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Channel log from 25 June 2010 (all times are UTC)
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| 03:33 | <ltsp01> does anyone know if apple's mac mini has pxe ?
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| 03:33 | hm.. no
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| 03:58 | <lenne_dk> I've got a kiosk setup with a couple of clients. Is there a way to set different startpages in different clients without having a complete installation for each?
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| 04:28 | <lenne_dk> I've got a kiosk setup with a couple of clients. Is there a way to set different startpages in different clients without having a complete installation for each?
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| 04:28 | <alkisg> Normal kiosk == with firefox running locally?
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| 04:29 | <lenne_dk> I think so :-)
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| 04:29 | I've found where the startup page is set.
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| 04:29 | <alkisg> Where?
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| 04:30 | <lenne_dk> Temporarily forgot... I'll look for it.
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| 04:30 | <alkisg> Do you have a web server running on your ltsp server?
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| 04:31 | <lenne_dk> I do
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| 04:32 | Hmm. I must give each kiosk a fixed ip in dhcp.
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| 04:32 | <alkisg> Then the easiest course would be to point the clients to a web page on your server, and to redirect them based on their IP
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| 04:32 | <lenne_dk> Yeah, I just got the same idea :-)
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| 04:32 | <alkisg> (php redirect)
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| 04:33 | It's also possible to put an RC script on the chroot and change the startup page as the clients boot, but I think the first idea is easier.
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| 04:35 | <lenne_dk> DHCP and webserver is the same machine. Perhaps a lookup from IP to mac would avoid having go give fixed dhcp-adresses. Hmm wonder if possible from php.
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| 04:38 | Anuway, startpage is in /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/*/browserconfig.properties
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| 04:38 | browser.startup.homepage=http://myhomepage
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| 04:38 | browser.startup.homepage_reset=http://myhomepage
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| 04:40 | As this only a convenience-factor, not a security-factor, I could make the enduser change the startup page via another php-script.
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| 04:55 | <zeitsofa> Hello @ all :)
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| 05:02 | <lenne_dk> Hi 'sofa
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| 05:49 | <dobber> my laptop fried
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| 05:49 | :(
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| 07:45 | <chrisjrob> on debian lenny (ltsp-backports) we seem to be unable to mount local cdroms, usb sticks work fine. on the client i am able to mount the cdrom and read the contents fine, but it does not appear in /media on the server. i have read the LTSPManual.pdf, and the Ubuntu DebugLocalDev page and i cannot see anything wrong. any advice?
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| 07:46 | lts.conf has LOCALDEV=True, user is in fuse grop, ltspfs is installed
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| 07:50 | hmm, may be related to sata cdroms
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| 09:37 | <denisesball> hey guys, i have a weird issue when users log out and leave their terms on but shut their monitors off, they come back in the morning and turn the monitor on and the resolution is way scaled down, like 800x600. then they log in and its still wrong, have to log out and back in or reboot
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| 09:37 | one says when he logs in like that it actually gives him a res error and reboots itself
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| 09:51 | <chrisjrob> denisesball: if you don't find a solution, you could add a shutdown crontab task to ensure that all machines are switched off at night - might save some electricity at the same time - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/AutomatedTCShutodwn
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| 09:52 | <chrisjrob> still struggling with my issue from earlier - on debian lenny (ltsp-backports) we are unable to mount local cdroms but usb sticks work fine. on client i am able to manually mount the cd and i am able to use ltspfsmounter to create icons over ssh. but the drive does not automount into /var/run/drives. if i reboot with the cd in the drive, it is mounted into /var/run/drives, and the icons are there when you login. Only issue then is that you ...
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| 09:52 | ... cannot eject the cd. Anyone recognise this issue?
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| 09:54 | <denisesball> chrisjrob: i was thinking about that. i dont know if its an issue that can be fixed, i think its just a CRT thing
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| 09:56 | <chrisjrob> maybe if they wait for the login page to reload before switching off their monitor?
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| 09:56 | <denisesball> that is an excellent point
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| 09:56 | i wonder if they are or not
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| 09:57 | <chrisjrob> maybe xorg cannot read from a switched off crt monitor - no idea tbh
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| 09:57 | <denisesball> is it possible to force just the LDM resolution?
