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Channel log from 11 March 2009 (all times are UTC)
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| 03:18 | <Guest42335> hi all, i am having trouble getting ltsp to run in fedora, if someone could help that would be great
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| 03:19 | i have fedora 10 k12linux, i jhave followed the instructions on the website but cannot connect the thin client
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| 03:23 | is there a way to view a log file to see what is going on?
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| 04:19 | <kaos01> im running ltsp5 on fedora10, ldm login seems to take very long
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| 05:20 | <alkisg> Erm... testing jaunty... On the clients, the gnome volume mixer shows me the sound devices that the server has, not the client. So the volume control on the client actually controls the server sound volume. I haven't tested this before; did it use to work on previous versions / other distros?
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| 05:29 | <Nubae> I cant really test jaunty yet as there is no fglrx support yet and my clients need that :-(
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| 05:35 | <alkisg> Nubae: did the sound volume control really work in 8.04 or 8.10 or in other distros?
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| 05:36 | <Nubae> I remember it worked to some extent
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| 05:36 | but not fully, no
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| 05:37 | <Nubae> but sound did work on the clients, I think it was mainly controlled through lts.conf though
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| 05:38 | <alkisg> Yeah, I do have sound on the clients, it's just the first time I noticed the volume control behavior...
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| 05:44 | <kaos01> can i stop frm fuse mounting homedirectory in ltsp5 ?
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| 05:45 | i just want to see if it increases login time
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| 05:51 | <cyberorg> kaos01, you have ltspfs installed in client image?
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| 05:55 | <kaos01> no
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| 05:56 | on the thin client i can see my home directory mounted, thought it would be interestign to see if login would speed up if i disabled the mounting ogf $HOME
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| 05:57 | loging in via ldm is seriously slow :(
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| 06:00 | also im having problems setting valies in [IP] sections only [default] seems to take affect
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| 06:05 | <cyberorg> kaos01, try LOCALAPPS=false
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| 06:10 | <kaos01> yes, that got rid of the $HOME mount ..
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| 06:13 | <cyberorg> kaos01, try [MAC:ADD:RE:SS]
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| 06:13 | what distro is it?
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| 06:17 | <kaos01> fedora10
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| 06:19 | from the time i enter username/password into ldm and a X session coming up takes 4 minutes
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| 06:19 | <cyberorg> thats very low, is booting normal?
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| 06:19 | <kaos01> seems to be
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| 06:21 | <cyberorg> kaos01, tried switching DE such as kde/xfce/icewm? how much ram you got on the client?
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| 06:21 | <kaos01> oh the client is a brand new dell
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| 06:21 | so i dont think it shoudl be a problem,
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| 06:22 | <cyberorg> here are some variables you can turn off http://en.opensuse.org/LTSP/Tips_and_Tricks#Increasing_performance_on_low_end_client_hardware
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| 06:23 | <kaos01> curious if it might be some sort of network lookup problem
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| 06:23 | <cyberorg> one of them might be at fault. check ldm.log from the client
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| 06:26 | <kaos01> mmm, time stamps would be interesting in ldm.log
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| 06:29 | <cyberorg> find out how long it takes to "ssh -X serverIP /path/to/Xsession" from another normal PC
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| 06:38 | <kaos01> it takes about 6 seconds
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| 06:39 | on the client in messages nbd9 (whatever that is) seems to be taking some time
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| 06:46 | <tomicich> anyone using thin clients with 1680x105 resolution?
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| 06:58 | <yggdrasill_> any of you uses displays 1680x1050 resolution on thin clients?
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| 07:05 | <alkisg> yggdrasill_: why is the exact resolution important?
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| 07:06 | <yggdrasill_> I've a problem with..
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| 07:07 | I can briefly explain
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| 07:08 | s start but it is like if the graphich card is not recognized
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| 07:08 | I checked the Xorg.1.log
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| 07:08 | and the card is correctly probed
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| 07:09 | <alkisg> yggdrasill_: then you should mention your distro, the distro version, your graphics card etc, not your resolution...
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| 07:09 | <yggdrasill_> but then the final result is that the screen start at 460x480
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| 07:09 | ubunto lts 8.04
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| 07:09 | <alkisg> Put xorg.1.log to pastebin:
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| 07:09 | !pastebin
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| 07:09 | <yggdrasill_> the card is a ati radeon x1250
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| 07:09 | <ltspbot> alkisg: "pastebin" is try !pastebot
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| 07:10 | <alkisg> !pastebot
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| 07:10 | <ltspbot> alkisg: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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| 07:11 | <yggdrasill_> at the moment I 'm at home, later I'll get back to work and I will post the log
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| 07:13 | <yggdrasill_> if I connect my laptop and I use pxe (the laptop has an old ati card) the system boot correctly and probe the correct resolution (1024x768)
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| 07:15 | <alkisg> yggdrasill_: maybe it doesn't detect the monitor correctly; e.g. I had to force specific horizsync and vertrefresh timings in one of my labs.
