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Channel log from 7 January 2011 (all times are UTC)
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| 02:01 | <gnunux> hi
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| 02:15 | <alkisg> Good morning
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| 02:15 | <muppis> Morning.
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| 02:19 | <muppis> Oh my.. Runned up bridging problem in my virtual world. DNSMasq runned in router and client doesn't get IP from it.
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| 02:20 | kvm based client.
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| 04:17 | <sugoruyo> hi all, quick question: has anyone here ever set up an LTSP 5 environment over an existing Ubuntu 10.10 64-bit desktop?
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| 04:17 | <muppis> Yes.
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| 04:18 | <muppis> Doesn't differ from server.
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| 04:19 | <sugoruyo> muppis: do you have any pointers to some good docs on how to do it? I want to use an Atom machine as a thin client and I only have one NIC on the server machine
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| 04:22 | <muppis> sugoruyo, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP is good site to start.
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| 04:22 | Ok, I lied. It does differ a little. Doesn't need to install X and Gnome, etc... ;)
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| 04:22 | <Appiah> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall
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| 04:22 | "Installing on top of an already running desktop system"
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| 04:23 | I bet that's what you are looking for sugoruyo ^
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| 04:25 | <sugoruyo> Appiah: I've already seen that however I am concerned with the one NIC thing
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| 04:26 | I also have a question regarding the Ubuntu LTSP impl.
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| 04:26 | <Appiah> what about it?
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| 04:26 | <sugoruyo> how do I install stuff for the LTSP users? meaning if I'm running normally on my PC and install something on it
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| 04:26 | <Appiah> I mostly use 1 NIC on my LTSP installs..
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| 04:26 | <sugoruyo> is that accessible to LTSP users as well
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| 04:26 | <Appiah> sugoruyo: install on server , accessiable to all users
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| 04:27 | since they run it from the server..
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| 04:27 | <sugoruyo> or is there something to be done?
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| 04:27 | Appiah: without updating the chroot env. right?
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| 04:27 | <Appiah> correct
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| 04:27 | install pidgin , all users will have pidgin in their menu (example)
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| 04:27 | <sugoruyo> alright, I'll give it a go, meerkat just finished installing
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| 04:28 | also my network already includes a DHCP server (my router)
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| 04:29 | <Appiah> well maybe you should move the dhcping to the router then
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| 04:29 | <sugoruyo> will there be problems with LTSP? I want to use PXE on the client so when it asks for a DHCP lease the router might respond to that first...
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| 04:29 | <Appiah> or your computer
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| 04:29 | pick one
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| 04:30 | <sugoruyo> Appiah: moving it to my computer is not an option, moving it to the router is viable so long as I can figure out what needs to be configured
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| 04:30 | <Appiah> even crappy home routers have dhcp options
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| 04:30 | <muppis> But I've found most doesn't have PXE possibility.
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| 04:30 | <sugoruyo> the router is a Cisco 877 so I have quite a few options for configuration of the DHCP server, I just need to know what to configure
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| 04:31 | <muppis> sugoruyo, you can try to set it to DHCP relay and point it to LTSP server.
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| 04:31 | <Appiah> 017 , 066 and 067
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| 04:31 | Root path , boot-server and bootfilename
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| 04:32 | <sugoruyo> I don't want it always relaying to the LTSP server
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| 04:32 | <muppis> As I tried it one of my own routers, but that part of router fw was buggy. Didn't work at all.
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| 04:32 | <sugoruyo> because this is a home network and the server won't always be on
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| 04:32 | <sugoruyo> so certain things like wifi laptops friends bring along won't work without a hassle
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| 04:33 | can I configure the LTSP dhcp daemon to only respond to requests from a certain MAC? haven't looked into that one
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| 04:33 | <muppis> sugoruyo, sure.
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| 04:33 | <sugoruyo> does LTSP use dnsmasq or dhcpd?
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| 04:34 | <muppis> It doesn
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| 04:34 | It doesn't really matter.
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| 04:34 | <sugoruyo> muppis: that seems like a better option since it will only concern the LTSP server
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| 04:34 | <muppis> sugoruyo, but you should be able to exclude that mac from Cisco.
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| 04:35 | <sugoruyo> muppis: yeah, you're right...
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| 04:35 | <alkisg> Or use https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ProxyDHCP
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| 04:36 | <Appiah> use any DHCP server you like
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| 04:36 | <Appiah> the 3 options however is required for ltsp to boot
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| 04:36 | thats about it
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| 04:41 | <sugoruyo> so if i configure the router DHCP with the options I could use that and disable the LTSP provided one.... maybe I'll set up a static pool for the thin client
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| 04:43 | <muppis> sugoruyo, or you can configure your Cisco to provide all information about boot progress, assumption based to docs founded from Cisco's site.
