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| 00:45 | <Lobinha> hello, anyone have a tutorial for install ltsp-cluster in ubuntu 14.10?
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| 06:52 | <Piyush> hello
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| 06:52 | I have sucessfully install ltsp on my centos 6.2 64 bit
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| 06:53 | but when i try to boot the client, only login screen is coming
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| 06:53 | once i enter the username and password, then again the same login screen is coming
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| 06:53 | not able to debug it
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| 06:55 | <Piyush> not able to debug it
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| 06:56 | <alkisg> I don't think anyone maintains ltsp on centos
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| 06:57 | You might want to consider changing the distribution
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| 06:57 | It might be a problem with your session, does it require 3d? E.g. is it gnome-shell?
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| 06:59 | <Piyush> no its not 3d
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| 06:59 | SCREEN_07=ldm
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| 06:59 | <alkisg> Which desktop environment? Gnome?
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| 07:00 | <Piyush> yes its Gnome
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| 07:00 | <alkisg> Gnome is 3d
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| 07:00 | Which version of gnome?
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| 07:01 | <Piyush> gnome-session-2.28.0-22.el6.x86_64
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| 07:01 | gnome-desktop-2.28.2-11.el6.centos.x86_64
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| 07:02 | <alkisg> That's the old gnome, ok, it's 2d, it should work
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| 07:02 | So it sounds like a problem with centos/ltsp
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| 07:02 | Try creating a /usr/share/xsessions/xterm.desktop session, that only runs xterm
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| 07:02 | Then select that one, and try launching gnome-session from there, to see the errors
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| 07:02 | I.e. you need to debug ltsp on centos because noone maintains it
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| 07:03 | <Piyush> ok
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| 07:04 | can you provide me good link for ltsp to install on ubuntu?
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| 07:04 | <alkisg> What are your client specs? CPU, RAM?
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| 07:05 | <Piyush> these are thin client and on my server side its , 16GB ram 4 CPU
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| 07:06 | <alkisg> So they don't have e.g. 1 GB RAM?
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| 07:07 | Here's one page for thin clients, I don't know if it's well maintained: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall
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| 07:07 | <Piyush> yup they have ram aroung 512MB
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| 07:08 | <alkisg> Basically you install ubuntu, install ltsp-server-standalone, and run ltsp-build-client
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| 07:08 | <Piyush> ok and what about the ltsp-update-image
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| 07:08 | do i need to run this also
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| 07:09 | <alkisg> ltsp-build-client also runs ltsp-update-image
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| 07:10 | <Piyush> ok
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| 07:10 | thanks for your help
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| 07:10 | will try this
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| 07:34 | <Hyperbyte> oh hi! :-)
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| 15:31 | <Bruckner_2> Hi
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| 15:31 | Anyone alive in here?
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| 15:36 | <gbti> I'm alive
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| 15:37 | <Bruckner_2> Cool
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| 15:38 | You're a ltsp implementer ?
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| 15:38 | <gbti> nope
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| 15:39 | <Bruckner_2> ok
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| 15:42 | <gbti> but.. ask away!
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| 15:42 | <Bruckner_2> hah
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| 15:42 | I was playing around with the default desktop
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| 15:43 | in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf
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| 15:43 | because I am trying to get away from Unity a little, it's buggy
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| 15:44 | so I installed lxde
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| 15:44 | I don't think I want to drop it on this office without warning, it was an experiment
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| 15:44 | so I want to load Unity default again
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| 15:45 | <alkisg> !gnome-flashback
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| 15:45 | <ltsp`> I do not know about 'gnome-flashback', but I do know about these similar topics: 'gnome-fallback'
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| 15:45 | <alkisg> !gnome-fallback
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| 15:45 | <ltsp`> gnome-fallback: Unity, compiz etc are sometimes slow or buggy. To select gnome-fallback as your default session, install the gnome-session-fallback package, and put this in your lts.conf: LDM_SESSION="gnome-session --session=gnome-fallback"
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| 15:45 | <alkisg> !unity
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| 15:45 | <ltsp`> Error: "unity" is not a valid command.
