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| 17:03 | <baptiste> hi
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| 17:03 | * vagrantc waves | |
| 17:03 | <baptiste> so, my installation failed with the ubuntu 12.04 packages, but it worked with the greek PPA there : https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ltsp-pnp
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| 17:04 | https://launchpad.net/~ts.sch.gr/+archive/ppa
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| 17:26 | wow, it's incredible (fast playback of .avi), but I realize it gave me a fat client
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| 17:30 | <vagrantc> that's what ltsp-pnp is about, yes.
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| 17:30 | you can force it to be a thin client by setting LTSP_FATCLIENT=false in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf
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| 17:31 | <baptiste> do i need rebuilding image after editing this file, or not
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| 17:32 | <vagrantc> no
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| 17:34 | <baptiste> this is very fine, I would default with a thin client and have fat client for e.g. multimedia machines
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| 17:34 | <vagrantc> should be doable.
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| 17:54 | <alkisg> vagrantc: I didn't stay much at home today, I don't think I'll have time to test the ssh stuff after all... sorry! :(
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| 17:54 | <vagrantc> alkisg: hmmm.
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| 17:55 | maybe i could cobble together some sort of infrastructure...
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| 17:56 | <alkisg> To test: params with spaces, with quotes, the xfreerdp -- xxx parameters... they should all work, but testing would be needed...
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| 21:37 | <DJUnreal> evening all
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| 21:37 | how are we?
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| 21:40 | * DJUnreal is hoping someone in here can give him a hand... | |
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| 21:49 | <DJUnreal> hey bobby_C
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| 21:51 | <DJUnreal> Welcome Back bobby_C
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| 22:05 | * DJUnreal looks around | |
| 22:09 | * muppis hides. | |
| 22:11 | <highvoltage> yeah irc / laptops sound ok. /win 27
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| 22:18 | <DJUnreal> hey Parker955
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| 22:18 | <Parker955> hello sir
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| 22:18 | * DJUnreal ponders... do any of you happen to be uber clever? | |
| 22:19 | * DJUnreal is experiencing STUPID ltsp issues lol | |
| 22:19 | <alkisg> 1+1=10 :)
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| 22:19 | !ask
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| 22:19 | <ltsp> alkisg: ask: Don't ask to ask a question, simply ask it, and if someone knows the answer, they'll respond. Please hang around for at least a full hour after asking a question, as not everybody constantly monitors the channel.
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| 22:20 | <DJUnreal> Basically... I've got an LTSP server running Debian that I set up... it works fine if I PXE boot my laptop, and works fine for VMs as far as I know, but I got given some Neoware CA-5 units the other day, which throw an error on boot
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| 22:20 | * DJUnreal tries to catch the full error, hold on | |
| 22:22 | <DJUnreal> the first line is about the CPU - "Your vendor is SiS SiS SiS - unknown, using generic init"
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| 22:22 | then it throws "Your system may be unstable"
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| 22:23 | then finally just before rebooting itself, it throws "Initramfs: unpacking failed: junk in compressed archive"
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| 22:24 | it promptly reboots itself without giving me time to do anything...
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| 22:34 | <alkisg> Sounds strange... unpacking the initramfs happens before the kernel is loaded, so what part throws the messages you mention? pxelinux?
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| 22:34 | <Hyperbyte> alkisg, oh hi
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| 22:34 | I have a question.
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| 22:34 | <alkisg> Or is it using e.g. .nbi?
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| 22:34 | Hi Hyperbyte
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| 22:35 | *before the kernel is executed, sorry
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| 22:35 | <Hyperbyte> If I want to maintain one chroot, for fat -and- thin clients, is that possible with standard LTSP, or do I need ltsp-pnp?
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| 22:35 | <alkisg> Hyperbyte: a single chroot for both fat and thin clients? Or two separate ones?
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| 22:36 | <DJUnreal> alkisg: yeah, it's the first stage... the last message before that is "trying to load pxelinux.cfg/default ok"
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| 22:36 | <Hyperbyte> Basically for the radio station I have some clients which can be fat, and some which are too weak to be fat. I want to be able to provide them with exactly the same OS/desktop (so I don't have to maintain two installs) and switch via an lts.conf setting
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| 22:36 | <alkisg> !quietsplash | echo DJUnreal
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| 22:36 | <ltsp> DJUnreal I do not know about 'quietsplash', but I do know about these similar topics: 'quiet-splash'
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| 22:36 | <Hyperbyte> I believe from all the bits and pieces I've seen here that that's easily doable, but I'd like to know how exactly.
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| 22:36 | <alkisg> !quiet-splash | echo DJUnreal
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| 22:36 | <ltsp> DJUnreal quiet-splash: to disable the splash screen in Ubuntu, in order to see any boot error messages, run `sudo gedit /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default` and remove quiet splash .
