IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 6 April 2008 (all times are UTC)
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| 03:42 | <alkisg> Hi guys. On my laptop which acts as an ltsp server (ubuntu hardy), if I press Fn+Left arrow key to turn down the screen brightness, a (software) popup window is displayed that shows the brightness. The problem is that the LTSP clients also see this window!!! Any clues on where to report this bug? (or how to fix it?)
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| 04:58 | <johnny> fun.. x keeps crashing :(
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| 07:23 | <petre> morning all
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| 07:28 | <StevenR> afternoon :)
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| 08:35 | <petre> warren, do you have the link to that list of outstanding bugs for ltsp on f9
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| 08:36 | <petre> the one discussed on March 28
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| 08:39 | <makghosh> warren, unfortunately i got some urgent work (which popped out of nowhere)...so i have won't be physically there in the meeting as scheduled :(....i will follow the logs as soon as i am back
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| 08:40 | and till now no complains about the setups :)
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| 09:04 | <warren> petre: everything is linke d from the home page
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| 09:04 | nothing new to discuss this week.
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| 09:04 | except I had the idea for the Live K12LTPS server image
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| 09:04 | <Q-FUNK> ogra_cmpc: seems that -geode just entered unstable at debian. now, we just need to sync it.
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| 09:05 | <warren> I haven't had time to make it work yet. Fedora 9 is approaching final freeze on Tuesday and I've been hammering out bugs.
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| 09:05 | petre: makghosh: if you folks have any questions please feel free to ask.
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| 09:05 | <petre> how big is the live cd?
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| 09:06 | or rather image?
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| 09:06 | <warren> petre: I will try to make it fit on a 1GB memory stick
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| 09:07 | petre: this means the best way to use it is if you have a 2GB stick
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| 09:07 | <petre> which is <$20 nowadays
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| 09:07 | <warren> well, speed matters
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| 09:08 | <petre> right, but that's just a crap shoot; do they list their speed on the packaging anywhere?
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| 09:09 | <warren> petre: most don't
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| 09:10 | <petre> are most sticks USB 2.0 spec or 1.x? That could account for speed differences
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| 09:11 | <warren> petre: all the sticks I tested claim 2.0
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| 09:11 | petre: but internally they are slow
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| 09:13 | <laga> my 512M stick does 18MB/s according to hdparm, i don't think that's too slow
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| 09:13 | <petre> I've finally got ltsp-vmclient running; no sound though--is that because of pulse-audio-on-client bug or is it just not functional under qemu?
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| 09:14 | <warren> ogra_cmpc: I'm tagging ldm-2.0.2 soon
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| 09:14 | petre: likely both
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| 09:15 | <petre> laga, that might be a good documentation point:
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| 09:15 | <laga> (i don't know what you're trying to accompilish here, though)
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| 09:16 | <petre> "For the USB live image, you will want a fast stick. Test yours with hdparm, try to get one that is greater than <some number> for best performance."
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| 09:16 | booting LTSP server from USB stick.
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| 09:16 | <warren> oh, I hadn't thought of hdparm
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| 09:16 | I tested mine with only file copies =)
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| 09:17 | <laga> petre: when i bought the usb drive for my bedroom media centre, i just looked at the back of the package and there was a speed rating, similar to those found on CD drives. 150x was good enough for me :)
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| 09:18 | <petre> since the alternative will be running from DVD, yeah, 150x ought to be enough for anybody
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| 09:18 | (famous last words) ;-)
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| 09:18 | <laga> heh. :)
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| 09:18 | i also found out that lilo doesn't like the stick to be switched to read-only mode. ;)
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| 09:21 | <petre> laga, what parameters did you use w/hdparm to find read speed?
