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06:06 | <cliebow> /join #edubuntu
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06:49 | <envite> Hello all from Spain
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06:49 | Hola a todos desde España
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06:54 | <envite> Is it normal for a workstation to not get the hostname?
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07:15 | <mhterres> morning
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07:15 | <jammcq> hey
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07:15 | <mhterres> hey jim
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07:16 | <ogra> jammcq, !
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07:18 | <jammcq> ogra: how's it goin?
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07:19 | <ogra> like christmas :)
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07:19 | waiting ....
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07:19 | <jammcq> feisty out today?
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07:19 | <ogra> in awe
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07:19 | sure, at some point ...
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07:19 | <jammcq> cool
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07:19 | <ogra> #ubuntu has 1470 people in it atm ...
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07:19 | growing ...
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07:20 | <jammcq> heh
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07:20 | <mhterres> Oh great
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07:20 | I have forgot that feisty will be released today :-)
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07:21 | <milosz> fisty
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07:21 | <cliebow_> Cool!
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07:21 | <cliebow_> what comes after gutsy? gibbon?
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07:21 | <ogra> yep
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07:21 | <cliebow_> k
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07:23 | <ogra> jammcq, and you wont belive it, iwj (our beloved ian) gave me lots of praise for ltsp :)
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07:23 | <jammcq> no way
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07:23 | <ogra> he tested the edubuntu DVDs
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07:23 | and filed tons of bugs about issues i never heard about before :)
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07:23 | <jammcq> wow
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07:23 | <ogra> but was apprently very impressed
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07:24 | <jammcq> awesome, musta made you feel pretty good
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07:24 | <ogra> yeah, since we still fight our little war every dday
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07:24 | <jammcq> btw, looks like scotty and I will arrive in Seville on May 2nd at 8pm
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07:24 | <ogra> there is nothing as good as a praise from an enemy *g*
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07:25 | <cliebow_> ogra:i noticed 8~)
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07:25 | <ogra> oh :(
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07:25 | 8pm
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07:25 | <jammcq> yep
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07:25 | <ogra> dtrask wanted to get moquist and me out to dinner ...
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07:25 | <jammcq> doesn't UES start on the 3rd?
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07:25 | <ogra> yeah
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07:25 | <cliebow_> jammcq doesnt like food..
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07:25 | <ogra> cliebow_, i know
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07:25 | <jammcq> ogra: have you been to spain before? Nobody eats dinner until 10pm
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07:26 | <cliebow_> makes me hungry just thinking about it
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07:26 | <ogra> cliebow_, i made clear that they should order the vegetartian option for him at the hotel ;)
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07:26 | <cliebow_> chinese!
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07:26 | <ogra> heh
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07:26 | jammcq, ah, right
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07:26 | i forgot that
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07:26 | <jammcq> mmmmm, food
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07:26 | <ogra> (its some years ago :) )
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07:27 | <cliebow_> they coook spicy? like Mexican?
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07:27 | <ogra> not that hot
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07:27 | <jammcq> hmm, I don't remember the food being spicy
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07:28 | which means it's mostly jammcq compatible
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07:28 | <ogra> lots of mediterranian herbs and stuff ...
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07:28 | <cliebow_> heh..i am a hot sauce kind a guy,,
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07:28 | <jammcq> yeah
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07:28 | <ogra> but rather not hot
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07:28 | lots of seafood
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07:28 | <jammcq> beef, lamb, pasta too
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07:28 | <cliebow_> mmm.seafood
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07:28 | <jammcq> and fish
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07:28 | <ogra> yeah
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07:28 | <jammcq> aparently, they have lots of cows in spain
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07:29 | not to mention bulls
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07:29 | <cliebow_> they spear them
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07:29 | <ogra> depends on the time of year i guess :P
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07:29 | <jammcq> what, cows go in and out of season ?
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07:29 | <ogra> indeed *g*
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07:29 | you didnt know ?
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07:29 | <cliebow_> wives do too..
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07:30 | <jammcq> last time I was there, it was late April, so this should be about the same, although I was up in Madrid and Barcelona
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07:30 | <ogra> well sevilla is nearly africa
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07:31 | you can spit to it with a run-up
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07:37 | <cliebow_> you have to spit right up over Gibraltar though?
