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Channel log from 19 April 2007   (all times are UTC)

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<cliebow>
/join #edubuntu
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<envite>
Hello all from Spain
06:49
Hola a todos desde España
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<envite>
Is it normal for a workstation to not get the hostname?
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<mhterres>
morning
07:15
<jammcq>
hey
07:15
<mhterres>
hey jim
07:16
<ogra>
jammcq, !
07:18
<jammcq>
ogra: how's it goin?
07:19
<ogra>
like christmas :)
07:19
waiting ....
07:19
<jammcq>
feisty out today?
07:19
<ogra>
in awe
07:19
sure, at some point ...
07:19
<jammcq>
cool
07:19
<ogra>
#ubuntu has 1470 people in it atm ...
07:19
growing ...
07:20
<jammcq>
heh
07:20
<mhterres>
Oh great
07:20
I have forgot that feisty will be released today :-)
07:21
<milosz>
fisty
07:21
<cliebow_>
Cool!
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<cliebow_>
what comes after gutsy? gibbon?
07:21
<ogra>
yep
07:21
<cliebow_>
k
07:23
<ogra>
jammcq, and you wont belive it, iwj (our beloved ian) gave me lots of praise for ltsp :)
07:23
<jammcq>
no way
07:23
<ogra>
he tested the edubuntu DVDs
07:23
and filed tons of bugs about issues i never heard about before :)
07:23
<jammcq>
wow
07:23
<ogra>
but was apprently very impressed
07:24
<jammcq>
awesome, musta made you feel pretty good
07:24
<ogra>
yeah, since we still fight our little war every dday
07:24
<jammcq>
btw, looks like scotty and I will arrive in Seville on May 2nd at 8pm
07:24
<ogra>
there is nothing as good as a praise from an enemy *g*
07:25
<cliebow_>
ogra:i noticed 8~)
07:25
<ogra>
oh :(
07:25
8pm
07:25
<jammcq>
yep
07:25
<ogra>
dtrask wanted to get moquist and me out to dinner ...
07:25
<jammcq>
doesn't UES start on the 3rd?
07:25
<ogra>
yeah
07:25
<cliebow_>
jammcq doesnt like food..
07:25
<ogra>
cliebow_, i know
07:25
<jammcq>
ogra: have you been to spain before? Nobody eats dinner until 10pm
07:26
<cliebow_>
makes me hungry just thinking about it
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<ogra>
cliebow_, i made clear that they should order the vegetartian option for him at the hotel ;)
07:26
<cliebow_>
chinese!
07:26
<ogra>
heh
07:26
jammcq, ah, right
07:26
i forgot that
07:26
<jammcq>
mmmmm, food
07:26
<ogra>
(its some years ago :) )
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<cliebow_>
they coook spicy? like Mexican?
07:27
<ogra>
not that hot
07:27
<jammcq>
hmm, I don't remember the food being spicy
07:28
which means it's mostly jammcq compatible
07:28
<ogra>
lots of mediterranian herbs and stuff ...
07:28
<cliebow_>
heh..i am a hot sauce kind a guy,,
07:28
<jammcq>
yeah
07:28
<ogra>
but rather not hot
07:28
lots of seafood
07:28
<jammcq>
beef, lamb, pasta too
07:28
<cliebow_>
mmm.seafood
07:28
<jammcq>
and fish
07:28
<ogra>
yeah
07:28
<jammcq>
aparently, they have lots of cows in spain
07:29
not to mention bulls
07:29
<cliebow_>
they spear them
07:29
<ogra>
depends on the time of year i guess :P
07:29
<jammcq>
what, cows go in and out of season ?
07:29
<ogra>
indeed *g*
07:29
you didnt know ?
07:29
<cliebow_>
wives do too..
