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Channel log from 18 January 2011 (all times are UTC)
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| 01:43 | <muppis> I'm soon getting second n -serie wlan router, so I can get little faster (I hope) booting for my HTPC. :)
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| 01:49 | <Guest22254> hello guys
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| 01:49 | may I ask for some help booting ltsp with gpxe under ubuntu 10.04?
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| 01:49 | <muppis> Guest22254, sure thing. Just ask, don't ask to ask.
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| 01:49 | <Guest22254> it hangs after receiving the ip address from the server
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| 01:50 | so for a few days now I am stuck with this
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| 01:50 | I am a sysadmin in a school, and currently running an ltsp setup with ub. 8.04 fine
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| 01:51 | but would like to have ub. 10.04 running
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| 01:51 | reason I need gpxe is some clients can not boot pxe
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| 01:52 | <alkisg> Guest22254: are you the one that was trying loadin ?
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| 01:52 | <Guest22254> yes
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| 01:52 | <alkisg> And if you try with a floppy, you have a problem?
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| 01:52 | I mean, is the problem in gpxe or in loadlin?
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| 01:53 | <Guest22254> loadlind loads gpxe fine
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| 01:54 | it says ok at the end
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| 01:54 | <alkisg> Does a floppy or cd work?
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| 01:54 | <Guest22254> but i will try it with a floppy
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| 01:54 | to make sure
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| 01:54 | <alkisg> Right. Because even if loadlin says it's ok, I don't believe it yet :)
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| 01:54 | <Guest22254> i tried 2 different gpxe versions
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| 01:54 | <alkisg> There might be device driver hooks or other windows stuff that were left behind
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| 01:55 | Try without loadlin
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| 01:55 | <Guest22254> 1.0.0 and the one beofre
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| 01:55 | ok I will do it now
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| 02:00 | <gnunux> hi
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| 02:01 | <Guest22254> give me a minute
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| 02:05 | wow
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| 02:05 | it works
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| 02:05 | now I have to figure out 2 more thing
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| 02:06 | 1 how to boot this from hdd so I still have that old dos thing working
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| 02:06 | and 2 is in fat client mode on the clients, there is not internet access
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| 02:06 | thin client mode has it
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| 02:07 | thanks alkisg
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| 02:09 | any ideas?
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| 02:10 | <muppis> Guest22254, your clients connection goes thru ltsp server?
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| 02:10 | <Guest22254> yes
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| 02:10 | <muppis> Then enable NAT from there.
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| 02:10 | <Guest22254> they connect only to ltsp server
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| 02:10 | how come it works in thin client mode?
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| 02:10 | <muppis> This works for both https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ThinClientHowtoNAT
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| 02:11 | <alkisg> Guest22254: for your booting, try my grubgpxe page instead of loadlin
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| 02:11 | <muppis> Guest22254, your browser is probably runned in server, not in client?
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| 02:11 | <Guest22254> in thin client mode, yes
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| 02:12 | ok, alkisg: please paste here that page
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| 02:12 | about grubpxe
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| 02:12 | <alkisg> The one you were looking the other day in the ubuntu wiki
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| 02:13 | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/grubgpxe
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| 02:14 | <Guest22254> oop, can not remember now, please show me again
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| 02:14 | and thx
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| 02:17 | alkisg: so basically now that it boots fine from floppy, what I need to do is use grubpxe instead?
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| 02:18 | in that case do I still need to download anything from rom-o-matic?
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| 02:30 | <alkisg> Guest22254: just follow the section for windows 98, doing exactly what it says
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| 02:53 | <Guest22254> managed to get internet access from this howto
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| 02:53 | many thanks
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| 03:43 | <Guest22254> alkisg: SUCCESS!!
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| 03:44 | <alkisg> Nice
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| 03:44 | <Guest22254> many thanks, booting also works, what is left is to edit the boot menu so it only displays "boot linux" or "boot dos"
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| 03:45 | <alkisg> That shouldn't be difficult, `edit menu.lst` from dos should do it...
