IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 20 February 2014 (all times are UTC)
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| 06:34 | <work_alkisg> !sudoers
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| 06:34 | <ltsp_> sudoers: Not recommented for security reasons: RCFILE_01="echo USER ALL=NOPASSWD: /path/to/program >> /etc/sudoers". USER and /path/to/program can also be ALL.
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| 06:42 | <vagrantc> eeyk
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| 10:51 | <alkisg> !alkisg-todo
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| 10:51 | <ltsp_> alkisg-todo: (#1) LDM password hash, or (#2) Hooks for running scripts on these phases: INITRD/INIT/RC/DM/AUTH/LOGIN/SESSION/PERIODIC/LOGOUT/SHUTDOWN, or (#3) "support logind for fat clients"
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| 10:51 | <alkisg> !forget alkisg-todo 3
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| 10:51 | <ltsp_> The operation succeeded.
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| 12:40 | <squoter> guys
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| 12:40 | can anyone help me?(
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| 12:40 | <alkisg> !ask
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| 12:40 | <ltsp_> ask: Don't ask to ask a question, simply ask it, and if someone knows the answer, they'll respond. Please hang around for at least a full hour after asking a question, as not everybody constantly monitors the channel.
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| 12:40 | <squoter> 9 pc's - i help me
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| 12:41 | oh
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| 12:41 | okay)
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| 12:41 | 9 pc's have preview in epoptes, 1 - not have. why?
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| 12:41 | <alkisg> squoter: let's go again... from the server, and from that pc: x11vnc -connect plinet.ioa.sch.gr
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| 12:42 | <squoter> hi alkisg)))) this is another school)
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| 12:46 | <alkisg> squoter: are you talking about comp10?
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| 12:47 | <squoter> i must run vnc on pc without preview?
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| 12:47 | yes
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| 12:47 | <alkisg> Someone is working there
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| 12:47 | Tell him not to get scared :)
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| 12:48 | squoter: can you open a terminal on comp10?
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| 12:48 | I don't see any menus...
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| 12:48 | Maybe that's the problem, that the session has not correctly started
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| 12:49 | Something else hanged, and the menus and epoptes-client wasn't loaded
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| 12:49 | <squoter> reinstal epoptes?
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| 12:49 | <alkisg> No
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| 12:49 | Can you open a terminal?
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| 12:49 | <squoter> in 10 pcs?
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| 12:49 | <alkisg> No, in comp10
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| 12:49 | <squoter> i can run vnc
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| 12:49 | <alkisg> Press Alt+F2 there
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| 12:49 | <squoter> okay
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| 12:49 | <alkisg> And run gnome-terminal
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| 12:50 | Not from epoptes
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| 12:50 | Physically, go there and press alt+f2
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| 12:50 | <squoter> yes
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| 12:56 | <alkisg> squoter: if he logs out and then back in, does it work then?
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| 12:57 | <squoter> now works
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| 12:57 | thank you so much!!!
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| 12:57 | <alkisg> I didn't fix it
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| 12:57 | I run it manually
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| 12:57 | (02:56:55 μμ) alkisg: squoter: if he logs out and then back in, does it work then?
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| 12:57 | So, try that ^ and tell me
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| 12:58 | Tell the user to logout and then to login again
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| 12:59 | <squoter> no(
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| 13:00 | not work
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| 13:01 | <alkisg> Then it's a problem with lxde in 13.10 not running things in /etc/xdg/autostart... or a problem in that specific installation
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| 13:01 | When epoptes-client runs manually, everything is fine
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| 13:01 | So it's not a problem with epoptes
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| 13:02 | <squoter> ok, i reinstal it)
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| 13:02 | <alkisg> ok :)
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| 13:02 | <squoter> thank you so much!!!
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| 13:02 | <alkisg> You're welcome
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| 13:47 | <the_owl_0v0> Hi all! - I have a client with a LTSP setup working in both his main office and a seperate one in a recently opened branch office - is it possible to "join" them to allow a user set up at one office to login to their accout at the other, and possibly send print requests between offices? - many thanks!
