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Channel log from 8 January 2009 (all times are UTC)
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| 00:16 | <Ryan52> 0.o
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| 00:16 | * Ryan52 tries to figure out how the code vagrantc just pushed works | |
| 00:16 | <Ryan52> + myGroups=$(echo ${myGroups},${myGroups1} | sed -e 's/^,//g' -e 's/,$,,g'
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| 00:16 | that looks wrong.
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| 00:17 | no closing ")"
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| 00:18 | and the second part of the sed errors..
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| 02:45 | <alkisg> [non-ltsp-related, just need an experienced opinion]: I reboot my laptop e.g. 5 times per day. The default max-mount-counts (from tune2fs -c) is e.g. 25, so fsck runs about once every 5 days. Should I increase that, and to what number? (e.g. every 150 mounts=about once per month?)
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| 03:00 | <cyberorg> alkisg, i would disable it permanently and just let it run when there is abrupt shutdown
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| 03:04 | <alkisg> cyberorg: wow, thanks! I've put a grub entry for manual fsck checking, so I'll disable it and use that when I open the laptop and have the time to wait for it... :)
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| 04:20 | <alkisg> !lts.conf
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| 04:20 | <ltspbot> alkisg: "lts.conf" is http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LtsConf
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| 04:22 | <alkisg> Is CONFIGURE_X needed for the new XRANDR_* lts.conf options?
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| 04:27 | <alkisg> Hm... xrandr doesn't support setting color depth = 16 bit... :(
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| 05:11 | <edyBUNTU> Good morning!
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| 06:06 | <xet7> Moi :) Täällä Valamossa ollaan :)
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| 06:09 | <HaXeri> Kansainvälinen kanava -> #ltsp-paja
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| 07:29 | <jackli> hi,everybody.
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| 07:31 | Hi,alkisg
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| 07:31 | <alkisg> Hey jackli, what's up?
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| 07:32 | <jackli> alkisg:hehe.
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| 07:33 | I run /etc/init.d/dhcp3-server manually everytime.what's simplest way to let it run automatically?
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| 07:33 | rc.local or add the script to session or others?
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| 07:34 | <alkisg> Goto menu system => administration => services and see if it's enabled
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| 07:35 | <jackli> alkisg:ok,thank you.I'll check it.
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| 07:36 | alkisg:In my ubuntu 8.10 box,It cannot save the ethernet settings.do you have this question?
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| 07:36 | I use netmanager 0.7.
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| 07:38 | <alkisg> jackli: there were some known problems with networkmanager not saving the configuration, is this the ltsp server? If so, and it has a static IP, the simplest thing would be to uninstall nm...
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| 07:39 | <jackli> alkisg:Yes,it is in ltsp server.
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| 07:39 | <alkisg> So you don't really need the network manager, do you?
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| 07:40 | You could just put you static ip in /etc/network/interfaces...
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| 07:40 | <jackli> alkisg:yes,but I found networkmanager is so simple to set the ip address.
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| 07:41 | <alkisg> OK, look here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/284298
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| 07:42 | So you should just use a newer version, which is not available in the standard repositories yet, so you should use a ppa.
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| 07:43 | <jackli> alkisg:ok.
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| 07:43 | alkisg:I'd like to know one of your ltsp server supports how many clients?
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| 07:43 | I decide to buy a pc and make it as ltsp server.
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| 07:43 | <alkisg> It depends on the usage. For OpenOffice, one simple server could support many dozens of clients (e.g. 50), but for multimedia applications it could even be less than 10.
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| 07:44 | How many clients do you have, and what usage do you expect?
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| 07:44 | <jackli> 30
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| 07:45 | <alkisg> And typical usage? Any multimedia applications, like flash?
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| 07:45 | <jackli> After I boot 10 clients,the speed is so slow.
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| 07:45 | <alkisg> Do you have gigabit networking? Is your network max'ed out? Or your CPU?
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| 07:45 | <jackli> yes,students use firefox.
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| 07:46 | I installed the ubuntu box in VMware workstation.
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| 07:46 | <alkisg> E.g. if 10 students go to yourtube, you'll have CPU problems, flash is very badly implemented in linux
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| 07:47 | Well, try "iptraf" or "iftop" to monitor the network bandwidth, "top" to monitor the CPU/RAM usage etc. and to find out which is your bottleneck.
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| 07:47 | Did you set LDM_DIRECTX=True in lts.conf?
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| 07:48 | <jackli> alkisg:I cannot find the lts.conf?
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| 07:48 | <alkisg> You need to create one.
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| 07:48 | !lts.conf
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| 07:48 | <ltspbot> alkisg: "lts.conf" is http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LtsConf
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| 07:49 | <jackli> Thank you,alkisg and ltspbot.
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| 07:49 | <alkisg> jackli: ltspbot is a program, not a person.
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| 07:49 | <jackli> alkisg:hehe.
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| 07:50 | <jackli> alkisg:talk with you,I learn so much,thank you very much.
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| 07:50 | <alkisg> You're welcome, good luck!