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| 03:45 | <Guest22254> yep
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| 03:45 | :)
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| 03:45 | <alkisg> Btw, you can also run many dos programs in dosbox
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| 03:45 | So it's possible that you wouldn't need dos at all
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| 03:45 | <Guest22254> I know, perhaps I will do it again
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| 03:46 | previous problem was that when all students wanted to run that same dos thing the server almost crawled to a halt
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| 03:46 | <muppis> Still in my dreams to make preseed for Ubuntu to install dosbox as frontend.
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| 03:47 | <alkisg> Guest22254: You could run dosbox as a "localapp", i.e. so that it runs with the client resources
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| 03:47 | <Guest22254> yes, like fat client mode
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| 03:47 | true
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| 03:48 | for now I keep it under dos, and see it later
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| 03:48 | <alkisg> Just out of curiosity, what program is that?
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| 03:48 | <Guest22254> :) it is a practice app for students to learn to type
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| 03:49 | I know I know there are linux versions, like klavaro
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| 03:49 | but I could not convince the teacher to switch
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| 03:50 | the teacher was not willing to learn something new
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| 03:50 | <muppis> Guest22254, old scholl teacher?
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| 03:50 | <alkisg> And it runs under dos?!!! Not even under windows?! Wow...
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| 03:50 | <Guest22254> yes
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| 03:50 | :)
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| 03:52 | be back in a few minutes, I need to edit the menu.lst
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| 03:53 | reason I am doing all this is that I would like to have a new setup with ltsp fat clients instead of thin
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| 03:54 | <alkisg> Guest22254: client specs? cpu/ram?
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| 03:54 | <Guest22254> up until now I have been using older clients, and whyle it was running pretty fast I had to disable a few things like flash
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| 03:54 | <alkisg> Btw, you can send DOS from the network, you don't have to have it on the local disk
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| 03:54 | <Guest22254> which made students think this is a pretty bad setup
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| 03:55 | most clients are about 1ghz pIII with 256mb
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| 03:55 | some slower some faster
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| 03:55 | <alkisg> 256 Mb RAM is too little for fat clients
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| 03:56 | <Guest22254> but each year we buy new machines so the ones we replace come to mee and use them in ltsp mode
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| 03:57 | now more and more faster are replaced that is why I would like to take advantage of this fat mode
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| 03:57 | I set up icewm as default and epiphany-browser
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| 03:57 | and openoffice
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| 03:58 | that is all they need
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| 03:58 | what is fallback in menu.lst ?
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| 03:59 | <alkisg> If the first entry fails, it tries the second one
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| 04:00 | E.g. "1 = boot from network, 2 = boot locally" ==> if the server is offline, it'll boot locally
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| 04:00 | (but gpxe doesn't support chaining so don't give it much though)
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| 04:01 | <Guest22254> aha, so I can just comment out most as I only need boot network and boot dos
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| 04:04 | <alkisg> Right
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| 04:11 | <Guest22254> may I ask more?
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| 04:13 | <Guest22254> grubgpxe remembers the last selected, how can I have it to wait indefinetly for user select?
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| 04:13 | in menu.lst there is timeout 5,
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| 04:14 | should this be 0 or a very large number?
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| 04:26 | <alkisg> For customizing menu.lst, check the grub legacy docs
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| 04:28 | <Guest22254> success
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| 04:30 | now i just have to remeber all the dos win98 startup methods te remove the previous autoxec.bat based menu ot to put that dos thing in grup to start what I would like directly
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| 06:50 | <Guest22254> thnks for all the help
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| 06:52 | <gsouque> high
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| 06:55 | <gsouque> i have a new issue today users with comiz enabled can't login ...
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| 06:59 | <Appiah> and disabling it makes people able to logon again?
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| 07:01 | <gsouque> yes
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| 07:10 | <Appiah> did compiz work before on these clients for the users?
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| 07:15 | <gsouque> yes
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| 07:16 | how can i disable compiz for a user without login and go to preference theme
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| 07:16 | <Appiah> with gconf I'd guess
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| 07:16 | or editing some file by hand
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| 07:17 | <gsouque> i did not find it in gconf ...
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| 07:18 | <Appiah> !compiz
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| 07:18 | <ltspbot> Appiah: "compiz" :: the default window manager in gnome is gnome-wm, which automatically chooses compiz if it thinks that the card supports it. Compiz is causing login problems to some clients (LP #673072). To disable it, see !disable_compiz. To restore it, see !restore_compiz
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| 07:18 | <Appiah> !disable_compiz
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| 07:18 | <ltspbot> Appiah: "disable_compiz" :: To disable compiz, try: sudo gconftool-2 --direct --config-source xml:readwrite:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.mandatory --type string --set /desktop/gnome/session/required_components/windowmanager metacity
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| 07:18 | <Appiah> I'm sure it's there..
