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Channel log from 21 July 2009 (all times are UTC)
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| 02:36 | <xBowser> Hey ppl.
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| 02:38 | Is there a way to "forward" mounts from a server to the clients? Like having the real homes, /media/..., /mnt/ etc. available on my client also.
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| 02:38 | <vagrantc> with localapps support, home is already mounted locally through sshfs
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| 02:38 | you could probably have similar hooks to mount whatever you wanted.
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| 02:43 | <xBowser> Hmm, my home wasn't mounted corretely.
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| 02:43 | Maybe because /home already is a NFS mount.
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| 02:46 | <vagrantc> !release
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| 02:46 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: "release" is please mention the linux distro and release you're using :)
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| 02:46 | <vagrantc> xBowser: ^^
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| 02:48 | <xBowser> Oh, sorry. :) Debian Lenny with LTSP from testing 5.1.76 that should be.
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| 02:49 | Oh, sorry, I got ltsp-server 5.1.73
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| 02:50 | <ogra> is your home constantly mounted or by pam_mount at login ?
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| 02:50 | could be a race
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| 02:52 | <xBowser> pam_mount? I don't know about that, I just edited my fstab.
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| 02:53 | <ogra> so its permanently mounted on the server
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| 02:56 | <xBowser> yes
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| 02:59 | <xBowser> I currently managed to run nfs locally for home and my other mounts but this also is a dirty solution
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| 03:01 | And there is also the problem of users that want to save email attachements (icedove runs locally) on usb sticks.
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| 03:10 | <vagrantc> xBowser: for the latter, you need to install ltspfs in the chroot:
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| 03:10 | xBowser: ltsp-chroot apt-get install ltspfs
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| 03:10 | xBowser: oh, *and* switch to nbd+aufs
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| 03:10 | xBowser: which is a touch tricky, but not undoable.
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| 03:11 | <ogra> debian has aufs ?
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| 03:11 | * ogra wonders why it took us so much to get it back in if debian has usable sources | |
| 03:12 | <vagrantc> ogra: it still has it in debian/testing ... not sure about sid
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| 03:12 | <vagrantc> and in debian/stable lenny
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| 03:12 | <ogra> well, you probably have an older kernel
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| 03:12 | it doesny apply to .30 and above
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| 03:12 | *doesnt
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| 03:12 | <vagrantc> 2.6.26 ... 2.6.30 in sid, i think ... not sure of the aufs support there
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| 03:12 | ogra: y'all switched to unionfs-fuse or some such?
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| 03:13 | <ogra> yeah, upstream refused to keep the hooks in the kernel to support it
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| 03:13 | only temporary
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| 03:13 | stgraber's next upload will switch back to aufs
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| 03:13 | unionfs-fuse is awfully slow
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| 03:14 | our kernel team hacked up aufs to work with .31 again, took them a few weeks of work
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| 03:14 | <vagrantc> i've been attempting to move towards NBD+somethingorother for debian's ltsp lately
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| 03:14 | <ogra> well, without a union filesystem you are screwed
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| 03:14 | you could go fedoras way though
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| 03:15 | abusing device mapper
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| 03:15 | <vagrantc> no, bind-mounts still works with NBD+ext2
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| 03:15 | but the union layering is *nice*
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| 03:15 | <ogra> well, you use the speed advantage if you use bind mounts
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| 03:15 | <vagrantc> ogra: got some nice bugs fixed in nbd the last few days
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| 03:15 | <ogra> cool
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| 03:16 | we should sync it :) tell stgraber
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| 03:16 | <vagrantc> ogra: it's still way faster using NBD with bind mounts
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| 03:16 | <ogra> yeah, i can imagine
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| 03:16 | <ogra> but you wont get 10sec boots with it :)
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| 03:17 | <vagrantc> stgraber: there's been some nice improvements to nbd in debian/unstable... you might want to make a sync request
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| 03:21 | <xBowser> So, will nbd+aufs work on lenny??
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| 03:22 | <vagrantc> xBowser: yes
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| 03:22 | <xBowser> on kernel 2.6.29-2?
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| 03:22 | <vagrantc> lenny has 2.6.26
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| 03:22 | <xBowser> I know but 26 is a pain as KVM client so I had to switch to 29
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| 03:23 | <vagrantc> no idea, then, that's not lenny. :P
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| 03:24 | <xBowser> Hmm, some things seem so simple and still they just suck. Same with nfs permissions. Its just a pain if you want 772 for ALL files.
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| 04:02 | <davew> I installed ltsp yesterday and have a problem with some of the clients is there anyone to chat to about this
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| 04:03 | <VooDooNOFX> Can anyone recommend some very cheap, but fairly good ltsp compatible hardware for a large office?
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| 04:04 | <davew> Hi Ogra can you help ?
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| 04:06 | <davew> set up ltsp on SUSE 11.1 yesterday. I found that the Dell Optiplex GX280 machines work fine but I cannot connect using the Dimension 2400's
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| 04:07 | <VooDooNOFX> davew, why can't they connect? at which point do they error?