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| 07:16 | The logs will tell :)
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| 07:20 | <yggdrasill_> yes. I'll post the log
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| 07:36 | <kaos01> "A new version of teh system is available" what on earth is that ?
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| 07:41 | <ogra> a very badly worded message ?
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| 07:42 | <kaos01> haha
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| 07:42 | after that my ltsp client rebooted
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| 07:43 | <ogra> yeah, it should be more explanatory
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| 07:43 | <kaos01> i mean when does thsi happen, when chroot is updated ?
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| 07:43 | <ogra> it wants to tell you that the admin on the server updated your thin client environment and that it needs to reboot to make the newe changes take effect
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| 07:44 | feel free to file a bug with a better text, i fully agree thats a very bad wording
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| 07:44 | <kaos01> first time i seen the message, it scared me, haha
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| 07:44 | oh no i dont mind teh text, i just didnt know what the whole reboot was about :)
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| 07:46 | dies the chroot image get loaded inot RAM is is it mounted usinf nbd ?
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| 07:46 | <ogra> right, and thats what the text is for :)
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| 07:46 | if it scared you and didnt explain it good enough, thats a bug
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| 07:54 | <cliebow> ogra will db4.7-util conflict with existing db4.2-util?
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| 07:54 | <ogra> uff ... no idea
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| 07:54 | <cliebow> heehee!
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| 07:54 | <ogra> if both are packaged the packaging system should care
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| 07:55 | if you complie yourself from upstream source, i dont know
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| 07:55 | <cliebow> give it a whirl..im pretty good at reinstalling
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| 07:55 | <ogra> heh
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| 07:56 | <cliebow> packaging didnt complain..
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| 07:56 | <Nubae1> jaunty gdm screen is very nice
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| 07:57 | <ogra> yeah, to sad its using to many elements we cant use in ldm
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| 08:43 | <marius--> hi all
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| 08:44 | i need help with my ltsp server i want to integrate the user login to an ldap service but i cant connect with the user data
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| 08:50 | <Lumiere> marius--: you should just need to make the login on the server work with ldap
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| 08:51 | <marius--> i would like to but the ltsp and the ldap are on the same server
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| 08:52 | and with nss i cannot boot my server anymore
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| 08:52 | so how can i resolve this problem?
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| 08:53 | <AmosSam> knipwim: are you here?
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| 09:05 | <AmosSam> when i boot thin client i get following error:
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| 09:05 | mount: RPC: Unable to send; errno = Network is unreachable
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| 09:06 | !! NFS Mounting failed. Is the path correct ?
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| 09:06 | <ltspbot> AmosSam: Error: "!" is not a valid command.
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| 09:06 | <AmosSam> !! NFS Mounting failed. Is the path correct ?
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| 09:08 | <vagrantc> heh. looking at the last update for the greek translations, seems like we've got a few more strings that just plain don't need to be translated.
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| 09:09 | <AmosSam> and i can mount that path from other computer in network
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| 09:32 | <AmosSam> any help with mounting nfs root??
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| 09:33 | <vagrantc> AmosSam: what linux distro and version are you running?
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| 09:33 | (i just got here, in case you already answered)
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| 09:33 | <AmosSam> gentoo and ltsp-5
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| 09:34 | <vagrantc> that would be johnny's area of expertise :)
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| 09:34 | <AmosSam> last night i successfully build client's filesystem, and VM is booting from network until the point where it should mount root
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| 09:35 | <johnny> do you have the proper network module built into the initramfs
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| 09:36 | <AmosSam> i suppose; i i'm using genkernel that is build with ltsp-build-client script
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| 09:36 | <johnny> you have to go back in
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| 09:36 | linux32 chroot /opt/ltsp/x86
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| 09:36 | and then edit /usr/share/genkernel/x86/modules_load
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| 09:37 | and add your network module
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| 09:37 | until the genkernel folks make it easy for us to add all the network modules
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| 09:37 | and then run genkernel initrd
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| 09:37 | <ltsppbot> "vagrantc" pasted "remove more non-translateable strings?" (35 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/277
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| 09:37 | <vagrantc> does that look right to folks? ^^
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| 09:38 | <AmosSam> does it makes any difference that gentoo minimal cd is recognizing network?
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| 09:39 | <AmosSam> johnny: path "/usr/share/genkernel/x86/modules_load" doesn't exists. shall i create it?
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| 09:40 | <johnny> no
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| 09:40 | did you chroot first?
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| 09:40 | as i mentioned
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| 09:40 | <ogra> vagrantc, looks fine to me
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| 09:40 | <AmosSam> yes
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| 09:41 | <johnny> genkernel ? /usr/share/genkernel
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| 09:42 | <AmosSam> /usr/share/genkernel exists, but x86 inside doesn't
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| 09:43 | <vagrantc> ogra: i wasn't sure if i needed to remove just the _ or the whole _() stuff
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| 09:43 | <ogra> _ should suffice
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| 09:44 | <vagrantc> which would be "better" ?