07:30
<jammcq>
last time I was there, it was late April, so this should be about the same, although I was up in Madrid and Barcelona
07:30
<ogra>
well sevilla is nearly africa
07:31
you can spit to it with a run-up
07:37
<cliebow_>
you have to spit right up over Gibraltar though?
07:38
<ogra>
yeah, in a slight bow
07:39
<cliebow_>
8~)
07:39
<ogra>
and your run-up shouldnt be to slow ...
07:39
:)
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<bengoa>
morning all
07:46
<artista_frustrad>
morning
07:46
<envite>
somebody uses dhcp 3 ?
07:47
<ogra>
envite, ubuntu and debian ...
07:47
not sure what RH uses but i'd bet they do as well
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<envite>
ogra, I'm referring to somebody here
07:50
i've a problem with dhcp 3
07:51
<mhterres>
envite, what problem ?
07:53
<envite>
mhterres: my client does not get hostname from the dhcp 3 server
07:53
<mhterres>
hmm
07:54
But the client is receiving an IP ?
07:54
<envite>
yes
07:54
and kernel
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rootfs
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even X
07:55
the problem is the hostname
07:55
I need it for LDA
07:55
<cliebow_>
envite:read the dhcp notes on wiki?
07:55
anout host decl names and such
07:55
<envite>
which one? I've searched though the wiki twice or three times today
07:56
<cliebow_>
like when using dhcp3.0.3 and higher?
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<envite>
cliebow: i've use host-decl-names
08:00
and removed
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<blippe>
does anybody know of a good guide for fat clients (preferably for ubuntu)? (with ltsp of course)
08:00
<envite>
i've used get-lease-hostnames
08:00
and removed
08:00
used both
08:00
used none
08:01
nothing works for me :(
08:02
<cliebow_>
the wiki mentions the installation section..http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LTSP-42-LocalDev#Troubleshooting
08:02
<envite>
gone there
08:02
<mhterres>
hmm
08:03
<cliebow_>
For dynamic host assignment, you'll want:
08:03
get-lease-hostnames true;
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and restart server
08:04
<blippe>
hrrm is it possible to create a "fat" client with ltsp?
08:04
<cliebow_>
you can access a server but it isnt ltsp..
08:05
blippe:elaborate what you want to do
08:06
<ogra>
blippe, easy with ltsp5
08:06
but the stuff you need around it isnt
08:07
<envite>
cliebow: trying exactly that way
08:07
<blippe>
cliebow_: mainly have the root on nfs... i read about a project for ubuntu with automates this, but it aint finished (it was pushed from edgy to feisty but as of yesterday it was in "development"), so i guess it might show up in feisty+1
08:07
<ogra>
blippe, i hope to finish it in gutsy ... but no promises, it depends on a proper network authentication mechanism
08:07
<envite>
cliebow_: no hostname
08:08
<blippe>
ogra: oh, that is great...
08:09
<ogra>
blippe, essentially it boils just down to: sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
08:09
<blippe>
ogra: but as of now, i would be better of creating a normal tftp+dhcp+nfs, install the system on a harddrive, move the system to nfs, create a new initramfs, and remove networkmanager?
08:09
<ogra>
but you need a mechanism to mount /home from the server on login and something like an ldap server for user authentication
08:10
that will leave you with the same problem
08:10
you need to authenticate the users somehow
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and /home needs to be writable
08:11
<blippe>
ogra: i actually mount the nfs rw, so i don't think i got a problem with home partition...
08:11
<ogra>
ugh
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<blippe>
it is just one system, placed in my living room, which should be noise-free
08:12
so, 1 user
08:12
<ogra>
ah
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<blippe>
i'vre tried this a couple of times and get a working "server" environment (ubuntu-standard), but whenever i install X (ubuntu-desktop) it screws up
08:13
so i thought i would be better of with ltsp
08:15
<Nex>
i got a question. i'm trying to set sound on terminal with NAS, have LTSP4.2, Debian/GNU Linux 3.1
08:15
<ogra>
why dont you just install an ubuntu desktop then :)
08:15
Nex, nas ? phew why dont you use something modern ?
