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| 08:07 | <elias_a> Good day in the sense "there is life after vacation" :)
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| 08:28 | <Joanet> hi all, is there any way to detect if running client is fat or thin apart of checking the hostname?
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| 08:50 | <Hyperbyte> Joanet, several variables... including the hostname.
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| 08:50 | Compare output of "export" between the two sessions and pick whatever variable you like to compare.
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| 09:01 | <Joanet> Hyperbyte: thanks
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| 13:00 | <BrianH> Looking for some help setting up my ltsp server & client. When I boot the thin client, it's hanging at loading the pxelinux.0 image, and eventually errors out with unable to load. Any thoughts?
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| 13:02 | <alkisg> Distro/version?
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| 13:02 | <BrianH> ubuntu 12.04
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| 13:02 | <alkisg> !quiet-splash
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| 13:02 | <ltsp> quiet-splash: to disable the splash screen in Ubuntu, in order to see any boot error messages, run sudo gedit /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default and remove quiet splash plymouth:force-splash vt.handoff=7
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| 13:02 | <BrianH> It's not even getting to the splash screen.
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| 13:02 | <alkisg> The quiet part affects pxelinux too
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| 13:03 | <BrianH> Ah, thanks. :)
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| 13:03 | <alkisg> It'll tell us if the message is from pxelinux or from the kernel
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| 13:09 | <BrianH> Target filesystem doesn't have requested /sbin/init-ltsp. No init found. Try passing init= bootarg.
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| 13:09 | Then it drops me to a busybox shell
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| 13:14 | <alkisg> BrianH: ls -l /opt/ltsp/images/i386.img
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| 13:15 | <BrianH> Actually, reading further up, it's failing to mount /dev/nbd0 on /root with an Input/Output error. Then it craps out when it can't read directories.
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| 13:15 | i386.img exists.
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| 13:15 | <alkisg> Can you paste the output here?
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| 13:16 | <BrianH> I'm on a different machine.
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| 13:16 | <alkisg> No ssh available?
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| 13:16 | <BrianH> Are you looking for the permissions?
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| 13:16 | <alkisg> The size too
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| 13:16 | And we'll need more output of other commands as well
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| 13:17 | <BrianH> Ok, 1 sec. I might be able to ssh into the server. Using several different networks at the moment.
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| 13:18 | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 268984320 Aug 8 08:30 /opt/ltsp/images/i386.img
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| 13:18 | <alkisg> Looks ok, now, sudo service nbd-server restart; sudo netstat -nap | grep 10809
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| 13:19 | <BrianH> tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:10809 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 2675/nbd-server
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| 13:19 | <alkisg> Restart the client
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| 13:20 | (there's a known bug with nbd-server; restarting it just takes our mind off that)
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| 13:20 | If it drops you to a busybox again, do: cat /proc/cmdline, and verify it has ltsp_i386 in there
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| 13:20 | <BrianH> Ok.
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| 13:21 | <alkisg> Btw, do you have 2 dhcp servers on your network?
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| 13:21 | <BrianH> Weird, it's not doing a verbose boot anymore.
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| 13:21 | No, I'm using a host only network through virtualbox.
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| 13:22 | <alkisg> So, virtual server and virtual host?
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| 13:22 | <BrianH> And the host network has DHCP disabled.
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| 13:22 | <alkisg> *thin client?
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| 13:22 | <BrianH> Yes
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| 13:22 | <alkisg> OK
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| 13:22 | How are you booting the thin client? With the vbox extension pack, with ipxe.iso...?
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| 13:23 | <BrianH> No, I just made a new VM, setup the NIC to use the host only adapter and switched to the PCnet FAST III adapter.
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| 13:24 | I tried using the intel adapters but none of them would PXE boot the VM
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| 13:24 | <alkisg> You'll need the extension pack for that
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| 13:24 | Although I think the embedded boot "rom" has problems with pcnet too
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| 13:25 | Are you on an ubuntu box? Or a windows one?
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| 13:25 | <BrianH> The host server is ubuntu 13.04
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| 13:25 | <alkisg> sudo apt-get install ipxe
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| 13:25 | And use /usr/lib/ipxe/ipxe.iso to boot the thin client
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| 13:29 | <BrianH> Ok
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| 13:30 | iPXE is failing.
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| 13:30 | <alkisg> Heh. Try with the intel nic too
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| 13:30 | (although in my experience, ipxe worked with pcnet as well...)
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| 13:30 | <BrianH> Any one in particular?
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| 13:31 | <alkisg> Nope, I think both the desktop and the server nics worked
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| 13:31 | <BrianH> Working
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| 13:32 | Setting up ndb-client ...
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| 13:33 | Connection timed out. Exiting. done.