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| 07:25 | <gsouque> thanks and how to restore it?
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| 07:29 | i disabled compiz and now it's working :) it's a pity becaue users like it !
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| 07:36 | <alkisg> gsouque: which graphics module? openchrome?
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| 07:46 | <gsouque> alkisg: i dont know how can u see that?
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| 07:47 | <alkisg> On a *local* terminal on the client, lspci -nn -k | grep -A 2 VGA
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| 07:47 | !localxterm
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| 07:47 | <ltspbot> alkisg: "localxterm" :: while sitting on a thin client, open a gnome terminal. In that, run: ltsp-localapps xterm. An xterm will open. That xterm runs locally, so any commands you enter there are executed directly on the client.
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| 07:52 | <gsouque> alkisg: do u mean on the thin client hardware (open a terminal with ctrl Alt F1) or when i am loged on a X session on the ltsp server?
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| 07:52 | <alkisg> On the thin client hardware
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| 07:53 | <gsouque> ok i wathing
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| 08:01 | alkisg: 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation 82865G Integrated Graphics Controller [8086:2572] (rev 02) Kernel driver in use: i915
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| 08:02 | <alkisg> Ah, yeah, that sucks too. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Bugs/Lucidi8xxFreezes
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| 08:14 | <reynolds_> Hi, do i have to specify programs to run locally in ltsp if I have created a fat cleint chroot?
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| 08:14 | <robehend1> nope
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| 08:14 | <reynolds_> so I do not need to put anything under local apps in lts.conf
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| 08:15 | <robehend1> nope. Since its a fat client, its all running locally anyways
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| 08:15 | <reynolds_> thx
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| 08:37 | <csaba_> alkisg1: so I sued use norton hgost 2003 to clone hdd's
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| 08:37 | <csaba_> since I have many of these pc to boot ltsp
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| 08:37 | but with this one after cloning I get the error saying missing mbr helper
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| 08:38 | so the cloned hdd can not boot up
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| 08:39 | any ideas why it is happening with this gpxe and grub thing
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| 08:41 | can you suggest a solution?
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| 08:43 | <gsouque> alkisg: ok thanks
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| 08:46 | <csaba_> I mean this grub thing prevents the disk from cloning or something?
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| 08:47 | <alkisg> csaba_: to make a windows 98 disk bootable, use "sys c:
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| 08:47 | from a diskette
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| 08:47 | Then rerun bootlace etc so that you reinstall grub
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| 08:48 | I don't know why norton ghost can't properly clone disks with grub
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| 08:48 | But that's waaaay out of topic here in #ltsp now...
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| 09:39 | <yeedl> hey yall, if i change my lts.conf, do i need to restart any service?
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| 09:41 | <Appiah> no
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| 09:41 | just reboot client
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| 09:41 | <yeedl> gotcha.
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| 09:41 | <yeedl> uhm, any good directions to get client to boot straight into an rdesktop session? followed some sstuff, but didnt seem to work right
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| 09:42 | <Appiah> what stuff
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| 09:42 | <yeedl> http://edin.no-ip.com/content/ltsp-ubuntu-intrepid-mini-howto
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| 09:42 | <Appiah> intrepid
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| 09:42 | old :)
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| 09:42 | <yeedl> http://www.linuxnix.com/2010/02/how-to-linux-terminal-server-project-ltsp.html
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| 09:42 | well, im not using intrepid, im using debian squeeze if that matters :p
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| 09:43 | <Appiah> pastebin your lts.conf
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| 09:45 | that last link uses ltsp 4.2
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| 09:45 | not ltsp5
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| 09:46 | <yeedl> OY
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| 09:47 | err oy. uhm. all i got in it is rdp server and screen1 configured
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| 09:47 | and ltsp config true. any other option i needa set?
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| 09:47 | <Appiah> let me us see
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| 09:47 | me/us
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| 09:50 | <yeedl> http://pastebin.com/zF1PYqxY
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| 09:50 | sory bout that wait..