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| 04:07 | <ogra> davew, i have no clue about kiwi ... suse goes their own way with ltsp integration, try #kiwi-ltsp rather
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| 04:09 | <davew> Basically after the visual boot text apperas and I put in the username and password and the screen then goes onto a suse screen . I t hangs at the third blob if that makes sense
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| 04:11 | I would add that I can see two red comments at the bottom of the boot info but the screen changes to quickly to make them out
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| 04:15 | <davew> Hi VooDooNDFX - you still there/
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| 04:19 | <VooDooNOFX> unknown
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| 04:19 | try ogra's recommendation
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| 04:30 | <VooDooNOFX> Does LTSP cluster with multiple servers easily?
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| 04:30 | <vagrantc> depends on what you mean by cluster ...
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| 04:30 | <VooDooNOFX> Say we deploy it for 20 users, and decide later we need another server
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| 04:31 | Addind a second one to the network, and (hopefully) load balance between the two automatically
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| 04:31 | <vagrantc> there's various options to have load-balancing or failover ... but it's mostly not specifically LTSP ... there is LTSP-cluster which handles some of that.
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| 04:31 | stgraber works on the ltsp-cluster stuff
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| 04:34 | <VooDooNOFX> cool, i'll start googling
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| 04:41 | <ogra> ltsp-cluster should be fully integrated in ubuntu 9.10
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| 05:18 | <highvoltage> nubae: do you perhaps know which driver I should use for a geode LX display card on hardy?
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| 05:19 | <nubae> highvoltage, hi there
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| 05:23 | highvoltage, I know this changed a lot, but hardy used the regular geode driver I thought
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| 06:15 | <gekkos> hi, small question, I know there is a command to check the loaded lts.conf configuration on a thin client. Anyone who ones it (i forgot it) txs
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| 06:16 | <ogra> getltscfg -a
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| 06:16 | in a client console
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| 06:19 | <gekkos> super thanks
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| 07:31 | <_UsUrPeR_> g'morning all
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| 07:47 | <atomic007za> hi
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| 07:47 | will a quad core proccessor be big enough to run a lab of 30 clients?
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| 07:48 | I have a dual core and if all are logged in then prccessor utility sits @ 90 % +-
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| 07:54 | <_UsUrPeR_> atomic007za: probably. To be honest, it's trying to shoot a moving target. You can always do well with more power though.
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| 07:55 | sbalneav: give me a shout when you get a moment
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| 07:56 | * alkisg tried putting "tee name=t ! queue ! ffmpegcolorspace ! xvimagesink t. ! queue ! ffmpegcolorspace ! xvimagesink t." as the default video output in gstreamer-properties, and now totem plays in 2 windows at once! I'll try to automate this so that the teacher be able to broadcast video/DVDs etc in the whole classroom... :) | |
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| 08:04 | <atomic007za> Hi UsUrPeR
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| 08:04 | thanks
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| 08:05 | It is a pilot project for a scholl and I dont want to waste thier cash
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| 08:06 | And RAM, @ the moment I have 4 gigs, the clients when logged in are doing nothing and it is utilising 3 gigs, if they were to watch movie/clips would it suck more memory?
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| 08:09 | <vagrantc> well, most likely the 3 gigs figure isn't really *used*, much of it is probably disk cache
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| 08:13 | <ogra> use htop, it shows more userfriendly how much is actually used
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| 08:21 | <highvoltage> I wish htop could become the default. I guess there'd be too much resistance for changing in training materials, etc
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| 08:30 | <rjune_wrk> atomic007za: Genereally speaking LTSP servers do better with mroe cores.
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| 08:34 | <sbalneav> Morning all
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| 08:34 | _UsUrPeR_: Yyyyyyeeeeessss?
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| 08:35 | <_UsUrPeR_> sbalneav: oh hi :)
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| 08:36 | I would LOVE to test out your PPA for sabayon. mind giving me some pointers?
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| 08:37 | <_UsUrPeR_> sbalneav: I have already added http://ppa.launchpad.net/sbalneav/ppa/ubuntu to my sources list, but after re-installation in 9.04, it still freezes when I try to edit a profile
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| 08:38 | <sbalneav> ok, so that's 3 and 3 then for works/not works :)
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| 08:38 | Are you trying this from the console, or a thin client?
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| 08:38 | <_UsUrPeR_> server
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| 08:39 | I try running sabayon from terminal as root
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| 08:41 | <sbalneav> How, using gksu?
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| 08:42 | You should use the menu item from System->Administration (profile editor, I think it's called)
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| 08:43 | <_UsUrPeR_> sbalneav: lemme give that a shot.
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| 08:43 | I didn't know it added itself to the menu :)
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| 08:44 | <sbalneav> It's all fancy-like.
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| 08:44 | <alkisg> sbalneav: do you think my locale (=greek) has anything to do with it not working? should I try with english locale?
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| 08:44 | <_UsUrPeR_> sbalneav: not really seeing it in the menu
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| 08:45 | <alkisg> _UsUrPeR_: system > administration > user profile editor or something
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| 08:45 | <bieb> _UsUrPeR_: its User Profile Editor
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| 08:45 | it is towards the bottom of my Administration list
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| 08:45 | <_UsUrPeR_> aha
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| 08:46 | <bieb> by the way sbalneav mine still crashes
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| 08:46 | <_UsUrPeR_> still freezing on edit :/
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| 08:46 | <alkisg> Heh all 3 of the crash-testers are here :)
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| 08:46 | <sbalneav> OK.