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| 13:50 | BTW they ar running on ubuntu 13.04 and both offices have ADSL with a static IP
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| 13:53 | testing 123 - is there anybody there???
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| 13:53 | <the_owl_0v0> hello?
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| 13:56 | <Hyperbyte> !ask
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| 13:56 | <ltsp_> ask: Don't ask to ask a question, simply ask it, and if someone knows the answer, they'll respond. Please hang around for at least a full hour after asking a question, as not everybody constantly monitors the channel.
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| 13:56 | <Hyperbyte> Have some patience my dearest Owl.
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| 13:57 | Whatever you're going to do, realize that over ADSL it'll be horribly slow. No matter what you do.
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| 13:57 | <the_owl_0v0> many thanks Hyperbyte! - could only see my own posts and thought something was wrong! - with the list of users on the right was thinking the screen should be flying along.. :-)
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| 13:58 | <Hyperbyte> Nah, LTSP is developed and supported entirely by volunteers... most of us are at work now... including me actually. ;-)
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| 13:59 | <the_owl_0v0> me too, just got this question dumped on me by the client! :-/
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| 13:59 | <Hyperbyte> Well, it's going to be slow.
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| 14:00 | <Hyperbyte> Depending on what they need exactly, you could consider sharing the files & printers, or sharing entire desktops.
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| 14:00 | You could set up x2go for example, to enable users to log into their actual desktop in the other office.
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| 14:02 | <the_owl_0v0> I thought the speed would be an issue, but SSHing into the home directories seems to come up quite quickly, as to file transfers. Was hoping to be able to use the local server to PXE and run the session then just log in and access account files and resources on remote system - without going down the freeMX route - have you seen this done or poissibly point me in the direction of info I may have missed?
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| 14:02 | Thanks again! :-D
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| 14:11 | <the_owl_0v0> BRB, just been called into the clients office!
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| 14:33 | <BurnedBrainZ> hi all
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| 14:43 | <the_owl_0v0> Back!
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| 14:43 | <the_owl_0v0> hi Burned Brain!
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| 14:44 | great name!
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| 14:49 | <gp> Good morning. I am using some Intel Atom thin clients. I cannot seem to get the graphics driver installed for the clients to work properly because I cannot set the correct resolution for the monitors. How can I go about correcting this?
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| 14:50 | <BurnedBrainZ> hi!
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| 15:55 | <ltsp-server> manrique verga
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| 16:06 | <vagrantc> work_alkisg: so that fix should work for fatclients?
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| 16:06 | work_alkisg: the logind support?
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| 16:07 | <workingcats> vagrantc, i saw him remove the todo for that earlier
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| 16:12 | * vagrantc will try to upload 5.5.1 today, then | |
| 16:13 | <vagrantc> oh, that's an ldm fix
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| 16:15 | <workingcats> <ltsp_> alkisg-todo: (#1) LDM password hash, or (#2) Hooks for running scripts on these phases: INITRD/INIT/RC/DM/AUTH/LOGIN/SESSION/PERIODIC/LOGOUT/SHUTDOWN, or (#3) "support logind for fat clients"
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| 16:15 | <alkisg> !forget alkisg-todo 3
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| 16:15 | that's all i know i'm afraid
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| 16:16 | <vagrantc> yeah, taking a look at it now ...
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| 16:17 | work_alkisg: seems to hard-code XDG_VTNR=7 ... but if you run LDM as SCREEN_08, shouldn't that be XDG_VTNR=8 ?
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| 16:17 | otherwise, what a pleasantly simple fix.
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| 16:17 | or workaround
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| 16:40 | <cliebow_> so nowadays to install ltsp is nothing more than aapt-get install what?
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| 16:42 | * cliebow_ cliebow reads on.. | |
| 16:43 | <vagrantc> apt-get install ltsp-server/ltsp-server-standalone
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| 16:43 | ltsp-build-client
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| 16:43 | will work on debian and ubuntu
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| 16:43 | you may also need/want to run ltsp-config on various bits
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| 16:43 | /w/ 14
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| 16:44 | <cliebow_> who s working opensuse?? anyone??
