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| 10:36 | <stefan_ltsp> Hello everyone, I'm trying to configure a 64 bit debian wheezy ltsp-server-standalone and obviously I seem to do something fundamentally wrong as I can't get it to work for several days now. This is my configuration: -My ltsp-server has two network-cards: -> eth0 (IP:192.168.0.13) is connected to my dhcp dsl router(IP:192.168.0.1) -> eth1 (IP:192.168.0.13) is connected to a switch where my thin clients are connected to as well
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| 10:36 | The dsl-dhcp router is configured to give ip-addresses between 192.168.0.10 and 192.168.0.255 On my debian wheezy I configured the following: sudo apt-get install ltsp-server-standalone sudo ltsp-update-image
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| 10:37 | ============================= #/etc/network/interfaces # This file describes the network interfaces available on your system # and how to activate them. For more information, see interfaces(5). # The loopback network interface auto lo iface lo inet loopback #Internet auto eth0 iface eth0 inet dhcp
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| 10:37 | #LTSP DHCP Server auto eth1 iface eth1 inet static address 192.168.0.13 netmask 255.255.255.0 network 192.168.0.0 broadcast 192.168.0.255 gateway 192.168.0.1 dns-nameservers 8.8.4.4 8.8.8.8 ====================================
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| 10:38 | <alkisg> It's way easier if you use different subnets
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| 10:38 | Put eth1 = 192.168.67.1
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| 10:38 | And modify the config files accordingly
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| 10:38 | <stefan_ltsp> Hi alkisg ;), many thanks for this tip
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| 10:40 | This is my /etc/ltsp.dhcp.conf file:
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| 10:40 | # Default LTSP dhcpd.conf config file. # authoritative; subnet 192.168.0.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 { range 192.168.0.3 192.168.0.9; option domain-name "ltsp-clevisto.com"; option domain-name-servers 192.168.0.13; option broadcast-address 192.168.0.255; option routers 192.168.0.13; next-server 192.168.0.13;
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| 10:40 | # get-lease-hostnames true; option subnet-mask 255.255.255.0; option root-path "/opt/ltsp/amd64"; if substring( option vendor-class-identifier, 0, 9 ) = "PXEClient" { filename "/ltsp/amd64/pxelinux.0"; } else { filename "/ltsp/amd64/nbi.img"; } } =========================================
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| 10:41 | After that I did: ========================================= sudo ltsp-update-sshkeys As the clients wheren't able to boot from the network, I figured out that I probably need dnsmasq installed as well. sudo apt-get install dnsmasq =========================================
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| 10:42 | <alkisg> Select either dhcpd or dnsmasq, don't use both
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| 10:42 | <stefan_ltsp> ok. Which would you recommend for my network environment?
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| 10:43 | The dsl-router has dhcp enabled so I assume I have to use dnsmasq?
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| 10:43 | <alkisg> Describe your setup more
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| 10:43 | How many clients, why do you need 2 NICs, are they thin or fat, etc
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| 10:44 | <stefan_ltsp> Only approximately 10 clients
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| 10:44 | 2 NICs because I read somewhere this is the recommended way to do it.
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| 10:45 | eth0 for the server to go online
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| 10:45 | <alkisg> Thin or fat?
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| 10:45 | I.e. CPU/RAM of the clients
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| 10:45 | <stefan_ltsp> thin
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| 10:46 | <alkisg> OK since you started with the 2-nic setup, keep it; i.e. just remove dnsmasq
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| 10:46 | <stefan_ltsp> (At the moment fo testing purposes they are fat, but in the future I want to use thin clients)
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| 10:46 | <alkisg> And change 192.168.0.x to 192.168.67.x in dhcpd.conf
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| 10:46 | <stefan_ltsp> ok, so I uninstall dnsmasq first
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| 10:46 | ?
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| 10:47 | <alkisg> Yes
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| 10:47 | <stefan_ltsp> ok
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| 10:48 | And do I just need to configure these two files /etc/network/interfaces and /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf in order to make the clients boot up?
