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Channel log from 3 October 2007 (all times are UTC)
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| 07:31 | <cliebow__> hmmm: on a default install client ewrrors out at "Syntax error in lts.conf, Line 18"
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| 07:31 | <ogra> yep
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| 07:31 | fixed with yesterdays upload, i added a dummy entry
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| 07:33 | <cliebow__> coolio!
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| 07:33 | <ogra> you can do that yourself by adding a default section with something like FOO=bar
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| 07:33 | and rebuild the image ...
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| 07:33 | <cliebow__> in the chroot? and update-image?
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| 07:33 | heh
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| 07:33 | <ogra> getltscfg is simply unhappy abut the empty file
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| 07:35 | <cliebow__> gotcha
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| 07:37 | <ogra> cliebow, does it fully stop booting ?
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| 07:37 | <Blinny> That's a Bummer.
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| 07:40 | <cliebow__> yeah..building the image..
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| 07:41 | <ogra> well, thats a bug then, i'll fix the calling script :)
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| 08:19 | <sbalneav> Morning all
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| 08:25 | <jammcq> Scotty !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 08:28 | <cliebow__> All!!
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| 09:38 | <rjune_> jammcq: ping
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| 09:38 | <jammcq> rjune_: wassup?
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| 09:40 | <Guaraldo> Morning, all!
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| 09:41 | <jammcq> Guaraldo: hey
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| 09:41 | <Guaraldo> Hi, jammcq... How do you do?
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| 09:43 | <jammcq> doing great
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| 09:44 | <Guaraldo> jammcq: Nice to hear it...
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| 09:44 | <jammcq> how's things down there?
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| 09:47 | <Guaraldo> jammcq: I'm hacking all days... My kids are healthy... So, it's all right!
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| 09:48 | <jammcq> wow, can't ask for much more than that
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| 09:48 | <Guaraldo> jammcq: :-D
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| 11:31 | <moquist> sbalneav: what was the solution we ended up with for deleting the TC swap files filling up /tmp?
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| 12:40 | <jean> can someone give me a hand on my clients? they aren't able to log off...
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| 12:44 | sbalneav, are you on to give me a hand with this? my client doesn't have a power or a reset button.
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| 12:48 | <jean> vagrantc, can you give me a hand on my clients? they aren't able to log off... when i click the log off butt nothing happens... can i just make a launcher for now or is there a quick fix?
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| 12:49 | <vagrantc> jean: what window manager / desktop environment you running ?
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| 12:49 | jean: and while we're at it, linux distro ?
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| 12:49 | <jean> gnome on ubuntu gutsy gibbon
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| 12:50 | * vagrantc doesn't use gnome or ubuntu | |
| 12:51 | <jean> anyone else? my thin clients don't have power or reset buttons...
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| 13:17 | <moa_> does anyone know if I have to do something special to get the LTSP Term 1220 to boot? It's not seeing the pxe config.
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| 13:17 | <sbalneav> moquist: Sorry, was AFK
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| 13:17 | adding the following to /etc/hosts.allow:
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| 13:18 | nbdswapd: ALL: keepalive
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| 13:41 | <lns> hey all
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| 13:41 | <moa_> hi
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| 13:43 | <lns> do any of you guys use ephiphany exclusively w/ltsp? i know this is a really dumb question that i probably already know the answer to, but how does epiphany handle flash/java? does it use the firefox plugins? What about LTSP on AMD64 w/i386 chroot?
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| 13:44 | <vagrantc> epiphany is basically just another GUI fronted to the same stuff that firefox uses (gecko)
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| 13:45 | <lns> vagrantc, so the plugin system is essentially the same? I've got to install the 32-bit version to get flash/java plugins to work with 32-bit thin clients (using a 64-bit ubutntu server & install)
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| 13:46 | btw i f*cking hate adobe
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| 13:49 | they are such a necessary evil, unfortunately
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| 13:52 | <vagrantc> otavio: emailed you another ltsp upload
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| 13:59 | <otavio> vagrantc: good
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| 14:20 | <moquist> sbalneav: right -- thanks!
