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Channel log from 17 August 2007 (all times are UTC)
| 00:00 | <NefariousAryq> Hey folks, anyone up at this time of night? Have a problem. Running Slack 12 and LTSP 4.2, everything is great except for one hiccup. If a thin client is up and running, and its turned off... then turned back on, the next time it boots up instead of it loading my stuff in the .xsession file, I get just the login screen. I'm using KDM, and auto-logins. The .xsession-errors file in the users home account shows lots of instances o
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| 00:00 | Any thoughts?
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| 00:33 | <cyrenity> hi all
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| 00:34 | how i define multiple ranges in dhcp
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| 00:35 | <vagrantc> like, you have two network cards ... or ?
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| 00:36 | <cyrenity> range 192.168.1.61 192.168.1.157; range 192.168.1.159 192.168.1.230;
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| 00:36 | no i have one network card
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| 00:36 | <vagrantc> haven't tried that.
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| 00:36 | main question is ... why? :)
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| 00:38 | cyrenity: have you tried specifying it on two separate lines ?
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| 00:39 | <cyrenity> yes
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| 00:40 | well unfortunately i have defined on windows machine a staic ip 192.168.1.158
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| 00:40 | so i want dhcp not to assign to aonthor machine
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| 00:40 | <vagrantc> and there's no way of changing that ?
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| 00:41 | other question is how many DHCP leases you'll need at a given moment
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| 00:42 | as 61-157 is nearly 100 leases.
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| 00:42 | <cyrenity> yes
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| 00:42 | well my network is growing
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| 00:43 | am out of ips this time
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| 00:43 | will chgane to A class soon
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| 00:45 | is there any prb in doing that
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| 00:47 | plz this is a mess
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| 00:51 | <vagrantc> if you're running out of IP addresses, you'll probably have to change networking configuration anyways ... so do that and don't assign a static address in the middle of a block in the future
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| 00:52 | not much to be done otherwise
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| 00:54 | <cyrenity> what to do now
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| 00:55 | hum
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| 00:59 | <vagrantc> well, in the short term, i'd give your windows box a different static IP and then set it to the full range that you can spare
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| 01:14 | <cyrenity> but see guys here give haphazard static ips for windows which collides with dhcp rangs
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| 01:14 | and as wht i think when windows machine are off these ips are assigned to other machines through dhcp
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| 01:15 | hay here they define those windoes static ips are defines in dhcp for that host to be static but its also in dhcp range
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| 01:15 | is this make again a mess or?
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| 01:16 | <vagrantc> so, control the windows ip addresses through dhcp
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| 01:17 | you can give static ips via dhcp
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| 01:18 | and if the problem is that people just give their boxes random ip addresses, well, you can't solve that technially anyway- it's a social problem of getting people to behave properly.
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| 01:19 | if you try to solve that technically, you'll have to set up some sort of firewalling of unknown machines not registered with DHCP
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| 01:21 | <cyrenity> how am using shorewall here
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| 01:21 | well mac binding we can try on
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| 01:21 | http://pastebin.com/m227d654f
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| 01:21 | see my dhcp its messed up
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| 01:21 | see how statis ips are defines
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| 01:21 | <vagrantc> get help from shorewall
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| 01:21 | this isn't really an LTSP issue at this point
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| 01:22 | <cyrenity> sure
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| 01:22 | i know
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| 01:30 | did u see my dhcp file
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| 01:49 | <cyrenity> hey
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| 01:49 | vagrant
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| 01:49 | i think in my network there are 2 dhcp serevrs
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| 01:49 | how i check taht
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| 01:49 | any idea?
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| 01:50 | <cyrenity> u there vagrantc?
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| 01:50 | hey new prn
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| 01:50 | prb i am using ubuntu dapper with l;tsp 4.2
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| 01:50 | when i start my thiun client it g stuks in nfs :192.168.1.251 not responding
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| 01:50 | any idea?
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| 04:51 | <exodos> I'm using ubuntu with sabayon and I had to change one line in /etc/X11/Xsession.d/60sabayon_apply to make remote logging working.
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| 04:52 | I've changed '/usr/sbin/sabayon-apply' to '/usr/sbin/sabayon-apply || true' cause /usr/sbin/sabayon-apply returns 1 if current user don't have profile specified
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| 04:52 | shouldn't it be corrected in sabayon package?