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| 10:00 | <chrisjrob> pretty sure there is, see https://sourceforge.net/projects/ltsp/files/Docs-Admin-Guide/LTSPManual.pdf/download
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| 10:00 | <denisesball> im reading it now, i dont see a setting just for ldm
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| 10:00 | <chrisjrob> seems there is a shutdown command as well, which i never knew about
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| 10:00 | why do you want to do it just for ldm?
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| 10:01 | <denisesball> well i was thinking i would just force ldm but i guess it wouldnt matter since it doesnt detect again until you logout or reboot
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| 10:03 | <chrisjrob> well if you're going to force a resolution, it might as well be the one that you want for all, but i can't say it is a solution that appeals to me
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| 10:03 | i.e. you switch off the auto-detection
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| 10:03 | <denisesball> yeah i dont really want to force resolutions on anyone, i just want to avoid this issue
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| 10:03 | i think the turning the monitor off before the login screen might be the reason, i talked to the tech and hes gonna make sure he waits tonight
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| 10:06 | <alkisg> denisesball: if all the monitors have the same resolution, you could force the resolution by specifying X_HORZSYNC and X_VERTREFRESH in lts.conf
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| 10:06 | <denisesball> yeah i'd rather not though
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| 10:07 | <alkisg> OK, but if you have old crt monitors which do not send EDID when they're shut off, you don't have much options, other than telling the users that the monitors must be on to get the correct resolution.
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| 10:09 | <denisesball> i'm just curious how they are working on the old debian 4 server without the issue. i dont think it used edid at all actually
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| 10:10 | <chrisjrob> i do think that shutting them down is the right thing to do
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| 10:11 | <denisesball> yeah ive been looking into that to save power as well
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| 10:11 | <chrisjrob> i like the look of that new shutdown command in lts.conf
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| 10:11 | <denisesball> they'll bitch about waiting for them to boot when they come in, but i can at least get their managers to back me up
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| 10:12 | chrisjrob: oooo that is cool. does that mean the wiki process isnt necessary anymore?
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| 10:12 | <chrisjrob> looks like it, if i read that LTSPManual.pdf correctly, it was news to me
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| 10:12 | <denisesball> yeah theres no mention of it besides the command definition
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| 10:12 | alkisg: you heard of that one? SHUTDOWN_TIME string, format hh:mm:ss in 24 hour format, default unset
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| 10:26 | <alkisg> if [ -n "$SHUTDOWN_TIME" ] ; then
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| 10:26 | echo $SHUTDOWN_TIME | awk -F : '{print $2" "$1" * * * root test ! -S \"$(ls -1 /var/run/ldm_socket_* | head -1)\" && PATH=\$PATH:/sbin/ poweroff -fp" }' >> $CRON_FILE
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| 10:26 | fi
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| 10:26 | Yup, I believe that it should work without doing the stuff that's in the wiki. Never tried it though, I got cron disabled to save memory.
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| 10:26 | <denisesball> cool!
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| 10:40 | <chrisjrob> alkisg: where did you look that up, i'd be interested to see if it's also supported in debian?
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| 10:41 | <alkisg> chrisjrob: that's in /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/ltsp/ltsp-init-common
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| 10:41 | <chrisjrob> thanks
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| 10:41 | <alkisg> Upstream code is common, so if it's not there on squeze, it'll be on sid etc
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| 10:42 | <chrisjrob> seemingly not there
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| 10:43 | nevermind, i'm sure it'll filter down soon enough and anyway, i've implemented it via the wiki method
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| 10:43 | <vagrantc> what are you looking for?
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| 10:43 | <chrisjrob> the lts.conf option for SHUTDOWN_TIME
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| 10:44 | it's mentioned in LTSPManual.pdf, i hadn't heard of it before
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| 10:45 | <vagrantc> should definitely be in debian squeeze/testing
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| 10:45 | not in debian lenny/stable
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| 10:45 | or lenny-backports on backports.org
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| 10:45 | <vagrantc> should be in lenny-backports, that is
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| 10:46 | <chrisjrob> oh, that's what i'm using, i thought...