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| 04:51 | <muppis> I'm stuck to made decision. Build old Celeron 800 MHz w/ 512MB RAM for my kids, but do I hardwire it for LTSP or install locally Puppy/Xubuntu/something light and hook up with wlan? There's no existing wiring in house. Suggestions?
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| 04:53 | I'm already got LTSP for my HTPC.
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| 04:55 | <sugoruyo> if you don't have any cable to do Ethernet running through your place (we installed our own)
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| 04:55 | you should probably go for the local install...
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| 04:55 | you could do a local install and maybe try to use the bigger machine with something like nx
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| 04:56 | i don't know how good your wifi is but if it's good enough NX should approximate the feel of a bigger machine in a home LAN
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| 04:57 | <muppis> I think my 'bigger machine' would die under load. Already running XP in vm for my wife and has only 1 GB RAM.
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| 04:58 | AP is Buffalo G54S with DD-WRT.
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| 04:58 | <sugoruyo> muppis: ouch on the bigger machine
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| 04:59 | yeah you couldn't support a VM for XP + LTSP for the HTPC + either NX sessions or LTSP for another machine on 1GB of RAM
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| 04:59 | and you'd definitely need a real dual core CPU with some oomph to get you there as well (which I'm guessin' the 1GB RAM machine doesn't have)
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| 05:00 | <muppis> sugoruyo, I know. I'm planning to get better mb for it, so could get more RAM. LTSP is just to boot up the machine, actual HTPC (xbmc) is runned locally.
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| 05:00 | E6300 with stock clocks.
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| 05:00 | <sugoruyo> muppis: so the HTPC is a "fat" client?
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| 05:00 | muppis: oh so you have a C2D at least
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| 05:01 | well those run on DDR2 RAM which is relatively cheap nowadays
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| 05:01 | <muppis> But mb does supports only 2GB of DDR2.
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| 05:01 | <sugoruyo> my machine is also an E6300 stock but I have 3GB 800MHz RAM so I won't crap out under load as easily...
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| 05:02 | muppis: yeah those old m/b's (especially early ones) didn't hold much RAM
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| 05:02 | <muppis> sugoruyo, it can be called as fat. It boots up like thin with autologin and Gnome set to autolaunch xbmc as localapp.
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| 05:03 | <sugoruyo> kinda funny when you think about the fact that 64-bit CPUs' main attraction is the ability to address more than 3GB of RAM and most early M/B's for 64-bit system didn't even support 3 gigs of RAM let alone more
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| 05:03 | <muppis> It some sort of crossover-mb. Eats both DDR and DDR2.
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| 05:04 | <sugoruyo> mmmm never been a fan of crossover technological spaghetti
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| 05:04 | <muppis> Got it like freebie along with CPU.
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| 05:05 | <sugoruyo> muppis: on the other hand I've always been a BIG fan of freebies
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| 05:06 | <muppis> Was easy start for me, as got DDR modules lying around.
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| 05:09 | <sugoruyo> muppis: seems like if you've been into computers for a few years you gather up a lot of stuff for different generations of technology...
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| 05:10 | a few years ago I had 4 computers running on a generation of Pentium each (Pentium, Pentium II, Pentium III, Pentium 4)
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| 05:11 | I also have G3 and G4 as well as an Intel-based Mac
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| 05:11 | and lots of other hardware some of which you can't even plug into stuff anymore...
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| 05:13 | <muppis> sugoruyo, since -89 :)
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| 05:13 | <sugoruyo> 89 i was like 3 years old :P
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| 05:13 | <muppis> 10 years old back then.
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| 05:14 | <sugoruyo> i got into computers in '90 when my father drew me the pictures of the keys I had to press on the k/b to get pacman started
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| 05:14 | on an old IBM XT I think
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| 05:14 | wasn't that old back then...
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| 05:15 | first computer I assembled was a Pentium MMX 233 Mhz which gave me the bragging to the most MHz in the school :P those where the days
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| 05:21 | <muppis> So many of hw that remember anymore..
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| 05:22 | <sugoruyo> I still remember my first CD writer a Philips CDD3610
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| 07:29 | <robehend1> muppis: Say, reading the logs, saw that you've setup your HTPC to autologin and autolaunch xmbc. How did you get the autolaunching to work?
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| 07:38 | <muppis> robehend1, as usually done in Gnome. Firstly tested from terminal does xbmc launch at all as localapp and then put that command to be launched. If I remember right, it was just ltsp-localapps xbmc
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| 07:39 | Ofcourse I have own user created for that purpose.
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| 07:45 | <robehend1> muppis: where would i put the command for say, ltsp-localapps firefox ?
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| 07:46 | muppis: kiosk project died on me, so i'm just going to setup autologin by mac address and have firefox auto launch
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| 07:46 | <m4xx> ~/.gnomerc maybe?