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| 04:52 | <ogra> http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=421924
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| 04:53 | its an upstream bug
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| 04:54 | sadly sabayon isnt very well maintained atm
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| 04:54 | (upstream i mean)
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| 04:55 | <exodos> m'kay, thx for link
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| 04:56 | <ogra> its definately locale related
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| 04:56 | you are using dutch i suppose
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| 04:57 | <exodos> but i'm not so sure it's the same bug
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| 04:57 | <ogra> i wonder if it works if you put LANG=C into /etc/X11/Xsession.d/60sabayon_apply
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| 04:57 | <exodos> as sabayon do not crash, but just exits with return value 1 which cuse whole Xsession script to exit as set -e i set at the beggining
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| 04:58 | *beginning :)
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| 04:58 | <ogra> well, obviously the return value is always 1 if /usr/sbin/sabayon-apply is broken
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| 05:03 | <schregge> hello
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| 05:03 | <ogra> but your || true is a good workaround for the start, i might add it if the bug doesnt get fixed upstream before gutsy
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| 05:04 | <exodos> It's not broken. For me its working well: when I assign some sabayon profile to my user and run /usr/sbin/sabayon-apply then the retunr value is 0. When no profile is assigned to my user and i run /usr/sbin/sabayon-apply it prints "No profile for user 'user' found", and the return value is 1. This stops whole Xsession cause set -e.
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| 05:04 | * ogra has to go afk for a bit ... | |
| 05:04 | <ogra> exodos, oh, ok, thats a trivial one ...
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| 05:05 | so you mean the set -e should just go
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| 05:05 | <exodos> you mean go away?
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| 05:05 | <schregge> i have a problem with ltsp5 and ubuntu.... when i start the client, it says SCREEN_SCRIPT: gdm not found
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| 05:05 | <ogra> exodos, yes
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| 05:06 | schregge, how did you install and which version is that ?
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| 05:06 | <schregge> i also tried rdesktop, same error
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| 05:06 | <ogra> !ubuntu
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| 05:06 | <ltspbot> ogra: "ubuntu" is a Debian based GNU/Linux distrubution that includes a Ubuntu specific version of LTSP. It can be found at http://www.ubuntulinux.org. to install ltsp on ubuntu: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall
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| 05:06 | <schregge> i installed it with apt-get installl (Ubuntu Feisty, LTSP5)
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| 05:06 | <ogra> if you follwed the quick install guide all should work out of the box
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| 05:06 | <exodos> no, I think set -e is ok. You just have to be sure that all non-fatal errors won't stop Xsession
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| 05:07 | <ogra> exodos, right
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| 05:07 | <schregge> hmmm, i will try a reinstall
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| 05:08 | <ogra> schregge, note that you should do it on a desktop install, ltsp needs a desktop to log in to on the server
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| 05:08 | so on an ubuntu-server install you need to get the ubuntu-desktop package as well
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| 05:09 | <schregge> yeah, i know... but i want to use a direct rdesktop login to win2k TS
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| 05:09 | but when i use screen_01=rdesktop, the same error appears
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| 05:12 | <ogra> schregge, hmm, we recently added a new rdesktop screen script to gutsy ... might work in feisty as well
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| 05:12 | http://codebrowse.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/ltsp/gutsy-ltsp/annotate/ogra%40ubuntu.com-20070801113259-ckf22muibkwvekw6?start_revid=ogra%40ubuntu.com-20070813180935-uuhrndu27oe8t19t&file_id=rdesktop-20070720192731-2p139o5ehjlzm29t-1
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| 05:13 | replace /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/lib/ltsp/screen.d/rdesktop with the above and try again
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| 05:13 | (therew is documentation at the top of the script)
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| 05:13 | <schregge> ok, thanks
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| 05:14 | <ogra> and: sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 apt-get install rdesktop
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| 05:14 | might help as well :)
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| 05:14 | * ogra really has to go afk now ... bbl | |
| 05:14 | <schregge> :-), i know
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| 05:15 | anothe question, is it true that LTSP5 in Ubuntu 7.04 is much slower than 4.2?