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| 13:33 | <alkisg> Busybox'
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| 13:33 | ?
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| 13:33 | Or that one was later on?
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| 13:33 | <BrianH> Ah, yeah it took a couple seconds.
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| 13:34 | <alkisg> Did you get a busybox shell?
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| 13:34 | <BrianH> Yep.
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| 13:34 | <alkisg> cat /proc/cmdline
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| 13:34 | Type anything nbd-related here
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| 13:34 | E.g. nbdroot=:ltsp_i386
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| 13:35 | <BrianH> nbdroot=:ltsp+i386
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| 13:35 | yep
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| 13:35 | <alkisg> OK, let's check your nbd setup
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| 13:35 | grep -rv '^#' /etc/nbd*
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| 13:35 | !pastebin
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| 13:35 | <ltsp> pastebin: the LTSP pastebin is at http://ltsp.pastebin.com. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebin, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. Don't forget to paste the URL of the text here.
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| 13:35 | <alkisg> (server)
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| 13:36 | <BrianH> Weird
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| 13:36 | I lost ssh
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| 13:37 | Ah ... the IP changed.
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| 13:37 | Setting up a static IP for it right now.
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| 13:41 | https://gist.github.com/bchynds/6db872fbad47082f0862
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| 13:42 | <alkisg> And the `cat /proc/cmdline` was showing ltsp_i386, not ltsp_amd64, right?
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| 13:42 | <BrianH> Yes.
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| 13:42 | <alkisg> OK, let's try manually mouting the nbd image
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| 13:42 | !nbd-client
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| 13:42 | <ltsp> nbd-client: To try mounting the NBD image from the client initramfs: nbd-client 192.168.67.1 -N /opt/ltsp/i386 /dev/nbd0
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| 13:42 | <alkisg> Run this one instead:
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| 13:42 | nbd-client <server-ip> -N :ltsp_i386 /dev/nbd0
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| 13:42 | ...from the client busybox
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| 13:43 | ...I'm not 100% sure if the : is supposed to go there or not, try it both with and without it
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| 13:43 | In the meantime, on the server, do a `tail -F /var/log/syslog` and check for errors
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| 13:44 | <BrianH> Socket unreachable, network is unreachable
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| 13:45 | err, Socket failed*
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| 13:45 | <alkisg> And `ip addr show` does show you an IP?
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| 13:45 | <BrianH> Yeah
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| 13:45 | <alkisg> What IP does your client have, and what IP does your server have?
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| 13:46 | <BrianH> It's all on a local network. Client:10.10.10.103 ... Server: 10.10.10.10
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| 13:46 | <alkisg> Can you ping the client from the server?
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| 13:46 | <BrianH> Oh wait
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| 13:46 | Client is on 10.10.0.13
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| 13:46 | <alkisg> So you have the vbox dhcp server active?
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| 13:47 | <BrianH> No, checking the dchpd.conf on he ltsp server now.
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| 13:47 | Might be a type
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| 13:47 | typo*
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| 13:48 | Weird ... It's not.
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| 13:48 | <alkisg> On the client, this command does a dhcp request:
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| 13:48 | ipconfig -n eth0
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| 13:48 | Check its result, it should be in 10.10.10.x
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| 13:49 | <BrianH> I double checked the dhcp on the virt network and it'd disabled too.
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| 13:49 | The client is getting 10.10.0.13 somehow
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| 13:49 | <alkisg> Pastebin your /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf, and restart your dhcp server...
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| 13:50 | <BrianH> https://gist.github.com/bchynds/6db872fbad47082f0862
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| 13:51 | <alkisg> option root-path is wrong, but it shouldn't matter...
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| 13:52 | Stop your server's dhcp server, then run ipconfig -n eth0 again
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| 13:52 | If it gets an IP, you have another dhcp server somewhere
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| 13:53 | <gvy> there are dhcping, dhcp_probe and there were several rugue dhcp server detection scripts out there
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| 13:53 | <alkisg> You can also run ipconfig on the server, if you want... /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/lib/klibc/bin/ipconfig -n eth0
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| 13:53 | (with sudo)
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| 13:54 | That's a fake request, it doesn't apply the IP it gets
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| 13:55 | <BrianH> I stopped the isc-dhcp-server and ran ipconfig -n eth0 on the client, and its getting 10.10.0.13 somehow. There's nothing else on this network too. It's a virtual host-only network in which only the ltsp server and the client are using.
