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Channel log from 4 September 2008 (all times are UTC)
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| 02:15 | <vmlintu> Does anyone know what is "pharma ban" on sourceforce? When I try to post to ltsp-developer list I just get this weird complaint:
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| 02:16 | <ltsp-developer@lists.sourceforge.net>: host
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| 02:16 | mail.sourceforge.net[66.35.250.206] said: 550 This message matches a
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| 02:16 | blacklisted regular expression (pharma ban) (in reply to end of DATA
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| 02:16 | <vmlintu> command)
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| 03:01 | <Nubae> morning
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| 03:02 | can anyone help me with importing a docbook xml formatted file into open offcie
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| 03:02 | office
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| 03:02 | should be straight forward, but the links I've followed on the net are anything but
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| 03:12 | ok, so its only the lts.conf.xml file that I cannot open... weird
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| 03:19 | <cyberorg> Nubae, where is the file?
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| 03:30 | <Nubae> ltsp 5 launchpad
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| 03:31 | ~ltsp-docwriters/ltsp/ltsp-docs-trunk
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| 03:32 | I'm making good progress with the main file now, but wanted to check lts.conf to make sure I've really got all the lts variables
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| 03:36 | <cyberorg> Nubae, it just opened fine in oo writer
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| 03:39 | <Nubae> ltsp.conf.xml?
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| 03:42 | opens with xml formatting... like so: <refentrytitle>lts.conf</refentrytitle> <manvolnum>5</manvolnum>
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| 03:42 | the other files open fine though, how they're supposed to in docbook format
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| 03:46 | cyberorg: Suse should really be sticking to conventions... any ideas on whats happening on those fronts?
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| 03:47 | <cyberorg> Nubae, get oo from go-oo.org
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| 03:47 | most distro ship sun's version which is quite crippled
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| 03:48 | <Nubae> hmm nice link thanks
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| 03:48 | any idea how to install that system wide for all oo users?
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| 03:49 | conventions meaning putting ltsp stuff in the same place as everyone else and not requiring significantly different documentation
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| 03:50 | <cyberorg> Nubae, lts.conf is same, just the image locations are according to suse conventions in /srv
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| 03:52 | <Nubae> maybe you could appease people by making softlinks to /opt?
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| 03:53 | <cyberorg> Nubae, yes i suppose that can be done easily, i said that before :)
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| 03:54 | <Nubae> cool, if the only thing different in all distros were the installation parts, that would be awsome
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| 03:54 | <ogra> uff, that lts.conf is so wrong
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| 03:54 | <cyberorg> Nubae, suse used to keep kde and gnome in /opt too, now they have removed everything from there, it is not desirable at all to populate it once again, but if required we can put links via our packages
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| 03:55 | Nubae, yeah, everyone should have ltsp preinstalled shipped with the distribution ;)
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| 03:55 | <ogra> "This file gets parsed when ltsp-server starts up" ....
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| 03:55 | * ogra shakes his head | |
| 03:56 | <Nubae> heh... well... there is mention of smbldap still in the ltsp documentation... which I believe is from dapper still
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| 03:56 | <ogra> it was vald up to feisty
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| 03:56 | *valid
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| 03:56 | i think it stopped working in gutsy
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| 03:56 | but it was always ubuntu only anyway
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| 03:56 | <Nubae> yeah, thats when I started doing ldap manually
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| 03:56 | really, it asks u what distro when u install it
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| 03:57 | installed
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| 03:58 | <Nubae> I'm a bit confused about the bridging thing for virtual thin clients in fedora... there is a lot of mention of it under installation... seems like it should go somewhere else
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| 03:58 | and is it something other distros will do too?
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| 04:00 | <johnny> Nubae, what are you talking about?
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| 04:01 | i wonder if it is any different than mine
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| 04:01 | i setup bridge and tun devices to run virtualbox clients on
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| 04:01 | <Nubae> https://fedorahosted.org/k12linux/wiki/InstallGuide
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| 04:02 | and then network setup too...