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| 08:47 | * _UsUrPeR_ is running the foremost in crashing technology | |
| 08:47 | <sbalneav> Do all of you have Desktop Effects (i.e. compiz) enabled?
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| 08:48 | <_UsUrPeR_> sbalneav: I have an intel card on my mobo, and it's running software emulation because of the intel driver problem in 9.04
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| 08:49 | <bieb> I dont think I do...
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| 08:49 | <_UsUrPeR_> so: no, I can guarantee you there is no compiz :)
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| 08:49 | <rjune_wrk> !s
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| 08:49 | <ltspbot> rjune_wrk: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 08:50 | <bieb> where can I verify that? I dont think I set it when installing Ubuntu 9
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| 08:50 | * alkisg doesn't have compiz enabled | |
| 08:52 | <_UsUrPeR_> bieb: System > Preferences > Appearance > Visual Effects -- select the radio button for "none"
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| 08:53 | <bieb> ok.. none was already set..
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| 08:57 | <_UsUrPeR_> sbalneav: is there any config files/ logs I can pastebin?
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| 08:58 | <sbalneav> Just the sabayon.log file that should be in root's homedir.
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| 08:58 | I suspect it's a problem with xnest.
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| 08:59 | I can try switching to Xephyr, however, the issue with that is that Xephyr doesn't accept input events from the keyboard.
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| 09:00 | There may be some command line options for disabling some problematic plugins for xnest. Let me have a look.
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| 09:03 | <ltsppbot> "_UsUrPeR_" pasted "sabayon log for sbalneav" (51 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/447
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| 09:04 | <ltsppbot> "bieb" pasted "Sabayon error log" (24 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/448
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| 09:05 | <sbalneav> File "/var/lib/python-support/python2.6/sabayon/protosession.py", line 104, in is_display_free sock.connect (("127.0.0.1", 6000 + display_number))
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| 09:06 | bieb: Your's doesn't give any clues at all.
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| 09:06 | <bieb> I know
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| 09:06 | <sbalneav> _UsUrPeR_: Hm
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| 09:06 | You use gnome for login?
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| 09:06 | <bieb> is there anything else I can try to generate more info>?
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| 09:06 | <alkisg> http://pastebin.com/f5cae4946
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| 09:07 | <CAN-o-SPAM> sbalneavyon
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| 09:07 | <sbalneav> ok
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| 09:07 | looks like it's having trouble connecting. It's trying a socket connect.
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| 09:07 | <sbalneav> lets do this
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| 09:08 | System->Administration->Login Window
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| 09:08 | Click on "Security" Tab
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| 09:08 | <_UsUrPeR_> k
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| 09:08 | <sbalneav> Make sure "Deny TCP connections to X server" is unchecked.
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| 09:09 | Save
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| 09:09 | <alkisg> Does this require an X restart?
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| 09:09 | <sbalneav> Yep.
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| 09:09 | <alkisg> Ouch :(
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| 09:09 | <sbalneav> log out
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| 09:09 | ctl-alt-f1
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| 09:09 | login as root
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| 09:09 | <_UsUrPeR_> sbalneav: already checked on mine
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| 09:09 | <sbalneav> invoke-rc.d gdm restart
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| 09:09 | <alkisg> _UsUrPeR_: *uncheck* it
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| 09:09 | <sbalneav> _UsUrPeR_: Checked, or UNCHECKED?
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| 09:10 | it needs to be unchecked.
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| 09:10 | * alkisg has to try this some time later on, as he's in the middle of something, with 1000+ windows open... :( | |
| 09:10 | <sbalneav> we do NOT want to deny tcp connections.
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| 09:10 | k, then one/both of bieb or _UsUrPeR_ can try it.
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| 09:10 | <_UsUrPeR_> sbalneav: it was checked :)
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| 09:10 | <sbalneav> so, uncheck it.
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| 09:10 | <_UsUrPeR_> ya
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| 09:11 | <bieb> ok.. checking it now
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| 09:11 | <sbalneav> save, and restart your gdm
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| 09:12 | That file should have better exception handling anyway. Crapping out because TCP connections to the X server are denied isn't nice. A nice error message would be better.
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| 09:14 | <ltsppbot> "bieb" pasted "Sabayon error log 2" (63 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/449
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| 09:19 | <gekkos> vagrantc_: hi I have everything running now with rdp and lenny-backports, Do I have to install something in chroot to get the localdevices running, or to add something in lts.conf. many txs
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| 09:19 | <sbalneav> bieb: this a different error from before, or an error generated after you've enabled TCP connections in X?
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| 09:20 | <vagrantc> gekkos: ltsp-chroot apt-get install ltspfs
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| 09:20 | <bieb> well I unchecked the box you mentioned.. and I gave an entire reboot...
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| 09:20 | <vagrantc> gekkos: and you'll have to switch to NBD
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| 09:20 | <Gadi> !RDP-localdev
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| 09:20 | <ltspbot> Gadi: "RDP-localdev" is when I want to use local devices in an LTSP rdesktop session. See: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/RdesktopLocaldev
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| 09:24 | <gekkos> vagrantc_: with nfs it will not work ?
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| 09:24 | <vagrantc> gekkos: i haven't gotten it to work
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| 09:31 | <_UsUrPeR_> sbalneav: froze again, but it did not create a log file
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| 09:31 | <_UsUrPeR_> (that was after restarting X)
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| 09:32 | <etyack> _UsUrPeR_: x or gdm?