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| 07:50 | <robehend1> hmm, ill give it a shot. i'm not that familiar with gnome, as I'm an Icewm guy myself.
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| 08:07 | <robehend1> also, does anyone know of any alternatives to Sabayon to help lockdown Gnome, until Sabayon works?
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| 08:10 | !disable_compiz
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| 08:10 | <ltspbot> robehend1: "disable_compiz" :: To disable compiz, try: sudo gconftool-2 --direct --config-source xml:readwrite:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.mandatory --type string --set /desktop/gnome/session/required_components/windowmanager metacity
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| 08:13 | <m4xx> there's probably a better way but i made a dummy user, changed the settings that i needed then coppied the appropriate files to /etc/skel, mainly ~/.config ~/.gconf and ~/.local
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| 08:17 | <robehend1> m4xx: did it also copy the panel settings?
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| 08:17 | <m4xx> yes sir
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| 08:17 | <robehend1> hmm
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| 08:17 | <m4xx> but that only works if they're new users
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| 08:17 | you would have to copy those to each users ~/
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| 08:17 | <robehend1> that'll work, actually, since I havent deployed this one to kids yet
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| 08:17 | i'd just have to delete the users I had put in, which isnt a problem
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| 08:17 | <m4xx> i dont think the actual users
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| 08:18 | but their ~/
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| 08:18 | <robehend1> if you delete a users home, will it attempt to make one at login?
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| 08:18 | <m4xx> i think so, if not you can use pam_mkhomedir
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| 08:18 | <robehend1> hmm, well it'll work then, until Sabayon gets fixed
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| 08:19 | <m4xx> once you copy your files to /etc/skel
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| 08:19 | i would grep them for your test user name
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| 08:19 | <m4xx> i do something like this for my .desktop files
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| 08:19 | <robehend1> so i cant just put a Desktop folder in the /etc/skel with my .desktop files in there?
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| 08:19 | <m4xx> export USERNAME=`echo $USER | tr '[:upper:]' '[:lower:]' ` && find $HOME -name *.desktop -exec /usr/bin/perl -pi -e "s/%_CONN1USER_%/$USERNAME/g" {} \;
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| 08:20 | you CAN
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| 08:20 | but you will need to do a fix like i just posted
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| 08:20 | <robehend1> hmm, ok
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| 08:20 | <m4xx> i went through my .desktop files and looked for the test user name and changed it to %_CONN1USER_%
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| 08:21 | then that script fires off when they log in and it changes the %_CONN1USER_% to their username
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| 08:21 | again, there are probably better ways to do this, but it works for me =]
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| 08:23 | <robehend1> ha there is a way, sabayon ;) if it doesnt crash on ya
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| 08:24 | heck, since its only 20 users, i think I'm just gonna manually set them up as I go. they are different grades, afterall, so they'd need different links
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| 08:26 | <m4xx> then you can create a script
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| 08:26 | and make different archives
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| 08:27 | group a would get archive a extracted to their home dir
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| 08:27 | and do it at login
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| 08:27 | <robehend1> hmm
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| 08:27 | how would one go about doing that?
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| 08:27 | <m4xx> make a small bash script that fires at login
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| 08:32 | <kohen> exit
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| 08:35 | <robehend1> ah, i get it.
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| 08:35 | if i say, archive up .desktop files, would i have to add a chown or chmod into the script, so they could run it? or does tar perserve permissions
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| 08:36 | <m4xx> it would run as their username so it should set the ownership to them
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| 08:39 | <robehend1> nice
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| 08:39 | well, off to that building. thanks for the help
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| 11:11 | <robehend1> alkisg: I was able to get the kiosk booting to X, but it couldnt find it's browsers after that. I hamboned it into working, but I'm gonna go with broken plugin in 10.04 ;)
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| 11:12 | <alkisg> robehend1: you mean file a bug report?
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| 11:12 | If the file is missing, it's surely broken... ;)
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| 11:12 | <robehend1> alkisg: I'm gonna go through the notes I did while I installed and make sure I can replicate first, and if i can, file report
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| 11:13 | <alkisg> The package list shows that the file is not there, no need to reproduce that part
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| 11:13 | But as for the others, e.g. X not starting, sure, try to reproduce them
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| 11:13 | What was the fix?
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| 11:14 | <robehend1> alkisg: I had to change the KIOSKUSER variable in the kiosk plugin to root, which allowed it to start X from the path. As I said, hambone fix, and not one i'd ever deploy out
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| 11:14 | <alkisg> Ah, no, that's not good patch. Better to get the command line like I told you yesterday and work on it to see what's wrong with it
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| 11:15 | <robehend1> alkisg: tis my plan, after I can replicate
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| 11:20 | <muppis> robehend1, I really don't know where Gnome saves those autolaunches, but it should work sameway like normally setting autolaunching after login.