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| 09:44 | <johnny> what exactly do you have in there?
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| 09:44 | !pastebot
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| 09:44 | <ltspbot> johnny: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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| 09:45 | <AmosSam> ok, just a sec
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| 09:46 | <ogra> vagrantc, i think the way you did it is good
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| 09:46 | <ltsppbot> "AmosSam" pasted "content of /usr/share/genkernel/" (17 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/278
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| 09:46 | <vagrantc> ogra: ok, just weak enough on my C that i didn't want to commit without some basic review :)
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| 09:47 | if it compiles, i'll commit :)
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| 09:47 | <AmosSam> here you go johnny
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| 09:48 | <johnny> maybe it's arch/x86
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| 09:48 | sorry.. my gentoo box is kinda down atm
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| 09:48 | <AmosSam> you are right!
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| 09:48 | i newer used genkernel before...
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| 09:49 | <johnny> you're going to have to manually specify your NICs in modules_load via MODULES_NET
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| 09:49 | <johnny> you can delete all the rest except MODULES_FS
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| 09:49 | <AmosSam> it says: "e1000 tg3"
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| 09:49 | <johnny> and you can tweak that down to nfs
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| 09:49 | yes.. change it to whatever nic you need
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| 09:49 | and then genkernel initrd
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| 09:50 | <AmosSam> and i how can i see what module is loaded in minimal cd? for intel 82540EM Gigabit
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| 09:51 | <russell_nash> Hi, I just thought that I would let you know after my visit 2 days ago that LTSP is working on my jaunty install as of yesterday, when there was an update to the LTSP package. I just hope that it stays that way and doesn't get broken by changes like before. Thanks.
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| 09:53 | <AmosSam> johnny: i need e1000 module, and that one is already listed for loading
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| 09:56 | <johnny> russell_nash, don't count on it.. that's why it's still alpha
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| 09:57 | if it breaks.. you get to pick up all the pieces
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| 09:57 | AmosSam, weird.. is your nfs server actually running?
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| 09:57 | <russell_nash> true, but if it works at all it is better than my hardy expereinces
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| 09:58 | <AmosSam> yes, i can mount /opt/ltsp/x86 from other computer, and from inside vm when i boot it with minimal cd!
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| 09:58 | <johnny> weird
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| 09:59 | <AmosSam> and easyest way to see is e1000 module one i need is to rmmod it from livecd, and interface dissapears, and when i do modprobe e1000 it comes again
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| 10:00 | in 15 or 20 min kernel compilation will be finnished... but in fact I didn't changed anything except that i removed uneeded modules...
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| 10:00 | <johnny> do you see it loaded within initramfs ?
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| 10:00 | you didn't need to compile the kernel
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| 10:00 | just need to run genkernel initrd
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| 10:01 | <AmosSam> it throws this:
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| 10:01 | Error: Unknown option 'initrd'!
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| 10:02 | <johnny> maybe the renaming is complete then.. try genkernel ramdisk
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| 10:03 | <ltsppbot> "vagrantc" pasted "more translateable string stuff" (34 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/279
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| 10:03 | <vagrantc> ogra: does that look ok?
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| 10:04 | <AmosSam> and yes, initramfs loads e1000 module
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| 10:04 | <ogra> vagrantc, yep
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| 10:04 | <johnny> then i'm confused.. it should work
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| 10:04 | maybe it's your vm setup then
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| 10:04 | try pining the server perhaps?
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| 10:05 | <AmosSam> well, server and vm are on the same machine
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| 10:05 | <johnny> sure
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| 10:05 | <AmosSam> vm is configured correctly beause i can ping outside livecd inside vm, and it get's it's IP
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| 10:06 | <johnny> and you cant manually mount it?
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| 10:06 | <AmosSam> from livecd? yes, i can!
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| 10:06 | <johnny> no
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| 10:06 | from the vm
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| 10:06 | err from the initramfs
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| 10:08 | <AmosSam> i don't follow you anymore! when i boot vm with livecd then i can mount, but when i boot vm from network it cant' mount root
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| 10:08 | <johnny> so try mounting it manually
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| 10:09 | from the initramfs
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| 10:09 | <AmosSam> how?
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| 10:09 | <johnny> same way as you did on the livecd?
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| 10:09 | mount -t nfs ......
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| 10:09 | just for testing purposes of course
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| 10:10 | <AmosSam> but how? it throws kernel panic! on livecd i get shell
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| 10:11 | <vagrantc> hmmm... last patch needs some reworking...
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| 10:12 | <AmosSam> can i get busybox shell from initrd?
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| 10:12 | or something similar?
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| 10:15 | <johnny> oh.. it usually does drop you to a shell
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| 10:15 | so.. what is your tftp directory pointing to anyways?