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| 09:21 | <laga> petre: sudo hdparm -tT /dev/sdb
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| 09:22 | Timing cached reads roughly equals to the speed of your RAM, Timing buffered disk reads is the speed of your block device
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| 09:23 | <petre> the Verbatim stick I carry in my pocket reports 13.3MB/sec
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| 09:24 | <laga> some companies also make very fast sticks
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| 09:25 | "SanDisk Extreme® Ducati Edition USB Flash Drive" - um, ok. that might be overkill :)
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| 09:27 | <petre> warren, what does hdparm report on whatever 'fast' USB stick you're using?
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| 09:27 | <laga> i think the "readyboot" logo might also be a hint wrt drive speed
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| 09:28 | err, readyboost
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| 09:29 | <laga> wikipedia about readyboost: "The device must be capable of 2.5 MB/s read speeds for 4 KB random reads spread uniformly across the entire device and 1.75 MB/s write speeds for 512 KB random writes spread uniformly across the device"
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| 09:30 | i'm not sure if that's a good indicator then
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| 09:30 | <petre> duh, just noticed the bug tracker link on the wiki main page
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| 09:31 | <laga> petre: here are some numbers: http://www.techcrater.com/2007/04/05/readyboost-flash-memory-speed-list
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| 09:34 | <warren> petre: I personally don't have a fast USB stick
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| 09:34 | petre: my fastest is only 4MB/sec
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| 09:34 | <petre> laga, the fastest thumb drive listed is 8MB/sec, but I think the page was last updated a year ago
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| 09:34 | <laga> petre: oops.
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| 09:35 | <petre> warren, are you just booting from the image locate on your hard disk?
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| 09:36 | <warren> petre: no
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| 09:38 | <petre> are you just thinking in academic terms of the performance of booting from USB stick vs. DVD?
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| 09:39 | <laga> flash memory has the advantage of very low seek times
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| 09:39 | <warren> laga: except lots of flash memory was cheaply made and has slow throughput
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| 09:39 | <laga> yup.
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| 09:40 | just got my other thumb drive, it does 22.7MB/s according to hdparm
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| 09:40 | <warren> write?
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| 09:40 | <petre> but it *is* writeable, whereas DVD-RW is more cumbersome
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| 09:40 | <warren> read is typically faster than write
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| 09:40 | write is the speed that I care about
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| 09:40 | <laga> warren: no, read. writing is typically read_speed/2
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| 09:43 | <petre> bbiab...
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| 09:57 | <petre> warren, I'm going to tackle ltsp-server-initialize, since I know more about shell scripting than pulseaudio
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| 09:59 | <petre> with that bit of foreshadowing out of the way, should ltsp-server.conf point LTSP_DEV at ltspbr0 instead of eth0?
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| 10:01 | <cyberorg> petre have a look at kiwi-ltsp-functions.sh here https://forgesvn1.novell.com/viewsvn/kiwi-ltsp/trunk/kiwi-ltsp/ltsp/suse-11.0/kiwi-ltsp-functions.sh?revision=131&view=markup
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| 10:41 | <vagrantc> i've got to test my patches to have both ltspfsd and cdpinger started from udev ...
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| 10:42 | no sense starting ltspfsd if no devices exist.
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| 11:22 | Hello, someone has had problems with kde + localdev? Not to create the link of media on the desktop?
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| 11:24 | <sck-> Curious and that the same system interface with the media gnome appears on the desktop and when mounted in kde she has not mount on the desktop so the link /media/USER someone could me of a hint?
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| 12:23 | <johnny> hi
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| 12:24 | uggh.. i start Xorg -configure is a fail in my vbox :(
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| 12:27 | and my real laptop.. it doesn't find the pxe default config.. :(
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| 12:56 | <johnny> any dev about?
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| 13:14 | <johnny> i'm so close :(
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| 13:19 | <laga> johnny: just ask a question?
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| 13:24 | <johnny> laga, now if only i could provde more details of why i'm stuck :)
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| 13:24 | <vagrantc> well, start explaining the situation ...