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| 14:34 | <Gadi> afternoon, everybody
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| 14:34 | <moquist> ai
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| 14:34 | <Gadi> so, here's a tickler for those in the mood:
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| 14:34 | I have one user who seems cursed ... lots of issues only happening to her
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| 14:35 | one bizarre example is that she logs out of her thin client at the end of the day, and when she comes back in the morning, the screen is blue and unresponsive
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| 14:35 | she needs to reboot to make things right
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| 14:36 | the odd thing is the fact that it is a blue screen
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| 14:36 | not black
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| 14:36 | not grey
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| 14:36 | <yanu> i think she's in love :D
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| 14:36 | <Gadi> blue - tho, without cryptic error messages
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| 14:36 | yanu: could very well be
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| 14:37 | <yanu> hehe
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| 14:37 | <Q-FUNK> re
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| 14:39 | <Gadi> now, I am sure a search of 'ltsp5 blue screen' will give me all sorts of responses... :)
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| 14:39 | <yanu> the only thing i can tink of is a ram-problem, but she works on it the whole dag ... so, that's not it
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| 14:39 | <vagrantc> Gadi: swap terminals with someone else and see if it happens to the other person ?
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| 14:40 | <Gadi> vagrantc: yeah, we've been swapping her terminal out and having her sit in other spots
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| 14:40 | its been a whole musical chairs/clients thing
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| 14:40 | <vagrantc> Gadi: and still only happens to her ?
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| 14:40 | <Gadi> unfortunately, there are several, seemingly unrlated probs
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| 14:41 | with the only common thread is her
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| 14:41 | <vagrantc> definitely cursed.
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| 14:41 | <Gadi> indeed
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| 14:41 | <moa_> some hung process on exit?
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| 14:41 | <vagrantc> some people just give off a different electromagnetic field.
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| 14:41 | <Gadi> moa_: could very well be, because she has lots of bonobo-server related probs, as well
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| 14:42 | we have been making new user accounts for her
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| 14:42 | changing her client...
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| 14:42 | <vagrantc> continues to happen with a different user account?!
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| 14:42 | <Gadi> its like the game Punch-a-Mole
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| 14:42 | you hit one issue and another one pops up
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| 14:42 | lol
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| 14:43 | <moa_> I'm going to say cursed.
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| 14:43 | <Gadi> yeah
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| 14:44 | we'll try and nail down a good combo
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| 14:44 | just wondering if anyone else had seen issues
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| 14:44 | <moa_> I've got a pxe problem for ya :)
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| 14:44 | That is if you've got time
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| 14:44 | <lns> Gadi, do you use different usernames?
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| 14:45 | also, do you import any data at all into her new accts when you create them?
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| 14:45 | <Gadi> lns: just docs not settings/hidden folders
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| 14:45 | but, there has been a lot of chatter on bonobo-server issues in feisty
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| 14:46 | and since that controls basically gnome...
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| 14:46 | :)
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| 14:46 | <vagrantc> maybe try another window manager ?
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| 14:46 | just to rule out gnome
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| 14:47 | <Gadi> yeah
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| 14:47 | moa_: whats ur pxe issue?
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| 14:47 | <lns> Gadi, interesting..i wonder if any docs are causing issues. Is she the only one w/Bonobo-server issues?
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| 14:47 | <moa_> I just got new thin clients and they're not finding the config.
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| 14:47 | Could not find kernel image: linux
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| 14:48 | <Gadi> lns: everyone has lingering bonobo processes upon exit, but she is the only one who has nautilus issues that trace back to bonobo
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| 14:48 | <moa_> I've got 30 other clients that boot up just fine, although, they are different models.
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| 14:48 | <Gadi> I have been using moquist's xterminator to kill the lingering processes on login
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| 14:48 | <lns> Gadi, what's the thin client in question? what pxe version? i've had issues with buggy PXE versions
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| 14:49 | * Gadi forwards lns's qu to moa_ | |
| 14:49 | <lns> Gadi, hmm. Can't help ya there. :(err
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| 14:49 | heh
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| 14:49 | thx
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| 14:49 | <moa_> lstp term 1220 from disklessworkstations.com
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| 14:49 | pxe 2 i do believe.
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| 14:49 | <Gadi> yeah, bonobo is a beast when he's upset
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| 14:50 | <vagrantc> they're like 8 times stronger than humans
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| 14:50 | <Gadi> moa_: did you modify your pxelinux.cfg at all?
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| 14:50 | <moa_> Nope
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| 14:50 | That's why I'm at a loss.
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| 14:51 | <Gadi> moa_: is there any other LTSP ortftp server on the same subnet?
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| 14:51 | <moa_> Nope, we've got it off it its own world
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| 14:52 | <lns> moa_, you say other clients boot fine... what is your DHCP server?