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| 10:15 | and what's in it
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| 10:15 | err tftp server directory*
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| 10:16 | <AmosSam> pointing? it's in /opt/ltsp/tftproot
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| 10:17 | and i have pxelinux.0 file and pxelinux.cfg directory
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| 10:17 | <johnny> the standard directory is /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/x86 .. but that matters little.. but i might refer to it that way
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| 10:17 | and what else?
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| 10:17 | <AmosSam> iniramfs and kernel
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| 10:18 | <johnny> and your pxelinux.cfg/default looks like?
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| 10:18 | <AmosSam> kernel kernel-genkernel-x86-2.6.27-gentoo-r8
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| 10:18 | <johnny> show me the whole line
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| 10:19 | * johnny needs to make an eselect module some day.. | |
| 10:19 | <johnny> to handle this
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| 10:19 | <AmosSam> append initrd=initramfs-genkernel-x86-2.6.27-gentoo-r8 init=/linuxrc ip=dhcp root=/dev/nfs nfsroot=192.168.84.11:/opt/ltsp/x86
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| 10:19 | <johnny> hmm..
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| 10:20 | <faustino333> i'm tryng to build ltsp-client for i386 in amd64 machine
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| 10:20 | <johnny> add -a i386
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| 10:20 | that's it..
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| 10:21 | AmosSam, i'm going to look at my gentoo box in a minute.. even though the net won't work :(
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| 10:21 | <AmosSam> ok
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| 10:21 | <faustino333> but it keeps getting out with an error it says that it's missing edebuntu-artwork usplash
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| 10:22 | <AmosSam> the worst part is that i successfully build diskless gentoo last year with manual kernel config and manual iniramfs...
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| 10:25 | <dberkholz> johnny: i just added a note at the top of http://dev.gentoo.org/~dberkholz/ltsp/setup.txt pointing people to the correct setup so they stop trying to use that
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| 10:32 | <AmosSam> johnny: i just booted again terminal and i noticed line in kernel output, just before it starts to load modules.
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| 10:33 | IP-Config: no network devices (or something like that)
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| 10:33 | <johnny> mine is
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| 10:33 | DEFAULT bzImage initrd=initramfs root=/dev/ram0 real_root=/dev/nfs nfsroot=ip:/path
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| 10:35 | <AmosSam> i'll try
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| 10:36 | same error
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| 10:37 | <vagrantc> i wish i had made these translateable string changes earlier, as it reduces the number of translated strings from 52 to about 46 ... and i just put out a call for translations
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| 10:37 | <AmosSam> how can i tell genkernel to build network driver inside kernel not as a module?
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| 10:38 | <johnny> by running with --menuconfig option
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| 10:38 | on genkernel
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| 10:39 | <AmosSam> ok, and just one more thing; do i need to mount proc and dev inside chroot just for building kernel?
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| 10:39 | <johnny> don't think so
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| 10:39 | <AmosSam> ok
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| 10:39 | <johnny> just make sure you chroot with liinux32 prefixed if running on amd64 system for x86 chroot
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| 10:40 | <AmosSam> i'm on x86 host
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| 10:43 | <AmosSam> ok, i configured it and it compiles kernel, i'll be back in 15 min
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| 10:47 | <Gadi> vagrantc: hey, if you get a chance to test that latest patch I pushed to ltspfs, I would be much obliged. I have been sick as a dog and not as near to a testbed as to a real one
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| 10:47 | just make sure it didn't break anything on debian wrt local dev
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| 10:48 | <vagrantc> Gadi: ok
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| 10:48 | * vagrantc wishes Gadi well | |
| 10:49 | <ogra> and the dogs too
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| 10:49 | <Gadi> :)
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| 10:49 | thx
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| 10:55 | * vagrantc wonders if mountpoint is available on all distros | |
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| 11:01 | <cyberorg> vagrantc, it is on opensuse
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| 11:04 | <vagrantc> something like "if mountpoint -q $DEVICE" might be easier than checking the output of the failed mount command...
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| 11:09 | <johnny> vagrantc, it exists on fedora
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| 11:10 | <johnny> also on gentoo
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| 11:11 | vagrantc, so.. seems on all supported distros, it does exist :)
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| 11:19 | <Gadi> seems to come from the "initscripts" pkg in ubuntu
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| 11:19 | <Gadi> weird
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| 11:20 | <cyberorg> stgraber, can you have a look at my ltsp-cluster-control please, i cant figure out how to add clients
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| 11:27 | <AmosSam> johnny: btw, i needed to modify ldm ebuild to get it build. i put "app-text/iso-codes" and "dev-util/intltool" into RDEPEND section of ebuild
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| 11:27 | <johnny> AmosSam, yes.. i know of this.. hopefully to be fixed soon
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| 11:27 | as i said. my gentoo box is giving me fits atm.. so i can't do it myself
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| 11:27 | trying to get another person to take care of it
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| 11:28 | i forgot to ping him last night.. i'll try to remember tonight
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| 11:28 | <AmosSam> ok, because i saw on bugs.gentoo.org that it should be added only iso-codes
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| 11:29 | <johnny> yes.. i didn't know intltool was needed, i thought that was already in the base
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| 11:29 | i'll tell him to add it too
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| 11:29 | <AmosSam> do you need help with that box? i have big hammer at hand! :-)
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| 11:32 | and also, ltsp-build-client successfully builds client filesystem from funtoo stage3, with small modifications..