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| 11:21 | In any desktop enviroment.
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| 11:21 | <robehend1> Hmm, ok. I'll play with it this weekend
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| 11:23 | <muppis> As long as you can launch it from terminal, then you should be able to set to be autolaunched with same command..
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| 11:23 | <robehend1> only thing i'm wondering, and i'll have to test, is having the localapp version of firefox launch compared to the server. I'm not sure if rc.d (if thats what i'd use) accepts the ltsp-localapps flag
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| 11:24 | <alkisg> sure, you can just put an "if [ -n "$LTSP_CLIENT" ]; then ltsp-localapps firefox "$@"; fi" in /etc/xdg/autostart
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| 11:27 | <robehend1> and that'll start after ldm login, correct?
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| 11:27 | <alkisg> Yup
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| 11:27 | <robehend1> out of curioisity, where are all these variables defined, anyways? $LTSP_Client and such.
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| 11:28 | <alkisg> The ltsp init scripts read lts.conf, export its variables, and define some of their own for other uses
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| 11:29 | <robehend1> ah that makes sense then. i was just wondering where it was grabbing them from
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| 11:29 | <alkisg> LTSP_CLIENT is auto-determined by the initscripts, it doesn't get that from lts.conf
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| 11:30 | It contains the client IP
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| 11:30 | <robehend1> figured it wouldnt pull it from lts.conf, as i've never added it to an lts.conf ;)
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| 11:45 | <yeedl> hey yall, trying to get ltsp running with a windows dhcp server and having no luck at it
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| 11:47 | if i set up the windows machine according to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPWindowsDHCP and my ltsp with http://wiki.debian.org/LTSP/Howto is there anything i overlooked?
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| 11:49 | do i need to edit /etc/default/tftpd-hpa as well?
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| 11:50 | <alkisg> What message does the client give you?
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| 11:50 | No boot filename?
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| 11:52 | <alkisg> Btw, if you're using a windows dhcp server, then you should install the "ltsp-server" package, not "ltsp-server-standalone" as mentioned in that page
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| 11:57 | <yeedl> oy
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| 11:57 | i installed the server standalone package and then removed dhcp
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| 11:58 | <alkisg> OK, and the message on the client?
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| 11:58 | <yeedl> lemme boot it up.
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| 11:59 | yea, it fails to get an IP, doesnt even get as far as wanting a bootimage
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| 11:59 | <alkisg> Right, so your windows server is misconfigured
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| 12:00 | <evil_root> its disturbing there are even instructions on using windows with linux
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| 12:00 | <alkisg> Try this from the debian server: (su) /usr/lib/klibc/bin/ipconfig -n eth0
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| 12:00 | Many people are using ltsp with windows... rdesktop, active directory, windows dhcp servers...
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| 12:00 | <yeedl> yeap
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| 12:00 | Create a DHCP reservation for the MAC address you obtained
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| 12:00 | I skipped that step, would that be a problem?
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| 12:00 | errr wait, i did that nm.
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| 12:00 | <alkisg> No
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| 12:01 | <yeedl> evil, heh, we have windows here but wanna use ltsp to boot into terminal services
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| 12:01 | <evil_root> i dont care if people use windows, windows does not count as a server os
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| 12:01 | * evil_root hates windows and all the problems it causes | |
| 12:01 | <alkisg> :)
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| 12:01 | yeedl: paste the output of that command to pastebin
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| 12:01 | !pastebin
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| 12:01 | <ltspbot> alkisg: "pastebin" :: the LTSP pastebin is at http://ltsp.pastebin.com. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebin, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. Don't forget to paste the URL of the text here.
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| 12:02 | <alkisg> (assuming eth0 is on the same subnet as your dhcp server, else put eth1 there)
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| 12:03 | <alkisg> Heh
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| 12:04 | <yeedl> http://pastebin.com/CUyrZzYV
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| 12:04 | <alkisg> And the debian server ip is?
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| 12:05 | <yeedl> 192.168.1.198
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| 12:05 | <alkisg> Hmm are all those 192.168.[0 1 2 3] inside the subnet mask?
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| 12:06 | It looks ok though, try removing the mac reservation...
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| 12:06 | <yeedl> afaik it is
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| 12:06 | <alkisg> ...and better leave it as /ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0, including the slash
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| 12:07 | You're not running etch on the server, are you?
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| 12:07 | <yeedl> i did a shady business as booting this vm, it got a dhcp IP, i set it as manual, using the IP, then added a reservation for it on the win server
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| 12:07 | not that i know of
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| 12:07 | <alkisg> Lenny? Squeeze?
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| 12:08 | <yeedl> for the 3 things that https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPWindowsDHCP discusses, i put /ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0 192.168.1.198 and /opt/ltsp/i386
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| 12:08 | <alkisg> Right, maybe you got the reservation wrong
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| 12:08 | Try to remove it
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| 12:09 | <yeedl> squeeze
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| 12:09 | yea, i feel something went wrong there as well, but there were only 3 things to configure there.