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| 04:02 | it would be nice to keep that stuff a bit seperate... its not really installing ltsp
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| 04:02 | <johnny> itrue.. it isn't
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| 04:03 | <Nubae> and will most certainly confuse the hell out of people
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| 04:03 | at the moment, I hate to say it, but Suse and Ubuntu have the easiest install instructions
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| 04:03 | Ubuntu easiest cause its included in one download
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| 04:06 | <cyberorg> Nubae, just do normal installation on the server, that openoffice would be available to all like rest of the programmes
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| 04:06 | <Nubae> so as root on server and it should be available to all users
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| 04:07 | <cyberorg> yes
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| 04:08 | Nubae, it seems ubuntu ships go-oo version according to that download page
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| 04:08 | ogra, should know :)
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| 04:09 | <ogra> no idea, i stay away as far as i can from that package
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| 04:09 | as far as i can -> not nearer tan bugs.launchpad.net or apt-get install/remove :)
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| 04:15 | but we work very closely with upstream on oo.o (and are oo.o board member afaik) so i wouldnt be surprised
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| 04:18 | yay
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| 04:18 | http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/04/dells-inspiron-mini-9-pops-official/
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| 04:18 | its out ... finally
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| 04:21 | <Nubae> I heard they made a deal with new york schools
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| 04:22 | <ogra> for the 901u ?
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| 04:22 | err
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| 04:22 | 910u
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| 04:23 | <Nubae> yeah... someone told me... beating olpc and everyone else by a longshot...
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| 04:23 | wonder if it will be linux or xp based though :-)
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| 04:27 | <johnny> i could still use like 16GB local storage..
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| 04:28 | vs 8
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| 04:29 | <ogra> Nubae, the 910u is only shipped with ubuntu
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| 04:29 | with a special variant of the netbook-remix
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| 04:30 | (the u in the version means ubuntu only :) )
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| 04:30 | * Nubae wonders which laptop would make the best thin client | |
| 04:30 | <Nubae> cost wise of course
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| 04:30 | <ogra> the XP variant costs 469 .... the ubuntu one 349
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| 04:30 | <Nubae> well, since it was a price contest... it must be ubuntu
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| 04:31 | wow... all of NY school system using ubuntu... imagine that
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| 04:31 | <ogra> yeah, that wouldnt be bad :)
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| 04:32 | <Nubae> it was from an olpc source, so think its true...
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| 04:32 | they were kinda sad about it :-)
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| 04:32 | <ogra> understandable
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| 04:33 | <Nubae> sugar just isn't ready for deployment...
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| 04:33 | I'd consider it almost alpha software
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| 05:20 | <johnny> hmm..
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| 05:21 | ok.. same issue with tftpprefix on this other machine :(
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| 05:21 | i wonder what i broke
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| 05:21 | and why it would work on virtualbox..
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| 05:59 | <wigwam> please, can somebody help me with splash customization?
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| 06:18 | <wigwam> please, how to reinstall chroot enviroment to dist?
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| 06:18 | i fucked it up :(
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| 06:19 | <laga> wigwam: ltsp-build-client
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| 06:36 | <wigwam> laga: thx
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| 08:51 | <sbalneav> Morning all.
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| 08:52 | <ogra> !s
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| 08:52 | <ltspbot`> ogra: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 08:52 | <sbalneav> ogra: Fixed password expiry for hardy. I'll get you a diff file in 20 minutes.
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| 08:52 | <ogra> cool
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| 08:52 | <sbalneav> Only need to patch up a couple of lines.
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| 08:52 | <ogra> i'll be out for most of the evening though, promised dinner to susie
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| 08:53 | asian today :)
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| 08:54 | * ogra just bought a car :) ... time to get rid of the porsche | |
| 08:54 | <sbalneav> Ah! What did you get?
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| 08:55 | <ogra> opel (GM) ... the old one from susies mom
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| 08:55 | 10 years old ... 16000km only on the counter
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| 08:55 | <sbalneav> 16k? Cripes, the engine's not even broken in yet.
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| 08:55 | <ogra> that care hasnt seen more than 2000rpm in its whole life
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| 08:56 | <sbalneav> Any rust?
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| 08:56 | <ogra> and only 1800€
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| 08:56 | nope
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| 08:56 | garage
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| 08:56 | <sbalneav> Sweet
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| 08:56 | <ogra> its like brand new
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| 08:56 | <sbalneav> Score one for ogra
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| 08:56 | <ogra> i massively hate opel ... but i couldnt say no to that one
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| 08:57 | <sbalneav> What's the model name, so I can google?
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| 08:58 | <ogra> astra
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| 08:58 | 1.2 16V
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| 08:58 | very ugly
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| 08:59 | <sbalneav> Like this?
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| 08:59 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Vauxhall_Astra_2004.jpg
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| 08:59 | That's a 2004, so newer
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| 08:59 | That's from the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opel_Astra page
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| 09:01 | <sbalneav> I think it'd be cooler if you had one of these: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:OpelPic.jpg
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| 09:01 | Oooh, or these: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opel_Kapitän
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| 09:01 | <ogra> yeah, similar
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| 09:02 | oh yes
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| 09:02 | i'd love a kapitän
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| 09:02 | though i'D be happy with a commodore V6 coupe ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Opel_Commodore3.JPG
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| 09:03 | <sbalneav> Ahh, musclecar
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| 09:03 | <ogra> though one car i'll *definately* own in my life at some point still is that http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Volvop18395va1961front.jpg
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| 09:03 | the most beautiful car i know :)
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| 09:05 | <stgraber> hey scotty !!!