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| 05:16 | <schregge> i have an ltsp server with an old ubuntu version running, and its much faster than LTSP5... the thinclients are pretty slow (200-300 Mhz)
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| 05:21 | <exodos> schregge: ltsp5 with ldm LDM_DIRECTX patch can be as fast as ltsp4.2
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| 05:22 | <exodos> schregge: check http://www.mail-archive.com/ltsp-discuss@lists.sourceforge.net/msg31484.html
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| 05:22 | <exodos> :/
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| 05:22 | schregge: check http://www.mail-archive.com/ltsp-discuss@lists.sourceforge.net/msg31484.html
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| 05:22 | <schregge> ok
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| 05:23 | i will try it
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| 05:23 | but the problem is the boottime
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| 05:24 | it takes twice as long as 4.2
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| 05:26 | <exodos> to speedup bootup time you can try ltsp5 from gutsy. It is much faster then feisty
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| 05:26 | <schregge> well, i need a pretty stable version
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| 05:32 | <schregge> is there a howto to install the gutsy ltsp on feisty?
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| 05:33 | <Jenna> schregge, : fiesty comes pre-installed with ltsp (edubuntu)
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| 05:34 | <exodos> schregge: I dont think its can be done easily
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| 05:34 | <schregge> damn...same error... SCREEN_SCRIPT: rdesktop not found!
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| 05:35 | ok, my fault :-)
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| 05:35 | <Jenna> verbose install it if u must
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| 05:35 | <schregge> the screen-script was not executable
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| 05:37 | <Jenna> bw what is ur thin clients specification ?
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| 05:39 | <schregge> 233 Mhz, 4 MB graphic card
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| 05:39 | they run fine on ltsp4.2
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| 05:40 | but now.... something is wrong.... they are very slow during bootup.... the syslog daemon gets the messages VERY late.... (around a minute)....
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| 05:46 | <Jenna> schregge, did u read the minimum client specifications on their site . i.e with ubuntu
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| 05:47 | If memory serves me correct its 700-800 Mhz proc with 128-256 Mb memory on the client
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| 05:47 | somebody correct me if Im wrong
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| 05:48 | schregge, I havent tried the ltsp 5 thing but 4.2 performs well with pre-historic h/w .
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| 05:50 | <schregge> hmm, i am running LTSP4.2 with the ibm N2800 very well
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| 05:50 | they have 128 MB memory and 233 Mhz proc
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| 05:50 | but on Ltsp5, they are not working
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| 05:51 | (also a quite new thin client, (800 Mhz Eden) is very slow on boot-time)
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| 05:52 | i think aomething messed up on the server...
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| 05:54 | but its a fresh feisty and ltsp installation
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| 05:54 | <Jenna> hmm. could be . I run clients with 64 mb memory. anything more seem waste of money
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| 05:56 | <schregge> but i have no idea whats the problem is..... 4 minutes ago, the clients finished booting, but i still get syslog messages from the bootprocess of the client
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| 05:57 | (and they are coming very slow.... one message in 2 seconds....
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| 05:58 | <Jenna> stupid I know but check with network cables
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| 06:00 | <schregge> they are ok... i tried the same environment with ltsp4.2 and it works fine
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| 06:00 | (with ltsp4.2)
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| 06:02 | <K_O-Gnom> my sound ouput is a little silent is there a way to increase volume? (the gnome mixer say he didn't find a device ..
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| 06:06 | <exodos> K_O-Gnom: if you're using pulseaudio try to change it with pavucontrol command
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| 06:09 | <schregge> where can i find the X client logfiles
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| 06:10 | <exodos> schregge: $HOME/.xsession-errors
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| 06:16 | <schregge> that is very strange...
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| 06:17 | i just switched the client off, but the server is printing syslog events from the client....
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| 06:17 | <Jenna> schregge, in the debug console. run alsamixer or aumixer
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| 06:20 | <K_O-Gnom> exodos: im using esd cause im 4.2 user ..
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| 06:20 | <cliebow> as jackie Chan says "Howdieee Partner"
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| 08:27 | <exodos> is it possible to provide custom xorg.conf in latest ltsp5 from gutsy?