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| 07:50 | <cliebow> jackli, you will get "birdy overload" if you listen to much
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| 07:51 | <alkisg> cliebow: some help for non-native english speakers? What is "birdy overload"?!!!
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| 07:52 | <jackli> cliebow:Maybe you are right,but I dont think so.because I also known much about the linux.
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| 07:52 | cliebow:just not much about ltsp and italc.
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| 07:54 | cliebow:I did the tests and read some materials on internet.and then communicate with dear friends.
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| 07:57 | cliebow:hehe,if you'd like to help others,you'll be happy and kind.
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| 07:59 | <_UsUrPeR_> 'morning all
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| 08:06 | <cliebow> jackli i was just thinking..there is so much information here you might get overwhelmed..but you sound pretty savvy!
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| 08:08 | <jackli> cliebow:I see your opnion.but I cannot agree with you.
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| 08:09 | cliebow:Everyone can express himself freely,and everyone can help others freely.
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| 08:09 | <cliebow> 8~)
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| 08:10 | <jackli> cliebow:don't you think so?
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| 08:11 | and I dont know what you mean.so I copy your 8~)
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| 08:18 | <Ahmuck> alkisg: birdy overload = information overload
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| 08:18 | <alkisg> Ahmuck: ah, ok, couldn't find it in google, thanks
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| 08:25 | <cliebow> guess no one else has parrots..give em too much stimulation they go berserk..therefore "birdy overload"
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| 08:25 | <Guest62686> Hi
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| 08:27 | Does someone here know how ldm/ltspfs creates the socket /var/run/ldm_socket... to enable usb device to be mounted ?
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| 08:29 | <Gadi> Guest62686: it happens upon login through ldm
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| 08:29 | it runs: ssh -Y -M -S $LDM_SOCKET ....
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| 08:30 | <alkisg> Gadi: hi, two questions, please? (1) is CONFIGURE_X needed for all those new XRANDR* lts.conf entries? and (2) Can I set the color depth to 16 bit with xrandr?
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| 08:32 | <Gadi> 1. No (in fact, CONFIGURE_X should be false, I believe
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| 08:32 | hmm...
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| 08:32 | wait, which code?
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| 08:32 | latest ltsp-trunk?
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| 08:32 | <alkisg> Yeap...
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| 08:32 | <Gadi> lemme look
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| 08:32 | <alkisg> Or is it in testing phase?
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| 08:33 | <Gadi> in latest, you shouldn't have to set CONFIGURE_X at all
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| 08:33 | it sets itself
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| 08:33 | <alkisg> Ah!!!! So that's why it worked!!! :)
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| 08:33 | <Gadi> but, lemme check one thing
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| 08:33 | <walter> You guys
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| 08:33 | <alkisg> (I've tried X_MODE_0 without CONFIGURE_X and it worked, and I wondered why...)
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| 08:33 | <Gadi> btw: the answer to #2 is that XRANDR cannot set color depth
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| 08:33 | <Guest62686> gadi : That's ok, but it don't know how to make the file /var/run/ldm_socket... be a socket
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| 08:33 | <alkisg> So X_COLOR_DEPTH is needed...
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| 08:34 | <Gadi> yeah
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| 08:34 | <alkisg> Thanks Gadi
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| 08:34 | <walter> I got an Ltsp setup of about 11 computers, and I am thinking what the best way is to recognize hosts (Ip Address or MAC and Hostname?)
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| 08:34 | <Gadi> to force a color depth
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| 08:34 | <walter> Currently I am binding IP address to Mac in dhcpd.conf, and MAC addresses to printers in lts.conf
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| 08:34 | <Gadi> Guest62686: you dont
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| 08:34 | ldm does
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| 08:34 | <walter> Would it be better to use a standard dhcpd.conf file, without binding, and using Hostnames instead of IP Addresses?
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| 08:35 | <Gadi> walter: using mac addresses in lts.conf is usually the best as there is no ambiguity
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| 08:35 | <Guest62686> Gadi : In fact, I need to use freenx instead of ldm (because of network bandwidth unsufficient for 60 clients
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| 08:36 | I looked at ldm sources, but don't find which commands and variables are nedded to create this socket on this file.
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| 08:36 | <Gadi> Guest62686: have you tried setting NETWORK_COMPRESSION in lts.conf? (not sure if it works, but I think it is a param)
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| 08:36 | <alkisg> walter: I think you can also map the printers to IPs with /etc/ethers
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| 08:37 | <Guest62686> (after this, I think ltspfs_entry will work
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| 08:37 | <Gadi> Guest62686: ssh creates the socket
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| 08:37 | <walter> Gadi I'm doing just that. But Cups will ask me a specific IP Address or hostname for a specific printer. Right now I'm giving it an IP Address, which is binded in dhcpd.conf. Should I give it a hostname instead, use a standard dhcpd.conf, without binding? But then again, how do I bind a hostname to a Mac address?