08:15
<Nex>
when i try to play sound, it comes out from server, not from terminal:(
08:16
<envite>
cliebow_ ?
08:16
<Nex>
it was first thing i've tried
08:16
nas
08:16
<ogra>
Nex, ltsp5 shipped in etch has decent sound support
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<ogra>
(builtin i mean)
08:17
<kaminski-ltsp-br>
hi all
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<Nex>
ogra, then i have to upgrade?
08:19
<kaminski-ltsp-br>
jammcq: hey
08:19
sbalneav__: hey
08:19
<blippe>
ogra: because first i wanted a diskless system, and now i have to have a diskless system... I had a working system for about five minutes, then i screwed up while cleaning up my tftp-folder and lost my kernel :P
08:19
<ogra>
no, ltsp5 is a new iplementation, there is no upgrade path ... remove the 4.2 stuff and follow this doc https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall
08:20
(its identical in debian, debian just has a sligthly older version)
08:20
blippe, that sucks
08:21
<blippe>
rm -r * aint really smart to do if you think you are at a different folder...
08:22
<Nex>
there is no way to make it work?
08:23
<ogra>
Nex, NAS is a pain in the rear ... you can make esd work in 4.2 though ... look at wiki.ltsp.org
08:23
<Nex>
because i have no privilege to uninstall ltsp4.2
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<vanya>
isn't esd dead at all?.. ESD is largely considered a defunct project, as it has not been developed since 2000.
08:26
(that wasa quote)
08:26
<ogra>
thats why the new ltsp5 has pulseaudio with virtual alsa device emulation ;)
08:27
<Nex>
i'll try esd
08:27
<ogra>
you can see it in ubuntu, being released today with ltsp 5.0.7
08:27
<vanya>
and what about 4.2 - what system is better for this version?.
08:27
<Nex>
but do i need to check 'enable networking sound' in KDE ControlCenter?
08:27
<ogra>
esd
08:28
Nex, there must be an esound or esd option
08:28
make sure your clients use esd, then set it there ...
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08:29
<sbalneav>
Morning all
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<ogra>
!s
08:30
<ltspbot>
ogra: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
08:31
<jammcq>
!s
08:31
<ltspbot>
jammcq: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
08:32
<sbalneav>
Morning
08:33
<bengoa>
I like this
08:33
!s
08:33
<ltspbot>
bengoa: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
08:33
<sbalneav>
heh
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<bengoa>
sbalneav, morning buddy
08:35
<jammcq>
scotty is the life of the party
08:35
<ogra>
really ?
08:35
<mhterres>
hey sbalneav
08:35
<bengoa>
I agree
08:35
<mhterres>
me too :-)
08:35
<ogra>
sbalneav, then you urgently need to join #ubuntu-release-party *g*
08:36
not that it would *need* more life *g*
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<Guaraldo>
hi budys...
08:37
<jammcq>
hey Luiz
08:38
<sbalneav>
joined.
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<ogra>
hehm, so bring life to the party :)
08:39
woah, and #ubuntu is at 1520 ppl
08:39
<sbalneav>
Party seems plenty lively as it is :)
08:39
<ogra>
i wonder if it breaks the 2000 mark today
08:40
-party is nearing the 800
08:40
so many people
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<sol>
hello?
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<cliebow_>
hello?
09:16
<ogra>
hello?
09:16
<cliebow_>
hello?
09:16
<ogra>
hello?
09:16
<sol>
hey there -
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<sol>
any chance on getting help with flashplayer9 & padsp?
09:18
pulseaudio...
09:18
i'm trying to display firefox to a thin client and have flash play audio to the pulseaudio server
09:21
<ogra>
use alsa emulation instead
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<ogra>
pluse can emulate an alsa device ...
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<sol>
alsa emulation instead of padsp?