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| 15:45 | <Bruckner_2> yeah
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| 15:45 | <alkisg> Meh... nowadays it's just LDM_SESSION=lubuntu or LDM_SESSION=ubuntu etc
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| 15:46 | <Bruckner_2> okay
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| 15:46 | I'll try that, thanks
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| 15:47 | <gbti> alkisg: I find out how to make xfreerdp work on Win8, works fine now.
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| 15:47 | <alkisg> gbti: cool
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| 15:48 | !learn LDM_SESSION as to specify a default session for clients, run `ls /usr/share/xsessions`, see the filename.desktop that you're interested in, and then put LDM_SESSION="filename". For example, LDM_SESSION="gnome-fallback" or LDM_SESSION="ubuntu".
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| 15:48 | <ltsp`> The operation succeeded.
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| 15:49 | <alkisg> Bruckner_2: see that ^
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| 15:49 | <Bruckner_2> I'll try the quites
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| 15:49 | quotes
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| 15:49 | the other didn't work
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| 15:49 | <gbti> anyway, if anyone is searching for this on irc logs, there is how worked for me: 'xfreerdp --gdi sw --no-nla --no-tls --ignore-certificate -a 24 --no-bmp-cache -f 192.168.0.226'
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| 15:50 | <alkisg> Bruckner_2: what is your ltsp version?
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| 15:50 | <Bruckner_2> one moment, thanks
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| 15:50 | <alkisg> !learn win8-rdp as SCREEN_07="xfreerdp --gdi sw --no-nla --no-tls --ignore-certificate -a 24 --no-bmp-cache -f 192.168.0.226"
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| 15:50 | <ltsp`> The operation succeeded.
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| 15:51 | <Bruckner_2> ltsp-server-standalone 5.3.7-0ubuntu2.8
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| 15:52 | <alkisg> Yes that's old, LDM_SESSION was broken there
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| 15:52 | <Bruckner_2> Oh
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| 15:52 | <alkisg> Try the long form with gnome-session --session=ubuntu etc
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| 15:52 | I.e. the Exec line from the .desktop file
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| 15:52 | <Bruckner_2> okay
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| 15:55 | that wored
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| 15:55 | worked
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| 15:55 | thanks
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| 15:55 | <alkisg> np
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| 15:56 | <Bruckner_2> Our company has been using ltsp for years, I've been here for six months, everyone's sorta giving up on ltsp because it seems to be becoming more unstable
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| 15:56 | maybe it's fine, and things can be manipulated to rock solid again
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| 15:56 | <alkisg> LTSP doesn't have unstable code, but xorg over the network is indeed becoming more unstable
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| 15:56 | <Bruckner_2> but every time our main server goes down or needs to be rebooted, ltsp doesn't come back clean
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| 15:56 | <alkisg> It's not an ltsp issue
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| 15:56 | <Bruckner_2> it's ubuntu?
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| 15:57 | <alkisg> No, it's xorg
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| 15:57 | <Bruckner_2> ok
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| 15:57 | <alkisg> Linux in general
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| 15:57 | <gbti> it can be dhcp and tftp too
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| 15:57 | <Bruckner_2> what's your opinion on what has happened?
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| 15:57 | <alkisg> But about your server going down, netbooted clients surely can't survive this...
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| 15:57 | <Bruckner_2> we use the main server as dhcp, tells tftp where the ltsp client is
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| 15:58 | but when we bring down both servers and bring main, then ltsp up
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| 15:58 | it always takes dicking around with to get it going
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| 15:58 | <alkisg> Bruckner_2: other than general issues with linux, if you think you have specific issues with ltsp, you should mention them one by one, not generally by "unstable"
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| 15:58 | <Bruckner_2> true
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| 15:59 | it's mostly that WE haven't maintained the ltsp servers, they (way before I got here) were rock solid
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| 15:59 | <alkisg> If by "ltsp up" you mean that tftpd is running (or not), then it's an issue with tftpd
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| 16:00 | <Bruckner_2> yeah
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| 16:00 | <alkisg> Upstart did have a few issues, e.g. with tftpd-hpa...
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| 16:00 | <Bruckner_2> it's nbd that messes up
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| 16:00 | * alkisg is using dnsmasq, which isn't using upstart, and hasn't seen any issues | |
| 16:00 | <alkisg> What's wrong with nbd?