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| 10:46 | 5.2.2-1~bpo50+1
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| 10:46 | <vagrantc> ltsp-info
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| 10:46 | should display the versions in the chroot and such
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| 10:46 | <chrisjrob> excellent
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| 10:47 | <vagrantc> it won't install lenny-backports into the chroot unless you told it to
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| 10:47 | <chrisjrob> client is at 5.1.90-1
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| 10:48 | <vagrantc> looks like it's from squeeze
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| 10:48 | but an old version
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| 10:49 | http://wiki.debian.org/LTSP/Howto/Lenny-With-Backports
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| 10:49 | <chrisjrob> my sources.list in the chroot are right
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| 10:49 | lenny + deb http://pkg-ltsp.alioth.debian.org/debian lenny-backports mai
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| 10:49 | <vagrantc> ah.
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| 10:49 | that's old
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| 10:49 | <chrisjrob> oh
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| 10:50 | <vagrantc> newer packages are now at backports.org
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| 10:50 | <chrisjrob> thanks vagrantc
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| 10:50 | <vagrantc> see the URL i posted
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| 10:50 | <chrisjrob> maybe that is also the problem i've just posted to the ml
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| 10:50 | <vagrantc> i should probably kill the old stuff
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| 10:50 | i should probably kill the old ones... so people don't keep using it
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| 10:51 | <chrisjrob> indeed
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| 10:51 | and i thought i was doing the right thing :(
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| 10:52 | <vagrantc> it *was* the right thing ... about 5 months ago
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| 10:53 | <chrisjrob> i'm SO last season
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| 10:53 | <vagrantc> heh
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| 10:53 | <chrisjrob> hmm, nothing newer coming down
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| 10:53 | <vagrantc> if it's not too much hassle, might be best to rebuild your chroot with the new instructions.
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| 10:57 | <chrisjrob> well i have told it to install from lenny-backports and it is bringing down newer packages, so we'll see how i get on
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| 10:57 | thanks vagrantc
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| 10:57 | <vagrantc> glad to be of help
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| 11:05 | <chrisjrob> vagrantc: yay! fixed my ml query as well
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| 11:06 | <vagrantc> godo good
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| 11:06 | heh
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| 11:18 | <sln> hi guys
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| 11:19 | <sln> can i somehow disable the ldm-dialog window which comes up with the actual thunclient parameters after boot?
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| 11:19 | i mean IP address, MAC address, whatever with an OK button
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| 11:24 | <alkisg> You see that after logging in without actually running it manually?
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| 13:52 | <sln> fckin net
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| 13:52 | so. can i somehow disable the status screen which appears before LDM login screen and have to hit enter on it?
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| 13:53 | <alkisg> Which distro is that?
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| 13:55 | * vagrantc doesn't get any status screen | |
| 14:02 | <sln> hmm
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| 14:02 | weird
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| 14:03 | <vagrantc> !release
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| 14:03 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: "release" :: please mention the linux distro and release you're using :)
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| 14:03 | <vagrantc> sln: ^^
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| 14:03 | <sln> ah
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| 14:03 | ubuntu ltsp cluster
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| 14:05 | i mean like this info screen: http://www.arkki.info/howto/Wiki/LTSP-Cluster/LTSP-ClusterControlCenter-05.png
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| 14:08 | hm..
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| 14:17 | <simpli> hi guys,
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| 14:17 | anyone can help my ltsp client cups permission denied
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| 14:17 | cups could not start
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| 14:41 | <alkisg> simpli: which distro is that? I don't have cups installed in my thin chroot in ubuntu.
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| 15:59 | <simpli> eh, hi alkisg
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| 15:59 | its me sean74
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| 16:00 | i lost the script you gave me the other day. rcfile_01=???? in lts.conf and a #!/bin/bash .... something like that
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| 16:22 | <Lns> hehe, descriptive! ;)
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| 16:58 | <Yobi> Hey, i have a question about installing the i386 vs x86-64 on my ltsp server. So i have to use the 32bit version, if i am using 32 bit client pcs?
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| 16:59 | <alkisg> No, you can use the 64bit version and then create a 32bit chroot with `ltsp-build-client -a i386`
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| 17:03 | <Yobi> ok, thank you for the help. i was originally running an i686 server, but i386 and x86_64 would not load.
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| 17:04 | is there a way to build x86_64 client on an i686 server?