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| 09:05 | * Gadi waves good morning | |
| 09:06 | <sbalneav> Morning stgraber, Gadi
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| 09:06 | stgraber: In Quebec yet?
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| 09:06 | <stgraber> sbalneav: yup
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| 09:06 | <Gadi> ogra: catching up on my emails... do you have any reservations of using debian's udev rules for localdev?
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| 09:07 | <stgraber> sbalneav: we are working on moving to LDM for Millexterm
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| 09:07 | sbalneav: we need to do that to have italc-in-chroot working for some weird xauth stuff
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| 09:07 | <sbalneav> ah, ok
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| 09:07 | <ogra> Gadi, ?? we do that since hardy
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| 09:08 | <Gadi> no, actually you don't
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| 09:08 | :)
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| 09:08 | vagrantc showed me his rules at hackfest
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| 09:08 | <ogra> Gadi, i synced the package that was recent at feature freeze
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| 09:08 | as i did for intreid
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| 09:08 | *intrepid
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| 09:08 | <Gadi> he applies the rules in the debian/ dir
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| 09:08 | <ogra> i *synced* his package
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| 09:08 | <Gadi> ah
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| 09:08 | ok
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| 09:08 | <ogra> didnt touch it
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| 09:09 | <Gadi> lemme doublecheck
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| 09:09 | <ogra> might be that he made changes after i did that
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| 09:09 | <stgraber> sbalneav: current goal is to have some kind of todolist by the hackfest with everything we need to fix/implement (so the customers don't see it as a regression from XDMCP/gdm but as an improvement)
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| 09:09 | <Gadi> in that case, his rules should be moved out of debian/ and into upstream, no?
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| 09:09 | <ogra> in intrepid we'll definately have whats currently in his package
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| 09:09 | depends
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| 09:09 | different distros handle udev differently
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| 09:10 | thats something that has to be done with a lot of caution
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| 09:10 | our rules were initially simple enough to apply to everyone
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| 09:10 | but the more complex they get the more careful we need to be
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| 09:10 | <Gadi> I think we should keep the rules simple and handle most of the checking in the script
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| 09:10 | <ogra> ++
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| 09:11 | feel free to make changes :)
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| 09:11 | for localde i trust vagrants package since hardy anyway
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| 09:11 | i only changed one line that broke cdrom naming in hardy
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| 09:11 | but far after the last sync
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| 09:12 | <Gadi> ok - I plan to make some mods, so I just wanted to check what the state of the union is
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| 09:12 | <ogra> he fixed that in a better way upstream afaik ... thats in intrepid
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| 09:12 | upstream > distro
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| 09:12 | thats the state of the union :)
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| 09:12 | <Gadi> most of what has been discussed on the listserv is easily implemented along with other mods vagrantc and I spoke about at hackfest
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| 09:12 | <ogra> so getting it in there is always preferred
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| 09:13 | <Gadi> in other news... does intrepid still have virtualbox issues?
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| 09:13 | <ogra> just keep it in single patches :P
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| 09:13 | <Gadi> or have those been resolved?
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| 09:13 | <ogra> yes
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| 09:13 | no
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| 09:13 | <Gadi> :(
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| 09:13 | <ogra> but you can boot with a special parameter
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| 09:13 | makes vbox slower though
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| 09:13 | <Gadi> do you have notes?
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| 09:13 | or should I use some other vm?
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| 09:13 | <ogra> i didnt come around yet t update the modules to 2.6.27-2 though
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| 09:14 | <ogra> so it might not work anyway
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| 09:14 | unless you compile the mods
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| 09:14 | noreplace-paravirt is the bootoption
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| 09:15 | that will prevent the oops
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| 09:15 | currently kernel and vbox devs seem to blame each other
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| 09:15 | which doesnt help with the resolution
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| 09:16 | <Gadi> great - I have had trouble setting up a testbed for stuff in trunk because of it
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| 09:16 | <ogra> in other notes i officially moved teams at canonical this monday
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| 09:16 | which means i have more and different work duties
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| 09:16 | <Gadi> congrats?