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| 16:00 | I think now you're just mentioning all related services without focusing on one that could indeed be the problem... :)
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| 16:01 | Anyway, if you ever have a specific issue at hand, do mention it
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| 16:01 | <Bruckner_2> there's either port conflicts that I missed, fixed that, nbd becomes messed up and has to be reconfigured to use port 2000 again
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| 16:01 | <alkisg> NBD is using 10809 nowadays
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| 16:01 | It got a specific port number assigned by IANA
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| 16:02 | <Bruckner_2> ok
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| 16:02 | so I shouldn't define a port ?
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| 16:02 | <alkisg> So, the nbd port number isn't a stability issue, nope
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| 16:02 | No
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| 16:02 | And you shouldn't be using inetd either
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| 16:02 | <Bruckner_2> okay
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| 16:03 | <alkisg> I think you do need to update your services configuration...
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| 16:03 | <Bruckner_2> that's the thing, I think that there's been enough changes that our old procedures and configuration documentation is moot
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| 16:04 | <alkisg> Yes, all software advances in all operating systems
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| 16:04 | sysadmins do need to keep up
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| 16:04 | The nbd software got updated to name-based exports at port 10809, so ltsp-config was written to make its configuration easier
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| 16:04 | <Bruckner_2> our team knows this but has lost resources to dedicate to ltsp
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| 16:05 | <alkisg> Well, you can't maintain an installation without a maintainer
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| 16:05 | <Bruckner_2> pretty much my boss wants to phase it out
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| 16:05 | <alkisg> Sure, np there
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| 16:06 | <Bruckner_2> but we've got about 100 thin clients at least out there
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| 16:06 | and they're not going to be happy
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| 16:06 | * alkisg doesn't really like thin clients, he prefers ltsp fat clients (diskless) | |
| 16:07 | <gbti> because its easy to mantain?
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| 16:08 | <alkisg> No, because thin clients don't work well for multimedia applications, and nowadays the web is full of multimedia
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| 16:08 | <Bruckner_2> we've got the issue too, that the thin clients are again, and the ones they buy aren't cheap
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| 16:08 | you're correct
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| 16:09 | the more 'modern' things become, the shittier the thin client experience becomes
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| 16:09 | <alkisg> Yup, but netbooted fat clients work fine though
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| 16:09 | <Bruckner_2> gotcha
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| 16:10 | <alkisg> !4k
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| 16:10 | <ltsp`> 4k: Imagine a 4k display updated at 60 fps. It needs 3840×2160×32×60 bits per second, i.e. 16 gbps. Normal HD displays need 4 gbps. Thin clients will have much trouble getting all that through the local network...
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| 16:10 | <alkisg> Thin clients can't cope with hd video, but fat clients can handle it normally
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| 16:11 | <Bruckner_2> How are you implementing ltsp, how many clients, type of organization?
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| 16:11 | <alkisg> And scrolling a window is kinda like watching a video, it needs a lot of fps too
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| 16:11 | http://www.ltsp.org/stories/widget-map/?location=Greece
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| 16:12 | 1000+ schools, each school has a modest server and about 12 clients. Old clients automatically become thin clients, newer ones are fat.
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| 16:12 | <Bruckner_2> nice
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| 16:14 | what window manager do you use?
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| 16:14 | <alkisg> metacity, part of gnome-flashback
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| 16:14 | <Bruckner_2> I'll look it up
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| 16:15 | I've taking over research of ltsp for the team, I appreciate your input
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| 16:16 | Is the server Ubuntu based?
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| 16:21 | <alkisg> Yes, the servers are ubuntu-based
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| 16:45 | <fiesh> hi, is there any updated version on the gentoo's ltsp install guide? kicktoo-0.4.5.tar.gz and kicktoo-0.5.0.tar.gz were hosted on some dutch server that appears gone for good, there is no real version history on the kicktoo github repository, and the current kicktoo from the github repo seems to have an entirely changed syntax
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| 16:48 | or, similarly, does someone happen to have kicktoo-0.4.5.tar.gz or kicktoo-0.5.0.tar.gz ?
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| 17:06 | <fiesh> (and quickstart's repo seems to be gone, so I can't even give it a try, even though it apparently isn't suggested anymore...)
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| 17:41 | <fiesh> ok, fixing quickstart's ebuild by using its github address makes that work... but it doesn't work with quickstart at all it seems :(
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