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| 08:37 | <Gadi> so, you would have to hack "nxssh"
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| 08:37 | <walter> alkisg last message applies to you too ;)
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| 08:37 | <cyberorg> Gadi, i've got a good news and a bad news, which one you want first :)
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| 08:38 | <Gadi> walter: keep doing what ur doing
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| 08:38 | if you want to map ips to hosts, do so in DNS
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| 08:38 | but, no need for printers
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| 08:38 | <Guest62686> Do you know the command line to attach the socket to this file ?
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| 08:38 | <Gadi> unless you expect to change IP addressing aroound more
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| 08:39 | Guest62686: ssh -M -S <filename> ...
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| 08:39 | Guest62686: that will create the socket file
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| 08:39 | <walter> Gadi No, I amn't expecting to change Ip addresses. It's just, dhcpd.conf gets overwritten at times, in KIWI-Ltsp, and I was wondering if hostnaming and dns is better than using binded Ip Addresses
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| 08:40 | <Guest62686> Gadi : what are the ... ? (sockets are something really new for me)
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| 08:40 | <Gadi> walter: do you want dhcpd.conf to be overwritten?
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| 08:40 | you can always make it immutable
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| 08:40 | :)
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| 08:40 | <walter> cyberorg this was all started by you suggesting to stop binding IP Addresses, by the way ;)
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| 08:40 | <Gadi> Guest62686: ... just means the rest of the ssh command
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| 08:41 | <cyberorg> walter, we agreed to carry on doing that as there is no other alternative?
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| 08:41 | <walter> Gadi No I really don't want to, but it happened twice already, and I'm a little tired of replacing it and restarting dhcpd
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| 08:41 | <Gadi> so, say you ssh into localhost
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| 08:41 | <alkisg> Gadi: how can I make /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default immutable? It gets overwritten... :)
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| 08:41 | <Gadi> ssh -M -S /tmp/blah localhost
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| 08:41 | creates a socket file in /tmp/blah
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| 08:41 | <cyberorg> walter, use chattr to not let dhcpd.conf get replaced by mistake
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| 08:41 | <Gadi> alkisg: chattr -i
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| 08:41 | or +i
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| 08:41 | hmm...
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| 08:41 | * Gadi is getting old | |
| 08:42 | <walter> cyberorg but I started thinking. How about I use a standard dhcpd.conf, and bind a Mac Address to a Hostname? How could I do that? Would it be better?
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| 08:42 | * alkisg has a lot to read about linux... :( | |
| 08:42 | <cyberorg> walter, no, binding mac in dhcpd is good enough
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| 08:42 | <Guest62686> Gady : but ssh needs a password (and in this case root password). I think it's not a good idea to put it in a file
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| 08:43 | <Gadi> Guest62686: ok. lets take this slowly
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| 08:43 | ldm collects username and password
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| 08:43 | <walter> cyberorg awright, but generally speaking, if I wanna bind Hostnames too, should I just use /etc/hosts, or use a nameserver (probably no real need to), or anything else?
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| 08:43 | <Gadi> then executes ssh -M -S ... to create an ssh tunnel and corresponding socket file
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| 08:43 | <Guest62686> gadi : ldm doesn't collect anything... that's nx
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| 08:43 | collect nothing, sorry
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| 08:43 | <Gadi> I am telling you what ldm *does*
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| 08:43 | <Guest62686> ok
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| 08:43 | <Gadi> and what you would need to make nx *do*
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| 08:44 | <cyberorg> walter, just copy over lts.conf from one of the clients to the server
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| 08:44 | <Gadi> I cannot help you hack nx
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| 08:44 | :)
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| 08:44 | I can only tell you what ldm does
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| 08:44 | <Guest62686> I can try t do it (wa can hope !)
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| 08:44 | <Gadi> and what you are trying to reproduce
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| 08:44 | <cyberorg> walter, sorry /etc/hosts from the client
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| 08:44 | <Gadi> cyberorg: whats the good news?
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| 08:44 | <walter> cyberorg How does that? Yeah, awright. /etc/hosts. Makes more sense ;)
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| 08:45 | <cyberorg> Gadi, everything you have done worked fine :)
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| 08:45 | <Gadi> ok, whats the bad news?
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| 08:46 | <cyberorg> it works as expected on vista rdp, the bad news is linux xrdp does not recognize disk:drive thing
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| 08:46 | <Gadi> hmm... well, I guess that becomes an xrdp bug
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| 08:46 | Yay!
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| 08:46 | :)
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| 08:47 | <cyberorg> no, that feature is not implemented yet
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| 08:47 | <Gadi> ah, ok
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| 08:47 | <cyberorg> and it looks like it wont be, that is why we would have to use ltspfs
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| 08:47 | <Gadi> Guest62686: what distro are you on?
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| 08:47 | <walter> Gadi cyberorg Thanks you guys. See ya later ;)
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| 08:48 | <Gadi> cyberorg: wont be?
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| 08:48 | why?
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| 08:48 | <cyberorg> Gadi, and another bad news is that none of xinitrc.d run when using rdesktop
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| 08:49 | <Gadi> did you check ltsp-common-functions for run_parts_list
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| 08:49 | ?