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| 09:16 | :(
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| 09:16 | <ogra> yes, but eve less time for ltsp
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| 09:16 | <Gadi> I guess now, you are on par with the rest of us working stiffs ;)
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| 09:17 | <ogra> though my duties are more focused in single tasks now
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| 09:17 | not widespread over the whole distro
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| 09:17 | as it was until now
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| 09:17 | edubuntu is likely not having a CD with 8.10
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| 09:17 | will only become a task on the DVD
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| 09:17 | so i have to care less for that one
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| 09:18 | which leaves ltsp as my main distro responsibility
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| 09:18 | all the rest is mobile focused
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| 09:19 | btw http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/04/dells-inspiron-mini-9-pops-official/
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| 09:19 | <ogra> Inspiron 910u $349 ... ubuntu
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| 09:19 | and i can tell you the kbd and case are just awesome ...
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| 09:20 | eee is nothing compared to that
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| 09:20 | <stgraber> ogra: this one is already on my list of things to buy :)
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| 09:20 | <ogra> yeah, i would buy one myself if i wouldnt drown in HW already :)
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| 09:21 | but my future is filled with touchscreens :)
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| 09:21 | less keyboards
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| 09:21 | * ogra is just in the last steps of getting evtouch support working roperly with the new hal-input | |
| 09:21 | <ogra> all other devices will really lose with the new model
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| 09:22 | <stgraber> hmm, I almost never use my mouse/trackpad/touchpad but I use the keyboard all the time so I'm not sure how I'd work with a touchscreen :)
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| 09:22 | <ogra> well, the OS and UI are totally different
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| 09:22 | i'll also move forward in the exciting world of ARM :)
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| 09:23 | so we'll soon have ARM based touchscreen thin clients, stay tuned :)
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| 09:23 | <stgraber> hmm, thin clients ... you'll have the same problem as with powerpc when it comes to generating new chroots or updating existing ones
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| 09:24 | <ogra> indeed
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| 09:24 | but there are properly working VM environments for arm already in debian
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| 09:24 | <ogra> that makes such stuff easier
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| 09:24 | anyway, i need to rush out
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| 09:53 | <wigwam> please, why ltsp-update-kernels replaces my pxelinux.cfg/default ?
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| 09:54 | and how to prevent it?
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| 10:06 | <sbalneav> wigwam: Well, it just copies the kernels from the chroot
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| 10:07 | We don't have any code in there to detect if you have a 'changed' pxelinux.cfg/default,
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| 10:07 | <warren> wigwam: try Fedora's LTSP5, it doesn't replace pxelinux.cfg/default
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| 10:08 | <sbalneav> so for now, I'd suggest either warren's suggestion (hi Warren) or, back it up before the update.
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| 10:08 | <warren> hi
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| 10:08 | <sbalneav> We should probably have something in the code to not overwrite it if it's changes
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| 10:09 | or, if you've got a pxelinux.cfg mumble in your /etc/ltsp, copy that one over, or something.
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| 10:10 | <wigwam> where is located pxelinux.cfg/default in chroot please?
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| 10:11 | ah, /boot, am i right?
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| 10:11 | <Guaraldo> Hey, Scottyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy!!!
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| 10:11 | How are you, man?
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| 10:12 | <Nubae> hmm is it still true that one can run a 133 or 233 mhz in hardy and intrepid?
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| 10:12 | <Guaraldo> sbalneav: Many time passed, dude! How is everything?
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| 10:12 | <Nubae> as a thin client
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| 10:14 | <warren> Nubae: the mhz is very misleading
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| 10:14 | Nubae: I used old 133MHz pentium mmx that were much faster than brand new 200MHz thin clients today.
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| 10:15 | Nubae: (ebox 2300)
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| 10:15 | <Nubae> well, its a consideration for documentation, should I increase the minimum to something usable like 500mhz
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| 10:17 | <warren> it simply isn't that easy
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| 10:17 | there exist 500mhz machines that are that slow now
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| 10:17 | Nubae: how much RAM does the docs say?
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| 10:19 | <Nubae> hmmm unless I'm missing something it doesn't mention ram
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| 10:21 | but edubuntu docs mention 128MB to run a workstation, which sounds about right for thin clients...
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| 10:21 | but in LTSP docos, no mention of ram on the thin client... weird
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| 10:22 | 2mb pci vga card is mentioned as minimum vga requirements
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| 10:23 | <warren> I highly doubt it would work with anything less than 32MB today
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| 10:24 | <Nubae> warren: 32MB ram or 32MB video ram?