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| 12:09 | <alkisg> VM client? What network booting method does it support?
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| 12:09 | <yeedl> bridged
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| 12:09 | <alkisg> Which vm product?
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| 12:09 | <yeedl> virtualpc
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| 12:10 | :-/
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| 12:10 | <alkisg> Maybe it doesn't have a proper firmware for network booting, try booting it with a gpxe iso or floppy
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| 12:10 | <yeedl> was gunna migrate it to hypervisor once finished messing with it
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| 12:10 | <alkisg> !gpxe
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| 12:10 | <ltspbot> alkisg: "gpxe" :: the successor to etherboot (http://etherboot.org). To download bootable floppy, cd, usb, kernel etc images, visit http://rom-o-matic.net/
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| 12:10 | <yeedl> it pxe boots just dandy with WDS
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| 12:11 | <alkisg> E.g. maybe it requires the boot filename to be inside the dhcp structure and not as an option
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| 12:11 | Try gpxe, it'll also tell you exactly what the dhcp server gives
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| 12:11 | <yeedl> aha
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| 12:11 | alrighty, give me some time
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| 12:12 | thanks btw, quite new with linux here
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| 12:12 | <alkisg> n
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| 12:12 | np
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| 12:13 | yeedl: I recommend downloading gpxe 1.0.0 and not 1.0.1 nor the git version
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| 12:14 | <yeedl> could this be because my IP settings are funky on my ltsp server?
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| 12:14 | <alkisg> The ltsp server could be *powered off* and the client should still try to boot
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| 12:15 | I.e. get an ip and *then* fail with "could not download <filename>" etc
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| 12:15 | So it's not an ltsp server fault at this point
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| 12:16 | <yeedl> gotcha
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| 12:17 | its not getting an IP from the windows dhcp server, not getting as far as ltsp.
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| 12:17 | hmph
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| 12:18 | <alkisg> Press ctrl+b
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| 12:18 | you'll get a command prompt
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| 12:18 | type: dhcp net0
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| 12:18 | config
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| 12:18 | There you'll see what it gets from the dhcp server, if anything
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| 12:20 | You can also try removing the mac reservation and/or booting with a real client, not a vm one
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| 12:21 | <yeedl> ctrl+b on the ltsp or on the client?
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| 12:24 | <yeedl> ahh
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| 12:25 | on the gpxe
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| 12:25 | alright
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| 12:25 | i used gpxe and did config and got a whole nice list
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| 12:26 | the 3 items i configured on the winserver, filename, rootpath and server hostname are not specified
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| 12:27 | so, yea, clearly windows isnt sending out what i tell it to
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| 12:27 | <alkisg> So there's something wrong with your dhcp server
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| 12:27 | Try #windows :D
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| 12:27 | (or remove the reservation)
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| 12:27 | <yeedl> lol
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| 12:30 | hmph.
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| 12:37 | <robehend1> yeedl: I just know how to do that
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| 12:37 | yeedl: make the reservation as normal
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| 12:37 | yeedl: then, go into your DHCP console, right click on the reservation, and select "configure options"
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| 12:37 | yeedl: otherwise, it pulls the same options you have defined for the scope
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| 12:40 | <yeedl> hm
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| 12:40 | lemme give that a try
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| 12:40 | <robehend1> yeedl: I have to do that with my reservations on my windhcp. took a bit to figure out
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| 12:41 | <yeedl> what do you mean, make it as normal?
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| 12:42 | <robehend1> yeedl: make the reservation based on mac address normally. no need to do anything special at that point
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| 12:42 | <yeedl> i found it in my dhcp console, right clicked and selected Add to Reservation
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| 12:42 | and then added those 3 attributes to that resrevation
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| 12:42 | <robehend1> ok, so you have a reservation made, correct?
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| 12:43 | <yeedl> oh, yeap, I took it from the dhcp list
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| 12:43 | <robehend1> yeedl: Ok. in your DHCP console, expand the reservations tree.
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| 12:43 | and you should see your reservation listed, correct?
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| 12:44 | <yeedl> yeap
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| 12:45 | <robehend1> k, in the tree pain, rightclick on your reservation, and select "configure options"
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| 12:45 | that'll let you set your bootfile and such JUST for the reservation.
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| 12:46 | <yeedl> right
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| 12:46 | i added those 3 items
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| 12:46 | clicked apply
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| 12:47 | <robehend1> and do they show up in the right hand side, with a blue computer and gear icon?
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| 12:47 | <yeedl> then restarted dhcp
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| 12:47 | sure do
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| 12:47 | <robehend1> hmm, weird then. thats exactly what i did, and am using it right now
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| 12:48 | <yeedl> erm.