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| 10:49 | <alkisg> Yes
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| 10:49 | <stefan_ltsp> This sounds fine ;)
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| 10:54 | Do I have to make further adjustments to these files? My /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf file now looks like this:
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| 10:54 | subnet 192.168.67.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 { range 192.168.67.0 192.168.0.250; option domain-name "ltsp.com"; option domain-name-servers 192.168.0.13; option broadcast-address 192.168.67.255; option routers 192.168.0.1; next-server 192.168.0.13;
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| 10:54 | # get-lease-hostnames true; option subnet-mask 255.255.255.0; option root-path "/opt/ltsp/amd64"; if substring( option vendor-class-identifier, 0, 9 ) = "PXEClient" { filename "/ltsp/amd64/pxelinux.0"; } else { filename "/ltsp/amd64/nbi.img"; } }
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| 10:55 | IP: 192.168.0.1 is my dhcp dsl-router
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| 10:55 | IP: 192.168.0.13 is my ltsp-server
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| 10:56 | <alkisg> Your dhcpd.conf still has 192.168.0 there
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| 10:56 | Replace ALL of them with 192.168.67.
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| 10:56 | Do a search/replace.
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| 10:57 | <stefan_ltsp> You mean "option routers 192.168.0.1; next-server 192.168.0.13" ?
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| 10:58 | I thought option routers is the ip-address of my dsl-router and next-server the ip of my ltsp-server
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| 10:58 | <alkisg> Search. You have 5 192.168.0.
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| 10:58 | You should have 0.
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| 10:58 | (zero, no 192.168.0 anywhere)
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| 10:59 | range 192.168.67.0 192.168.0.250;
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| 10:59 | E.g. the second one there is wrong
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| 10:59 | You can't have a range from 67.x to 0.x
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| 10:59 | Search.
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| 10:59 | <stefan_ltsp> oh, thanks a lot
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| 11:13 | <stefan_ltsp> I carefully adapted the 2 files with the search function and now they look like this:
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| 11:13 | subnet 192.168.67.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 { range 192.168.67.0 192.168.67.250; option domain-name "ltsp.com"; option domain-name-servers 192.168.0.13; option broadcast-address 192.168.67.255; option routers 192.168.0.1;
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| 11:13 | next-server 192.168.0.13; # get-lease-hostnames true; option subnet-mask 255.255.255.0; option root-path "/opt/ltsp/amd64"; if substring( option vendor-class-identifier, 0, 9 ) = "PXEClient" { filename "/ltsp/amd64/pxelinux.0"; } else { filename "/ltsp/amd64/nbi.img"; } }
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| 11:14 | <alkisg> You still have 192.168.0
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| 11:14 | Change them ALL to 192.168.67
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| 11:14 | <stefan_ltsp> also the router's ip?
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| 11:14 | <alkisg> E.g. next-server is the tftp server so your clients won't boot
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| 11:14 | Yes
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| 11:14 | They can't see a gateway on another subnet
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| 11:15 | If they'll even need a router, it'll be the ltsp server
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| 11:15 | <stefan_ltsp> and which ip would you recommend to set in for next-server and option-router?
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| 11:15 | 192.168.67.13 ?
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| 11:16 | or 192.168.67.1?
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| 11:16 | <alkisg> The ltsp server for both
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| 11:17 | stefan_ltsp: run this command: sed 's/192.168.0./192.168.67./g' /usr/share/doc/ltsp-server/examples/dhcpd.conf
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| 11:17 | This will give you the correct dhcpd.conf
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| 11:17 | It's a plain search and replace... which you refuse to do :)
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| 11:23 | <stefan_ltsp> sorry for my stupidity in this case ;). I'm trying to boot my thin clients now again
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| 11:44 | <stefan_ltsp> unfortunately my clients don't boot ;/
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| 11:44 | Is there perhaps something special about debian wheezy?
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| 11:44 | https://wiki.debian.org/LTSP/Howto
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| 11:45 | I took a fresh debian 7 wheezy install and did the following
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| 11:45 | sudo apt-get install ltsp-server-standalone
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| 11:45 | sudo ltsp-update-image
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| 11:46 | I configured the two files like described above
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| 11:47 | <alkisg> 1) What's the error message on your clients? 2) Did you restart dhcpd? 3) pastebin your current /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf
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| 11:48 | <stefan_ltsp> unfortunately I don't get any error message of my 64 bit macbook pro which I have here as test client
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| 11:48 | there is blinking globe on the screen and that's it.