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| 09:32 | <_UsUrPeR_> my bad, GDM
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| 09:37 | <sbalneav> ok
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| 09:48 | <_UsUrPeR_> sbalneav: still not making log files in /root/ what has changed?
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| 09:48 | also: froze after changing Users for a profile after creation
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| 09:48 | <rjune_wrk> !g
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| 09:48 | <ltspbot> rjune_wrk: "g" is Gadi!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 09:49 | <sbalneav> _UsUrPeR_: OK, well, I'm looking at removing some options for xnest now.
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| 09:49 | <_UsUrPeR_> ahh
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| 10:09 | <jammcq> g'morning friends
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| 10:09 | <Lumiere> hi jammcq
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| 10:09 | <CAN-o-SPAM> hey jam
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| 10:09 | <jammcq> hey jason
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| 10:09 | and alex
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| 10:10 | * vagrantc waves | |
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| 10:11 | <jammcq> hey vagrantc
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| 10:11 | vagrantc: you at Debconf?
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| 10:11 | <vagrantc> jammcq: indeed, indeed.
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| 10:11 | <jammcq> wow, cool
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| 10:11 | <vagrantc> no, quite hot
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| 10:11 | <jammcq> I heard next year, Debconf will be in NYC
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| 10:11 | <vagrantc> yes, nyc...
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| 10:11 | easier to get to by train :)
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| 10:12 | <jammcq> yeah, much easier for me
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| 10:12 | <vagrantc> not nearly as good on the wine and cheese, though
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| 10:12 | <jammcq> well.... true
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| 10:12 | and certainly not cheap
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| 10:14 | * ogra looks up train connections to NYC | |
| 10:14 | <vagrantc> nyc has much better odds of decent vegetarian food, though
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| 10:14 | <ogra> LIARS !
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| 10:14 | <jammcq> nyc has EVERY kind of food
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| 10:14 | and some of it quite good
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| 10:15 | <CAN-o-SPAM> jammcq: any recommendations? i'll be there this weekend
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| 10:15 | <jammcq> CAN-o-SPAM: depends on the budget
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| 10:15 | <ogra> dont miss the cheesecake :)
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| 10:15 | <jammcq> CAN-o-SPAM: ask your dad about Peter Lugers in brooklyn
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| 10:15 | <CAN-o-SPAM> ogra: i do know there is some amazing spots to get a good cupcake
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| 10:15 | jammcq: he's mentioned it, thats on my list
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| 10:17 | <jammcq> you can get a good sandwich at the Hello Deli on 53rd
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| 10:17 | <vagrantc> daduke: hey, had dinner with a co-worker of yours last night!
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| 10:17 | <johnny> baltimore :)
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| 10:18 | vagrantc, i want you to see our store sometime
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| 10:18 | <vagrantc> johnny: maybe pre/post next year's debconf?
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| 10:18 | <johnny> ogra, if you ever happen to come south
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| 10:18 | <daduke> vagrantc: you did?
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| 10:18 | <johnny> or are going north to NYC from dc or whatnot
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| 10:18 | <daduke> vagrantc: who was that?
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| 10:18 | * vagrantc is awful with names | |
| 10:18 | <johnny> the boltbus from greyhound can be as cheap as $1 in advance
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| 10:18 | <daduke> vagrantc: ok, how's he look?
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| 10:18 | <johnny> super advance
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| 10:19 | ogra, they have wifi and power outlets
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| 10:19 | <daduke> vagrantc: or in other words: where did you have dinner w/ him?
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| 10:19 | <ogra> johnny, well, i usually go west (quite a bit actually) if i go to NYC
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| 10:19 | <johnny> you can get wifi and power outlets on buses all the way to montreal from DC
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| 10:19 | <ogra> :)
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| 10:19 | <johnny> just letting you know your options
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| 10:19 | <vagrantc> daduke: at debconf9, in extremadura spain
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| 10:19 | <ogra> ah
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| 10:19 | <daduke> vagrantc: that would be Axel then.
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| 10:20 | vagrantc: aka XTaran
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| 10:20 | <ogra> vagrantc, oh, it starts already ? i thought its still debcamp
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| 10:20 | <daduke> vagrantc: good to know, I'll ask him about you :)
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| 10:20 | <vagrantc> daduke: said things are going well with your LTSP install
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| 10:20 | ogra: i don't make much distinction between debcamp and debconf
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| 10:20 | <johnny> i need somebody to provide me a virtual machine..
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| 10:20 | <ogra> ah
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| 10:20 | <daduke> vagrantc: we upgraded our TS to lenny, things are a lot smoother now (compared to etch+backports)
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| 10:20 | * ogra virtuall yhand johnny a virtual machine | |
| 10:20 | <ogra> *hands
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| 10:20 | <johnny> lol
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| 10:20 | thanks..
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| 10:20 | <vagrantc> ogra: main difference is more people talking and less people hacking :)
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| 10:21 | <ogra> yeah
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| 10:21 | well, i know many/most of my colleagues go there on wed.
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| 10:21 | <vagrantc> daduke: now that you have found stability, perhaps i can interest you in some backports for lenny :)
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| 10:21 | <jammcq> ogra: we're still shooting for Oct 22-25 for BTS. That's still somewhat flexible, but we need to nail it down soon
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| 10:21 | <daduke> vagrantc: bring it on!