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| 12:48 | i think that is all you need to do, it should be that easy.
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| 12:48 | <robehend1> well, this *is* windows here..lets not get hasty
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| 12:50 | <yeedl> perhaps its not liking it cuz im pulling it from dhcp
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| 12:50 | <robehend1> did you delete the lease?
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| 12:50 | <yeedl> imma try get it a static IP, see if that changes anything
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| 12:50 | hmm the lease
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| 12:51 | <yeedl> inside reservations for the IP, it says lease, default bootp class
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| 12:52 | <yeedl> but under the address leases, it says reservation(active) type none
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| 12:52 | <robehend1> well, then its getting an IP
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| 12:53 | you sure you did the right Mac?
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| 12:53 | <yeedl> i didnt type in a mac address
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| 12:54 | <robehend1> ok, try putting hte MAC address for your client into your reservation
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| 12:54 | <yeedl> alrighty
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| 12:54 | <robehend1> that way, you can be sure that only that client will pull that address. If your doing reservations and want it to work, thats the way to be
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| 12:54 | <yeedl> i added the reservation from the dhcp list, and that list has the mac address
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| 12:54 | does it matter what it says for supported types?
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| 12:55 | <robehend1> i put both
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| 12:55 | <yeedl> the mac address is already tehere
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| 12:55 | <robehend1> wait, how are you adding the reservation. Are you just rightclicking "reservations, and going "new reservation"?
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| 12:55 | <yeedl> and it is correct
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| 12:56 | i right-clicked inside Address Leases and selected Add to Reservation
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| 12:56 | <robehend1> odd, mine only has delete and refresh there. You on Win2k3 or Win2k8?
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| 12:58 | <yeedl> 2k8\
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| 12:59 | <robehend1> ah, that could be it. I'm 2k3
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| 12:59 | <yeedl> hmph
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| 12:59 | dunna why itd be different tho
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| 12:59 | <robehend1> its windows
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| 12:59 | <yeedl> hah
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| 12:59 | <robehend1> same reason they decided to screw with group policy between 2k3 and 2k8
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| 12:59 | <yeedl> i like the preferences tho
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| 13:00 | goodbye login script
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| 13:00 | <robehend1> i liked login scripts
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| 13:00 | easy to test, even easier to deploy, and SUPER easy to transport between domains
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| 13:00 | <yeedl> i did too :-p, much more transparent than the curiosity of preferences
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| 13:00 | <robehend1> all my settings are done via login script at the moment.
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| 13:09 | <yeedl> oh buddy
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| 13:10 | <robehend1> hmm?
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| 13:10 | <yeedl> is it possible i should have configured those 3 items under Server Options instead of adding the ltsp from Reservations?
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| 13:10 | <robehend1> eh, try Scope options instead of server options
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| 13:10 | that way it'll only apply to your current scope
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| 13:11 | <yeedl> word
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| 13:11 | <robehend1> mind you, that'll apply to any other clients who are set to dhcp boot
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| 13:11 | er, pxe boot
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| 13:11 | so you may get some frantic user calling
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| 13:12 | <yeedl> thats fine, none of our machines are set to pxe boot
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| 13:12 | <robehend1> all mine are, but thats just for remote imaging
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| 13:12 | <yeedl> aha
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| 13:13 | <robehend1> got it?
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| 13:15 | <yeedl> dhcp restarting, will see in a sec
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| 13:15 | what do yall use for remote imaging?
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| 13:17 | got it :D!!
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| 13:17 | robehend1: you rock.
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| 13:17 | <robehend1> only at windows. Glad to see my MCSE is worth something
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| 13:17 | and I use FOG for imaging
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| 13:18 | also, you shouldnt have to restart DHCP for those settings to take place. It'll hand it out to the client when it goes for an IP, as long as its not in the leases table
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| 13:23 | <yeedl> oh bummer
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| 13:23 | the hostname isnt specified, no IP
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| 13:24 | <muppis> MS DHCP ?
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| 13:24 | <yeedl> yeap
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| 13:24 | <muppis> Sounded just likeit. :)
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| 13:24 | <yeedl> atleast thats what gpxe tells me
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| 13:26 | hah, ms says: Microsoft does not support the use of these options on a DHCP server to redirect PXE clients
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| 13:26 | how pleasant of them
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| 13:27 | woot. it works. now to get ltsp up and going.
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| 13:28 | <muppis> :)
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| 13:29 | <alkisg> robehend1: what's your opinion on fog? Is it worth the time to setup it properly?
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| 13:32 | <robehend1> alkisg: yes, I've had very good luck on this.
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| 13:32 | <alkisg> How are you using it? For backup/restore, or also for cloning?