09:23
<ogra>
yeah
09:23
<sol>
ok, i'll look into that
09:23
then all desktop processes would be played to the thin client, right?
09:24
that does sound better
09:24
<ogra>
right
09:24
<sol>
cool
09:24
thanx!
09:24
<ogra>
we use it like that in ubuntus ltsp
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<sol>
well, i'm starting from scratch really, perhaps i should just use ubuntu ltsp
09:25
i just didn't know if one thin client was worth ltsp
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<spacey>
anyone here using ltsp vanilla 4.2 on ubuntu dapper?
09:29
since a xorg update we got problems with rdesktop from the terminal server to a windows machines
09:29
but local on the terminal server tha tproblem does not occur
09:30
<ogra>
jammcq, sbalneav, can one of you update the feisty tarball ?
09:30
<spacey>
rdesktop client segfaults and they only thing we can imagine is thats because of x
09:30
<ogra>
we're officially released :)
09:30
<sbalneav>
Cool
09:30
<spacey>
feisty is released? :)
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<spacey>
cool
09:30
<ogra>
yeah
09:30
10mins ago :)
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<spacey>
hehe
09:31
guess i have to wait for the dutch mirror to update
09:31
main one is probably being raped
09:31
<ogra>
we had to even put a static page on www.ubuntu.com :)
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<ogra>
i've never seen such a server hammering like this time
09:32
<spacey>
:)
09:32
<ogra>
its unbelivable ... and seems to double every release
09:32
#ubuntu just passed 1600 people
09:32
<spacey>
lol
09:32
<ogra>
rising ...
09:33
<Blinny>
Wow.
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09:34* vagrantc should join #ubuntu just to troll
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<ogra>
vagrantc, you would be banned pretty fast :) the channel admins dont do anything else but watching for trolls ;)
09:35
vagrantc, btw, did you register in launchpad for the summit ?
09:36
i already added two specs, one is the ldm one that also takes a sdm/ldm merge into account, you should subscribe to it so the scheduler wont schedule you on other discussions for that time
09:42
<vagrantc>
ogra: no, i didn't register. struggle with travel arrangements a little ... seem to get less than one email a day with the agent.
09:42
<ogra>
meh
09:42
dont miss that ...
09:43
(i stopped using the travel agent ... and just claim the money back)
09:43* vagrantc can't swing that
09:44
<ogra>
yet (hopefully :) )
09:45
<sol>
ogra
09:45
which ubuntu package includes the alsalib plugin for pulse?
09:45
<jammcq>
vagrantc: I sent my request to the travel agent 2 weeks ago. Just finally this morning got it all finished. So, be patient
09:46
<vagrantc>
jammcq: well, if it takes two weeks, i won't be able to make the conference :(
09:46
<jammcq>
i'm sure she knows the deadline. She'll get you there
09:46
<ogra>
vagrantc, it wont
09:47
vagrantc, richEd says you should mail him so he will get pushy if you get probs ...
09:47
<vagrantc>
ogra: where do i find registration info?
09:47
<ogra>
https://launchpad.net/sprints/uds-sevilla/
09:47
<vagrantc>
ogra: part of the trickiness is i'm not leaving spain when the conference is over ...
09:47
<ogra>
on the left there is a "register yourself" link
09:48
<Mikaku>
Anyone has experienced problems with the new CentOS 5 (RedHat 5 distro-based and very similar to FC6) during the thin client DHCP boot?
09:48
<ogra>
vagrantc, so just book your flight back later ...
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<ogra>
vagrantc, if i want to do a two week hiolday after a conf, i just book the flight accordingly ... nobody cares when your return flight goes
09:50
<vagrantc>
ogra: yeah. it's looking more like a month and a half ... finally got to that point.
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<ogra>
should work as well ... if they make fuss around it, mail rich :)
09:51
we'll get you there in any case ! you have no choice anymore !