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| 10:24 | <warren> video RAM
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| 10:25 | <Nubae> ok, so around 533mhz+, 32mb pci vga card+, 128mb+ for a usable experience
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| 10:26 | <warren> below 96MB RAM performance will degrade but it is usable
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| 10:26 | perhaps 48MB is the minimum RAM
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| 10:26 | <Nubae> I'll mention it can be used, but not recommended
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| 10:26 | <Guaraldo> warren: in vesa mode, 2MB is useful...
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| 10:34 | <Blinny> I've managed to twist my thin clients' chroot into little knots in Ubuntu Hardy. With newer (2.6.24-19) kernels, I have big gvfs problems that prevent users from logging in. When I downgrade to 2.6.24-18, I have problems with PS2 mice in older, pentium 1 clients. Anyone have time to help me triage this?
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| 10:36 | <Nubae> sounds like u need a ltsp surgeon...
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| 10:38 | <Blinny> I can certainly re-run ltsp-build-client but I'm afraid of all the gvfs problems that come w/ the latest & greatest kernel.
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| 10:55 | <sbalneav> Blinny: What's the gvfs problem?
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| 10:57 | <Blinny> sbalneav: Machines with floppy drives don't allow the users to log in - seems to spawn multiple gvfs mounts in different locations. Some under /media, some under /home/user/.gvfs and some under /tmp -- many many gvfs trash mounts. The user is authenticated, and then sits staring at a black screen.
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| 10:57 | sbalneav: I have a test box that has a fully updated chroot that I can make the issue occur if you'd like more info - I know that isn't very detailed.
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| 10:57 | <cilkay> Blinny: With a blinking cursor at the top left corner?
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| 10:58 | <Nubae> Blinny: oh THAT problem... that was supposed to have been fixed with hardy...
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| 10:58 | cilkay: sounds like vga problems
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| 10:58 | <cilkay> No, it would boot sometimes and I'd see the display just fine.
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| 10:59 | The problem only manifested itself if the machine in question wasn't the first machine to boot.
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| 10:59 | <Nubae> Blinny: would you happen to have all your users in one group, as opposed in their own groups (ie username:username)
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| 10:59 | <Blinny> Nubae: No.
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| 10:59 | <Nubae> I had all my users in name.users and that really messed with gvfs
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| 10:59 | <Blinny> cilkay: No blinking cursor - I'm at full resolution.
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| 10:59 | <Nubae> I fixed that and then fixed the issues you mention
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| 11:00 | <Blinny> cilkay: These are clients where, if I downgrade to 2.6.24-18 log in fine.
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| 11:00 | <Nubae> I have not upgraded to latest kernel yet
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| 11:00 | <cilkay> Aha. I'll try that too.
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| 11:03 | <Blinny> Again - only clients with floppy drives
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| 11:03 | If I disable fd0 in the BIOS they work OK
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| 11:03 | <sbalneav> Do they need floppies?
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| 11:04 | <Blinny> No.
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| 11:04 | Except for the dual-boot Win boxes.
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| 11:04 | Floppies _do_ work with 2.6.24-18
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| 11:05 | <sbalneav> hm
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| 11:05 | <Blinny> I'm guessing it has something to do with this: http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=2008-3275
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| 11:05 | (from upstream kernel changes shown in Update Manager)
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| 11:05 | ...but that's a wild guess...
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| 11:05 | <sbalneav> But, if you use the older kernel, some mice don't work?
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| 11:07 | <Blinny> I think we've got a handle on that issue now.
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| 11:10 | <Blinny> but this gvfs thing is nasty
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| 11:11 | It could be an unintended consequence of the process-killing script that Gadi developed that we're using, however I don't know how kernel version changes would make/break this.
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| 13:00 | <Lns> Hey all
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| 15:57 | <johnny> vagrantc_, are you about?
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| 16:02 | <vagrantc_> johnny: am now
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| 16:02 | !question
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| 16:02 | <ltspbot`> vagrantc_: "question" is if you have a question about ltsp, please go ahead and ask it, and people will respond if they can. please also mention the linux distro and release you're using. :)
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| 16:02 | <vagrantc_> :)
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| 16:02 | <johnny> removing the leading slash from /ltsp/x86/pxelinux.0 makes all clients boot
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| 16:02 | <vagrantc_> oh, weird.
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| 16:02 | <johnny> i don't have a question
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| 16:03 | i just wanted to tell you that :)
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| 16:03 | <vagrantc_> could have just told me that :)
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| 16:03 | johnny: using dnsmasq?
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| 16:03 | <johnny> yes
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| 16:03 | <vagrantc_> curious.