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| 11:34 | <johnny> other than that?
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| 11:34 | that should be the only mod necessary for ldm
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| 11:34 | after that.. everything else will build fine
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| 11:34 | last i checked anywaysy
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| 11:36 | <AmosSam> yes, but if you use funtoo stage3 it dies on part where it tries to delete /etc/localtime
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| 11:36 | <johnny> hmm? weird
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| 11:38 | hmm.. must be a bug in quickstart then
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| 11:38 | <AmosSam> line 203 of /usr/share/quickstart/modules/install_steps.sh states
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| 11:38 | [ -e "${chroot_dir}/etc/localtime" ] && spawn "rm ${chroot_dir}/etc/localtime" || die "could not remove existing /etc/localtime"
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| 11:38 | yes, quickstart makes problems
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| 11:39 | i just commented out that line and after that everything is ok
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| 11:40 | <johnny> which quickstart version is that?
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| 11:41 | <AmosSam> 9999. that's svn?
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| 11:41 | <johnny> ahh ok
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| 11:41 | why would that cause a problem tho? it only deletes it if it exists
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| 11:42 | <AmosSam> i don't know. that was strange to me too
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| 11:46 | ok, small progress with my booting client. kernel sends dhcp requests but it doesn't get reply.
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| 11:46 | and in my messages log i don't see nothing
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| 12:11 | <AmosSam> johnny: when it boots, it tries to mount nfs root on "/newroot". but, where is that directory located?
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| 12:11 | <johnny> in the initramfs
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| 12:11 | or should be
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| 12:12 | so you can switch root over to it
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| 12:12 | <AmosSam> how can i check that?
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| 12:12 | <AmosSam> i tried with only root=/dev/nfs and yours "root=/dev/ram0 real_root=/dev/nfs"
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| 12:12 | but same error
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| 12:15 | when i boot a real computer, kernel get's it's ip address whereas vm doesn't :-(
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| 12:15 | so i'll try now build default genkernel and see what is the difference
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| 12:55 | <vagrantc> ok, so now the question is, does mountpoint behave the same on all distros? :)
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| 12:57 | Gadi: i'm not sure i can really test your changes- the local mounting stuff with 0.5.10 is even more broken than 0.5.9 ...
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| 12:58 | <Gadi> well, I am just worried about having broken normal mounting
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| 12:58 | :)
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| 12:59 | can you tell me a bit more about what kind of brokenness you are finding?
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| 13:18 | <vagrantc> Gadi: it does a mounts in /tmp/.None-ltspfs/ and no mounts in /media
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| 13:20 | <Gadi> seems USER is undefined
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| 13:20 | <vagrantc> right
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| 13:20 | <AmosSam> johnny: finaly it boot's! after I enable bootp protocol in kernel. but, how long it takes to pass part of init where it says "Setting up LTSP client"
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| 13:20 | <vagrantc> Gadi: you had changed it from hard-coding root to checking for an sshfs mount of /home and deriving the username from that
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| 13:20 | <Gadi> on debian, does: su <someuser> -c "echo $USER"
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| 13:20 | come up empty?
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| 13:21 | oops
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| 13:21 | use single quotes
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| 13:22 | <vagrantc> that works ...
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| 13:23 | <Gadi> vagrantc: ah, right - I need to have it default to root otherwise
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| 13:24 | oh wait
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| 13:24 | it does
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| 13:24 | in ltspfs_entry
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| 13:24 | or it should
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| 13:24 | export USER=${USER:-root}
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| 13:25 | <vagrantc> yeah, that's what i don't get ... somehow, USER=None
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| 13:26 | <Gadi> ah - its prolly delayed_mounter's fault
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| 13:31 | <Gadi> does anyone know of an nbd channel on IRC?
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| 13:35 | <AmosSam> how can be possible for root user to expire?!?!?
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| 13:36 | <johnny> Gadi, i don't think there is such a athing
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| 13:36 | <AmosSam> johnny: how can be that possible? in ltsp client system
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| 13:37 | <johnny> i think it is expired on purpose, you're supposed to unlock it manually
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| 13:38 | <AmosSam> how can i do it?
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| 13:38 | <johnny> man passwd
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| 13:38 | <alkisg> AmosSam: you don't even have to unlock it, you may put SCREEN_02=shell in lts.conf to get a root shell
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| 13:38 | <johnny> or that :)
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| 13:38 | <AmosSam> ok
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| 13:38 | thx
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| 13:42 | <alkisg> I've done some benchmarks with XVideo. It seems that instead of transmitting X*Y*FPS*BPP/8 bytes per second, it sends X*Y*FPS*12 bytes per second! (FPS=frames per second, BPP=color depth).