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| 10:21 | <ogra> jammcq, doit
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| 10:22 | <jammcq> ogra: question is... can YOU doit?
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| 10:22 | <vagrantc> daduke: :)
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| 10:22 | <ogra> i will make it possible somehow
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| 10:22 | <jammcq> coooooool
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| 10:22 | sbalneav: ping
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| 10:22 | * jammcq hasn't seen sbalneav in a week or so. I'm wondering if he's on vacation | |
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| 10:22 | <ogra> he was here today
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| 10:22 | <jammcq> oh?
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| 10:23 | <daduke> vagrantc: last week I had somebody here from another school in Zurich who wants to replace his ancient Gentoo LTSP installation (3? 4?) w/ a Debian one under our supervision...
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| 10:23 | <jammcq> hmmmmm
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| 10:23 | <ogra> discussing sabayon a lot
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| 10:23 | <jammcq> I guess I was just late
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| 10:23 | <vagrantc> daduke: http://wiki.debian.org/LTSP/Howto/Lenny-With-Backports
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| 10:23 | <daduke> vagrantc: thanks. what's new in there?
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| 10:24 | <vagrantc> daduke: curious. i had done some consulting for a school switching from gentoo ltsp ... exploring a FreeBSD something
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| 10:24 | daduke: zollickerberg?
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| 10:24 | <daduke> vagrantc: !!!! yes!
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| 10:24 | <vagrantc> zollicherberg?
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| 10:24 | <daduke> vagrantc: no shit?
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| 10:24 | <vagrantc> daduke: yes
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| 10:24 | <daduke> vagrantc: then did you tell him to come to us?
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| 10:25 | <vagrantc> daduke: new features include local apps, improved nbd root ... improved local devices ... it's just better. :)
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| 10:25 | <gekkos> vagrantc: tried it with nfs and is quit buggy. any docu to easely switch to ndb so I can test this txs
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| 10:25 | <vagrantc> daduke: no ... just must have found you :)
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| 10:25 | <daduke> vagrantc: I'll have a look. thanks.
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| 10:26 | vagrantc: I see.
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| 10:26 | vagrantc: good talking to you. gotta run now.
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| 10:26 | * vagrantc waves | |
| 10:26 | * daduke waves back | |
| 10:26 | * ogra strands | |
| 10:27 | <vagrantc> gekkos: not much in the way of docs ... it's pretty experimental yet ...
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| 10:27 | gekkos: easiest would probably be to re-install ...
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| 10:28 | gekkos: ltsp-build-client --squashfs-image --late-packages ltspfs
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| 10:28 | gekkos: be sure to upgrade ltsp-server to 5.1.77
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| 10:28 | <ogra> --squashfs-image ?
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| 10:28 | thats the opposite to --skipimage on ubuntu ?
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| 10:29 | <vagrantc> ogra: yeah. disabled by default in debian, and there are other image options
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| 10:29 | <ogra> heh
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| 10:29 | <vagrantc> the other options are --create-ext2-image and --create-fs-image FOO
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| 10:30 | <ogra> nice
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| 10:30 | <johnny> maybe you should use --create-image=bool or something..
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| 10:30 | and just change the default..
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| 10:30 | between distros
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| 10:30 | <vagrantc> johnny: well, they're pretty different setups ...
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| 10:30 | <johnny> ah :(
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| 10:31 | as soon as the dracut people make it a bit easier to determine what kernel modules get put in the initramfs.. i'm going to give that a shot..
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| 10:31 | <vagrantc> "--squashfs-image" is basically just like ubuntu's default ... the others still use bind-mounts by default, though it isn't hard to switch to aufs or some such
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| 10:32 | first two days here at debconf9 i spent working on NBD support in debian's LTSP
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| 10:32 | <johnny> hopefully union mounts will both do what we need.. and be merged soon
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| 10:32 | <ogra> not so likely
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| 10:32 | it was just all ripped out upstream
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| 10:33 | <johnny> what was?
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| 10:33 | <ogra> union support
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| 10:33 | <johnny> do you mean unionfs ?
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| 10:33 | <ogra> all union filesystems were ripped out
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| 10:33 | <johnny> yes..
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| 10:33 | union filesystems != union mounts
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| 10:33 | iirc
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| 10:33 | <ogra> and mount --union wont be there so quickly
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| 10:33 | <johnny> :(
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| 10:33 | <ogra> has massive issues
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| 10:34 | which is why ubuntu re-added aufs
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| 10:34 | <johnny> al viro was the one championing it.. and won't let anything else actually be in mainline that isn't it..
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| 10:34 | <ogra> which took a huge amount of work
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| 10:34 | <johnny> one of the ones anyways
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| 10:34 | <ogra> right
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| 10:34 | but dont expect it to appear fast
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| 10:34 | <johnny> this union mounts saga has been ongoing for more than a few years now
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| 10:35 | <ogra> if there would have been the slightest chance it could be there before the karmic release in a stable and usable form, our kernel team would have waited for it
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| 10:35 | but it doesnt look like it will enter .31
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| 10:36 | so probably something to wait for in .32 or .33 or even later
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| 10:36 | <johnny> i've just been using tmpfs bindmounts until it happens
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| 10:36 | <vagrantc> but some slight hope of actually seeing a workable union sort of thingy in-kernel ?