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| 16:44 | <vagrantc> i think that's cyberorg
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| 16:44 | nott sure who else
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| 16:45 | but they do things a bit differently
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| 16:45 | <cliebow_> hehe!
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| 16:45 | <vagrantc> !kiwi
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| 16:45 | <ltsp_> kiwi: The opensuse/kiwi implementation of LTSP is a bit different than in other distros, so the best way to get support is in the #kiwi-ltsp irc channel. See also http://en.opensuse.org/LTSP
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| 16:45 | <cliebow_> passing that on to my partner in crime here
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| 16:51 | <alkisg> vagrantc: so, I pushed a fix for logind at ldm-trunk instead of ltsp-trunk :)
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| 16:53 | I haven't tried running LDM at vt8 to see if it needs a different XDG_VTNR
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| 16:54 | <vagrantc> alkisg: i'm just guessing that's what that does...
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| 16:54 | <alkisg> Btw in 14.04, X is launched with "-seat seat0", and the systemd wiki mentions that it's needed, but I saw that it works without it, so I omitted it for backwards compatibility
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| 16:55 | I saw some commit about "forcing all X sessions to be active unconditionally"
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| 16:56 | OK let me do a quick test about vt...
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| 16:57 | <vagrantc> it'd be easier for me to just upload a patch to ldm, rather than a new upstream... but not much
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| 16:58 | i think all the translation diffs are nno-ops
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| 16:58 | er, no-op
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| 16:59 | <alkisg> Should I enable the translation commits, to see if something new has arrived? They'll get pushed in... 9 hours from now
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| 17:00 | <vagrantc> could enable them for a day ... though i'll probably just upload a patched 2.2.12
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| 17:00 | although maybe i'll wait.
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| 17:00 | may as well enable them
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| 17:02 | <alkisg> Btw I think now with systemd, xprop running as root is killed after 10 seconds or so, so the logouts are slow...
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| 17:02 | Maybe we could run `killall ltsp-localappsd` on logout...
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| 17:05 | <cliebow_> vagrantc:did you ever write up your macbook dhcpd.conf?
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| 17:05 | <vagrantc> no, i didn't
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| 17:06 | <cliebow_> heh..no prob..just was talking about it
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| 17:06 | <vagrantc> shouldn't be too hard to sanitize it
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| 17:06 | just need to take tthe time
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| 17:07 | <cliebow_> righto
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| 17:08 | <alkisg> vagrantc: yup setting the correct XDG_VTNR is indeed needed... do we have the vt number somewhere, or should I use ${SCREEN_NUM#0} ?
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| 17:08 | ...or ${DISPLAY#:} ...
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| 17:09 | Hmm, in screen-x-common, we do TTY=$(tty)...
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| 17:11 | <alkisg> ...but that's not available in X95-*...
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| 17:15 | <hydruid> Is this still an active project?
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| 17:15 | <alkisg> Yup
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| 17:15 | <cliebow_> you bet!
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| 17:15 | <hydruid> alkisg: oh wow your name brings back some memories!
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| 17:15 | alkisg: cliebow_: ty
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| 17:15 | <alkisg> Really? I don't remember you, sorry...
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| 17:15 | <cliebow_> 8~)
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| 17:15 | <hydruid> alkisg: it's okay I probably had a different nick
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| 17:15 | treyh or thunsucker
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| 17:15 | <alkisg> Ah, ok
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| 17:16 | <cliebow_> im active..just no help
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| 17:16 | <hydruid> :P
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| 17:16 | I have a customer that can't afford new PC's but has an epic server farm.......LTSP came to mind
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| 17:17 | <cliebow_> i lost my lab to 1:1 about five years ago im school
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| 17:17 | <hydruid> so just thought I'd pop in here and say hello as I spin up a new VM
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| 17:17 | cliebow_: yes most of my customers are schools, I feel your pain. Did they go the apple route?
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| 17:18 | <cliebow_> yep..piles of ipads everyewhere..
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| 17:18 | <hydruid> cliebow_: similar story here........