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| 13:24 | <johnny> i'm getting there, that was just some whining, cuz i almost had it working :)
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| 13:25 | <vagrantc> heh
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| 13:26 | <johnny> start-stop-daemon just started whining at me out of the blue "/usr/share/ltsp/screen_session is a script and should be started, stopped, or signalled with --exec /bin/sh /usr/share/ltsp/screen_session or you should specific a pidfile or process name
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| 13:26 | "
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| 13:27 | it started and failed before.. so i wonder what i did to it :)
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| 13:35 | <slipttees> hey
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| 13:36 | johnny: ping
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| 13:36 | <johnny> pong
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| 13:36 | <slipttees> vagrantc: ping
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| 13:36 | <johnny> why are you pinging?
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| 13:36 | <slipttees> i have bit problem with ltsp5 man
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| 13:36 | you can help me ?
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| 13:36 | <johnny> oh.. don't ping people personally for help
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| 13:36 | that's bad ettiquette
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| 13:37 | that's not cool at all
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| 13:37 | <slipttees> johnny: i kown
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| 13:37 | <johnny> then why did you do it
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| 13:37 | <slipttees> but none respoding :-(
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| 13:37 | <johnny> i haven't seen a question
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| 13:37 | only me whining about random occurances in the universe
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| 13:38 | <slipttees> question in other day
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| 13:38 | <laga> the other day?
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| 13:38 | it's 20:37 in this part of the world
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| 13:38 | * vagrantc is too tired to think | |
| 13:38 | <slipttees> ups :-(
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| 13:39 | well, ltsp5 in kde don't show me icon localdev in desktop
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| 13:39 | <johnny> there's a patch
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| 13:39 | <vagrantc> tomorrow, i spend 7 or so hours in one of those inconceivable airborn cans.
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| 13:39 | <johnny> your distro should include the fix in the next release
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| 13:40 | slipttees, so next release it should be ready
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| 13:40 | <slipttees> localdev mount media in /home/user but Wont create link in thinclient desktop
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| 13:40 | <vagrantc> well, the patch isn't in a state where i would recommend enabling it by default.
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| 13:41 | <johnny> slipttees, problem known.. fix will come as soon as it is feasible then :)
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| 13:41 | <vagrantc> it puts junk on the GNOME desktops
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| 13:41 | <slipttees> kde ?
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| 13:41 | <vagrantc> the most recent upload to debian includes an example hook to add icons on the kde desktop.
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| 13:42 | <slipttees> compiling ldmount lines mount /home/$user to /home/$user/Desktop
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| 13:42 | <vagrantc> see /usr/share/doc/ltspfs/examples/
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| 13:43 | <slipttees> ok, i try again, see a later johnny sorry for all
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| 13:53 | <johnny> how can i test ldminfod ?
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| 13:54 | <slipttees> ?
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| 14:04 | <johnny> oh.. it was just xinetd.conf.. now it succeeds
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| 14:10 | <johnny> ok.. so.. i get a log file from ldm
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| 14:16 | <slipttees> howto burning cd/dvd in thinclient ?
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| 14:18 | <slipttees> possible burning cd/dvd in thinclient ?
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| 14:26 | <johnny> i imagine so
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| 14:26 | but i don't know anything about it
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| 14:26 | i'm still getting my setup working
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| 14:26 | dberkholz, hey!
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| 14:26 | progress progress :)
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| 14:26 | dberkholz, http://rafb.net/p/b2ljim48.html
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| 14:26 | altho as you can see ..it keeps recycling
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| 14:37 | <dberkholz> johnny: awesome
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| 14:38 | <johnny> i'm not sure what the deal is :(
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| 15:31 | <johnny> assertions :( BUT WHY!
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| 16:18 | <MattyOv> hi all - I had a really annoying problem which I solved the other day at home with some help from here - and now I am off at the place I am installing stuff I left the notes b ehind - AHHH. It is basically a problem with my clients hanging. Can anoyone help with some pointers
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| 16:20 | <johnny> dberkholz, you around?