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| 10:36 | <ogra> yes
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| 10:36 | <johnny> vagrantc, that's the only workable solution allowed :)
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| 10:36 | <ogra> its being worked on
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| 10:36 | but far from being ready
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| 10:37 | * vagrantc has been hoping for that since around 2001 | |
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| 11:34 | <sbalneav> Hmmm, I'm having a packaging/cdbs problem, maybe someone can help.
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| 11:34 | So, I've used cdbs-edit-patch to create a sabayon patch for switching to Xephyr
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| 11:35 | It involved updating configure.ac, re-generating configure, and (most importantly) updating debian/control to depend on xserver-xephyr for both build-dep and install.
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| 11:36 | debuild -S -sa
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| 11:36 | build fails with:
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| 11:36 | oh, did my dch -i as well
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| 11:37 | <sbalneav> configure: error: Xephyr binary not found
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| 11:37 | make: *** [config.status] Error 1
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| 11:37 | dpkg-buildpackage: failure: debian/rules build gave error exit status 2
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| 11:38 | ah
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| 11:38 | ergh
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| 11:38 | Maybe I should edit control.in.
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| 11:38 | unomomento
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| 11:39 | Oh, one other thing
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| 11:39 | when I re-run autoconf to regenerate configure from the configure.ac, it also adds to the patch a ton of the .cache stuff that autoconf creates, that's not needed.
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| 11:39 | any way to prevent that with cdbs-edit-patch?
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| 11:43 | * _UsUrPeR_ \ 0_o / | |
| 11:45 | <sbalneav> Nope, same thing.
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| 11:46 | vagrantc_ and/or ogra
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| 11:46 | any idears?
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| 11:46 | <ogra> remove it before savig the patch
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| 11:47 | <sbalneav> remove... control?
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| 11:47 | <ogra> .cache
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| 11:47 | <sbalneav> ah
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| 11:47 | ok
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| 11:47 | Any idea on the control issue?
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| 11:47 | <ogra> and do all autoconf stuff in a separate patch
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| 11:48 | are you sure the binary has a capital X ?
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| 11:48 | <sbalneav> debuild -S -sa complains about not finding xephyr, but I change the build-dep from xnest to xserver-xephyr
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| 11:48 | sbalneav@titan:~$ which Xephyr
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| 11:48 | /usr/bin/Xephyr
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| 11:48 | Seems to.
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| 11:49 | <ogra> ok, do you probably need to give the full path in the config option ?
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| 11:50 | <jammcq> sbalneav: Scotty !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 11:50 | <sbalneav> AC_PATH_PROG(XNEST_PATH,Xephyr,no)
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| 11:50 | <ogra> oh, and do you see it installing xserver-xephyr in pbuilder ?
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| 11:50 | <sbalneav> it's using AC_PATH_PROG, so no.
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| 11:50 | debuild isn't using the pbuilder, is it?
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| 11:50 | <ogra> oh, indeed it isnt
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| 11:51 | <sbalneav> I'm not at the pbuilder step yet.
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| 11:51 | <ogra> though for dependency issues i'd recomment using pbuilder
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| 11:51 | it always starts with a clean environment, so you see if all deps are correct
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| 11:52 | <sbalneav> Oh, I'm following the packaging guide, so I'm doing cdbs-edit-patch -> dch -i -> debuild -S -sa -> sudp pbulder build -> dput
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| 11:52 | <ogra> right
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| 11:54 | * ogra grabs the karmic sourcepackage | |
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| 11:55 | <ogra> you made your change in control.in, right ?
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| 11:55 | <sbalneav> right
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| 11:55 | <ogra> cdbs will regenerate control from it
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| 11:56 | <sbalneav> so, once I do the dch -i, is there another command I can run to generate the .dsc other than debuild?
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| 11:57 | <ogra> dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -S -sa is what i use ... but its essentially the same
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| 11:57 | what is XNEST_PATH set to ?
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| 11:58 | <sbalneav> it obviously KNOWS it needs xephyr, since that's the error it dies with. It's just not getting installed in the fakeroot.
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| 11:58 | so something with the build-depp's not working
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| 11:59 | but xserver-xephyr's listed in the build-dep in the control.in file.
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| 11:59 | <ogra> if test "x$XNEST_PATH" = "xno" ; then
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| 11:59 | AC_MSG_ERROR(Xnest binary not found)
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| 11:59 | fi
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| 11:59 | <sbalneav> right, and I'm changing Xnest to Xephyr
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| 11:59 | in the configure.ac
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| 12:00 | <ogra> and what is XNEST_PATH set to ?
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| 12:00 | <sbalneav> How do I tell that from the debuild?
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| 12:00 | <ogra> no idea, print it somehow
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| 12:00 | <sbalneav> Hm
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| 12:00 | <ogra> add a line to configure
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| 12:01 | <sbalneav> ok, I can try. Can't remember how to do that, off the top of my head.
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| 12:01 | I'd assume since I'm getting configure: error: Xephyr binary not found
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| 12:02 | it's set to "xno" :)
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| 12:02 | <ogra> right, try exporting it or so
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| 12:02 | <sbalneav> lemme see
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| 12:06 | going for lunch, back in a bit
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| 12:07 | <ogra> stgraber, no ltsp update for A3 ?