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| 08:49 | <cyberorg> Gadi, i checked xrdp-devel archive, two people asked about it and there is dead silence, it is quite dead there
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| 08:49 | <Gadi> thats never good
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| 08:49 | <cyberorg> yes it has that
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| 08:50 | <Gadi> how do you know it does not run?
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| 08:50 | <cyberorg> LTSPFS_TOKEN, PULSE_SERVER etc is not set
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| 08:51 | <Gadi> how did you check it?
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| 08:51 | they should only be set within the X environment
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| 08:51 | <cyberorg> xprop -root | grep LTSP
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| 08:51 | <Gadi> ah
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| 08:52 | from a shell do: export DISPLAY=:8; /usr/share/ltsp/xinitrc
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| 08:52 | and see if it returns an error
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| 08:52 | * Gadi gets a coffee meanwhile | |
| 08:53 | <cyberorg> Gadi, flooded your PM
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| 08:56 | <ltsppbot> "cyberorg" pasted "Gadi: sh -x /usr/share/ltsp/xinitrc" (420 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/163
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| 08:56 | <cyberorg> thats more interesting
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| 08:59 | <Gadi> cyberorg: ok, just pushed a commit to silence that stuff
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| 08:59 | can you pull ltsp-trunk?
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| 08:59 | lets see if that fixes the xinitrc stuff for you
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| 08:59 | <cyberorg> what about the reason for those scripts not being executed?
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| 08:59 | <Gadi> it could be related
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| 09:00 | <cyberorg> ok
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| 09:00 | <Gadi> if a sourced file ends with a nonzero return, it causes the whole thing to fail
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| 09:00 | thats why you see || true in these kinds of scripts
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| 09:00 | <cyberorg> yeah was just about to say that :)
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| 09:09 | <zerocool> i'm using rdesktop from the SCREEN_02 and on the windozz server i've set the screen saver not to turn on but after 10 mins the thin clients turn off their screens.
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| 09:09 | does anyone have addition data on this?
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| 09:09 | <cyberorg> Gadi, one error is fixed, but still no LTSPFS_TOKEN
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| 09:09 | <zerocool> i checked the ltsp wiki but the DPMs settings which are supposed to be enter in the lts.conf don't do a/t
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| 09:23 | <cyberorg> Gadi, got it, everything runs as expected and LTSPFS_TOKEN is also set, but xprop in rdp session is not reading root window
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| 09:23 | DISPLAY=:8 xterm, and from there xprop -root | grep LTSP shows it set
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| 09:24 | is rdesktop client running on another root window?
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| 09:27 | Gadi, strangely DISPLAY=:10 xterm on the server launches xterm on the client
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| 09:28 | <alkisg> wow, I'd like to be able to do that on purpose... :)
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| 09:29 | <cyberorg> alkisg, use italc ;)
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| 09:29 | <alkisg> Yeah, I do, but still, it would be nice... :)
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| 09:32 | It would enable scripting, e.g. stream a video to all clients with vlc, just by right clicking on it and selecting a nautilus script
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| 09:40 | <sbalneav> Morning all
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| 09:40 | <cyberorg> moin sbalneav :)
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| 09:54 | <CAN-o-SPAM> sbalneav!
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| 09:55 | <sbalneav> Hello CAN-o-SPAM !
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| 09:55 | <CAN-o-SPAM> get my e-mail for the contest?
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| 09:55 | <sbalneav> Yes I did!
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| 09:55 | Any submissions yet?
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| 09:55 | <CAN-o-SPAM> well one ... it's posted
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| 09:55 | hopin for more :)
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| 09:56 | <sbalneav> WHat's the link again?
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| 09:57 | <CAN-o-SPAM> http://www.disklessworkstations.com/cgi-bin/web/contestlogos.html <- to see submissions
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| 09:57 | <sbalneav> I had an idea for one long ago, but my drawing skills are next to nothing.
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| 09:58 | You'd probably have to have someone with some useful art skills "fix it up", but I'll see if I can find it.
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| 09:59 | <CAN-o-SPAM> ok let me know
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| 10:05 | <cyberorg> CAN-o-SPAM, can you put some "how to submit" information on that link?
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| 10:06 | <CAN-o-SPAM> sure, the how to submit info is also posted on wiki.ltsp.org & http://www.disklessworkstations.com/cgi-bin/web/ltspContest.html
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| 10:06 | cyberorg: do u have any SuSE art lists that might be interested?
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| 10:06 | <cyberorg> ok then just a link to that page
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| 10:07 | <Gadi> ogra: ping
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| 10:07 | <cyberorg> CAN-o-SPAM, there are few artists who should be sending logos :)
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| 10:07 | i can't find them online atm
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| 10:08 | <CAN-o-SPAM> ok great, thanks
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| 10:10 | <Gadi> hey - does anyone know if there is a limit as to the number of cores Ubuntu can recognize (ie, will a dual-quad core system show 8 cores with the stock kernel or server kernel?)