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| 13:56 | <alkisg> I think that's vbox's server
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| 13:57 | There's a quick way to bypass the vbox dhcp,
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| 13:57 | !ipappend
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| 13:57 | <ltsp> ipappend: o temporarily solve DHCP problems in the initramfs, try putting IPAPPEND 3 after the APPEND line in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default. More info: http://www.syslinux.org/wiki/index.php/SYSLINUX#IPAPPEND_flag_val_.5BPXELINUX_only.5D
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| 13:57 | <alkisg> That will allow your client to boot, without solving the vbox dhcp issue
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| 13:57 | It will reuse the IP it gets from the real server instead of requesting a new one at the initramfs stage
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| 13:57 | <BrianH> Even though I have dhcp disabled on the virtual network?
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| 13:58 | <alkisg> Maybe vbox needs some kind of restarting to get the change, dunno
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| 13:58 | <BrianH> Checking VBoxManage list dhcpservers ...
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| 14:00 | It has 1 listed, with the 10.10.0.x IP range, but it's disabled ... Going to try enabling it, switching the range and disabling it. This is a serious bug if this works.
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| 14:02 | <BrianH> Nope ... Switched the ranges, disabled, and the PCE client is still picking up a 10.10.0.x IP ... *sigh*
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| 14:02 | PXE*
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| 14:02 | trying IPAPPEND
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| 14:05 | <BrianH> It's still picking up the 10.10.0.x IP
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| 14:05 | Err, wait, forgot to restart the server
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| 14:07 | It's booting now.
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| 14:08 | And now I have a thin client login. :) Thank you so much alkisg
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| 14:09 | I
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| 14:09 | I'll have to figure out what's going on with the dhcp server through vbox
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| 14:11 | Any pointers on how to setup the ltsp dhcpd.conf to work with 32-bit and 64-bit clients?
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| 14:11 | Most of the documentation I found only shows how to setup for working with one or the other.
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| 14:22 | <alkisg> BrianH: usually you only need an i386 chroot
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| 14:22 | Only for very specific setups you need both i386 and amd64
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| 14:23 | i386 chroots can boot clients with up to 64Gb RAM
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| 14:23 | <BrianH> Ah, gotcha.
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| 14:25 | My next step is to switch this over to a router and get some actual clients booting into it.
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| 14:25 | I didn't know if there would be any issues with 64bit systems connecting to it.
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| 14:33 | <other_other_joe> hello folks
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| 14:34 | I was hoping to bug someone for some pointers on ldm, rc.d scripts
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| 14:34 | <alkisg> Shoot
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| 14:35 | <other_other_joe> well, I've got an S script that mounts my users specific home directory via NFS when they log in
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| 14:35 | that's all good
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| 14:35 | but I'd like my K script to umount it on the way out and it doesn't seem to be happening
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| 14:36 | <alkisg> Ouch, yeah, you hit a problem there
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| 14:36 | <other_other_joe> nothing dumps to ldm.log so, I was wondering if anyone could suggest a good way to debug that
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| 14:36 | <alkisg> Let me see if I can find a link for you...
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| 14:36 | <other_other_joe> Thanks, I appreciate it
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| 14:36 | <alkisg> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ltsp/+bug/1093144
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| 14:37 | The main problem is that /home/username is still in use when the K* scripts run
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| 14:37 | So the unmounting can't happen unless you use umount -l, which isn't a clean way to do it,
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| 14:37 | so you'd have to use a kill-all-processes script before issuing the unmount command
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| 14:38 | <other_other_joe> aw yea, I was hoping to avoid the -f/l
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| 14:38 | <alkisg> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/ltsp-trunk/revision/2462
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| 14:38 | Commit this one, then re-try your unmount script
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| 14:38 | Hmm although you need to match for NFS too
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| 14:38 | That one only matches sshfs
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| 14:39 | <other_other_joe> ah, yea
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| 14:40 | <other_other_joe> well, at least I know I'm not crazy :)
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| 14:42 | <alkisg> No worries; I spend many weeks troubleshooting that bug :-/
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| 14:44 | <other_other_joe> well I appreciate the heads up on it, for sure. I'm trying to get this setup for the first time in my office and I'm finding mostly I'm running into documentation issues
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| 14:45 | the "P" scripts in the rc.d directory for instance appear to be pre-ssh scripts for instance
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| 14:45 | I didn't see that documented anywhere
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| 14:47 | <alkisg> True, it's only documented inside some script in there
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| 14:48 | <other_other_joe> yea
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| 14:48 | must be newer than the pdf I got
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| 14:50 | <alkisg> other_other_joe: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/ldm-trunk/view/head:/share/ldm-script.in
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| 14:51 | <other_other_joe> :)
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| 14:55 | Thanks again for the support alkisg. I'm gonna run off and try to get this working with LDAP now. bbl
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| 15:36 | <servercbe> hello! Good morning! how can i get connect with the epoptes channel??