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| 16:04 | glad to see gentoo merged into ltsp-trunk :)
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| 16:05 | <johnny> yeah.. donnie's wife had a baby
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| 16:05 | so he rushed it through
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| 16:05 | i'm going to try to commit soon
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| 16:05 | got some fixes to the init scripts
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| 16:05 | i stole the tftp stuff from warrent
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| 16:05 | warren*
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| 16:06 | neither of our initramfs generators include the tftp stuff like your initramfs-tools stuff does
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| 16:06 | <warren> any changes that touch our codepaths?
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| 16:06 | <johnny> warren, no
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| 16:06 | <warren> ok cool
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| 16:06 | <johnny> altho i'd like to remove 80_ltsp_sound
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| 16:06 | from the root
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| 16:06 | <vagrantc_> johnny: you doing NBD or NFS ?
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| 16:06 | <johnny> just nfs right now
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| 16:07 | going to get to nbd eventually..
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| 16:07 | <vagrantc_> johnny: 80_ltsp_sound is only used on ubuntu, if anywhere, as far as i can tell.
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| 16:07 | <johnny> i thought i checked to make sure it wasn't even used there
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| 16:07 | <vagrantc_> johnny: shouldn't need tftp in the initramfs with NFS
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| 16:07 | <warren> I don't do tftp in initramfs in NFS or NBD
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| 16:08 | <vagrantc_> warren: how do you get a new lts.conf ?
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| 16:08 | <johnny> so.. now i have 4 clients :)
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| 16:08 | at home
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| 16:08 | <warren> vagrantc_: happens after initrd
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| 16:08 | <vagrantc_> ah.
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| 16:08 | <johnny> 2 vboxes, laptop, desktop
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| 16:08 | * vagrantc_ forgets why ogra wanted it in the initramfs | |
| 16:09 | <johnny> i also wouldn't mind having all the manpages in a man directory..
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| 16:09 | and moving the scripts to bin/
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| 16:09 | <vagrantc_> yeah, the manpages are kind of a mess right now.
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| 16:09 | <johnny> easier to package that way..
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| 16:11 | both debian/ubuntu and fedora/k21 linux have stuff scattered across the tree
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| 16:11 | lol.. k12 linux :)
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| 16:11 | k21linux.. ltsp for those of drinking age..
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| 16:13 | warren, i've worked with upstream projects before.. you don't need to tell me to get approval before doing such things
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| 16:13 | i play nice, i promise
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| 16:14 | <warren> johnny: yes, I'm less worried about you
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| 16:15 | certain other people here have had a 90% patch rejection rate
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| 16:15 | just bad code, or bad ideas
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| 16:15 | or incomplete
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| 16:16 | <johnny> well.. incomplete can be good, as long is it is for the idea of it.. an initial implementation, or test of an idea
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| 16:16 | not submitted directly against the repo for inclusion
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| 16:17 | hey hey warren..be nice :)
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| 16:17 | <warren> incomplete is not good when you actually do the wrong thing becuse you didn't think of other archs, for example.
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| 16:17 | * johnny sends warren to charm school | |
| 16:17 | <warren> screw that.
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| 16:17 | =)
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| 16:18 | <johnny> but.. imo.. if something can benefit specific arches, and just can't plain work on other arches, i don't have a problem with it becoming available to those it can help
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| 16:18 | helping the wider range of people is more important sometimes
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| 16:19 | <warren> sure, but I rejected the first two versions of it because it didn't consider other archs at all
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| 16:19 | <johnny> after all.. that is the point of this project.. to help people, not achieve total code purity
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| 16:19 | <warren> the next version of it should be OK, but then I think it belongs in an optional add-on, not default
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| 16:19 | <johnny> that's what i'm gonna do with it
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| 16:19 | hmm.. ltsp-contrib repo ?
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| 16:20 | <warren> haven't decided yet
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| 16:20 | I think I posted something about this on the list
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| 16:20 | asking for other opinions
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| 16:20 | <johnny> i'm only recently subscribed.. i missed alot of posts ..
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| 16:21 | i was keeping up with the sf web interface..
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| 16:21 | but does it suck
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| 16:21 | ...
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| 16:21 | <warren> yeah, sf sucks a lot
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| 16:21 | <johnny> how can it be so bad
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| 16:21 | after so long
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| 16:21 | <warren> no motivation to make it better
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| 16:21 | <johnny> i have motivation..
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| 16:21 | to make it better
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| 16:22 | altho.. i guess i wouldn't mind something more decentralized..