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| 11:48 | <alkisg> !kvm
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| 11:48 | <ltsp_> kvm: Virtual thin client: kvm -vga vmware -ctrl-grab -no-shutdown -kernel /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/vmlinuz -initrd /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/initrd.img -append "ro init=/sbin/init-ltsp root=/dev/nbd0 ip=:10.160.67.10::"
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| 11:48 | <alkisg> ....you can try with a virtual client if you don't have a real one
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| 11:49 | <gbaman> wait, stefan_ltsp, you trying to network boot a mac via LTSP?
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| 11:49 | <stefan_ltsp> yes, for test purposes
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| 11:49 | via network boot
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| 11:49 | <gbaman> can macs PXE boot?
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| 11:49 | had a funny feeling they use some other protocol?
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| 11:51 | yea, macs cant by default pxeboot, they usenetboot
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| 11:51 | *use netboot
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| 11:52 | <stefan_ltsp> oh, that's something I wouln't have thought of in years
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| 11:52 | ok, I'll try a virtual client
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| 11:52 | <gbaman> have a funny feeling reading white back that it is possible by booting off a CD which then loads a pxeboot environment..
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| 11:52 | will have a hunt around
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| 11:53 | <stefan_ltsp> thank you so much
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| 11:53 | <alkisg> !ipxe
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| 11:53 | <ltsp_> ipxe: iPXE is the successor to the etherboot/gPXE project, and can be used to netboot clients that don't have a NIC ROM with a PXE stack. To add it to grub, see !grub-ipxe. To add it to the Windows boot loader, see !win32-loader. To download floppy, CD or USB images, visit http://ipxe.org or install the ipxe package.
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| 11:54 | <gbaman> that sounds like it
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| 11:54 | anyways, i gota head out, check out ipxe and gpxe
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| 11:55 | a virtual client or just a non mac might be simpler though
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| 11:55 | <stefan_ltsp> thanks a lot
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| 11:56 | you really helped me very patiently and competent
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| 12:18 | <stefan_ltsp> @gbaman: I'll go to a different location where I have some non-mac hardware to test with. Thanks a lot for your help!!!
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| 13:25 | <squoter> guys
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| 13:25 | <gbaman> ?
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| 13:25 | <squoter> hi from ukraine)
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| 13:25 | can you help me?
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| 13:26 | not all client connect to epoptes server
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| 13:26 | <gbaman> LTSP thin/fat clients?
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| 13:26 | <squoter> fat
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| 13:26 | <gbaman> if it works for 1, should work for all?
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| 13:27 | same image..
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| 13:27 | <squoter> i dont know why(
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| 13:27 | <gbaman> are the clients all exactly the same hardware?
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| 13:27 | <squoter> yes
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| 13:27 | <gbaman> ..
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| 13:27 | tried rebooting them?
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| 13:27 | <squoter> yes
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| 13:27 | <gbaman> ..
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| 13:28 | <squoter> epoptec-client -c
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| 13:28 | <gbaman> is it always the same ones that work?
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| 13:28 | <squoter> all is ok, reboot - and not working
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| 13:28 | i install this today
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| 13:28 | <gbaman> oh wait, 0 clients are currently connecting to the epoptes server?
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| 13:28 | <squoter> this is school
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| 13:28 | 1 client connect
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| 13:29 | but in classroom 9 pc's
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| 13:29 | <gbaman> hmm
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| 13:29 | did the server ip address change?
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| 13:29 | <squoter> no
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| 13:29 | i cant understand(
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| 13:29 | <gbaman> and you did do epoptes-client -c on the client chroot?
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| 13:30 | <squoter> yes
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| 13:30 | i received key, all is ok
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| 13:30 | <gbaman> hmm
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| 13:30 | <squoter> but after reboot - nothing
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| 13:30 | <gbaman> when you switch everything off and on, do any of the fat clients connect to the epoptes server?
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| 13:30 | <squoter> no((
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| 13:31 | <gbaman> ok, we are getting somewhere
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| 13:31 | that is good
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| 13:31 | well, not good
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| 13:31 | but better
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| 13:31 | you using nbd or nfs?