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07:38 | <ogra> yeah, in a slight bow
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07:39 | <cliebow_> 8~)
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07:39 | <ogra> and your run-up shouldnt be to slow ...
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07:39 | :)
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07:40 | <bengoa> morning all
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07:46 | <artista_frustrad> morning
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07:46 | <envite> somebody uses dhcp 3 ?
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07:47 | <ogra> envite, ubuntu and debian ...
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07:47 | not sure what RH uses but i'd bet they do as well
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07:50 | <envite> ogra, I'm referring to somebody here
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07:50 | i've a problem with dhcp 3
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07:51 | <mhterres> envite, what problem ?
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07:53 | <envite> mhterres: my client does not get hostname from the dhcp 3 server
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07:53 | <mhterres> hmm
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07:54 | But the client is receiving an IP ?
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07:54 | <envite> yes
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07:54 | and kernel
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07:54 | rootfs
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07:55 | even X
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07:55 | the problem is the hostname
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07:55 | I need it for LDA
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07:55 | <cliebow_> envite:read the dhcp notes on wiki?
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07:55 | anout host decl names and such
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07:55 | <envite> which one? I've searched though the wiki twice or three times today
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07:56 | <cliebow_> like when using dhcp3.0.3 and higher?
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08:00 | <envite> cliebow: i've use host-decl-names
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08:00 | and removed
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08:00 | <blippe> does anybody know of a good guide for fat clients (preferably for ubuntu)? (with ltsp of course)
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08:00 | <envite> i've used get-lease-hostnames
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08:00 | and removed
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08:00 | used both
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08:00 | used none
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08:01 | nothing works for me :(
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08:02 | <cliebow_> the wiki mentions the installation section..http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LTSP-42-LocalDev#Troubleshooting
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08:02 | <envite> gone there
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08:02 | <mhterres> hmm
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08:03 | <cliebow_> For dynamic host assignment, you'll want:
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08:03 | get-lease-hostnames true;
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08:03 | and restart server
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08:04 | <blippe> hrrm is it possible to create a "fat" client with ltsp?
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08:04 | <cliebow_> you can access a server but it isnt ltsp..
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08:05 | blippe:elaborate what you want to do
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08:06 | <ogra> blippe, easy with ltsp5
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08:06 | but the stuff you need around it isnt
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08:07 | <envite> cliebow: trying exactly that way
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08:07 | <blippe> cliebow_: mainly have the root on nfs... i read about a project for ubuntu with automates this, but it aint finished (it was pushed from edgy to feisty but as of yesterday it was in "development"), so i guess it might show up in feisty+1
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08:07 | <ogra> blippe, i hope to finish it in gutsy ... but no promises, it depends on a proper network authentication mechanism
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08:07 | <envite> cliebow_: no hostname
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08:08 | <blippe> ogra: oh, that is great...
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08:09 | <ogra> blippe, essentially it boils just down to: sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
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08:09 | <blippe> ogra: but as of now, i would be better of creating a normal tftp+dhcp+nfs, install the system on a harddrive, move the system to nfs, create a new initramfs, and remove networkmanager?
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08:09 | <ogra> but you need a mechanism to mount /home from the server on login and something like an ldap server for user authentication
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08:10 | that will leave you with the same problem
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08:10 | you need to authenticate the users somehow
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08:11 | and /home needs to be writable
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08:11 | <blippe> ogra: i actually mount the nfs rw, so i don't think i got a problem with home partition...
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08:11 | <ogra> ugh
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08:12 | <blippe> it is just one system, placed in my living room, which should be noise-free
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08:12 | so, 1 user
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08:12 | <ogra> ah
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08:13 | <blippe> i'vre tried this a couple of times and get a working "server" environment (ubuntu-standard), but whenever i install X (ubuntu-desktop) it screws up
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08:13 | so i thought i would be better of with ltsp
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08:15 | <Nex> i got a question. i'm trying to set sound on terminal with NAS, have LTSP4.2, Debian/GNU Linux 3.1
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08:15 | <ogra> why dont you just install an ubuntu desktop then :)
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08:15 | Nex, nas ? phew why dont you use something modern ?