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| 16:22 | <dberkholz> johnny: just on my way out, i'll bbiab
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| 16:22 | <johnny> oh :(
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| 16:23 | <dberkholz> johnny: if you post something in the meanwhile, i can take a look and see if i have any ideas
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| 16:23 | just going to pick up food
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| 16:23 | <johnny> i need gdb help
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| 16:23 | <dberkholz> http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/qa/backtraces.xml might
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| 16:23 | or google for gdb basics, gdb howto, etc
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| 16:23 | anyway bbiab
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| 16:24 | <MattyOv> my ltsp clients hang at the 'negotiation: size=143500KB' phase
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| 16:24 | any ideas? (please) ;)
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| 16:25 | Before I think it was something to do with X not starting - but I am not so sure now :S
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| 16:28 | I have changed th color depth but I think that might not be enough
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| 16:33 | Does anyone have any advice on how to troubleshoot the problem - is there some logs I can look at for example (my thin clients are hanging at the negotiation: phase)
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| 19:27 | <lns> Is there any such thing as a peer-to-peer LTSP cluster type setup (requiring no server) ?
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| 19:35 | <infinitiguy> Can anyone help me with a LTSP chroot issue?
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| 19:35 | I had some localdev problems in the ubuntu ltsp-server-standalone package.. but otherwise had thin client working...
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| 19:36 | and followed debug info from this location... https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebugLocalDev
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| 19:37 | After setting the chroot root passwrd and doing ltsp-update-image the client now gets a permission denied for configure-x.sh
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| 19:37 | ??
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| 19:46 | <lns> infinitiguy, well obviously it's something done with the customization of the default chroot image..it's a matter of figuring that out.
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| 19:46 | if the clients were booting before the mod
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| 19:47 | <infinitiguy> yes they were
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| 19:48 | i thnk maybe there's an issue with $ARCH recognition in a script...
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| 19:48 | <lns> i'm not sure (i don't delve TOO deep into scripts, unless it's obvious)
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| 19:49 | <infinitiguy> only because I saw an arch error in /etc/ltsp/dhcp.conf pointing to /opt/ltps/i386 instead of /opt/ltsp/amd64
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| 19:49 | and during the ltsp-update-image.. i got a message about not finding /opt/ltsp/386..
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| 19:51 | but it still finished its update... however the client runs into a /etc/rc2.r/S20ltsp-client-core: 162: /usr/lib/ltsp/configure-x.sh: Permission Denied
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| 19:51 | during the client boot sequence
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| 19:51 | and i see a login prompt.. but the root - passwd i set gives me a user account expired error
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| 19:52 | and that's ll i can get
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| 19:52 | ll=all
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| 20:03 | <lns> infinitiguy, are your thin clients i386?
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| 20:04 | <infinitiguy> the will run emt64
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| 20:04 | and i386
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| 20:04 | <infinitiguy> but the thing is that they worked before the chroot /opt/ltsp/amd64 # passwd
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| 20:05 | <infinitiguy> so i doubt if its a 64 bit kernel issue...
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| 20:07 | <lns> when you built the amd64 chroot, did you specify --arch amd64 in ltsp-update-image ?
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| 20:09 | <infinitiguy> no.. it was built by ubuntu ltsp-server-standalone v5.0.040~bzr...
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| 20:10 | ohh. but for the update image..
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| 20:10 | hmmm
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| 20:10 | let me try that, because i did that one manually
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| 20:13 | <infinitiguy> ok i did get a chroot message "chroot: cannot change root directory to /opt/ltsp/i386: No such file or directory exists
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| 20:13 | and it continues to builf the update
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| 20:14 | as before
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| 20:14 | <infinitiguy> then.... the client has the permission denied issue again...
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| 20:20 | <infinitiguy> i wonder if i should delete the /opt/ltsp directory and reinstall the standalone server to try again?
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| 20:21 | ls
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| 22:32 | <johnny> hi
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| 23:24 | <johnny> hey..
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