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| 09:03 | <exodos> ogra: ping
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| 12:49 | <K_O-Gnom> is ther a way to increase the resolution on the terminal? i only have 1024*768 and want 1280*1024
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| 13:29 | <akn> hello all, I just installed Edubuntu 7.04 and was impressed with how well LTSP 5.0 worked out of the box! After testing it a while in the default configuration, I added some apps and did some configuring (pessulus, sabayon, etc). Now the clients' gdm apparently resets immediately after login (monitor signal breaks, login screen returns). Permissions on /tmp are 1777 (from troubleshooting page in wiki). Any ideas? Thanks
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| 13:34 | <whiprush_> I had this problem
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| 13:34 | it's sabayon
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| 13:35 | <akn> great. what did you do?
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| 13:35 | <whiprush_> I removed it.
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| 13:35 | I am pretty sure it's fixed upstream now.
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| 13:35 | <akn> simple enough
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| 13:36 | <whiprush_> but I'm still on dapper so I left sabayon removed
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| 13:37 | <akn> solved! I owe you a big thanks, whiprush!
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| 13:38 | gnome has the lead in a lot of ways, but kde's kiosk and admin tools were a big help.
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| 13:45 | <whiprush_> akn: yeah I had a panic attack when that was happening to me
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| 14:37 | <monteslu> anyone here seen an error on edubuntu like ¨unable to copy userś xauthorization file¨ while trying to run something with gksudo?
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| 15:12 | <ByPasS> gadi : I finally decided to switch from debian to ubuntu, yesterday u suggested to turn of usplash/bootsplash... I didnt had to do it with debian but now with ubuntu I do have one and it seems to fail, how can I turn it off again ?
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| 15:13 | <Gadi> go to: /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default
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| 15:13 | and remove the word "splash"
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| 15:14 | <ByPasS> umm i did that and it still have the ubuntu splash
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| 15:14 | im so unlucky lol
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| 15:15 | oh
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| 15:15 | i went in /opt/ltsp/i386/boot/pxeconfig.cfg/default
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| 15:20 | <ByPasS> gadi : thanks that worked
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| 15:20 | gadi : and you know what :)
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| 15:20 | <Gadi> what?
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| 15:20 | resolution's good?
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| 15:20 | <ByPasS> gadi : yup without xserver = amd
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| 15:20 | gadi : and the display is ok too !
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| 15:21 | <Gadi> well, without it, it will use vesa
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| 15:21 | which is slow
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| 15:21 | (if ur on feisty)
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| 15:21 | <ByPasS> gadi : no garbage like in ubuntu tho
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| 15:21 | yea 7.04
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| 15:21 | I may try NSC
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| 15:21 | it supposed to be the one for geode dx2
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| 15:21 | <Gadi> yeah, if you want it to use the real server, you need to add universe repo in the chroot
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| 15:21 | <ByPasS> but it was failling totally on debian yesterday
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| 15:21 | <Gadi> and then apt-get it
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| 15:21 | and use xserver=
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| 15:26 | <ByPasS> Ill give nsc / amd both a try and I'll let you know
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| 15:28 | <Gadi> ok - gotta run - have a good one
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| 15:56 | <ibt> i'm a little confused about what's going on here.. the thinclient pulls the kernel from the tftp server and boots .. then it sends out a dhcp request (Broadcast) and when the dhcp server replies, it sends back an icmp saying udp port 68 is unavailable
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| 15:58 | <ibt> any ideas?
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| 16:36 | <dkennel> I'm working on integrating LTSP v 5 into RHEL 4 for use by organization (hopefully we'll be able to share the work with RH).
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| 16:36 | I'm working with the initramfs and comparing the stock RH to the Ubuntu version.
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| 16:37 | I see that Ubuntu has klibc in their initramfs while RH does not. Is this required to get the clients booted?
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| 17:06 | <monteslu> dkennel, why rhel 4 over 5 ?
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| 17:06 | doh
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| 18:14 | <Mineque> hello
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| 18:14 | one question
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| 18:14 | <Mineque> would webcam work in ltsp4.2?
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| 18:14 | on terminal
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| 18:45 | <staffencasa> Could someone tell me what I need to do to get xscreensaver to work if I build my ltsp client with --kiosk? If I don't use the --kiosk, it works fine, but I would like to use the --kiosk plugin
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| 19:47 | <fetss> hi everyone
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| 19:54 | <fetss> hi :-)
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