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| 14:53 | I.E. OS, version
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| 14:53 | <moa_> 2.6.19-gentoo-r5 #1 SMP Fri Mar 23 17:14:48 MDT 2007 i686 Intel(R) Xeon(TM) CPU 3.06GHz GNU/Linux
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| 14:54 | Same box the ltsp is running on as well.
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| 14:54 | <lns> I've tested some thin clients (not the same model thou) where they take arbitrary dhcp options to get going w/pxe & ltsp (undocumented ones, like server-identifier and tftp-server-name
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| 14:54 | <moa_> I tried pointing dhcp directly to the pxelinux.0 but that didn't work either.
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| 14:54 | <Gadi> which tftp server are you using?
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| 14:54 | <lns> i have no idea why but i remember after setting 'server-identifier' it worked.
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| 14:54 | <Gadi> seeing as its a gentoo box...
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| 14:54 | <moa_> tftpd
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| 14:55 | <Gadi> try: tftpd-hpa
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| 14:55 | <moa_> I was afraid you were going to say that.
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| 14:55 | <vagrantc> or atftpd
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| 14:55 | <Gadi> heh
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| 14:55 | <vagrantc> PXE requires some feature not present in plain ol tftpd
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| 14:55 | <moa_> Yeah, read that on the wiki
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| 14:56 | <Gadi> moa_: its gentoo - it should build... someday...
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| 14:56 | :)
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| 14:56 | <moa_> lol
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| 14:56 | <lns> =p
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| 14:56 | <Gadi> actually, tftpd is small
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| 14:56 | should be relatively quick
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| 14:56 | <moquist> sbalneav: got /etc/hosts.allow in puppet now. :)
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| 14:57 | <moa_> I should be able to build it without breaking tftpd, right?
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| 14:57 | Seeing how it's business hours.
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| 14:57 | <Gadi> moa_: well, even if you break it, it won't affect thin clients already booted
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| 14:57 | :)
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| 14:58 | <moa_> Well, yes, but I have....how do you say it..."smart" co-workers. They like to reboot their machines at random times.
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| 14:58 | makes me turn into BOFH....
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| 14:58 | :)
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| 14:59 | Ok, tftp-hpa. I'll give that one a try.
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| 15:23 | <moa_> Gadi: no such luck with tftp-hpa, still the same issue.
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| 15:24 | <Gadi> moa_: can you pastebot your dhcpd.conf?
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| 15:24 | !pastebot
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| 15:24 | <ltspbot> Gadi: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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| 15:24 | <moa_> Yup, give me just a few minutes.
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| 15:27 | <ltsppbot> "moa_" pasted "dhcpd.conf" (48 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/327
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| 15:28 | <moa_> That's pretty cool.
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| 15:29 | <Gadi> moa_: you have:
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| 15:29 | filename "pxe/pxelinux.0";
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| 15:29 | and later:
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| 15:29 | filename "/pxe/pxelinux.0";
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| 15:29 | note the preceding slash
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| 15:30 | <moa_> yeah
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| 15:30 | Let me fix that, and see if it helps.
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| 15:30 | <Gadi> what is the real path to pxelinux.cfg
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| 15:30 | ?
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| 15:31 | I mean pxelinux.0?
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| 15:31 | and what is the tftp server's chroot?
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| 15:31 | <moa_> /tftpboot/pxe/pxelinux.0
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| 15:31 | is the full path, tftpd is configured to chroot /tftpboot/
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| 15:31 | <Gadi> and where are the LTSP kernels?
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| 15:32 | <moa_> /tftpboot/pxe/
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| 15:34 | <Gadi> and it is called "linux"?
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| 15:34 | <moa_> the ltsp kernel?
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| 15:34 | <Gadi> yes
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| 15:34 | <moa_> no, bzImage
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| 15:35 | That's another weird thing. I have nothing pointing to a kernel named "linux"
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| 15:35 | But the thin client complains about it.
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| 15:35 | <Gadi> according to your error message, something is looking for a kernel named 'linux'
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| 15:35 | right
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| 15:35 | <moa_> Everything is pointed the the correct bzImage.
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| 15:36 | Cursed, cursed I tell you.
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| 15:37 | <Gadi> you also seem to be lacking the 'next-server' directive
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| 15:37 | which is required in some dhcp server versions
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| 15:38 | <moa_> My dhcp is working just fine though.