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| 13:32 | <squoter> no
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| 13:33 | <gbaman> well, you will be using 1 or the other
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| 13:34 | if using nbd, don't forget to update your image after every change with sudo ltsp-update-image
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| 13:34 | <squoter> i check now
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| 13:35 | not nbd
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| 13:35 | <gbaman> hmm
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| 13:36 | <squoter> gbaman, i'm school teacher, i don't know so much about linux(
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| 13:37 | <gbaman> Either do I :)
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| 13:37 | and also, so am I, sort of :)
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| 13:37 | hmm
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| 13:37 | normally epoptes just works out of the box..
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| 13:38 | <squoter> yes, i read this((
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| 13:39 | <gbaman> hmm
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| 13:39 | the clients log in fine, right?
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| 13:40 | <squoter> yes
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| 13:40 | now i check remove keys
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| 13:40 | maybe problem in this
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| 13:44 | <gbaman> hmm
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| 13:45 | maybe try apt-get purge epoptes-client on the client chroot
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| 13:46 | and reinstall it from scratch?
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| 13:46 | <squoter> okay, i check now
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| 13:46 | <gbaman> *just epoptes, not the entire client
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| 13:46 | <squoter> thank you
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| 14:13 | <squoter> guys
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| 14:13 | in 9 pc's epoptes works fine
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| 14:13 | in 1 - not working
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| 14:13 | anyone can help?
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| 18:31 | <gbaman_> sigh, this really is not working..
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| 18:32 | I need all my users to have sudo use on the ltsp clients
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| 18:33 | <gbaman_> issue is, it seems by default, when using gnome-control-center user management it ignores the default group setting in adduser.conf..
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| 19:37 | <alkisg> gbaman_: why do you want sudo on the clients?
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| 19:37 | <gbaman_> to give them access to the GPIO pins on the Raspberry Pi
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| 19:46 | <slackish> This is super dangerous.. so use at your own will. Put this in your sudoers file: "ALL ALL=NOPASSWD: ALL"
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| 19:46 | I would never do that on _ANY_ of my machines
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| 19:50 | <||cw> why not just set the permissions correctly...
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| 19:53 | <||cw> http://dissectionbydavid.wordpress.com/2013/10/21/raspberry-pi-using-gpio-wiringpi-without-root-sudo-access/
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| 19:57 | <gbaman_> ||cw: because I want it to be the same as a Raspberry Pi, which the default user has sudo access
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| 19:57 | <alkisg> gbaman_: ls -lh /dev
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| 19:58 | You want them to have access to which device there?
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| 19:58 | <gbaman_> ?
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| 19:58 | <gbaman_> yes
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| 19:58 | <alkisg> *which*?
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| 19:58 | Not "yes"...
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| 19:58 | <gbaman_> oops, one sec
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| 20:00 | <alkisg> (giving them root access is not a good thing because they'll be able to do anything then, e.g. install keyloggers...)
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| 20:00 | (better give them access to usb or serial or whatever devices only)
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| 20:01 | <gbaman_> oops, wrong place, /sys/devices/virtual/gpio
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| 20:02 | brb
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| 20:03 | <gbaman> back
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| 20:03 | <||cw> gbaman: what the use case? programming rpi class? why not just boot local?
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| 20:04 | if you want it to be the same, then do it the same
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| 20:04 | <alkisg> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/12133860/accessing-the-gpio-of-a-raspberry-pi-without-sudo
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| 20:33 | <alkisg> !learn sudoers as Not recommented for security reasons: RCFILE_01="echo USER ALL=NOPASSWD: /path/to/program >> /etc/sudoers". USER and /path/to/program can also be ALL.
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| 20:33 | <ltsp_> The operation succeeded.
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| 20:33 | <alkisg> !sudoers | echo gbaman:
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| 20:33 | <ltsp_> gbaman: sudoers: Not recommented for security reasons: RCFILE_01="echo USER ALL=NOPASSWD: /path/to/program >> /etc/sudoers". USER and /path/to/program can also be ALL.
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| 20:43 | <vagrantc> alkisg: whhere are we at with ltsp 5.5.1?
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| 20:43 | <alkisg> Hi vagrantc
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| 20:43 | <vagrantc> alkisg: no time? should i just release what we have so far?