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| 09:52 | <Appiah> maybe just a paste error but you are missing [
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| 09:52 | and switch to SCREEN_07 =
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| 09:53 | and where is your lts.conf located?
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| 09:54 | <yeedl> errm yea, paste error
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| 09:54 | the [ is there
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| 09:54 | 07 and not 7?
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| 09:55 | <Appiah> 07
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| 09:55 | <yeedl> my lts.conf is in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc
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| 09:55 | <Appiah> thats ltsp4 style
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| 09:56 | /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf
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| 09:56 | <yeedl> erm.
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| 09:56 | ahh
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| 09:56 | havent been editing that one
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| 09:56 | <Appiah> !lts.conf
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| 09:56 | <ltspbot> Appiah: "lts.conf" :: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/lts.conf
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| 09:57 | <Appiah> i think the /opt/ltsp file even says DONT EDIT IN HERE, atleast it does in ubuntu
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| 09:58 | I'm leaving now...
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| 09:58 | good luck
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| 09:59 | <ddunn> I did RTFM LTSP Administrators Reference but client printing is still busted /var/lib/tftpboot/i386 contains lts.conf and clients with printers are listed
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| 09:59 | idle -connecting to printer
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| 10:00 | <yeedl> http://pastebin.com/ismQPEMV
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| 10:00 | i dont have an lts.conf in that directory Appiah
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| 10:00 | <ddunn> any ideas what could stop printing from working
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| 10:01 | <Appiah> create it yeedl
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| 10:01 | bye
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| 10:03 | <ddunn> recently my printing died on the clients ubuntu 9.10 , it was working fine for months,network printing works fine but not local
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| 10:06 | print job appears to be sent to client but does not print idle - connecting to printer
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| 10:08 | I can ping the client IP
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| 10:13 | i thought it was just usb but it is not
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| 10:14 | i've tried cups 1.40 through 1.4.6 different symptoms same result but 1.4.3 did bitch alot about usblp kernel something and would not compile
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| 10:17 | just stuck in a thumb drive that still mounts ok
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| 10:28 | <ddunn> does anyone have printing working in ubuntu 9.10 fully patched ?
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| 10:34 | <ddunn> I did RTFM LTSP Administrators Reference but client printing is still busted /var/lib/tftpboot/i386 contains lts.conf and clients with printers are listed
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| 10:36 | print job appears to be sent to client but does not print idle - connecting to printer
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| 10:46 | I'm setting up a 10.10 to see if that will print to clients
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| 10:50 | <Gadi> ddunn: can you telnet <thinclient> 9100?
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| 10:50 | <ddunn> no
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| 10:51 | connection refused
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| 10:51 | <Gadi> if you are sitting at the thin client, open a local xterm
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| 10:51 | <ddunn> k
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| 10:51 | <Gadi> !localxterm
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| 10:51 | <ltspbot> Gadi: "localxterm" :: while sitting on a thin client, open a gnome terminal. In that, run: ltsp-localapps xterm. An xterm will open. That xterm runs locally, so any commands you enter there are executed directly on the client.
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| 10:51 | <Gadi> and in the xterm, type: ps -efw|grep jetpipe
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| 10:52 | <ddunn> ddunn 9615 9597 0 19:53 pts/1 00:00:00 grep --color=auto jetpipe no dice
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| 10:52 | <Gadi> type: getltscfg -a|grep PRINT
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| 10:52 | <ddunn> no jet no print
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| 10:53 | ut uh
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| 10:53 | yikes syntax error lts.conf line 2
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| 10:53 | <Gadi> therre ya go
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| 10:53 | <ddunn> oh man
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| 10:54 | oh snap missing one "]"
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| 10:55 | brb
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| 10:58 | <ddunn> ok well once the hole in foot heals and i stop limping around no will know
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| 10:58 | Thank you Gadi
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| 11:01 | <dgroos> Successfully built first fat-client image over the long weekend and got to school, it boots!
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| 11:01 | 2 questions--
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| 11:02 | How do I get a client to choose which image it boots from...
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| 11:03 | <dgroos> and 2, how do I recreate the thin-client image--I deleted it when I built the fat-client image. I've tried to create a new thin client image but it makes the fat image.