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| 22:36 | <alkisg> (about the same in debian too)
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| 22:36 | !fatclients | echo Hyperbyte:
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| 22:36 | <ltsp> Hyperbyte: fatclients: You may find some info about the Ubuntu/LTSP implementation of fat clients at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/FatClients
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| 22:37 | <DJUnreal> err...?
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| 22:37 | <alkisg> Hyperbyte: the page became a little messy after dozens of people edited it, but if you follow it carefully, you should be able to do it
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| 22:37 | <DJUnreal> i'll give that a try alkisg, thanks
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| 22:37 | <alkisg> DJUnreal: pxelinux reads the linux command line for "quiet" and produces less error messages then
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| 22:37 | <Hyperbyte> alkisg, that tells me how to remove my thin client chroot and make it fat
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| 22:37 | But I want -some- clients thin and -some- fat, depending on what I configure for them.
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| 22:38 | <alkisg> Hyperbyte: LTSP_FATCLIENT=False
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| 22:38 | You only need one fat chroot
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| 22:38 | <Hyperbyte> alkisg, right, so I build a fat client chroot
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| 22:38 | And when I set LTSP_FATCLIENT=False it'll be thin?
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| 22:38 | <alkisg> Yup
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| 22:39 | <Hyperbyte> And I can use ltsp-pnp to make a chroot out of the server installation?
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| 22:39 | <alkisg> Yup, but you'll need the greek ppa then
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| 22:39 | !ltsp-pnp
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| 22:39 | <ltsp> alkisg: ltsp-pnp: ltsp-pnp is an alternative (upstream) method to maintain LTSP installations for thin and fat clients that doesn't involve chroots: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ltsp-pnp
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| 22:39 | <DJUnreal> hrmm
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| 22:39 | <Hyperbyte> Well, I'm feeling experimental. Let's do it.
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| 22:39 | <DJUnreal> i'm looking in that file and it's telling me to edit a different file lol
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| 22:39 | <alkisg> DJUnreal: wheezy?
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| 22:39 | <DJUnreal> "This file is regenerated when update-kernels runs. Do not edit, see /etc/ltsp/update-kernels.conf instead"
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| 22:39 | <Hyperbyte> alkisg, thanks. :)
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| 22:40 | <alkisg> np
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| 22:40 | <DJUnreal> alkisg: yep, wheezy/sid combo
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| 22:40 | * DJUnreal edits t'other file and updates it :) | |
| 22:40 | <alkisg> DJUnreal: ignore the warning, since you're only testing
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| 22:40 | So just edit the file directly
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| 22:41 | (I mean, you don't want the change to be permanent, just for a few reboots)
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| 22:41 | <DJUnreal> there's also no entry for quiet splash... although there's the word 'quiet' on each of the individual label sections
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| 22:41 | * Lns would like to know how those sis 200mhz cpus do w/ltsp if DJUnreal gets it going | |
| 22:41 | * DJUnreal assumes that needs removing | |
| 22:41 | <DJUnreal> Lns: i'll let you know
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| 22:41 | <Lns> cool
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| 22:42 | <DJUnreal> Lns: i'm running the server on an old IBM eServer x346 w/ 5GB RAM and a pair of 3.2GB x64 chips in it
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| 22:42 | <alkisg> DJUnreal: yes, ubuntu also uses splash, while debian doesn't, just search/replace all quiets there
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| 22:42 | <DJUnreal> GB? GHz
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| 22:42 | <alkisg> (or just the first one)
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| 22:42 | <DJUnreal> ok, booting now
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| 22:42 | <alkisg> DJUnreal: ahhh, could you pastebin the whole file? Maybe the message comes from ifcpu64 etc
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| 22:42 | !pastebin
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| 22:42 | <ltsp> alkisg: pastebin: the LTSP pastebin is at http://ltsp.pastebin.com. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebin, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. Don't forget to paste the URL of the text here.
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| 22:43 | <DJUnreal> it's showing exactly the same thing
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| 22:43 | hang on
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| 22:43 | gotta work out how to ssh my way into the box
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| 22:43 | <Lns> DJUnreal, did you see http://www.parkytowers.me.uk/thin/neoware/CA5/CA5Linux.shtml ?
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| 22:43 | * DJUnreal has it running as if it's the production environment | |
| 22:43 | <DJUnreal> Lns: yep
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| 22:43 | it's not needed though
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| 22:44 | the CA5 has a true PXE rom onboard
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| 22:44 | you just need to know how to enable it ;)
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| 22:44 | <alkisg> The SiS processor falls into the 'i586' class and I'm not sure how many current Linux builds run on old CPUs.... ==> are you using the 486 kernel?