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| 17:06 | and will the clients auto select the version they need, or will all clients run the i386 version?
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| 17:15 | <Yobi> is anyone there?
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| 17:15 | here*
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| 17:17 | <Appiah> well
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| 17:18 | ltsp-build-client --arch=x86_64
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| 17:18 | <Yobi> i'm assuming i686 should run on all p2-4 clients, so u should just run ltsp-build-client -a i686
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| 17:19 | i c
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| 17:19 | <Appiah> or maybe there isnt a = between
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| 17:19 | just try or check manual
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| 17:19 | <Yobi> ok. i'll check. thanks both of you. i'll shut up now ;)
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| 17:25 | <cgrossko> Anyone using Ubuntu 10.04 with LTSP?
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| 17:25 | I'm having an issue with LDM on a brand new install, basically all you see is a splash screen, you can click around and eventually get something to show up...any ideas?
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| 17:26 | <alkisg> Yobi, sorry I wasn't looking at the channel. ltsp-build-client --extra-help shows a lot of stuff there, --arch amd64 might be what you want.
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| 17:27 | cgrossko: you mean the plymouth splash screen? Or ldm, the login screen where you enter your username/password?
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| 17:27 | <cgrossko> LDM login screen
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| 17:27 | the username/password box are missing as well as the Preferences button in the bottom left hand corner
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| 17:27 | <alkisg> Ah. Did you install some weird ldm version? E.g. self-compiled?
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| 17:28 | <cgrossko> no, this is a fresh install also
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| 17:28 | <alkisg> And what do you mean with "and eventually get something to show up" ?
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| 17:28 | Do you see something eventually, or just the ldm background?
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| 17:29 | <cgrossko> basically I can click where I know the preferences button is (I cannot see I just click around) and then preferences show up, as well as the login box (with no text around it).
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| 17:29 | <alkisg> How much RAM does your client have?
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| 17:29 | <cgrossko> 1 gig
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| 17:30 | <alkisg> Hmmm that's weird. Can you try putting XSERVER=vesa in lts.conf?
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| 17:30 | <cgrossko> sure
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| 17:32 | <Ynnek> hi all ;-)
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| 17:34 | I have a problem with a 3com card (no ISA)... The pxe load perfect, but DHCP not assign an IP.
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| 17:34 | <cgrossko> After reboot I don't get the LDM screen just process:231): GLib-WARNING **: getpwuid_r(): failed due to unknown user id (0)
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| 17:35 | <alkisg> cgrossko: what graphics card is that on the client?
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| 17:35 | <cgrossko> not sure its an HP T5735
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| 17:36 | <alkisg> Can you remove the xserver=vesa line and try with another client, to make sure it's a client problem?
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| 17:36 | (and not a bad chroot etc)
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| 17:36 | Ynnek: distro/version?
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| 17:37 | <cgrossko> I tried CONFIGURE_X=True and it seems to be coming up now. It's weird it worked fine the first boot though
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| 17:37 | <alkisg> CONFIGURE_X shouldn't do anything on 10.04
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| 17:37 | It's automatically set to true appropriately
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| 17:37 | <Ynnek> alkisg: ¿how are you?
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| 17:37 | <alkisg> I'm fine, thank you
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| 17:37 | <Ynnek> alkisg: ubuntu 8.04
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| 17:38 | <cgrossko> alkisg, your right, this time it booted goofy again
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| 17:39 | <Yobi> i can see you're busy but i got 1 more question. i ran the i386 build, but the client is still trying to boot x86_64. should i purge chroot or something to remove the x86_64, and rebuild the i386
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| 17:39 | <alkisg> Yobi: no, you need to change your dhcpd.conf
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| 17:39 | Don't worry about asking questions, go ahead
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| 17:40 | Ynnek: can you try putting this new line at the end of /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default ?
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| 17:40 | ipappend 3
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| 17:40 | (in a new line)
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| 17:40 | Reboot the client and see if it boots.
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| 17:40 | <Ynnek> alkisg: just ipappend 3
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| 17:40 | ?
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| 17:40 | <alkisg> Yes, it'll bypass dhcp completely (temporarily)
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| 17:42 | <Ynnek> alkisg: Ok...