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| 11:04 | <ddunn> dhcp can assign images
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| 11:04 | <dgroos> *didn't delete the old image, it got written over.
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| 11:05 | ddunn: OK--I'll check into that.
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| 11:05 | <ddunn> ltsp-update-image
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| 11:06 | <dgroos> I did that and it just made another copy of the fat-client chroot.
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| 11:06 | <ddunn> I saw this on a site somewhere
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| 11:06 | <dgroos> I even rename things in the /opt/ltsp/ directory to the way they were, moving the fat stuff to it's own directory.
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| 11:09 | <ddunn> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/edubuntu-users/2007-November/002593.html
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| 11:13 | <dgroos> ddunn: That looks like it will help me with question #1--clients choosing image. I've saved that on delicious and is cooking on the back burner ;) thanks.
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| 11:14 | <dgroos> Anyone know how to tell 'ltsp-update-image' which chroot to use for the image? I've got 2 chroots.
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| 11:17 | <Gadi> dgroos: just use the same image for thin and fat
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| 11:17 | for those you want to be thin, set: FAT_CLIENT=False in lts.conf
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| 11:18 | <dgroos> Gadi: You can do that!?
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| 11:18 | Can I get rid of the fat client chroot and go back to my thin-client image that has localapps and everything all set up?
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| 11:19 | <Gadi> well, that one is not a fat client
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| 11:19 | so it can never be a fat client
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| 11:19 | (it lacks the local gnome, etc)
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| 11:19 | <dgroos> OK :(
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| 11:20 | At this point, I need to get my thin client image back and then experiment/setup the fat client image. Ideas how?
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| 11:20 | <Gadi> did you delete the thin client image entirely?
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| 11:20 | or did you save it somewhere?
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| 11:21 | the image is simply /opt/ltsp/images/i386.img
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| 11:21 | <dgroos> When I created the fat-client, the last step was to create the fat image and I guess it over-wrote my thin client image.
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| 11:21 | I still have the thin chroot so I want to recreate an image based on that chroot.
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| 11:22 | <Gadi> what was the ltsp-build-client command you used to make the fat?
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| 11:23 | <dgroos> But, using ltsp-update-image keeps making an image out of the fat chroot. I've tried renaming the chroots to no avail.
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| 11:23 | let me check my notes...
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| 11:25 | I used the directions on: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/FatClients
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| 11:25 | I created the ltsp-build-client.conf then ran sudo ltsp-build-client
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| 11:27 | <Gadi> well, it must have balked and told you to rename /opt/ltsp/i386, right?
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| 11:27 | (from your thin chroot)
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| 11:27 | <dgroos> Yes, I called it /opt/ltsp/i386-thin.
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| 11:28 | <Gadi> so, now you have : /opt/ltsp/i386-thin and /opt/ltsp/i386
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| 11:28 | right?
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| 11:29 | if so, the easiest thing for you to do, if you want to go back to having thin client by default, is to:
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| 11:29 | mv /opt/ltsp/i386 /opt/ltsp/i386-fat
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| 11:29 | <dgroos> I did, but I renamed the new /opt/ltsp/i386-->/opt/ltsp/i386-fat and changed the /opt/ltsp/i386-thin--> /opt/ltsp/i386.
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| 11:29 | <Gadi> ok
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| 11:30 | now, you have 2 chroots, which means each is exported on a different port
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| 11:30 | for nbd
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| 11:30 | <dgroos> I think so, 2000 for the old? and 2001 for the fat.
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| 11:30 | <Gadi> ltsp-update-image (with no arguments, will assume you want the chroot named with the same architecture as the server)
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| 11:31 | ltsp-update-image -a i386-fat
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| 11:31 | <dgroos> hmmm... server is 64...
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| 11:31 | <Gadi> will make the image out of the fat chroot
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| 11:31 | <dgroos> ohhhh... let me try it :)
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| 11:32 | <Gadi> to see which your clients are booting, check /etc/inetd.conf for the port numbers
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| 11:32 | <dgroos> Also I can just check to see if the program I need my students to use, works :)
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| 11:32 | <Gadi> and check /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default for the argument being passed
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| 11:32 | <dgroos> right.
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| 11:33 | <Gadi> (no argument = 2000)
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| 11:33 | <dgroos> so will this create 2 images or do they overwrite?