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| 12:07 | (alternate isos are already being tested)
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| 14:45 | <atomic007za> ???
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| 14:45 | <sbalneav> bbiab = be back in a bit
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| 14:48 | ogra: I think I have it solved, but now I may have another silly problem. I talked to LaserJock, and he pointed out I shouldn't be *patching* control.in, I should simply *edit* it.
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| 14:49 | <ltsppbot> "sbalneav" pasted "pbuilder takes a smell. xserver-xephyr virtual?!?!" (160 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/450
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| 14:50 | <sbalneav> ogra: now I get that
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| 14:51 | Or anyone else familiar with debian style packaging
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| 14:54 | <ace_suares> !seen ogra
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| 14:54 | <ltspbot> ace_suares: ogra was last seen in #ltsp 2 hours, 47 minutes, and 21 seconds ago: <ogra> (alternate isos are already being tested)
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| 14:55 | <ace_suares> hi all
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| 14:55 | loooong time no see
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| 14:56 | Finally got around to installing ubuntu 9.04 on my ltsp server, I was eager to use firefox as local app
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| 14:56 | on the edubuntu homepage it says it's very easy
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| 14:56 | it is, very easy, to get firefox up and running as local app
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| 14:57 | however, to get it to use internet... is a different thing
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| 14:57 | and flash... the whole point is to get the &*&&**& flash working locally.
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| 14:57 | I googled and searched, but a good step by step tutorial on how to get a usable ff on local apps, i could not find.
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| 14:58 | Please if anyone know where it is, pray tell me....
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| 14:58 | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ThinClientHowtoNAT i just found this maybe that helps..
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| 15:03 | <sbalneav> ace_suares: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LTSPLocalAppSetup
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| 15:03 | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPLocalAppsJaunty
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| 15:04 | make sure you install firefox and flash in your chroot.
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| 15:05 | <atomic007za> How can I stop ppl from dragging short cuts onto desktop
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| 15:06 | <ace_suares> atomic007za: make the Desktop folder read-only
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| 15:06 | <sbalneav> Difficult within gnome. You could always make their Desktop directory root owned.
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| 15:07 | <atomic007za> ace: would I do this for easch user? over 800
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| 15:07 | <ace_suares> scotty!!!!!
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| 15:08 | atomic007za: chown root /home/*/Desktop maybe ?
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| 15:08 | <sbalneav> atomic007za: yes.
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| 15:08 | Hello ace_suares
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| 15:08 | <atomic007za> hah
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| 15:08 | thanks ace
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| 15:09 | <ace_suares> sbalneav: long time. Hope you are fine. Local apps in jaunty looks wonderfull! But now anyone can do ALT-F2 localapps something? thats a whole new paradigm (in security)
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| 15:09 | <atomic007za> is there an "encarta 2009" for linux/ubuntu?
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| 15:09 | <ace_suares> atomic007za: wikipedia ?
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| 15:10 | <atomic007za> lol
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| 15:10 | ok
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| 15:10 | I menat something to install
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| 15:10 | <ace_suares> sbalneav: getting ff to work was easy but the internet part is more difficult, on top of that the resolv.conf stuff.
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| 15:10 | <atomic007za> no internet connection necsary
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| 15:11 | <ace_suares> Wouldnt' it be easier to install squid on the ltsp server and let the local firefox use that proxy ?
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| 15:11 | <sbalneav> ace_suares: it's up to you. Either use iptables or a squid proxy.
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| 15:12 | atomic007za: Yes. You can install a local copy of wikipedia.
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| 15:12 | <ace_suares> Using the proxy at least keeps the IP traffic within the LTSp server. I'll try that.
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| 15:12 | <atomic007za> really?
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| 15:12 | <sbalneav> You can actually download all the wikipedia data, and set up your own copy of wikipedia.
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| 15:13 | <ace_suares> Wikipedia:Database download - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_database>
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| 15:13 | <sbalneav> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_database
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| 15:13 | <ace_suares> :-)
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| 15:13 | <atomic007za> thanks, will look into it
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| 15:13 | <sbalneav> beat me.
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| 15:13 | <ace_suares> sbalneav: yeah but you rememberd to do it i forgot all about that and had a laugh first i read it :-)
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| 15:14 | it's not like a copy of the internet just a small portion :-)
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| 15:14 | off installing the proxy. Or as a matter of fact, can't I just do a tcp redirect... no... probably not...
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| 15:23 | <sbalneav> bieb, _UsUrPeR_, still about?
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| 15:24 | <bieb> yeah scott
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| 15:24 | <_UsUrPeR_> still here for about 8 minutes
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| 15:26 | <sbalneav> ok, I'm about to dput a new version of sabayon
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| 15:26 | <bieb> cool
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| 15:26 | <sbalneav> 0ubuntu11
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| 15:26 | It uses Xephyr instead of Xnest.
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| 15:27 | Xephyr has a known problem with Sabyon: no keyboard input possible.
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| 15:27 | <_UsUrPeR_> D:
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| 15:27 | <sbalneav> it's an xevent problem, and I may be able to solve it, but it will be interesting to see if you can at least get the desktop screen up to edit.