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| 13:42 | That's 6 times the needed bandwidth - a lot of waste! Would anyone have any logical explanation for this?
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| 13:43 | <vagrantc> Gadi: i don't think there's a channel, but i know Yoe on irc.oftc.net is the debian maintainer and at least somewhat involved upstream
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| 13:44 | Gadi: for NBD, that is
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| 13:44 | <Gadi> hmm
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| 13:44 | I have a question
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| 13:45 | wrt nbd, blocksize and packetsize in switches
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| 13:45 | default nbd block size is 1024
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| 13:45 | is it possible to screw up the negotiation with the wrong packetsize in the switch/router?
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| 13:58 | alkisg: where's the BPP in your second formula?
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| 13:58 | the units dont match
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| 13:58 | :)
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| 13:58 | <alkisg> Yup, that's the strange part, it needs 12 bytes per pixel independendly of the color depth
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| 13:58 | I've tried width depth = 16 _and_ 24, no difference..
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| 13:59 | Looks like it sends 12-byte-floats, or maybe 4 bytes per color (RBG), I don't know...
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| 14:00 | <Gadi> not sure, but since you can resize the video on the fly, I don't think it is sending raw pixel info
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| 14:00 | <alkisg> I think it does - resizing the window doesn't make a difference in the bandwidth used
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| 14:00 | <Gadi> exactly
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| 14:01 | <alkisg> Even if it is scaled up to 1024x768 or scaled down to 100x100, it sends the original X*Y video resolution pixels
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| 14:01 | <Gadi> so, it sends it enough info to paint the screen at 2x the size as well as .5x the size
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| 14:01 | to do that, it must be independent of the size of the area
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| 14:02 | <alkisg> Eh? Gadi, XVideo specs say that the scaling is done on the client...
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| 14:03 | <Gadi> ok
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| 14:03 | the Xclient?
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| 14:03 | meaning mplayer?
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| 14:03 | <alkisg> No, the xserver :)
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| 14:03 | <Gadi> right
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| 14:03 | <alkisg> I don't get what you're saying :(
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| 14:04 | <Gadi> so I send the xserver all the info I have - independent of color depth, resolution, etc
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| 14:04 | <alkisg> Yup, objerved bandwidth = 12 bytes for each pixel
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| 14:04 | <Gadi> and tell the Xserver to paint it
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| 14:04 | as opposed to X11
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| 14:04 | which paints it and sends the bitmap to the Xserver
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| 14:05 | <alkisg> OK, but why 12 bytes for each pixel, instead of e.g. 2, 3 or even 4 bytes?
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| 14:05 | <Gadi> *that* I do not know
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| 14:05 | <alkisg> The usual 16 bpp color depth, 24 bit, 32 bit?
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| 14:05 | <Gadi> but, what is the color depth of the original file?
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| 14:05 | <alkisg> Ah, that's what I was asking - maybe I wasn't clear :(
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| 14:06 | <Gadi> are you asking mplayer to change the bpp?
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| 14:06 | <alkisg> I don't think videos have color depth - it uses algorithm based on frequency analysis, no?
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| 14:06 | Using totem - I didn't specify anything manually.
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| 14:07 | <mushroomblue> now that people are actually talking in here...
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| 14:07 | <Gadi> Im not sure of the answer to that either
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| 14:07 | tho, mplayer will spit out the answer
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| 14:07 | :)
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| 14:07 | <AmosSam> see you later guys
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| 14:07 | <alkisg> k, will try with mplayer also... still sounds weird to me though! :)
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| 14:07 | Thanks, Gadi!
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| 14:07 | <mushroomblue> should jetpipe be a constantly-running process on the client, if I'm forwarding a printer?
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| 14:08 | <Gadi> mushroomblue: yes
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| 14:08 | <mushroomblue> hmm.
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| 14:08 | and I won't see that process on the server, correct?
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| 14:08 | <Gadi> correct
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| 14:08 | <mushroomblue> now I just have to make sure jetpipe is actually running.
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| 14:08 | <Gadi> telnet <thinClientIP> 9100
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| 14:08 | or:
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| 14:09 | nc -v -w1 -z <thinclientIP> 9100
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| 14:09 | (may need a -n in there, as well)
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| 14:11 | <epsas> okay
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| 14:11 | i need some help
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| 14:11 | so I have been doing orientations to IT for new employees
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| 14:12 | part of the orientation is where I tell the new employees that their privacy cannot be ensured, and that if we need to we can monitor their keystrokes
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| 14:12 | so now, hey, i might actually have to back my words up! -- so I am installing uberkey
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| 14:12 | does anyone know of other solutions to this? (xev maybe?)
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| 14:18 | <jammcq> hello friends
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| 14:21 | <nicros> is there an Easy-LTSP for opensuse 11.1?
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| 14:25 | <Lumiere> hi jammcq
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| 14:32 | <Gadi> jammcq: remember we once had an issue with packet fragmentation and NFS?