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| 11:33 | <Gadi> they do not overwrite
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| 11:33 | <dgroos> one for the -i386-fat and another for the i386-thin.
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| 11:33 | <Gadi> here's how it works:
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| 11:33 | <dgroos> ok
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| 11:34 | <Gadi> dhcpd.conf tells the client the path for pxelinux.0 and pxelinux.cfg, by extension
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| 11:34 | pxelinux.cfg passes the nbdport
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| 11:34 | telling the client what image to use
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| 11:34 | each image can be connected to on a different port
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| 11:34 | so, if you want i386-fat
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| 11:35 | you should only need to change dhcpd.conf
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| 11:35 | to point to /ltsp/i386-fat/pxelinux.0
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| 11:35 | instead of /ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0
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| 11:35 | (you should see a directory for each chroot under /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp
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| 11:36 | and if ltsp-update-image is doing the right thing, it is populating the right port numbers in the right places
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| 11:36 | of course, if you keep moving things around, it may get confused
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| 11:36 | :)
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| 11:37 | ltsp-update-kernels will update all the tftpboot dirs and their pxelinux.cfgs
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| 11:37 | <dgroos> it and me both :)
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| 11:37 | I've got 3 directories in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp
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| 11:38 | <Gadi> probably from when you renamed things and ran ltsp-update-image
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| 11:39 | ltsp-update-image runs ltsp-update-kernels by default
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| 11:39 | in order to make sure everything is on its own port
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| 11:41 | <dgroos> I ran: sudo ltsp-update-image -a i386
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| 11:42 | and it said: Cannot determine assigned port. Assigning to port 2001.
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| 11:42 | mkdir: cannot create directory `/opt/ltsp/fat-image/etc/ltsp': No such file or directory
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| 11:43 | I'm thinking there must be some config file for ltsp-update-image command that's following around the fat client chroot no matter what I rename it.
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| 11:44 | <Gadi> no
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| 11:44 | <Gadi> it analyzes all chroots
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| 11:44 | so it can determine the port
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| 11:44 | it is building an image for i386
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| 11:45 | but when it comes to port assignment, it needs to look at what ports the other chroots are on
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| 11:45 | which is stored in $chroot/etc/ltsp/update-kernels.conf
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| 11:45 | <dgroos> Also said: Regenerating kernel...
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| 11:45 | chroot: cannot run command `/usr/share/ltsp/update-kernels': No such file or directory (sorry for all the output here--not able to get to a pastebin at the moment)
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| 11:46 | <Gadi> right
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| 11:46 | that chroot is broken
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| 11:47 | <dgroos> OK, that's the fat one and I can live with that.
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| 11:47 | Think I should remove it?
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| 11:48 | <Gadi> it is harmless for now
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| 11:48 | just try and get your thin clients booting again
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| 11:48 | then, you can remove it
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| 11:50 | <dgroos> my clients can't boot, they go through the whole process of booting but just when the login screen is supposed to appear, they say:
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| 11:50 | Error: failed to connect to NBD server 192.168.0.1:2000
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| 11:51 | <Gadi> grep 2000 /etc/inetd.conf
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| 11:52 | <dgroos> returns nothing--just back to prompt.
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| 11:52 | <Gadi> run: ltsp-update-kernels
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| 11:53 | <dgroos> OK
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| 11:53 | checking for 2001 brought:
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| 11:53 | grep 2001 /etc/inetd.conf
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| 11:53 | 2001 stream tcp nowait nobody /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/nbdrootd /opt/ltsp/images/i386.img
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| 11:54 | :)
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| 11:54 | <Gadi> more /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default
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| 11:54 | <dgroos> Skipping invalid chroot: /opt/ltsp/fat-image
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| 11:54 | Updating /var/lib/tftpboot directories for chroot: /opt/ltsp/i386
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| 11:55 | command not found?
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| 11:55 | <Gadi> you made a typo
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| 11:57 | <dgroos> I get 'permission denied' if I don't sudo...
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| 11:57 | sudo /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default
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| 11:58 | sudo: /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default: command not found
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| 11:58 | <Gadi> sudo more....
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| 11:58 | <dgroos> "more" is part of the command? :D
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| 11:58 | <Gadi> yes
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| 11:58 | <dgroos> That's a new one for me!