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08:15 | <Nex> when i try to play sound, it comes out from server, not from terminal:(
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08:16 | <envite> cliebow_ ?
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08:16 | <Nex> it was first thing i've tried
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08:16 | nas
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08:16 | <ogra> Nex, ltsp5 shipped in etch has decent sound support
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08:17 | <ogra> (builtin i mean)
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08:17 | <kaminski-ltsp-br> hi all
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08:17 | <Nex> ogra, then i have to upgrade?
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08:19 | <kaminski-ltsp-br> jammcq: hey
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08:19 | sbalneav__: hey
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08:19 | <blippe> ogra: because first i wanted a diskless system, and now i have to have a diskless system... I had a working system for about five minutes, then i screwed up while cleaning up my tftp-folder and lost my kernel :P
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08:19 | <ogra> no, ltsp5 is a new iplementation, there is no upgrade path ... remove the 4.2 stuff and follow this doc https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall
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08:20 | (its identical in debian, debian just has a sligthly older version)
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08:20 | blippe, that sucks
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08:21 | <blippe> rm -r * aint really smart to do if you think you are at a different folder...
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08:22 | <Nex> there is no way to make it work?
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08:23 | <ogra> Nex, NAS is a pain in the rear ... you can make esd work in 4.2 though ... look at wiki.ltsp.org
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08:23 | <Nex> because i have no privilege to uninstall ltsp4.2
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08:26 | <vanya> isn't esd dead at all?.. ESD is largely considered a defunct project, as it has not been developed since 2000.
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08:26 | (that wasa quote)
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08:26 | <ogra> thats why the new ltsp5 has pulseaudio with virtual alsa device emulation ;)
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08:27 | <Nex> i'll try esd
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08:27 | <ogra> you can see it in ubuntu, being released today with ltsp 5.0.7
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08:27 | <vanya> and what about 4.2 - what system is better for this version?.
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08:27 | <Nex> but do i need to check 'enable networking sound' in KDE ControlCenter?
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08:27 | <ogra> esd
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08:28 | Nex, there must be an esound or esd option
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08:28 | make sure your clients use esd, then set it there ...
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08:29 | <sbalneav> Morning all
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08:30 | <ogra> !s
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08:30 | <ltspbot> ogra: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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08:31 | <jammcq> !s
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08:31 | <ltspbot> jammcq: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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08:32 | <sbalneav> Morning
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08:33 | <bengoa> I like this
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08:33 | !s
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08:33 | <ltspbot> bengoa: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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08:33 | <sbalneav> heh
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08:33 | <bengoa> sbalneav, morning buddy
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08:35 | <jammcq> scotty is the life of the party
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08:35 | <ogra> really ?
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08:35 | <mhterres> hey sbalneav
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08:35 | <bengoa> I agree
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08:35 | <mhterres> me too :-)
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08:35 | <ogra> sbalneav, then you urgently need to join #ubuntu-release-party *g*
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08:36 | not that it would *need* more life *g*
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08:37 | <Guaraldo> hi budys...
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08:37 | <jammcq> hey Luiz
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08:39 | <ogra> hehm, so bring life to the party :)
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08:39 | woah, and #ubuntu is at 1520 ppl
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08:39 | <sbalneav> Party seems plenty lively as it is :)
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08:39 | <ogra> i wonder if it breaks the 2000 mark today
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08:40 | -party is nearing the 800
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08:40 | so many people
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09:15 | <sol> hello?
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09:15 | <cliebow_> hello?
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09:16 | <ogra> hello?
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09:16 | <cliebow_> hello?
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09:16 | <ogra> hello?
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09:16 | <sol> hey there -
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09:17 | <sol> any chance on getting help with flashplayer9 & padsp?
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09:18 | pulseaudio...
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09:18 | i'm trying to display firefox to a thin client and have flash play audio to the pulseaudio server
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09:21 | <ogra> use alsa emulation instead
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09:21 | <ogra> pluse can emulate an alsa device ...
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09:22 | <sol> alsa emulation instead of padsp?
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09:23 | <ogra> yeah
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09:23 | <sol> ok, i'll look into that
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09:23 | then all desktop processes would be played to the thin client, right?