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| 22:44 | * DJUnreal is using the i386 kernel | |
| 22:44 | * Lns thinks a custom kernel would probably do the trick | |
| 22:45 | <DJUnreal> i was hoping you wouldn't say that :P
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| 22:45 | <Lns> haha
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| 22:45 | yeah i wouldn't want to either
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| 22:45 | <DJUnreal> though i wonder if there's a native i586 arch
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| 22:45 | hrmm
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| 22:45 | from debian.org
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| 22:45 | amd64
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| 22:45 | armel
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| 22:45 | kfreebsd-i386
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| 22:45 | kfreebsd-amd64
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| 22:45 | i386
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| 22:45 | ia64
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| 22:45 | mips
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| 22:45 | mipsel
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| 22:45 | powerpc
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| 22:45 | sparc
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| 22:46 | <DJUnreal> eep! that was meant to be on one line!!!
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| 22:46 | but yeah... those are all the native archs... and i figured i386 was the safest option
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| 22:46 | <alkisg> DJUnreal: pastebin?
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| 22:46 | <DJUnreal> alkisg: FWIW the machine does exactly the same thing
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| 22:46 | * DJUnreal is trying to work that one out now lol | |
| 22:47 | <alkisg> console only? apt-get install pastebinit
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| 22:47 | <DJUnreal> ooh, good call
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| 22:47 | <alkisg> And then pastebinit /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default
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| 22:47 | * DJUnreal was gonna ssh from his desktop to his untangle filter server, then ssh from that to the ltsp server | |
| 22:48 | <Lns> Xubuntu might have a clue, these guys got it going with that (which were having same cpu probs) - http://www.understated.co.uk/2010/ubuntu-on-a-neoware-ca-5-thin-client/
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| 22:49 | * alkisg doesn't see an "i386" kernel in http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=linux-image | |
| 22:49 | <alkisg> Only 486, 686 etc
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| 22:50 | That's what I want to check by looking at pxelinux.cfg/default...
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| 22:50 | <DJUnreal> i imagine it uses 486 then... i did an ltsp-build-client --arch=i386 and it worked...
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| 22:50 | <alkisg> You can see the kernel with ls or by looking at pxelinux.cfg/default
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| 22:50 | I don't know which one is the default for arch=i386
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| 22:51 | <DJUnreal> http://paste.debian.net/179115/
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| 22:52 | <alkisg> kernel vmlinuz-3.2.0-3-486
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| 22:52 | So yeah I think that's the "safest" non-custom one... you might need a custom kernel
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| 22:52 | Anyway, /me waves goodnight
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| 22:52 | * DJUnreal nods | |
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| 22:52 | <DJUnreal> thanks for the help :)
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| 22:53 | Lns: any further suggestions? :P
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| 22:54 | For What It's Worth the clients should handle LTSP just fine running on the server i'm throwing them at...
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| 22:54 | <DJUnreal> especially when i get my next lot of hardware donated to me...
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| 22:55 | * DJUnreal is potentially being donated a fully populated IBM BladeCentre (only HS21's in there, but still) - each machine will have twin quad-core CPUs and 16GB RAM | |
| 22:59 | <DJUnreal> and fully populated, the bladecentres hold 14 blades
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| 23:07 | <DJUnreal> ooh
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| 23:07 | it suggests that using a 2.4 series kernel may work
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| 23:07 | so next ltsp-esque question... How do I build a second LTSP client using an older kernel?
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| 23:27 | <baptiste> I hope display works well on your sis 550
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| 23:29 | <DJUnreal> can't test that until i get it to boot!!!
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| 23:29 | need to get a kernel image that'll boot first... which i suspect is easy if i can work out how to get ltsp-build-client to use a specific kernel
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| 23:30 | <baptiste> I've had the horror of being stuck in 800x600 60Hz, on a CRT monitor. this will give me nightmares, though I'm sure there's a way to fix it. changing from fx5200 to intel graphics allows me to choose 1024x768 or 1280x1024 but still at 60Hz - monitor settings tools pretend I can have "0 Hz"
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| 23:32 | can you create the chroot, then build the kernel image from that chroot - even if it means polluting it with build-essential and headers and stuff
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| 23:32 | <DJUnreal> i'm not sure how to even start with that!
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| 23:37 | i will, however, take on that challenge another time, as it's 00:40 here now lol
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| 23:39 | <shh> your day is just starting ;)
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| 23:39 | <DJUnreal> i wish
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| 23:39 | somehow i think the eServers will upset the neighbours if i run them too late
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| 23:43 | <shh> is there any way to add ipappend 3 automatically to client builds?
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| 23:43 | <vagrantc> edit/create /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/ltsp/update-kernels.conf
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| 23:43 | IPAPPEND=3
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| 23:44 | sudo ltsp-chroot /usr/share/ltsp/update-kernels
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| 23:44 | <shh> thank you. i see ipappend 3 for ubuntu 12.04
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| 23:44 | <vagrantc> sudo ltsp-update-kernels
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| 23:46 | <shh> cool, it's been ok doing it manually, but that saves me some time.
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| 23:46 | <vagrantc> sure
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| 23:54 | <DJUnreal> well, i'll return in a few hours
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| 23:54 | laters people
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