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| 17:19 | <cliebow_> State of Maine
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| 17:19 | <hydruid> oklahoma here...
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| 17:19 | cliebow_: Do you guys utilize E-Rate?
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| 17:19 | <cliebow_> yes..
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| 17:20 | <hydruid> cliebow_: I work for an E-Rate vendor :P
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| 17:20 | cliebow_: what do you think about them combing P1/P2 next year?
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| 17:20 | <cliebow_> ahh yes..dont know that term
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| 17:21 | <hydruid> cliebow_: priority 1/2 or Internal Connections / Basic Maintenance
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| 17:22 | <cliebow_> hant been involved in erate...basically a tech..running openldap..acmt..
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| 17:22 | <hydruid> cliebow_: :P
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| 17:22 | <alkisg> vagrantc: pushed
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| 17:41 | <vagrantc> alkisg: hopefully there's no issue with XDG_SEAT being hardcoded to seat0 ?
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| 17:41 | <alkisg> vagrantc: I think there will be if we have multiple active seats,
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| 17:41 | but e.g. xfreerdp and shell don't count as active seats...
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| 17:42 | and we never supported multiple LDM screens anyway...
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| 17:42 | And, since all those hacks will go away in ltsp 6... I don't think it's worth the trouble to spend more time in this
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| 17:42 | <vagrantc> well, we haven't supported multiple LDM sessions for ages
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| 17:43 | but yes, i agree
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| 17:43 | <hydruid> alkisg: when will LTSp6 be out?
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| 17:43 | <alkisg> hydruid: dunno, the ltsp developers count is pretty low these days :)
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| 17:43 | <hydruid> :P
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| 17:44 | <vagrantc> we're all too distracted
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| 17:44 | <hydruid> alkisg: I was around for the end of 4.x and beginning of 5.x
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| 17:44 | the user list in this channel certainly is low
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| 17:44 | * alkisg jumped on the ltsp wagon in 2007-8... | |
| 17:46 | <hydruid> alkisg: I think I did around 2010
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| 17:46 | <alkisg> That was waaay after ltsp 5...
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| 17:47 | <vagrantc> ltsp5 came out in 2005, and I think became recommended in 2006/2007
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| 17:47 | <hydruid> alkisg: hmmm maybe it was earlier then, or perhaps Ubuntu didn't have the 5.x package yet
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| 17:47 | <cliebow_> i was in around 2001 and am hanger-on since 2008
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| 17:47 | <vagrantc> ubuntu was the first major distro to include ltsp5
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| 17:47 | <alkisg> When I started, with Ubuntu 7.04, noone was using ltsp 4...
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| 17:48 | <vagrantc> or, back then i think it was called ltsp muekow
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| 17:48 | alkisg: people are still using ltsp4 :P
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| 17:48 | <cliebow_> that was a Scottie-ism
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| 17:48 | <alkisg> I mean, here :D
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| 17:48 | <hydruid> :P maybe it was longer ago then I remember
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| 17:48 | i think my original install might have been on 10.04
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| 17:49 | <cliebow_> rhel3 i think here..bolted for ubuntu at 4.2
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| 17:49 | 4.2 rocked
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| 17:50 | <vagrantc> all it lacked was enough energy to maintain it :)
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| 17:50 | <cliebow_> yes..
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| 17:51 | well..sound was problematical..
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| 17:51 | <vagrantc> we barely keep ltsp5 going, and 98% of the work is already done by the distro
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| 17:52 | <cliebow_> we need more ketchup..
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| 17:56 | <hydruid> hmmmm
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| 17:57 | updated my chroot and when running ltsp-update-image, it complains that "/opt/ltsp/amd64......" doesn't exist
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| 17:58 | <vagrantc> did you build an i386 chroot?
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| 17:59 | <hydruid> vagrantc: yes
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| 17:59 | looks like an old bug from 2008
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| 17:59 | had to add "-a i386" at the end
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| 18:00 | <vagrantc> this must be a very old install...
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| 18:01 | <hydruid> about 2 hours
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| 18:01 | fresh install on fully patched ubuntu 12.04 LTS
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