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| 15:38 | <Gadi> but, I would try to locate pxelinux.cfg and make sure there isn't some other one somewhere
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| 15:38 | the thin client is definitely looking for something called 'linux'
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| 15:38 | which can only be in the pxelinux.cfg
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| 15:39 | <moa_> i think i found it
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| 15:39 | prompt 0
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| 15:39 | label linux
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| 15:39 | kernel bzImage-2.6.17.8-ltsp-1
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| 15:39 | append rw root=/dev/ram0 initrd=initramfs.gz
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| 15:40 | that's my default pxelinux.cfg
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| 15:41 | brb, have to run down the hall to reboot the thin client.
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| 15:55 | Yup, fixing the dhcpd.conf didn't work.
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| 15:56 | These new thin clients are about to be thrown out the window.
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| 15:56 | <jammcq> moa_: did you add next-server ?
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| 15:57 | <moa_> No, not yet, that's next.
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| 15:57 | <jammcq> what version of dhcpd ?
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| 15:57 | <moa_> 3.0.3
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| 15:58 | <jammcq> yeah, you definately need it, unless you are using Ubuntu
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| 15:58 | <moa_> how does the syntax go?
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| 15:58 | <jammcq> next-server 192.168.0.254;
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| 15:58 | obviously, substitute the correct IP address
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| 15:59 | <moa_> and that's under my group{}?
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| 15:59 | <jammcq> can be
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| 15:59 | not required tho
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| 15:59 | just somewhere in the file.
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| 16:00 | <moa_> Ok, let me give that a try.
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| 16:01 | Oh my, how can I thank you enough...
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| 16:01 | <jammcq> that worked?
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| 16:01 | <moa_> It sure did
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| 16:01 | <jammcq> cool
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| 16:01 | * moa_ jumps for joy | |
| 16:02 | <jammcq> glad to hear it's working.
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| 16:02 | <moa_> But I still don't understand why it worked on the older thin clients.
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| 16:02 | <jammcq> umm, shouldn't have
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| 16:03 | although I think some versions of PXE work around the 'next-server' issue
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| 16:03 | versions of dhcpd prior to 3.0.3 didn't have this problem
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| 16:03 | http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/DhcpdSiaddr
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| 16:03 | <moa_> Very well could be, we bought those thin clients about a year ago.
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| 16:03 | <Guaraldo> moa_: The old thinclients are PXE too???
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| 16:03 | <moa_> Yup
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| 17:55 | * vagrantc wonders who on earth this CastAway person is who keeps editing http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Debian#LTSP_5 with very caustic posts but apparently would rather complain incessantly than file a bug report. | |
| 18:02 | <moa_> Thanks for all the help today guys. Time to go home.
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| 18:06 | <otavio> vagrantc: I can't upload the package you send me
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| 18:07 | vagrantc: it has not been bootstraped. You forgot to run autogen on client/ldm2
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| 18:08 | vagrantc: please, send me another package with this fixed and then I can do the upload
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| 18:09 | <vagrantc> otavio: ???
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| 18:09 | hmmm...
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| 18:10 | * vagrantc looks at it | |
| 18:14 | <vagrantc> otavio: i did exactly what i did last time ... used bzr-release from debian/rules
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| 18:15 | otavio: oh, i bet some of the autotools stuff isn't installed there or something
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| 18:16 | yup.
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| 18:17 | <otavio> vagrantc: hehe, ok
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| 18:17 | vagrantc: :-)
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| 18:17 | vagrantc: fix it and send me a new tarball
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| 18:18 | vagrantc: will you send me simple-cdd also, I think?
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| 18:18 | <vagrantc> otavio: not sure ... gustavo tried to build it but didn't have his key handy
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| 18:34 | * vagrantc contemplates fixing bzr-release to error out | |
| 18:37 | <vagrantc> otavio: re-sent.
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| 18:37 | <otavio> vagrantc: good
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| 19:04 | vagrantc: done
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| 19:07 | <vagrantc> otavio: yay :)
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| 19:11 | <otavio> vagrantc: :-D
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| 21:49 | <vagrantc> yay! figured out that it was simply a difference in mouse configuration that made the x configuration stuff break on etch.
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| 21:59 | klausade: new backports uploaded to the backport site mentioned at: http://wiki.debian.org/LTSP/Howto
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| 22:19 | <sbalneav> Evening all
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| 22:52 | <ari_stress> morning
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| 22:54 | <vagrantc> night all ...
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