22:02 | thank you
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| 22:02 | <vagrantc> fatclient isn't even documented
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| 22:03 | <matrix3000> haha
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| 22:04 | testing the # after a definition right now
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| 22:04 | works
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| 22:05 | you can put # after a definition
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| 22:08 | <vagrantc> LTSP_FATCLIENT and FAT_RAM_THRESHOLD committed and pushed
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| 22:10 | <matrix3000> sweet
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| 22:11 | how is your guy's experience with java on ltsp
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| 22:15 | <vagrantc> matrix3000: also briefly documented NFS_HOME*
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| 22:16 | for NFS_HOME* and LTSP_FATCLIENT and FAT_RAM_THRESHOLD it could use some more detail ... but at least it's there.
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| 23:14 | <matrix3000> how do you want me to write the detail, cause I can explain those functions
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| 23:31 | <jvin> Just curious, a while back I saw direction that X11 is being replaced with Wayland at some point which will impact ssh graphical and ltsp .. or is wayland capable of ltsp use?
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| 23:35 | <alkisg> LTSP is more than just remote X
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| 23:35 | E.g. nothing will change about just booting a client and before starting X
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| 23:35 | Or, with fat clients, we don't care if they have X or wayland or whatever, we just offer them a networked disk, authentication, common /home etc
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| 23:36 | <alkisg> About the X part, if it gets really out of the picture, I guess some other elegant way of remote desktop will emerge
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| 23:36 | Spice, nx, freenx, something wayland-specific, dunno, it's too early to judge
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| 23:37 | But it will, as people need that. And we'll just use it in LTSP
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| 23:37 | *freerdp
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| 23:38 | It might even offer session suspend + resume, which we don't (normally) have currently
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