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| 10:13 | <CAN-o-SPAM> cyberorg: that pages is updated.
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| 10:13 | page*
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| 10:13 | <cyberorg> cool thanks
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| 10:28 | <_UsUrPeR_> is anyone in here competant in setting up xrandr in an xorg config/udev rule?
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| 10:33 | <Gadi> stgraber: ping
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| 10:34 | _UsUrPeR_: do you mean the new XRANDR_* lts.conf params?
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| 10:35 | <_UsUrPeR_> gadi: no, this isn't an ltsp client issue. I have a laptop I want to consistently use an external monitor, but the only way I can get it to come on is with manual xrandr commands :/
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| 10:36 | I've tried setting a udev rule for it, as well as rc.local
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| 10:36 | neither seems to have an effect
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| 10:43 | <Gadi> dont use udev
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| 10:43 | or rc.local
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| 10:43 | this is an X thing
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| 10:43 | it must be set within your X session
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| 10:44 | use the desktop tools
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| 10:44 | or add your xrandr commands to a session startup script
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| 10:45 | <_UsUrPeR_> the problem is that the ubuntu screen resolution option will not detect the second monitor until I do the following: "xrandr --output TMDS-1 --auto"
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| 10:45 | gadi: ahh, that could work
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| 10:45 | the session startup script, that is
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| 10:50 | <krish> hey all. I just got the link for logo contest
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| 10:50 | i may try it out. any expections/ideas?
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| 10:50 | <cyberorg> CAN-o-SPAM, here is the artist :)
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| 10:50 | <CAN-o-SPAM> ok cool
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| 10:51 | <krish> cyberorg: oh, I just read the rules. they want svg or eps
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| 10:51 | heh
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| 10:51 | <cyberorg> inkscape it is then :)
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| 10:51 | <krish> well gimp can export to eps
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| 10:51 | <Gadi> zerocool: what distro and version?
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| 10:52 | <krish> but if you strictly want inkscape - shona is the one
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| 10:52 | <Gadi> zerocool: you may want: X_BLANKING = 0
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| 10:52 | <cyberorg> krish, both of you can send in three each :)
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| 10:52 | <CAN-o-SPAM> krish: LTSP has some associations with Lobsters? Penguins (from Linux)?
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| 10:52 | <krish> heh, i dont think we will do 3. shona is crashing her head on blender and I am doing the same on pencil and synfig
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| 10:53 | CAN-o-SPAM: lobsters what?
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| 10:53 | :)
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| 10:53 | <CAN-o-SPAM> krish: Also some associations with thin client network diagram, thats my best ideas
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| 10:54 | <cyberorg> krish, ltsp devs are lobster hogs
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| 10:54 | <CAN-o-SPAM> heh
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| 10:54 | <krish> something similar to this http://picasaweb.google.com/das.srikrishna/Distros#5269108609235327010
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| 10:54 | cyberorg: lucky they. dont find good lobster in here
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| 10:55 | <cyberorg> krish, there you go lobster, tux, thin client, and network together, lots of ideas to play with ;)
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| 10:55 | <krish> ltsp wants a logo not a mascot isnt it
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| 10:56 | hehe
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| 10:56 | cyberorg: hope ltsp doesnt have gnu components. I might have to put in hurd then
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| 10:56 | hurd eat lobster and penguin. lol
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| 10:57 | <CAN-o-SPAM> lobster (represent a server) holding penguins (represent thin clients) in the lobsters claw?
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| 10:57 | claws*
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| 10:58 | <krish> CAN-o-SPAM: how do you manage to read my mind?
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| 10:58 | <zerocool> s/o have an idea on the screen blanking on rdesktop connections?
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| 10:58 | <CAN-o-SPAM> krish: can't tell, it is a very careful process
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| 10:58 | <krish> i was thinking almost the same. but lobster was the network medium between server and thin client
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| 10:58 | <CAN-o-SPAM> sounds cool
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| 10:59 | have to go to meeting. thanks for participating krish! i look forward to seeing your design(s)
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| 10:59 | <krish> okay
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| 10:59 | thks to cyberorg
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| 10:59 | <CAN-o-SPAM> thnx cyberorg
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| 11:00 | <Gadi> (11:51:09 AM) Gadi: zerocool: you may want: X_BLANKING = 0
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| 11:04 | <zerocool> gadi: kool, leme check that.
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| 11:35 | Gadi: That didn't work... is this s/t u have seen b4?
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| 11:41 | Ubuntu 8.0.4 LTSP ver 5
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| 11:42 | <Gadi> zerocool: sure - we added support for that variable only in the past few months - it may not be in that version
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| 11:42 | if you want to fix it, you can do this:
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| 11:42 | (fix it for your version, that is)
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| 11:43 | edit: /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/lib/ltsp/screen.d/rdesktop
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| 11:43 | oh wait
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| 11:43 | ur on hardy....
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| 11:43 | ok
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| 11:43 | do this.