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| 20:44 | * alkisg has been pretty busy the last days, yeah... it's a bit better now | |
| 20:44 | <alkisg> ...trying to remember where we were...!!!
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| 20:44 | !alkisg-todo
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| 20:44 | <ltsp_> alkisg-todo: (#1) upload fixed nbd-server package in the PPA, or (#2) LDM password hash, or (#3) Check ltsp bugs in debian.org, or (#4) ltsp-config aoe (for swap too), or (#5) Hooks for running scripts on these phases: INITRD/INIT/RC/DM/AUTH/LOGIN/SESSION/PERIODIC/LOGOUT/SHUTDOWN, or (#6) "support logind for fat clients"
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| 20:44 | <alkisg> !forget alkisg #1
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| 20:44 | <ltsp_> Error: There is no such factoid.
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| 20:44 | <alkisg> !forget alkisg-todo 1
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| 20:44 | <ltsp_> The operation succeeded.
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| 20:45 | <alkisg> !forget alkisg-todo 3
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| 20:45 | <ltsp_> The operation succeeded.
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| 20:45 | <alkisg> !forget alkisg-todo 2
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| 20:45 | <ltsp_> The operation succeeded.
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| 20:45 | <alkisg> !alkisg-todo
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| 20:45 | <ltsp_> alkisg-todo: (#1) LDM password hash, or (#2) Hooks for running scripts on these phases: INITRD/INIT/RC/DM/AUTH/LOGIN/SESSION/PERIODIC/LOGOUT/SHUTDOWN, or (#3) "support logind for fat clients"
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| 20:45 | <alkisg> #3 is the most urgent one
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| 20:46 | Because without it usb sticks etc won't work for fat clients
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| 20:46 | <vagrantc> it's apparently more important for debian now... seems like systemd will be the default...
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| 20:46 | <alkisg> Fortunately Ubuntu will follow too... :)
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| 20:47 | <vagrantc> really?
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| 20:47 | * vagrantc is amazed | |
| 20:47 | <alkisg> Yeah, Shuttleworth announced it the day after it was decided for jessy
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| 20:48 | <vagrantc> by decree
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| 20:48 | <alkisg> Ubuntu is mostly focused on phones right now, so it'd be best if they dropped most of their .diffs from Debian :)
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| 20:48 | <alkisg> So anyway, about LTSP again, I think I can work on #3 tomorrow
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| 20:48 | Is that OK?
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| 20:49 | * vagrantc forgets when the ubuntu feature freeze is | |
| 20:50 | <alkisg> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TrustyTahr/ReleaseSchedule, Feb 20th
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| 20:50 | <stgraber> this Thursday
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| 20:50 | well, tomorrow
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| 20:50 | <vagrantc> apparently it's *now*
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| 20:50 | <alkisg> Maybe we could publish what's already committed upstream, and get logind support as a bug fix?
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| 20:50 | <vagrantc> there are some fairly important issues to fix still
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| 20:51 | the main upstream fix that's needed is the symlinks for ltsp-pnp support?
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| 20:51 | <alkisg> Yes
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| 20:51 | <vagrantc> and that vesioning mess
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| 20:51 | i've got a workaround for the versioning problems
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| 20:52 | although the ltsp-build-client manpage still needs a fix to get plugins from the appropriate vendor
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| 20:52 | <alkisg> And nbd-disconnect should work in more cases now
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| 20:52 | <vagrantc> i honestly haven't touched any of this for a week or two
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| 20:52 | <alkisg> stgraber: if we do an ltsp release today or tomorrow, will you have time to sync it before FF?
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| 20:53 | <vagrantc> stgraber: so as long as you're fixing bugs, it doesn't matter if the feature freeze is over, yes?
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| 20:53 | cuz i think we have all the features in
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| 20:54 | <alkisg> (should I also enable translation commits today, to have them ready before tagging a new version? I think that launchpad will commit them in ...5 hours from now)
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| 21:14 | <stgraber> vagrantc: correct
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| 21:15 | alkisg: I'm slightly busy with the LXC 1.0 release due tomorrow but I should be able to do a quick merge of LTSP before FeatureFreeze or I'll just grant myself an exception and do it slightly after the freeze
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| 21:15 | <alkisg> Nice, I'll try to commit a fix for logind tomorrow
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