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| 15:28 | <ace_suares> sbalneav: what about this: apt-get install redir
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| 15:28 | <bieb> sbalneav: ok
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| 15:29 | <ace_suares> then: redir --laddr=192.168.0.1 --lport=3128 --caddr=10.0.0.1 --cport=3128 --bind_addr=10.0.0.2
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| 15:29 | seems to work excellently
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| 15:29 | <sbalneav> If it works, it works :)
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| 15:32 | bieb, and _UsUrPeR_, keep an eye on: https://edge.launchpad.net/~sbalneav/+archive/ppa
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| 15:32 | <sbalneav> when you see the build's done, give it a go.
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| 15:33 | <bieb> ok
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| 15:33 | can i do an apt-get to update it?
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| 15:34 | <sbalneav> If you've added my ppa to your sources.list, apt-get update; apt-get upgrade should pull it in.
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| 15:34 | <_UsUrPeR_> sbalneav: rgr
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| 15:34 | <_UsUrPeR_> I'll give it a shot tomorrow and forward results
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| 15:35 | <sbalneav> Let me know. I might spend some time tonight on the keyboard events, but I've also got an ldm bug to hammer out, so...
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| 15:35 | * sbalneav shrugs. | |
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| 16:23 | <ace_suares> documentation http://www.suares.an/index.php?page_id=1&news_id=253#news-top
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| 16:24 | <sbalneav> ace_suares: Why document there, where nobody will see it, rather than adding it to the Ubuntu LTSP portal?
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| 16:27 | <alkisg> ace_suares: "By the way, I tried 'locate lts_parameters.txt' but found nothing." ==> zcat /usr/share/doc/ltsp-server/lts-parameters.txt.gz | less
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| 16:27 | It
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| 16:27 | *It's with a dash, not an underscore...
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| 16:32 | <sbalneav> Heading home for the day, be on later tonight.
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| 16:32 | <ace_suares> alkisg: but it says lts_parameters.txt (with an underscore).
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| 16:33 | <ace_suares> alkisg: in lts.conf example thingy.
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| 16:33 | <alkisg> ace_suares: where?
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| 16:35 | <ace_suares> alkisg: in /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/hare/dic/ltsp-client-core/examples/lts.conf
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| 16:35 | dic=doc
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| 16:36 | hare=share
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| 16:36 | and on the web
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| 16:36 | <alkisg> ace_suares: so file a bug..
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| 16:36 | <ace_suares> alkisg: yeah sure
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| 16:37 | <alkisg> To search for a package files, another way is: dpkg -L ltsp-server
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| 16:37 | This way you see all of the files, and lts-parameters.txt is among them
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| 16:37 | <ace_suares> alkisg: thanks for the hint
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| 16:37 | <alkisg> np
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| 16:39 | <Gadi> ace_suares: that resolv.conf bug was a nasty one and makes local apps less pleasant. It was fixed in 5.1.74, which I think is in karmic's repository and stgraber's ppa - not sure if it is in jaunty updates yet or not
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| 16:40 | <ace_suares> sbalneav: well to let it be read first by you before i post somehting stupid on a portal that is not my own.
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| 16:41 | ...and i diont know where the damn portal is and how to edit and how to name stuff and so on
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| 16:41 | but I hope someone with more experience will hold my hand or put it there themselves the rest is googlefodder.
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| 19:30 | <map7> If I update the kernel on my for my clients in the /opt/ltsp/i386 directory do I have to run ltsp-update-image as well as ltsp-update-kernels? or just ltsp-update-kernels?
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| 19:32 | <jdu> on ltsp clients, it is possible to change the 'default' session to the .xsession file?
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| 19:46 | <sbalneav> map7: yes
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| 19:46 | jdu: Yes. Check the docks
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| 19:46 | !docs
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| 19:46 | <ltspbot> sbalneav: "docs" is For the most current documentation, see http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LtspDocumentationUpstream
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| 19:51 | <stgraber> sbalneav: hey, any news regarding ldm ?
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| 19:52 | <jdu> sbalneav: thanks
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| 19:58 | <map7> sbalneav is it safe to run a 'apt-get dist-upgrade' on my chroot ltsp client directory, to upgrade the kernel?
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| 20:17 | <jammcq> hey friends
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| 20:56 | <sbalneav> stgraber: working on it now.
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| 20:57 | <stgraber> sbalneav: thanks a lot
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| 20:57 | <jammcq> sbalneav: Scotty !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 21:02 | <sbalneav> Hey jammcq
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| 22:39 | <map7> I keep getting a Kernel call returned: Broken pipe Reconnecting error on my clients when I boot, could this be a bug?
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| 22:39 | I'm running Ubuntu 904 32bit
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| 22:41 | Full error: http://pastie.org/554552
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| 23:27 | <sbalneav> sigh. There's two people in the sabayon channel. Me and a silent sam.
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| 23:27 | This is... depressing.
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| 23:30 | <johnny> bug federico directly
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| 23:31 | he should be elsewhere
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| 23:31 | perhaps at a different time than now tho
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| 23:34 | <sbalneav> I guess.
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| 23:59 | <stgraber> ogra: just uploaded 5.1.68 to archive, package builds correctly and seems to contain everything though I didn't have the time to actually boot a thin client with it and it's lacking alkisg's udhcpc script that I didn't have time to try first.
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