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| 15:44 | <epopteshelpme> hi. I am using Epoptes 0.5.5, to control 21 computers, I have a Ci3, ubuntu 12.04.02, Núcleo Linux 3.5.0-37-generic, 64 bit and wpoptes some times doesnt recognize all the users, just 4 0r 5 from 21! any idea why?
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| 15:49 | <servercbe> hi. I am using Epoptes 0.5.5, to control 21 computers, I have a Ci3, ubuntu 12.04.02, Núcleo Linux 3.5.0-37-generic, 64 bit and wpoptes some times doesnt recognize all the users, just 4 0r 5 from 21! any idea why?
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| 15:50 | <alkisg> servercbe: are you using ltsp?
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| 15:51 | <servercbe> yes
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| 15:51 | <alkisg> Did you install epoptes in the chroot?
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| 15:51 | epoptes-client, that is...
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| 15:51 | <servercbe> no
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| 15:51 | <alkisg> http://www.epoptes.org/installation
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| 15:51 | <alkisg> "Client package installation for LTSP chroots"
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| 15:52 | <servercbe> When I installed edubuntu I "think" it was installed????
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| 15:53 | it use to work fine and then... didnt work
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| 15:54 | but i am reading now
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| 18:22 | <Hyperbyte> t
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| 18:31 | <BrianH> !quiet-splash
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| 18:31 | <ltsp> quiet-splash: to disable the splash screen in Ubuntu, in order to see any boot error messages, run sudo gedit /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default and remove quiet splash plymouth:force-splash vt.handoff=7
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| 22:10 | <tubble> Hello, anyone know how to fix an issue when boot LTSP from an HP thin client and getting a blank screen on a sony bravia TV
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| 22:32 | <tubble> Hello, anyone know how to fix an issue when boot LTSP from an HP thin client and getting a blank screen on a sony bravia TV?
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| 22:33 | <Enslaver> can you give more information? Distro, ltsp version, does it work without the bravia?
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| 22:36 | <tubble> It works fine with any other monitor, its the latest LTSP version running ubuntu
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| 22:39 | <vagrantc> tubble: running ltsp-info should give you more specific useful information
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| 22:39 | <jammcq> Enslaver: hey
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| 22:39 | haven't seen you around in a while
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| 22:51 | <Enslaver> yeah i've been working at a new HPC company, learning clusters and stuff
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| 22:52 | takes up most of my time
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| 22:52 | how you been
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| 22:52 | <jammcq> cool. I saw on the wiki you are interested in coming to BTS-2013
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| 22:52 | i've been good
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| 22:52 | crazy busy
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| 22:52 | <Enslaver> yeah i was gonna mention I went to the hotel website and they were all booked up for those dates
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| 22:53 | <jammcq> yeah, that's cuz WE have all the rooms reserved
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| 22:53 | You don't need to book it with them. just tell me what you want and I can set it up
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| 22:54 | <Enslaver> King bed, kosher meal, room service and a personal massuce with large hands
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| 22:54 | <jammcq> well... I think you won't get most of that
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| 22:55 | although, scotty has large hands... i'll talk to him :)
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| 22:55 | <Enslaver> beer and lobster?
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| 22:55 | <jammcq> that's easy
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| 22:55 | <Enslaver> done
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| 22:55 | <jammcq> yeah, I'll check on some kosher lobsters :)
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| 22:56 | <Enslaver> yeah just book me for those dates on the wiki, if you need payment info let me know
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| 22:56 | you have my gtalk info?
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| 22:56 | <jammcq> gtalk?
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| 22:57 | <Enslaver> hangouts?
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| 22:57 | Skype?
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| 22:57 | CTCP?
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| 22:57 | <jammcq> yeah, I use hangouts all the time. I don't have any info for you. all I really need is your email addr
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| 22:57 | <Enslaver> enslaver@enslaver.com
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| 22:58 | <jammcq> they have a couple rooms with 1 bed, I dunno if it's king or queen size
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| 22:58 | and they have a bunch of rooms with 2 beds
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| 22:58 | same price for either
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| 22:59 | <Enslaver> doesn't matter much, whatever is easiest
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| 22:59 | <jammcq> do you mind a roommate?
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| 22:59 | maybe vagrantc would be your roommate
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| 23:01 | <Enslaver> might bring my fiance
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| 23:01 | <jammcq> ooooh
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| 23:01 | <Enslaver> unless vagrant wants the temp position
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| 23:04 | <Enslaver> headed home, hangouts me the info when you get the chance
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| 23:04 | * vagrantc isn't too keen on being a stand-in fiance | |
| 23:05 | <Enslaver> vagrantc, how are your ironing skills?
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| 23:05 | <vagrantc> not much of a metalworker, really.
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| 23:05 | <Enslaver> woodworker? :O
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| 23:20 | <andygraybeal> :)
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