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| 11:43 | <zerocool> yeah, that's right
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| 11:44 | <Gadi> actually, can you paste: /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/lib/ltsp/screen.d/rdesktop
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| 11:44 | !pastebin
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| 11:44 | <ltspbot> Gadi: "pastebin" is try !pastebot
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| 11:44 | <Gadi> !pastebot
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| 11:44 | <ltspbot> Gadi: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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| 11:46 | <zerocool> !pastebot
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| 11:46 | <ltspbot> zerocool: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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| 11:48 | <ltsppbot> "zerocool" pasted "gabi wanted this..." (49 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/164
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| 11:50 | "Gadi" pasted "place in: /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/local/bin/rdesktop and: chmod 755 /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/local/bin/rdesktop" (22 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/165
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| 11:51 | <Gadi> do that, and then change the line in the script you pasted from "/usr/bin/rdesktop to /usr/local/bin/rdesktop
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| 11:51 | and: sudo ltsp-update-image
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| 11:51 | does that make sense?
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| 11:56 | <zerocool> kind of... not tracking with the "change the line in the script you pasted"...
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| 11:56 | <Gadi> so the: /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/lib/ltsp/screen.d/rdesktop
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| 11:56 | <zerocool> yeah
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| 11:56 | <Gadi> in that sript, there is a line that starts with "xinit"
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| 11:56 | and has:
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| 11:57 | /usr/bin/rdesktop
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| 11:57 | change that to read: /usr/local/bin/rdesktop
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| 11:57 | <zerocool> tracking...
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| 11:57 | <Gadi> that way it will call the new script that you are adding
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| 11:57 | which will both disable dpms (based on X_BLANKING) and run rdesktop
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| 11:57 | <zerocool> ok grt. leme do that right now. one sec
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| 12:03 | <zerocool> ok, the beast came back up. so MF is waiting 10 mins to see if it dies.
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| 12:03 | <Gadi> if it still does, check the screensaver setting in your Windows session
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| 12:04 | 10 mins seems awfully long for dpms
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| 12:05 | <zerocool> ok good. yeah, i did check that. in group policy i turned off the screensaver & it does not time out when i connect from a normal desktop so don't think that's an influence.
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| 12:08 | one think, kind of odd but when my rdesktop session was resumed it had "-f" in the username. I guess it's somewhere in the script u gave me that the username is past of "-f"
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| 12:08 | doing a man of rdesktop "-u" does this.
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| 12:09 | <Gadi> oh, yeah
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| 12:09 | sorry
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| 12:09 | in the screen.d script, remove the line with -u ''
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| 12:09 | and add the: -u '' to the rdesktop line in the new script you added
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| 12:10 | (unfortunately, the -u '' needs to be inline with the rdesktop call
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| 12:10 | when passed as an argument, it drops the ''
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| 12:10 | so, it reads: -u -f
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| 12:10 | which sets the username to -f
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| 12:10 | :P
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| 12:10 | <zerocool> and that would be on the last line?
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| 12:11 | before the $*
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| 12:11 | ?
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| 12:15 | <Gadi> right
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| 12:17 | <zerocool> alright man, it worked!!! 13 mins and counting - still seein the screen
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| 12:22 | <Gadi> cool
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| 12:25 | zerocool: you can adjust the blanking interval now, too with X_BLANKING (0 = never)
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| 12:51 | <_UsUrPeR_> quick question about F9's DHCPD server: why is it that on boot, it will not start properly (error says no subnet specified for eth0) yet it will start normally with no problem if I do it manually after boot or in rc.local.
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| 13:53 | <Guevara> hi
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| 13:57 | <rootchick> Gadi, I figured out why that xsession.d script for rsyncing my home directories made the x session crash--it was obliterating the .Xauthority file. Once I excluded that, it worked fine! Thanks!
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| 14:06 | <Guevara> Gadi: i try put smbd: ip_users for block access internal network, but the system no block
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| 14:06 | i put in the hosts.deny file in /etc/hosts.deny
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| 14:07 | <rjune> rootchick, w00t!
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| 14:07 | <rootchick> yes, indeed!!
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| 14:09 | is there a way to run an xsession script after logout? Back when I used kdm, there was xreset.
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| 14:12 | <Guevara> howPendrive when a plug on the server it appears in all terminals, how can I prevent this?
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| 14:12 | <_UsUrPeR_> warren: where is the documentation for the whitelist functionality in Fedora?
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| 14:14 | <Guevara> Pendrive when a plug on the server it appears in all terminals, how can I prevent this? sbalneav
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| 14:15 | <jammcq> hello #ltsp
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| 14:15 | <rootchick> hello
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| 14:19 | <johnny> Guevara, don't ask the same question twice
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| 14:19 | it is annoying
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| 14:19 | Guevara, make sure your users are not all members of the same group
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| 14:19 | your members must have themselves as the primary group
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| 14:20 | <Guevara> yes
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| 14:20 | <johnny> so user foo, must be in group foo, as the main group
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| 14:20 | that is how it works in ubuntu by default
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| 14:20 | <Guevara> each user is in your group
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| 14:20 | <johnny> but is that their primary group?