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| 17:42 | let me try
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| 17:43 | idem
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| 17:45 | <alkisg> So it isn't a dhcp problem
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| 17:45 | Maybe it's a module problem. Did that ever work? Does it work if you e.g. boot it with a live cd or usb or something?
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| 17:46 | <Ynnek> alkisg: No, in fact, i have others thin clients (whit other cards) and working fine.
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| 17:47 | <alkisg> So maybe the module is missing for that card. You'd need to find out the correct module for that card and insert it to the chroot kernel.
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| 17:47 | <Ynnek> alkisg: Well, i can try with a floppy linux live...
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| 17:47 | <alkisg> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/AddingModules
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| 17:47 | <cgrossko> alkisg, it's just the HP T5735. A Wyse VX0 works fine
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| 17:48 | <alkisg> cgrossko: ok, for starters, see which card is that. Put SCREEN_07=shell in lts.conf, and run lspci -nn | grep VGA on that prompt
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| 17:50 | <cgrossko> ATI Technologies Inc RS690M [Radeon X1200 Series]
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| 17:51 | <alkisg> I've no idea about ati, but do try adding "nomodeset" as a kernel parameter in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default (right next to quiet splash)
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| 17:51 | (remove whatever changes you made to lts.conf)
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| 17:58 | <Yobi> thanks for the help. i changed the dhcpd.conf, and now the P4 clients are working. ima go see if the P3-P2s in the other room are working too...
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| 17:58 | <cgrossko> Thanks...I'll work on it monday.
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| 18:00 | <Yobi> last question. the P3-P2 systems i have are just gonna be kiosk type systems for firefox. do i need to create seperate users for each of them, or can they all log 1 profile at the same time
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| 18:04 | <alkisg> Yobi: which distro/version?
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| 18:07 | <Yobi> um 10.04
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| 18:07 | i did the quick install from the 64bit alternative cd
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| 18:10 | <alkisg> No you don't need to create a user
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| 18:10 | Kiosk "users" are automatically created on boot
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| 18:11 | <Yobi> so how do i log in as a Kiosk user?
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| 18:12 | nevermind. i figured it out
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| 18:29 | <Ynnek> alkisg: I tested the network card with a small linux distribution and it's work.
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| 18:29 | <alkisg> Ok, what module is it using?
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| 18:29 | <Ynnek> it works*
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| 18:30 | 3c59x
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| 18:31 | is a 3Com 3c905B Cyclone
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| 18:32 | <alkisg> mkdir /tmp/initrd
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| 18:32 | cd /tmp/initd
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| 18:32 | *cd /tmp/initrd
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| 18:32 | cp /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/initrd.img .
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| 18:32 | gunzip -c initrd.img | cpio -i -d -H newc --no-absolute-filenames
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| 18:32 | find . -name 3c59x.ko
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| 18:32 | Is it there?
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| 18:33 | <Ynnek> let me see..
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| 18:34 | <Ynnek> ./lib/modules/2.6.24-16-generic/kernel/drivers/net/3c59x.ko
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| 18:36 | <alkisg> OK, so the module is there. I don't know what the problem might be then.
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| 18:36 | <Ynnek> alkisg: yes, is crazy.
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| 18:38 | <Yobi> is there a small version of linux that i might be able to use to log into the LTSP server? similar to RDP connections on Windows?
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| 18:38 | i think i saw ltsp client in a repository somewhere... just dont remember
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| 18:39 | <alkisg> You mean over WAN?
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| 18:39 | I.e. why don't you just boot from the ltsp server?
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| 18:41 | <Yobi> a couple of the systems dont have a pxe option in the bios. so i was wondering if there was a work around...
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| 18:41 | <alkisg> You can use gpxe for that
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| 18:42 | <alkisg> And boot either from a cd, a floppy, a usb stick, or a hard disk
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| 18:42 | !gpxe
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| 18:42 | <ltspbot> alkisg: "gpxe" :: the successor to etherboot (http://etherboot.org). To download bootable floppy, cd, usb, kernel etc images, visit http://rom-o-matic.net/
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| 18:46 | <Yobi> thanks for the help once again... you saved me a lot of research time. i stayed here about 2 hours longer than expected, so i'll test that out tomorrow, lol
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