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| 11:59 | <Gadi> more, less, cat
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| 11:59 | any of those
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| 11:59 | :)
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| 11:59 | <dgroos> nice!
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| 11:59 | OK it worked. Now?
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| 11:59 | <Gadi> did it say nbdport=2000
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| 11:59 | or some such?
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| 11:59 | <dgroos> yes
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| 12:00 | <Gadi> then thats the problem
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| 12:00 | do: ltsp-update-image --arch i386 --force
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| 12:00 | sudo (of course)
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| 12:01 | <dgroos> Alas... the teacher is a slave to the bells. My lunch/prep period just ended and the 9th grade cherubs are soon to converge on the door.
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| 12:01 | <Gadi> that will force it to recalculate all ports and such and get things in the right order
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| 12:01 | <dgroos> Gadi: Thanks so much for your help and teachings.
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| 12:01 | <Gadi> just do that and you will be good to go
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| 12:02 | sudo ltsp-update-image --arch i386 --force
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| 12:02 | <dgroos> I'll try to slip that in! Thanks!!! I'll post results if I can.
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| 12:02 | Bye :)
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| 12:24 | <cliebow> Gadi:got a sec?
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| 12:27 | <Gadi> sure
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| 12:36 | <cliebow> i have a stubborn ldap that creates a machine account but winders machine wont join the domain...unknow n username or pw..i canr find anything in the logs to point me where to go..you have any hints?
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| 12:45 | <Gadi> "unknown username or password" as in for the administrator?
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| 12:46 | <cliebow> from winders you enter a name and pw..usualy root and a pw from openldap account with uid 0 and gid 0
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| 12:47 | <Gadi> sounds like a samba problem
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| 12:47 | check the samba logs
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| 12:50 | <cliebow> i will go over it again.,.thanks!
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| 13:53 | <robehend1> dgroos: My science teachers would like to thank you for the hint to use the PHET system. Works great.
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| 15:41 | <dgroos> Gadi: It did the trick!
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| 15:42 | Now all I've got to do is improve the fat-client chroot and then I can use that, instead.
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| 15:42 | robehend1: Glad it works :D
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| 15:43 | One way to bring teachers along is show them things that are way better (in their eyes) than what they were doing.
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| 15:43 | <robehend1> fat clients are awesome. I really like being able to use the local hardware, such as scanners, printers, webcam, etc, with the thin-client
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| 15:43 | <dgroos> those sims on the PHET site are like that.
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| 15:44 | Animations are good--easy to see the benefit.
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| 15:44 | <robehend1> yep. and the fact you can manipulate them to show different data is the part they like
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| 15:45 | used the "how to build a circuit" one today with my 4th graders, all on fat clients. they loved seeing what they could build
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| 15:45 | <dgroos> robehend1: you were the one that let me know that fat-clients *do* work well on P4's with 512 MB of RAM. :)
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| 15:46 | <robehend1> suprising, isnt it? the things barely chugged along with XP on it
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| 15:46 | <dgroos> nice.
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| 15:47 | <alkisg> And with lxde they're even faster
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| 15:47 | <robehend1> i do love me some lxde. I use it on my personal machines exclusively
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| 15:51 | <dgroos> (had visitors)
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| 15:51 | lxde?
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| 15:53 | <robehend1> a different DE, runs really light weight
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| 15:53 | also a bit more windows like, out of the box, with a 'start' menu kind of thing
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| 15:56 | <dgroos> lxde is a kind of desktop--like GNOME? Sounds interesting though I'll use the vanilla flavor for now.
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| 15:57 | <alkisg> Right, there's ubuntu/gnome, kubuntu/kde, xubuntu/xfce, lubuntu/lxde, and more...
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| 15:57 | <robehend1> mhmm
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| 15:58 | <alkisg> Though I'll admin I liked debian/lxde better than lubuntu
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| 15:58 | <robehend1> i havent tried Lubuntu, myself. I just usually install lxde to a normal ubuntu install
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| 15:59 | <dgroos> sudo apt-get install lxde-desktop?
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| 15:59 | <robehend1> sudo apt-get install lxde
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| 16:00 | that way, you dont get all the extra junk from the desktop install
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