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| 14:21 | <Guevara> when user is create the group is the user
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| 14:21 | user pc01, group pc01, tou understand?
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| 14:21 | you*
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| 14:22 | users is not in the group of the server
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| 14:22 | but pendrive appears in all terminals
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| 14:24 | i post this http://linux.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/Ubuntu/2008-12/msg02597.html
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| 14:28 | <sbalneav> Guevara: Can you run the command "id" on two of the users, and paste the results to the pastebot?
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| 14:28 | !pastebot
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| 14:28 | <ltspbot> sbalneav: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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| 14:29 | <Guevara> I'm at home, the LTSP this in college sbalneav
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| 14:29 | <johnny> then you will have to do it when you go there..
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| 14:29 | <Guevara> but the ids is fuse=107
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| 14:30 | the group is the same name as the user
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| 14:30 | =/
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| 14:31 | <johnny> it must be the primary group..
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| 14:31 | not just be in the group
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| 14:31 | <Guevara> what would be the primary group?
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| 14:31 | <johnny> that is why you must paste the result of the command!
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| 14:32 | <Guevara> =/
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| 14:33 | ok, when you get there what should I look for or change in the permissions?
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| 14:33 | i
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| 14:33 | <johnny> just paste the result when you get there???
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| 14:33 | <Guevara> ok
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| 14:34 | I also tried to block access to internal network putting smbd: all in hosts.deny file and did not work
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| 14:36 | <alkisg> Guevara, yesterday rjune gave you the iptables line to prevent access to smb shares. You may find it at the logs.
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| 14:37 | <Guevara> not burn logs here alkisg
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| 14:37 | <alkisg> Look at the channel topic, there's a link to the logs
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| 14:38 | <Guevara> where the link?
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| 14:38 | <alkisg> IRC logs at: http://www.nubae.com/logs/,
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| 14:38 | <rjune> iptables -m owner --help
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| 14:38 | iptables -m owner -A OUTPUT -j DROP --gid-owner STUDENT_GID
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| 14:39 | From a security perspective, you should do this:
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| 14:39 | iptables -m owner -A OUTPUT -j ACCEPT --gid-owner TEACHER_GID
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| 14:39 | iptables -m owner -A OUTPUT -j DROP
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| 14:39 | <Guevara> but users still accessing the Internet? rjune
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| 14:39 | <rjune> that way only people in the TEACHER group can see the world
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| 14:40 | You might need to add --dport 138 or whatever smb is
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| 14:40 | the -m owner bits should be the strange parts. basic iptables usage is easy to find.
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| 14:42 | <Guevara> i can't access the logs
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| 14:43 | i found
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| 14:43 | <nubae> which ones?
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| 14:44 | ah wait... I haven't cycled the 2008 ones
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| 14:44 | I'll have to put those up... right now since its a new year there is only 8 days... let me go fix that
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| 14:45 | <Guevara> ok
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| 14:45 | i found the log
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| 14:50 | <_UsUrPeR_> does anyone know where the ltsp-localapps whitelist documentation is located?
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| 14:51 | <johnny> there probably isn't any
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| 14:51 | <_UsUrPeR_> d'oh :/
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| 14:51 | <Guevara> run locate ltsp-localapps in the terminal _UsUrPeR_
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| 14:51 | <johnny> _UsUrPeR_, that's a warren specific question :)
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| 14:51 | Guevara, that won't work
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| 14:51 | <Guevara> why?
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| 14:51 | <johnny> _UsUrPeR_, you're gonna have to look at the code
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| 14:51 | cuz it doesn't really exist
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| 14:52 | <Guevara> =/
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| 14:52 | <_UsUrPeR_> johnny: ok, I'll take a look
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| 14:52 | <rjune> warren and somebody else was working on that
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| 14:52 | <_UsUrPeR_> johnny: ltsp-localapps does not open any feedback on the client when run
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| 14:52 | <rjune> I forget who was doing it with him
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| 14:52 | <_UsUrPeR_> err... guevara ^^
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| 14:52 | <johnny> _UsUrPeR_, and?
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| 14:53 | you sure expect alot
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| 14:53 | <_UsUrPeR_> johnny: was clarifying for guevara
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| 14:53 | I know you knew that :)
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| 14:53 | <johnny> he's saying you could find the docs by locate
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| 14:53 | <rjune> look in LTSP_ROOT/etc
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| 14:53 | * _UsUrPeR_ does that | |
| 14:53 | <rjune> see if there's something which is obviously the config file in there
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| 14:55 | <johnny> _stink_, the whitelist is set in lts.conf, you must look n the code to see how it is handled
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| 14:55 | look ltsp-trunk/localapps and grep around
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| 15:08 | <_UsUrPeR_> ahh
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| 15:08 | <vagrantc> Guevara: type /topic
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| 15:08 | <_UsUrPeR_> semi-docs are in ltsp-localappsd :)
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| 15:08 | <vagrantc> Guevara: nevermind.