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| 13:33 | <robehend1> all of the above
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| 13:33 | i create my golden image, upload it, then deploy it out to a whole lab via multicast
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| 13:33 | <alkisg> Oooh multicast... so (after you spend a week to prepare a golden image) you have a lab ready in < 1 hour?
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| 13:34 | <robehend1> 20 min, usually
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| 13:34 | <alkisg> Sounds good, I wish I used it when I still had windows labs :D
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| 13:34 | Does it work ok with linux images?
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| 13:34 | <yeedl> hows it compare to litetouch/wds?
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| 13:34 | <robehend1> alkisg: havent tried with linux, but it should support it
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| 13:35 | <robehend1> yeedl: faster, but wont change the HCL. on the plus side, with the plugins, you can have it autojoin domains and autochange the host name
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| 13:40 | <robehend1> ha, primary example of windows being stupid: Even though a students H: drive is defined to \\thor\students\%username% , it insists on mounting \\thor\students
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| 13:42 | <yeedl> perhaps you need another slah?
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| 13:44 | <robehend1> nah, all of em are like that. I even went into his AD user account and verified that his folder was showing up correct. It just decided to not listen, and mount the whole student folder
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| 13:45 | <Pweg> do you name all your servers after norse gods? :D
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| 13:45 | <robehend1> indeed i do
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| 13:45 | <Pweg> you are awesome
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| 13:45 | <robehend1> Thor, Odin, Loki, Freya, and the domain is Ragnarok
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| 13:45 | I do greek at the elementary :)
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| 13:45 | <Pweg> that's frightening, haha
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| 13:46 | <robehend1> I enjoy the little things
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| 13:46 | <Pweg> aye, I get a kick out of that as well
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| 13:46 | <robehend1> like naming our Testnav servers Loki and Dionysus
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| 13:46 | <Pweg> heh
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| 13:46 | <robehend1> only thing that threw me for a loop is when one of our past students thought this was amazing, as it reminded him of some anime called Full metal alchemist or something..
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| 13:47 | <Pweg> yea that show has references to the names, not the beings though
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| 13:47 | <m4xx> that's a good cartoon, you should check it out
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| 13:47 | ;x
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| 13:47 | <Pweg> ah, youth. :D
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| 13:47 | <robehend1> still, the little things make me happy. espicially when the kids accept them
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| 13:48 | such as our latest wallpaper including the "Awesome Face"
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| 13:48 | <Pweg> we thrive on punny names here
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| 13:48 | <robehend1> its boring to remote into NT1
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| 13:48 | <Pweg> hehe
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| 13:48 | <robehend1> But if your remoting into Thor? By thunder, I'm down.
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| 13:48 | <Pweg> indee
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| 13:48 | d*
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| 13:49 | <robehend1> i also enjoy setting all the computers to boot into CLI mode on April 1st each year
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| 13:49 | <Pweg> :P
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| 13:50 | <robehend1> or playing with the host file so when they attempt to go to Facebook, it redirects them to http://www.webhamster.com/
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| 13:50 | <muppis> robehend1, and not being available to fix it?
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| 13:50 | <robehend1> muppis: nah, it gets fixed quickly. teachers know about it in advance ;)
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| 13:51 | <muppis> robehend1, ah.
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| 13:51 | <robehend1> enjoy my job to much to not tell them ;)
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| 13:51 | <Pweg> haha
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| 13:51 | <muppis> Heh.
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| 14:19 | <yeedl> so i should install ltsp-server and not ltsp-server-standalone if i want windows to do dhcp?
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| 14:19 | <robehend1> yep
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| 14:19 | <yeedl> any additional packages after that?
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| 14:19 | <robehend1> else you'll get dhcp3 server, which you'll just have to remove
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| 14:19 | not for a basic ltsp, no.
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| 14:20 | <yeedl> gotcha
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| 14:21 | <robehend1> how are you looking to deploy LTSP?
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| 14:21 | <yeedl> want it to connect to our TS
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| 14:21 | so i should follow these directions basically: http://wiki.debian.org/LTSP/Howto ?
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| 14:21 | <robehend1> are you using debian?
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| 14:21 | <yeedl> yup
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| 14:21 | <robehend1> then yep
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| 14:21 | <yeedl> #! with squeezy
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| 14:22 | <robehend1> is your ts win2k8?
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| 14:22 | <yeedl> yup
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| 14:22 | <robehend1> i dont t hink that rdesktop supports that new network level authentication module in win2k8
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| 14:23 | <yeedl> i saw that rdesktop only supports rdp5.0
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| 14:23 | didnt know if thatd be an issue tho
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| 14:23 | <robehend1> i've had issues hooking up to win2k8 tsgateways with rdesktop. issues as in impossible
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| 14:23 | <yeedl> but i regularly use rdesktop to connect to our TS from home
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| 14:23 | <robehend1> ah. well worth a shot then
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| 14:37 | <yeedl> alright, this project will wait til monday, gotta jet. thanks again robehend1
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| 15:00 | <komunista> please, I am playing with settings in /etc/ltsp/ltsp-build-client.conf, but I cannot get SQUASHFS_IMAGE to work
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| 15:00 | I try SQUASHFS_IMAGE="true" and SQUASHFS_IMAGE="True" but without succes
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| 15:00 | how I need set it?