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| 14:33 | I remember it had something to do with the blocksize not matching with the packetsize or something
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| 14:34 | or a timeout
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| 14:34 | of sorts
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| 14:34 | <cliebow> seems real familiar
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| 14:51 | <mushroomblue> has anyone in here used Likewise-Open?
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| 14:52 | especially along with LTSP?
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| 15:06 | <Gadi> mushroomblue: I used it about a year ago when setting something up for a school. Worked well, except it relies on a daemon running, and it had a bug at the time where the daemon would die on its own for some reason
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| 15:06 | then, nobody could log in
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| 15:06 | until you restarted it
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| 15:06 | dunno if they fixed that
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| 15:08 | <vagrantc> Gadi: ok, finally in a position to test your latest and greatest ltspfs patches :)
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| 15:08 | <mushroomblue> Gadi: hah. I asked a rep that question during a product demo the other day. they assured me many times over that it had been fixed. :)
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| 15:39 | <furiousdraz> hello
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| 15:40 | <furiousdraz> I install LTSP on a statup of ubuntu for Edubuntu
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| 15:40 | i test a boot with PXE, but nothing works
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| 15:40 | my screen stay black
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| 15:40 | <vagrantc> Gadi: ok, so with your two patches since ltspfs 0.5.10, it seems to work at least as good as 0.5.9
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| 15:41 | Gadi: no mounts for localapps users, though.
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| 15:41 | <Gadi> ok what mounts do you see clientside?
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| 15:41 | <furiousdraz> do you know where i can find information about what's appened?
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| 15:42 | <vagrantc> Gadi: /media/root/cdrom, /media/root/floppy0
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| 15:42 | <Gadi> ok, and those work?
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| 15:42 | <vagrantc> Gadi: when i eject the cdrom, though, the /media/root/cdrom just stays unmounted...
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| 15:43 | but otherwise, those work as expected.
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| 15:43 | <Gadi> hmm
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| 15:43 | <vagrantc> Gadi: but no /media/$USER/*
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| 15:43 | <Gadi> you mean other than floppy/cdrom
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| 15:43 | <vagrantc> i guess i should test the "alterady mounted" path by manually mounting those or something?
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| 15:44 | <Gadi> seems ltspfs_entry aint workin
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| 15:44 | only delayed_mounter is
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| 15:45 | <vagrantc> but works for the remote mounts just fine
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| 15:45 | even seems a little more resilient with the cdrom failures ... used to hang on the remote side too
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| 15:46 | <alkisg> Gadi: mplayer helped - it showed me this: VO: [xv] 640x272 => 640x272 Planar YV12
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| 15:46 | Now to get it to something like YV4 instead of 12, to save 4x bandwidth :)
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| 15:51 | <ltsppbot> "Gadi" pasted "vagrantc - try this" (22 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/280
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| 15:51 | <Gadi> I bet I am just breaking stuff with extraneous code
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| 15:51 | <vagrantc> heh
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| 15:53 | * vagrantc gives it a whirl | |
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| 15:57 | <vagrantc> Gadi: no luck
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| 15:58 | Gadi: also, i've noticed it sometimes leaves behind the /media/*/cdrom dir after ejecting the cd ... i seem to recall it rarely if ever doing that
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| 16:03 | <vagrantc> Gadi: i'd best put away the ltsp and work on other stuff ... but looks like you at least got one bug fixed
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| 16:09 | <alkisg> OK, so to summerize for anyone interested: when playing back a video with the usual XVideo output, (YV12, no RGB - it'll need more bandwidth), the formula to calculate the needed bandwidth is: X*Y*fps*12 _BITS_ per second :) That's independent of the playback resolution/screen size/color depth etc.
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| 16:20 | <Gadi> vagrantc: sorry - got sidetracked
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| 16:21 | thx for the testing
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| 16:21 | when you said: (04:57:40 PM) vagrantc: Gadi: also, i've noticed it sometimes leaves behind the /media/*/cdrom dir after ejecting the cd ... i seem to recall it rarely if ever doing that
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| 16:21 | does that mean still?
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| 16:21 | <vagrantc> Gadi: i'll "apply more rigor" another time :)
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| 16:22 | Gadi: 0.5.9, 0.5.8 didn't leave behind the directory, 0.5.10+ does leave behind the directory occasionally
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| 16:22 | <vagrantc> Gadi: but they did unmount it ... this is with the remote mounts. the local mounts are still pretty wonky for me.
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| 16:23 | <Gadi> hmm...
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| 16:23 | should I push that diff?
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| 16:24 | <vagrantc> Gadi: seems like only the local mounter kicks in with delayed mounter ... nothing that calls ltspfs_entry, as you suggested
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| 16:24 | Gadi: didn't make a difference for me.
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| 16:24 | Gadi: it was broken before the diff as well as after.
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| 16:24 | <Gadi> and cdpinger runs, right?
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| 16:24 | so thats weird
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| 16:24 | <vagrantc> cdpinger is running.