09:51
;)
09:51
<vagrantc>
heh
09:51* vagrantc can't wait
09:51
<ogra>
i cant afford to comfort jammcq and sbalneav all the time if you dont make it ;)
09:53
<jammcq>
:)
09:53
we need lots of comforting
09:54
<ogra>
s/comforting/steak/ ?
09:54
<jammcq>
comfort food == steak
09:54* vagrantc prefers olives, cheese and wine
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<pscheie>
morning all
09:56
<jammcq>
g'morning pscheie
09:57
<pscheie>
jammcq: you still gonna be able to come to ncls?
09:58
mmm, lotsa juicy steak, I hear
09:58
<jammcq>
umm, that's starting to look like a problem
09:58
the Desktop Architecture meeting is scheduled for June 14-16
09:58
out in Mt.View california
09:58
<pscheie>
argh
09:59
<klara>
hy
09:59
<dberkholz>
heh, i need to use a ticket voucher before july 23 so i may show up at that one too.
09:59
<jammcq>
I wasn't gonna go, but the guy organizing it sent me an email saying it'd be a real good idea for me to be there
09:59
dberkholz: at DAM-4? If you plan on attending, get your name on the list, i heard attendance is limited
10:00
dberkholz: you gonna be around portland the week of July 22nd?
10:00
we're gonna have a LTSP Hackfest of some sort
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<dberkholz>
is that oscon? if so, yes
10:00
<jammcq>
yeah
10:00
Ubuntu-Live, OSCON and LTSPHF
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<pscheie>
hmm, any way to split the time?
10:00
<dberkholz>
i expect to at least be around the 2 main days, dunno bout the rest
10:00
<jammcq>
pscheie: well, the main conf is all day friday and saturday
10:01
thursday is the end of another conf at the same place
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<dberkholz>
since i'll probably only have exhibit hall unless someone hooks me up, hacking on ltsp sounds like a good plan
10:02
re dam4, i wouldn't be terribly affected if registration were full.
10:02
i'm sorta ambivalent on its usefulness for gentoo at this point in time
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<pscheie>
I don't supposed you could leave Mpls. Friday afternoon and head out to DAM, giving you Fri. evening and all day Sat.?
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<jammcq>
pscheie: checking
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<dberkholz>
ironic when interesting things happen near my home when i won't be there.
10:06
that ncls thing is about 10 minutes from my house
10:07
<pscheie>
you could come to mpls. thursday afternoon/evening, have your steak (on me), speak first on Friday, and leave in the afternoon
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<pscheie>
dberkholz: where are you?
10:08
<dberkholz>
pscheie: oregon atm. from plymouth.
10:08
<pscheie>
are you living in oregon or just visiting?
10:09
<dberkholz>
schooling
10:09
<pscheie>
so you won't be coming back to mpls for the summer?
10:09
<dberkholz>
nope, grad school is a full-time job
10:10
<pscheie>
yeah, I know that, which is why I haven't started yet despite several plans to do so
10:10
20 years worth ;-)
10:10
<dberkholz>
might be a nice idea for me to get ltsp5 on gentoo going by then, so whoever's talking about it can mention that
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<pscheie>
I'm hoping jammcq or sbalneav can talk about ltsp5
10:14
Gadi!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
10:15
Gadi: are you going to be able to make it to NCLS June 15 in Mpls?
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<Gadi>
pscheie: morning! Yes, I still have it penciled in to the calendar... I had looked into flights a few weeks ago and I still need to figure out the best way to get there
10:19
<pscheie>
by boat, I'd say ;-)
10:20
<Gadi>
yeah - watch out for land sharks, right?
10:20
<pscheie>
right
10:20
<Gadi>
what airport do you recommen?
10:20
er, d?