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09:24 | that does sound better
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09:24 | <ogra> right
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09:24 | <sol> cool
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09:24 | thanx!
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09:24 | <ogra> we use it like that in ubuntus ltsp
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09:24 | <sol> well, i'm starting from scratch really, perhaps i should just use ubuntu ltsp
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09:25 | i just didn't know if one thin client was worth ltsp
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09:28 | <spacey> anyone here using ltsp vanilla 4.2 on ubuntu dapper?
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09:29 | since a xorg update we got problems with rdesktop from the terminal server to a windows machines
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09:29 | but local on the terminal server tha tproblem does not occur
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09:30 | <ogra> jammcq, sbalneav, can one of you update the feisty tarball ?
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09:30 | <spacey> rdesktop client segfaults and they only thing we can imagine is thats because of x
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09:30 | <ogra> we're officially released :)
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09:30 | <sbalneav> Cool
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09:30 | <spacey> feisty is released? :)
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09:30 | <spacey> cool
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09:30 | <ogra> yeah
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09:30 | 10mins ago :)
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09:31 | <spacey> hehe
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09:31 | guess i have to wait for the dutch mirror to update
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09:31 | main one is probably being raped
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09:31 | <ogra> we had to even put a static page on www.ubuntu.com :)
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09:32 | <ogra> i've never seen such a server hammering like this time
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09:32 | <spacey> :)
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09:32 | <ogra> its unbelivable ... and seems to double every release
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09:32 | #ubuntu just passed 1600 people
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09:32 | <spacey> lol
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09:32 | <ogra> rising ...
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09:33 | <Blinny> Wow.
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09:34 | * vagrantc should join #ubuntu just to troll | |
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09:35 | <ogra> vagrantc, you would be banned pretty fast :) the channel admins dont do anything else but watching for trolls ;)
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09:35 | vagrantc, btw, did you register in launchpad for the summit ?
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09:36 | i already added two specs, one is the ldm one that also takes a sdm/ldm merge into account, you should subscribe to it so the scheduler wont schedule you on other discussions for that time
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09:42 | <vagrantc> ogra: no, i didn't register. struggle with travel arrangements a little ... seem to get less than one email a day with the agent.
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09:42 | <ogra> meh
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09:42 | dont miss that ...
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09:43 | (i stopped using the travel agent ... and just claim the money back)
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09:43 | * vagrantc can't swing that | |
09:44 | <ogra> yet (hopefully :) )
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09:45 | <sol> ogra
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09:45 | which ubuntu package includes the alsalib plugin for pulse?
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09:45 | <jammcq> vagrantc: I sent my request to the travel agent 2 weeks ago. Just finally this morning got it all finished. So, be patient
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09:46 | <vagrantc> jammcq: well, if it takes two weeks, i won't be able to make the conference :(
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09:46 | <jammcq> i'm sure she knows the deadline. She'll get you there
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09:46 | <ogra> vagrantc, it wont
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09:47 | vagrantc, richEd says you should mail him so he will get pushy if you get probs ...
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09:47 | <vagrantc> ogra: where do i find registration info?
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09:47 | <ogra> https://launchpad.net/sprints/uds-sevilla/
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09:47 | <vagrantc> ogra: part of the trickiness is i'm not leaving spain when the conference is over ...
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09:47 | <ogra> on the left there is a "register yourself" link
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09:48 | <Mikaku> Anyone has experienced problems with the new CentOS 5 (RedHat 5 distro-based and very similar to FC6) during the thin client DHCP boot?
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09:48 | <ogra> vagrantc, so just book your flight back later ...
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09:49 | <ogra> vagrantc, if i want to do a two week hiolday after a conf, i just book the flight accordingly ... nobody cares when your return flight goes
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09:50 | <vagrantc> ogra: yeah. it's looking more like a month and a half ... finally got to that point.
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09:50 | <ogra> should work as well ... if they make fuss around it, mail rich :)
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09:51 | we'll get you there in any case ! you have no choice anymore !