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| 16:22 | we need an archive.org type project for open source
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| 16:53 | <johnny> warren, your ip command for the auto host names doesn't work here
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| 16:53 | to get the ip
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| 16:53 | it says 0/0 isn't a valid prefix
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| 16:53 | this bit from ltsp-update-sshkeys seems to work tho
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| 16:53 | /sbin/ip -o -f inet addr show | sed -e 's,.* \(.*\)/.*,\1,' | grep -v '^127'
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| 16:54 | iproute2 isn't a required package on gentoo, we still default to ifconfig
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| 16:54 | so i'm not that familiar with it, except in the context of networkmanager requiring it i think
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| 16:57 | which reminds me.. would it be fair to add a bit to ltsp-update-sshkeys to fallback on ifconfig ?
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| 16:58 | <vagrantc_> it's not default on debian either, we just simply depend on it in our package.
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| 17:19 | <johnny> vagrantc_, for a specific reason?
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| 17:19 | why not just use ifconfig if it exists?
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| 17:19 | <vagrantc_> johnny: iproute is the way of the future, and it's been that was since before ltsp5 was ltsp5 :)
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| 17:20 | <johnny> then why isn't it default in either of our distros?
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| 17:20 | <vagrantc_> because they're curmudgeonly
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| 17:20 | <johnny> upon which yours is even releasing with ifconfig AGAIN?
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| 17:20 | iproute2 syntax sucks anyways
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| 17:21 | <vagrantc_> suffer :P
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| 17:21 | * johnny kicks vagrantc_ | |
| 17:21 | * vagrantc_ dares johnny to grab vagrantc_'s wrists | |
| 17:21 | <johnny> i'll just go for the hair :)O
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| 17:21 | <Lns> "Grab my arm. The other arm. MY other arm."
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| 17:22 | <johnny> lol
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| 19:37 | <petre> warren, ping
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| 20:34 | <kwak> hi, i successfully installed fedora 9 with ltsp 5 using the LiveUSB last night and it's working fine. booting all my clients. my question is how do I change the login screens on the clients. i used gdmsetup before, but now can't
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| 20:56 | <cilkay> I want my LTSP server to do double duty as a Clonezilla http://www.clonezilla.org/ server. Is that feasible or am I just asking for trouble?
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| 20:57 | <petre> kwak, I'm not sure, but the default one you see now will probably change in the not-too-distant
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| 20:57 | <cilkay> I think if I modified /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default, it should be feasible to provide an option for NetBoot or Reimage.
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| 20:57 | <petre> future to something referencing k12linux
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| 20:59 | <cilkay> I'm going to have a mix of fat and thin clients, depending on use so it makes sense for the LTSP server to do double duty.
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| 21:02 | <johnny> cilkay, i wouldn't overload your server too much..
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| 21:02 | but it's possible to set that per
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| 21:02 | kwak, it isn't gdm.. so gdm setup won't work
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| 21:03 | ubuntu has their own theme they use
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| 21:03 | it's not bad
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| 21:03 | somebody needs to make one for me
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| 21:03 | actually that reminds me...
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| 21:03 | oh.. jam isn't here
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| 21:03 | i wonder if we could have an ltsp contest for artwork
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| 21:03 | one for each distro
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| 21:03 | <cilkay> The "overload" part is nothing that more hardware resources can't cure. :) I was just inquiring about the technical feasibility.
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| 21:04 | <johnny> it'd be nice if they all used the distro's native
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| 21:04 | type stylings
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| 21:04 | <cilkay> I discovered a few scary things about GDM themes today.
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| 21:04 | <johnny> but with LTSP in the word
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| 21:04 | err in the logoish
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| 21:04 | well sure.. if they pxe boot
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| 21:04 | but.. that'd be one more button to press, to choose between either
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| 21:05 | <cilkay> I presume one can set the default to be NetBoot.
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| 21:05 | <johnny> easier to just serve it up off another nic and dhcp
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| 21:05 | sure..
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| 21:05 | it does have menu support
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| 21:06 | <cilkay> I didn't like how the screen went dark and resynced after a user entered their username into GDM and hit return so I was on a quest to find a GDM theme that has username and password on one screen to avoid that bit of ugliness.
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| 21:07 | By switching the theme to the Human with Faces GDM theme, I could consistently lock up the server.
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| 21:07 | No keyboard control. No ssh access. Only power cycling the machine had any effect.
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| 21:17 | <kwak> so johnny, you have solution?
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| 21:18 | <agross> greetings all.
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| 21:19 | yum install ltsp-server
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| 21:19 | Loading "fastestmirror" plugin
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| 21:19 | Loading mirror speeds from cached hostfile
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| 21:19 | * base: centos.omnispring.com
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| 21:19 | * updates: centos.omnispring.com
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| 21:19 | * addons: mirror.nic.uoregon.edu
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| 21:19 | * extras: yum.singlehop.com
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| 21:19 | Setting up Install Process
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| 21:19 | Parsing package install arguments
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| 21:19 | No package ltsp-server available.