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| 16:25 | <Gadi> cdpinger should call ltspfs_entry
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| 16:25 | <vagrantc> i haven't tested with USB sticks, though. all virtualbox so far
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| 16:39 | <AmosSam> i need small help
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| 16:39 | i have SCREEN_02=shell in lts.conf, and i do have root shel on second terminal
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| 16:39 | but it keeps asking me for login!
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| 16:40 | <vagrantc> !release
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| 16:41 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: "release" is please mention the linux distro and release you're using :)
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| 16:41 | <AmosSam> sorry, gentoo
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| 18:48 | <kim0> Hi .. Is it possible for ltsp to have multiple servers .. with clients load balancing on them
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| 18:49 | <vagrantc> yes.
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| 18:49 | though implementing it is not trivial
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| 18:50 | <kim0> I'm technical enough I guess .. is this documented somewhere
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| 18:50 | <Ryan52> kim0: which distro?
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| 18:50 | <kim0> fedora
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| 18:51 | <Ryan52> hahahaha. good luck.
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| 18:51 | :P
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| 18:51 | <kim0> is there some recommended distro ?!
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| 18:51 | <Ryan52> it's implemented for Ubuntu.
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| 18:51 | <vagrantc> ltsp-cluster
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| 18:51 | <Ryan52> cyberorg (the suse guy) was playing with it, not sure if he has stuff for suse.
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| 18:51 | <kim0> I'm generally more interested in manual steps to do that by hand ..
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| 18:51 | any docs
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| 18:52 | <Ryan52> fwiw, it's on my todo list to make ltsp-cluster packages for Fedora...:P
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| 18:52 | vagrantc: why doesn't Debian have ltsp-cluster stuff?
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| 18:52 | <vagrantc> kim0: you can get a really basic sort of load balancing just by installing a script client-side that gives a randomized list of servers
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| 18:52 | Ryan52: because nobody's put in the effort to make it work?
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| 18:53 | <Ryan52> o, ok. :P
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| 18:54 | <vagrantc> gah. i really wish i had fixed those stupid strings earlier.
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| 18:55 | i don't want to spam all the translators with just 1 fuzzied string for messages that simply go to a log file...
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| 18:55 | but then they'll translate 4-5 strings to no purpose...
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| 18:56 | <kim0> vagrantc: sorry .. which script do I need to edit to provide a list of servers
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| 18:57 | <vagrantc> kim0: i can't remember off the top of my head, and have to run soonish
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| 18:57 | <kim0> no worries
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| 18:57 | is there some recommended cheapo thin clients
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| 18:57 | <vagrantc> kim0: ah, /opt/ltsp/*/usr/share/ltsp/get_hosts
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| 18:58 | kim0: it doesn't exist by default- it needs to output the servers in whatever order you want
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| 18:58 | <vagrantc> kim0: the first one will be the default for that thin client
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| 18:59 | <kim0> and how should I have known that .. if u weren't here to tell me :D
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| 18:59 | the script doesn't even exist hehe
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| 18:59 | <vagrantc> kim0: by reading the source code
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| 18:59 | kim0: and if you don't document it, how will the next person find out?
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| 19:00 | <kim0> point taken
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| 19:00 | <kim0> .. is there some recommended cheapo thin clients ?
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| 19:00 | <vagrantc> avoid the ebox2300
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| 19:01 | <vagrantc> they're really cheap and tiny, and for whatever reason work terribly with recent versions of X.org
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| 19:01 | <kim0> anything known to work well
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| 19:01 | do any of em .. contain USB ports and sound ?!
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| 19:02 | <vagrantc> sure
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| 19:02 | <kim0> should I expect that
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| 19:02 | oh cool !
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| 19:02 | <vagrantc> pretty much any recent computer that can network boot will make a decent thin client
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| 19:02 | by recent, within this millenia
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| 19:02 | <kim0> I'm mostly asking about dedicated thin clients
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| 19:03 | <vagrantc> 128MB+ of ram, 400MHz proc should be fine.
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| 19:05 | <kim0> hmm .. why does something like http://www.wyse.com/products/hardware/thinclients/S10/index.asp
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| 19:05 | contain it's own built in linux
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| 19:05 | duh
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| 23:25 | <cyberorg> vagrantc, Ryan52 we included get_hosts file in the image by default, posted the modifications to one of the ltsp lists
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| 23:25 | <Ryan52> o
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| 23:26 | <cyberorg> i am trying to figure out ltsp-cluster stuff, we have packages now i just have to get hold of stgraber to help get it working :)
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| 23:35 | <cyberorg> there you go http://en.opensuse.org/LTSP/Cluster
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| 23:40 | vagrantc, get_hosts is documented in the LTSP Manual
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| 23:41 | <epsas> LTSP Cluster eh
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| 23:41 | that looks like hotness
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| 23:41 | <vagrantc> cyberorg: yeah, i figured it was. i just haven't really taken the time to read over the manual
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