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09:51 | ;)
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09:51 | <vagrantc> heh
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09:51 | * vagrantc can't wait | |
09:51 | <ogra> i cant afford to comfort jammcq and sbalneav all the time if you dont make it ;)
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09:53 | <jammcq> :)
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09:53 | we need lots of comforting
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09:54 | <ogra> s/comforting/steak/ ?
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09:54 | <jammcq> comfort food == steak
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09:54 | * vagrantc prefers olives, cheese and wine | |
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09:54 | <pscheie> morning all
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09:56 | <jammcq> g'morning pscheie
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09:57 | <pscheie> jammcq: you still gonna be able to come to ncls?
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09:58 | mmm, lotsa juicy steak, I hear
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09:58 | <jammcq> umm, that's starting to look like a problem
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09:58 | the Desktop Architecture meeting is scheduled for June 14-16
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09:58 | out in Mt.View california
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09:58 | <pscheie> argh
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09:59 | <klara> hy
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09:59 | <dberkholz> heh, i need to use a ticket voucher before july 23 so i may show up at that one too.
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09:59 | <jammcq> I wasn't gonna go, but the guy organizing it sent me an email saying it'd be a real good idea for me to be there
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09:59 | dberkholz: at DAM-4? If you plan on attending, get your name on the list, i heard attendance is limited
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10:00 | dberkholz: you gonna be around portland the week of July 22nd?
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10:00 | we're gonna have a LTSP Hackfest of some sort
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10:00 | <dberkholz> is that oscon? if so, yes
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10:00 | <jammcq> yeah
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10:00 | Ubuntu-Live, OSCON and LTSPHF
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10:00 | <pscheie> hmm, any way to split the time?
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10:00 | <dberkholz> i expect to at least be around the 2 main days, dunno bout the rest
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10:00 | <jammcq> pscheie: well, the main conf is all day friday and saturday
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10:01 | thursday is the end of another conf at the same place
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10:01 | <dberkholz> since i'll probably only have exhibit hall unless someone hooks me up, hacking on ltsp sounds like a good plan
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10:02 | re dam4, i wouldn't be terribly affected if registration were full.
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10:02 | i'm sorta ambivalent on its usefulness for gentoo at this point in time
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10:05 | <pscheie> I don't supposed you could leave Mpls. Friday afternoon and head out to DAM, giving you Fri. evening and all day Sat.?
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10:06 | <jammcq> pscheie: checking
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10:06 | <dberkholz> ironic when interesting things happen near my home when i won't be there.
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10:06 | that ncls thing is about 10 minutes from my house
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10:07 | <pscheie> you could come to mpls. thursday afternoon/evening, have your steak (on me), speak first on Friday, and leave in the afternoon
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10:07 | <pscheie> dberkholz: where are you?
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10:08 | <dberkholz> pscheie: oregon atm. from plymouth.
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10:08 | <pscheie> are you living in oregon or just visiting?
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10:09 | <dberkholz> schooling
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10:09 | <pscheie> so you won't be coming back to mpls for the summer?
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10:09 | <dberkholz> nope, grad school is a full-time job
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10:10 | <pscheie> yeah, I know that, which is why I haven't started yet despite several plans to do so
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10:10 | 20 years worth ;-)
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10:10 | <dberkholz> might be a nice idea for me to get ltsp5 on gentoo going by then, so whoever's talking about it can mention that
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10:11 | <pscheie> I'm hoping jammcq or sbalneav can talk about ltsp5
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10:14 | Gadi!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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10:15 | Gadi: are you going to be able to make it to NCLS June 15 in Mpls?
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10:19 | <Gadi> pscheie: morning! Yes, I still have it penciled in to the calendar... I had looked into flights a few weeks ago and I still need to figure out the best way to get there
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10:19 | <pscheie> by boat, I'd say ;-)
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10:20 | <Gadi> yeah - watch out for land sharks, right?
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10:20 | <pscheie> right
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10:20 | <Gadi> what airport do you recommen?
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10:20 | er, d?
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10:20 | <pscheie> there's some joke about real minnesotans selling the car before selling the boat
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10:21 | * vagrantc wouldn't recommend airports for traveling by boat | |
10:21 | <Gadi> lol
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10:21 | <pscheie> msp
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10:21 | * Gadi thought that was Michiganians | |
10:21 | <pscheie> they have big boats, we have small fishing boats for our 12,000+ lakes
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10:21 | <Gadi> jammcq: Michiganians?