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| 21:19 | Nothing to do
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| 21:20 | CentOS5. can't find a repository to add in the documentation, or a direct link to an rpm.
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| 21:23 | <petre> agross, ltsp is not in the Centos repos
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| 21:23 | download it from here:
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| 21:23 | https://fedorahosted.org/k12linux/
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| 21:24 | it's only for Fedora 9 ATM
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| 21:25 | although Warren had a F9 chroot working on a Centos 5 server a week or so ago
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| 21:27 | <agross> hmmm... easier on debian/ubuntu?
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| 21:55 | <petre> yes, for now
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| 23:18 | <kwak> i added a user in fedora 9 for my thin clients, but can't login from the client machine.
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| 23:18 | tring again
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| 23:18 | trying again
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| 23:19 | <johnny> added it where?
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| 23:20 | to the server ? and not to the ltsp chroot ?
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| 23:20 | you want it on the server
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| 23:21 | <kwak> yeap, to the server. so that's wrong? in the guide there's a command to add i think luseradd, but didn't work.
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| 23:21 | <johnny> you want it on the server
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| 23:21 | but not in the chroot
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| 23:21 | if you can ssh to your server IP
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| 23:21 | as that user
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| 23:21 | it should work
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| 23:24 | <kwak> o you mean, in FC9 when i create users for the thin client, it's not done on the server?
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| 23:25 | <johnny> no
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| 23:25 | i'm saying the opposite
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| 23:26 | i just wanted to clarify .. sorry for making it more confusing
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| 23:26 | the chroot contains no users
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| 23:26 | try sshing to your user account..
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| 23:26 | the one you created
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| 23:26 | make sure that works
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| 23:27 | <kwak> yes, it works.
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| 23:28 | <johnny> and make sure it isn't hte user you are logged in as
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| 23:29 | on the gui
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| 23:29 | <kwak> so how do I add users to chroot? im new to this thing. Im also planning to add users in the WIndows AD, so users logging in to thin clients will authenticate to the AD
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| 23:29 | <johnny> you don't
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| 23:29 | just add them to the server
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| 23:29 | and setup ldap there
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| 23:29 | make sure tho
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| 23:30 | that all the users are in groups of their own name
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| 23:30 | as the primary group
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| 23:30 | that way the devices only show up to those who plugged them in
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| 23:33 | <kwak> so I can use root to add users is that right? i only have two accounts (root and mine)
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| 23:34 | <johnny> create another
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| 23:34 | and login with that
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| 23:34 | not as the user you are already logged in as
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| 23:34 | that is probably why it didn't work
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| 23:39 | <kwak> k
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| 23:46 | it's giving me headache. now thin clients are not getting IP from DHCP.
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| 23:46 | after restart
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| 23:46 | of the server.
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| 23:48 | <johnny> uhmm.. make sure dhcp is running :)
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| 23:53 | <horochovec> hello, i'm trying to use ltsp 5 on debian lenny, but on thinclient on boot i have this error: PXE-T01: File not found
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| 23:54 | any idea to help-me?
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| 23:54 | <johnny> probably your tftp server isn't setup or that it isn't point to the right place?
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| 23:54 | or that the files don't exist..
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| 23:55 | <horochovec> well jonnor
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| 23:55 | johnny..
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| 23:55 | 3000 ? Ss 0:00 /usr/sbin/in.tftpd -l -s /tftpboot
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| 23:55 | <johnny> and what's in /tftpboot ?
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| 23:55 | <horochovec> ltsp/
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| 23:56 | <johnny> and inside that?
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| 23:56 | <horochovec> and in ltsp.. the pxelinux.0 ...
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| 23:56 | vmlinuz... and other files of boot
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| 23:56 | <johnny> i thought it'd be ltsp/i386
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| 23:56 | and then other junk side
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| 23:56 | inside*
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| 23:56 | all the kernels and stuff
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| 23:57 | well.. i guess that should work
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| 23:57 | and your dhcp server?
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| 23:57 | what config for that
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| 23:57 | !ltspbot
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| 23:57 | <ltspbot`> johnny: Error: "ltspbot" is not a valid command.
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| 23:57 | <johnny> !pastebot
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| 23:57 | <ltspbot`> johnny: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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| 23:57 | <johnny> use that
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| 23:57 | <horochovec> ok
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| 23:57 | one moment
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| 23:58 | <ltsppbot> "horochovec" pasted "dhcpd.conf" (27 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/58
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