10:20
<pscheie>
there's some joke about real minnesotans selling the car before selling the boat
10:21* vagrantc wouldn't recommend airports for traveling by boat
10:21
<Gadi>
lol
10:21
<pscheie>
msp
10:21* Gadi thought that was Michiganians
10:21
<pscheie>
they have big boats, we have small fishing boats for our 12,000+ lakes
10:21
<Gadi>
jammcq: Michiganians?
10:21
<jammcq>
Michiganders
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<pscheie>
and in the winter, the car doubles as the boat 'cause you can drive out on the frozen lake
10:22
<Gadi>
ah. not Mishuganas? ;)
10:22
damn - does that joke work here....
10:22
<jammcq>
well, depends on what part of town
10:22
<Gadi>
where's my audience?
10:22
<pscheie>
works in my suburb, St. Louis Park, sometimes known as St. Jewish Park
10:23
<Gadi>
heh, which reminds me to look up some friends while in the area....
10:23
<pscheie>
not sure if it's meant pejoratively or not
10:23
<Gadi>
how far is that from the conference?
10:23
<pscheie>
about 20 minutes south
10:23
<jammcq>
pscheie: the DAM-4 event is wed/thu/fri
10:23
<pscheie>
fiends!
10:23
<jammcq>
so it's *maybe* possible that I could take the red-eye from SFO to MSP on thursday night
10:24
<pscheie>
hey, that would work for me
10:24
<jammcq>
the most important day is thursday at DAM-4
10:24
<pscheie>
Friday's the day I've got you scheduled
10:25
I can have you go last so you can sleep in if you want ;-)
10:28
Gadi: the campus is an easy drive from SLP
10:29
Jeremy Anderson, who teaches at the college and is helping me organize this year, lives in SLP also
10:29
so he drives it most days
10:31
<Gadi>
pscheie: ah, good to know
10:35
<pscheie>
jammcq just found a new steakhouse downtown we're going to go to
10:36
brazillian
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<vagrantc>
ogra: where do i go to register for that ldm spec you were talking about?
10:45
ogra: all i see is something about compiz/beryl
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<vagrantc>
ogra: nevermind, found it.
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<vykarian>
hi all
14:35
<mhterres>
hi
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<sbalneav>
LOL
15:17
Looks like Planet Ubuntu is down
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<jammcq>
hey
15:18
<sbalneav>
as 10+ million PC users go to try and check out feisty
15:18
hey hey
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<mhterres>
yeah
15:52
I updated myu Ubuntu for Feisty about 3 weeks ago
15:52
I just need to download the last updates :-)
15:52
Last download I did was +250Mb
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<lui1>
Hello! can i boot from the terminal with RPL
15:56
?
15:59
<mhterres>
I have to go
15:59
bye
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<Guaraldo>
RPL???
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<lui1>
Yes, RPL is a protocol (Remote program loader)
16:08
instead of PXE
16:08
?
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<lui1>
I have an onboard nic that can boot over this protocol but not over pxe....
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it is a DAVICOM nic
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<lui1>
I am googling and i find information of rpld (server for RPL) but i don't now if it works with lts...
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<jammcq>
people have used RPL with LTSP. But I don't think anybody here has any experience with it
16:15
so, you could post a message to the ltsp-discuss list and maybe find someone
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<lui1>
thank!
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<Guaraldo>
I'm going now... See Ya!
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<IRCzito_home>
jammcq: Hi Jim good night, only today I can go back work on slackware11+ltsp, can you help me?
19:54
who the first script of initramfs is call?? on client boot
19:54
ogra: are you here?
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<rjune>
jammcq: you around?
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<jammcq>
hey
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<edgarin>
jammcq, hey! how are u?
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<rjune>
LTSP has been on the fedora-edu list a lot lately
22:23
they've got some questions, I'm gonna forward you the email, 'k?
22:30
<jammcq>
sure
22:30
but why don't they just contact me directly?
22:30
i'm not that hard to find
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<sbalneav>
Evening all
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<jammcq>
!s
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<ltspbot>
jammcq: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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