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10:21 | <jammcq> Michiganders
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10:21 | <pscheie> and in the winter, the car doubles as the boat 'cause you can drive out on the frozen lake
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10:22 | <Gadi> ah. not Mishuganas? ;)
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10:22 | damn - does that joke work here....
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10:22 | <jammcq> well, depends on what part of town
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10:22 | <Gadi> where's my audience?
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10:22 | <pscheie> works in my suburb, St. Louis Park, sometimes known as St. Jewish Park
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10:23 | <Gadi> heh, which reminds me to look up some friends while in the area....
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10:23 | <pscheie> not sure if it's meant pejoratively or not
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10:23 | <Gadi> how far is that from the conference?
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10:23 | <pscheie> about 20 minutes south
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10:23 | <jammcq> pscheie: the DAM-4 event is wed/thu/fri
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10:23 | <pscheie> fiends!
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10:23 | <jammcq> so it's *maybe* possible that I could take the red-eye from SFO to MSP on thursday night
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10:24 | <pscheie> hey, that would work for me
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10:24 | <jammcq> the most important day is thursday at DAM-4
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10:24 | <pscheie> Friday's the day I've got you scheduled
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10:25 | I can have you go last so you can sleep in if you want ;-)
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10:28 | Gadi: the campus is an easy drive from SLP
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10:29 | Jeremy Anderson, who teaches at the college and is helping me organize this year, lives in SLP also
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10:29 | so he drives it most days
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10:31 | <Gadi> pscheie: ah, good to know
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10:35 | <pscheie> jammcq just found a new steakhouse downtown we're going to go to
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10:36 | brazillian
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10:44 | <vagrantc> ogra: where do i go to register for that ldm spec you were talking about?
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10:45 | ogra: all i see is something about compiz/beryl
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11:29 | <vagrantc> ogra: nevermind, found it.
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14:34 | <vykarian> hi all
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14:35 | <mhterres> hi
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15:17 | <sbalneav> LOL
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15:17 | Looks like Planet Ubuntu is down
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15:18 | <jammcq> hey
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15:18 | <sbalneav> as 10+ million PC users go to try and check out feisty
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15:18 | hey hey
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15:51 | <mhterres> yeah
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15:52 | I updated myu Ubuntu for Feisty about 3 weeks ago
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15:52 | I just need to download the last updates :-)
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15:52 | Last download I did was +250Mb
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15:56 | <lui1> Hello! can i boot from the terminal with RPL
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15:56 | ?
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15:59 | <mhterres> I have to go
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15:59 | bye
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16:02 | <Guaraldo> RPL???
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16:08 | <lui1> Yes, RPL is a protocol (Remote program loader)
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16:08 | instead of PXE
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16:08 | ?
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16:10 | <lui1> I have an onboard nic that can boot over this protocol but not over pxe....
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16:11 | it is a DAVICOM nic
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16:14 | <lui1> I am googling and i find information of rpld (server for RPL) but i don't now if it works with lts...
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16:14 | <jammcq> people have used RPL with LTSP. But I don't think anybody here has any experience with it
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16:15 | so, you could post a message to the ltsp-discuss list and maybe find someone
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16:15 | <lui1> thank!
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16:47 | <Guaraldo> I'm going now... See Ya!
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19:52 | <IRCzito_home> jammcq: Hi Jim good night, only today I can go back work on slackware11+ltsp, can you help me?
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19:54 | who the first script of initramfs is call?? on client boot
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19:54 | ogra: are you here?
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21:49 | <rjune> jammcq: you around?
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21:51 | <jammcq> hey
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22:18 | <edgarin> jammcq, hey! how are u?
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22:23 | <rjune> LTSP has been on the fedora-edu list a lot lately
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22:23 | they've got some questions, I'm gonna forward you the email, 'k?
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22:30 | <jammcq> sure
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22:30 | but why don't they just contact me directly?
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22:30 | i'm not that hard to find
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22:38 | <sbalneav> Evening all
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22:54 | <jammcq> !s
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22:54 | <ltspbot> jammcq: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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