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| 15:09 | <staffencasa> did you try it without quotes?
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| 15:10 | <vagrantc> komunista: what linux distro?
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| 15:11 | <komunista> Debian
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| 15:11 | testing
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| 15:12 | <vagrantc> komunista: does it work with the --squashfs-image commandline option?
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| 15:13 | <komunista> vagrantc: yes, this works OK
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| 15:14 | <vagrantc> odd.
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| 15:14 | <knipwim> the SQUASHFS_IMAGE config file option only works with lenny
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| 15:14 | <vagrantc> i don't see how that's possible.
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| 15:14 | <knipwim> i see in the plugin
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| 15:14 | if [ "True" = "$SQUASHFS_IMAGE" ] && [ "$DIST" = "lenny" ]; then
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| 15:14 | <vagrantc> knipwim: no, that's a special-casing for that
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| 15:14 | special-casing for lenny
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| 15:15 | <knipwim> check, you're right
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| 15:15 | * vagrantc knows vagrantc's way around debian | |
| 15:16 | <komunista> :-)
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| 15:18 | vagrantc: please, where I can find the config file parsing?
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| 15:19 | <vagrantc> there's no parsing, it simply sources the file
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| 15:20 | <knipwim> do your other config file options work?
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| 15:20 | <komunista> vagrantc: OK I have it
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| 15:20 | <vagrantc> ?
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| 15:21 | <komunista> I find file, where config is sourced
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| 15:21 | my english is not perfect ;-)
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| 15:21 | <vagrantc> it's very simple ...
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| 15:21 | i mean, what it does, not your english :)
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| 15:22 | komunista: try with the --debug and see if it loads it
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| 15:23 | <komunista> ok
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| 15:24 | but config file must be readed, because other params here are used...
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| 15:24 | <vagrantc> i don't see how it could possibly not work with SQUASHFS_IMAGE=True
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| 15:25 | non-intuitively, it doesn't use the typical booleans, so it is specifically True
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| 15:25 | <komunista> maybe my mistake... I will see
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| 15:25 | <vagrantc> a typo?
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| 15:26 | at least, that is, if the --squashfs-image commandline works
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| 15:26 | the only difference in the code with using the --squashfs-image commandline is that it sets the SQUASHFS_IMAGE="True"
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| 15:27 | komunista: you could also put "set -x" at the top of the 095-sqaushfs-image module
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| 15:28 | that would give you more information about what it's doing... oh, and "set +x" at the bottom of it as well.
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| 15:28 | we've never made as much use of the debug options as we should
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| 15:28 | to increase the verbosity a bit
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| 15:29 | <komunista> debug option is not very good - a lot of lines :-)
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| 15:29 | <vagrantc> i should make a habit of using debug for comments or something
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| 15:29 | <komunista> I will add some echo and exit 1, to see what I want
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| 15:29 | <vagrantc> komunista: if you exit, you'll likely have problems, since the same file is sourced multiple times
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| 15:30 | or at least, exit conditionally
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| 15:30 | <komunista> but I will see, if the variable value in conditions...
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| 15:30 | ...has proper value
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| 15:31 | it is not in product machine - only VBox playing
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| 15:31 | <vagrantc> well, i assumed that :)
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| 15:31 | but just be aware to reduce your debugging time that each plugin is sourced multiple times
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| 15:35 | <robehend1> have a good weekend, all
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| 15:43 | <komunista> vagrantc: in configure and before-install mode, all seems to work as expected, now I am building whole chroot to see finalization mode, this take time :-P
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| 15:44 | <vagrantc> yup
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| 16:14 | <komunista> hmm, now it works
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| 16:20 | maybe I forgot save file when I change from true to True :-(
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| 16:25 | vagrantc: yes, it works again, it was my mistake, I am sorry
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| 16:28 | <vagrantc> komunista: i think that plugin was written before the boolean_is_true function was available on the server-side package
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| 16:28 | it should be updated to use boolean_is_true
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| 16:29 | <komunista> there is more plugins with it
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| 16:29 | *without boolean_is_true
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| 16:31 | <vagrantc> i can update it is source, but it's too late in the freeze to update for debian.
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| 16:32 | <komunista> vagrantc: no problem for me, but good idea for future use, for others too
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| 16:40 | vagrantc: here http://paste.lubomirr.eu/45485 is simple skeleton for ltsp-build-client.conf with some example values, maybe will be usefull for you
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| 16:41 | what about adding it to ltsp-server examples?
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