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| 15:08 | * vagrantc was caught in the past. | |
| 15:09 | <CAN-o-SPAM> sbalneav, ping ping
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| 15:10 | * vagrantc notices ltsp-trunk/COPYING differs from ltsp-trunk/localapps/COPYING | |
| 15:11 | <vagrantc> one of them has the old FSF address.
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| 15:11 | <vagrantc> and one of them has an exception for bash
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| 16:55 | <kc8pxy> i just did a fresh layman -S ltsp; emerge ltsp-server; i've not gotten it to work before, should i expect success, or failure?
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| 16:56 | ok, looks like faliure.
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| 16:57 | ok, i think i know why it's failing, but i don't know the cause for the reason.
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| 17:05 | <johnny> huh?
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| 17:05 | after you have emerged ltsp-server then you should do
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| 17:05 | ltsp-build-client --quickstart-verbose --quickstart-debug
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| 17:07 | <kc8pxy> did that
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| 17:07 | pastebin comming up
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| 17:08 | http://slexy.org/view/s2iZLSZDbV
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| 17:09 | <johnny> that's not very helpful..
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| 17:09 | add --debug to the mix
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| 17:09 | oh.. maybe that won't help
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| 17:11 | <kc8pxy> http://slexy.org/view/s2081U6ni5
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| 17:11 | i see somethign conspicuous.
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| 17:11 | fatal=1
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| 17:11 | why is that set?
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| 17:13 | one thing that it seems to hate is "i haven't set a stage uri" even thought #
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| 17:13 | stage_url=http://www.funtoo.org/linux/x86/stage3-x86-current.tar.bz2
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| 17:14 | ideas?
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| 17:15 | i need to get this deployeed soon(ish). the sooner, the better.
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| 17:15 | at least SOME sort of working client.
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| 17:16 | <johnny> uri.. not url
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| 17:16 | oops
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| 17:16 | i just noticed that
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| 17:19 | <kc8pxy> fix comming??:)
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| 17:20 | <johnny> done
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| 17:20 | see if that works
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| 17:24 | <kc8pxy> layman -S ltsp : emerge ltsp-server; ??
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| 17:25 | layman -S ltsp says it's up to date
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| 17:27 | <johnny> just emerge ltsp-server
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| 17:27 | i didn't touch the ebuild
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| 17:27 | just the bzr repository
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| 17:48 | <kc8pxy> kk
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| 17:51 | same difference
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| 17:51 | <johnny> did you merge your config files?
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| 17:52 | <kc8pxy> DOH
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| 17:52 | <johnny> it should have told you to?
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| 17:52 | <kc8pxy> gears are turning now
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| 17:53 | amd64 server, 32-bit client, assumed?
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| 17:53 | <johnny> that's the default
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| 17:53 | like fedora
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| 17:53 | <kc8pxy> 32-bit client uless proven 64?
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| 17:53 | :)
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| 17:53 | <johnny> on ubuntu i think it's default to the server arch..
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| 17:53 | yeah..
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| 17:53 | i do something like linux32 $(uname -m)
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| 17:55 | <kc8pxy> it's grabbing a funtoo stage?
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| 17:56 | <johnny> yes
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| 17:56 | since he generates nice symlinks for me
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| 17:56 | <kc8pxy> hehe
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| 17:56 | <johnny> so it will grab the most current
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| 17:56 | i realize one more thing i need to change
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| 18:00 | i had to remove the forcing of portage 2.2, since we don't actually need it
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| 18:01 | i need to go ahead and test ldm without ubuntulooks, since that has changed not to require it
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| 18:07 | <kc8pxy> I'll be back.. got an error.
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| 19:16 | <Lns> For anyone interested, I filed this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openoffice.org/+bug/315300
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| 19:19 | <johnny> filling there?
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| 19:19 | shouldn't you be filing upstream?
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| 19:19 | especially since that isn't an ubuntu bug
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| 19:19 | that's a general bug with ooo
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| 19:20 | <Lns> I probably will, and will triage them
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| 19:20 | good point
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| 19:22 | <vagrantc> this pixmap caching issue just keeps resurfacing
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| 19:22 | <Lns> vagrantc: i know :(
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| 19:23 | even with nbdswap enabled its just too much for the poor clients to handle all at once
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| 19:23 | <vagrantc> first, firefox ... and that was somewhat dealt with? then openoffice documents, which was also somewhat addressed ... now openoffice presenter ?
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| 19:23 | <Lns> and those are just the most used apps
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| 19:23 | <vagrantc> *sigh*
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| 19:24 | <Lns> im sure its all over the place really
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| 19:24 | <vagrantc> we need a propaganda campaign to discourage pixmap caching
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| 19:24 | <Lns> or a mechanism to disallow it.. /ducks
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| 19:24 | <vagrantc> or somehow get hooks into the libraries that implement that sort of thing, and optionally disable it
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| 19:24 | <Lns> that would be sweeeet
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| 19:25 | <vagrantc> anyways, off i go...
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| 19:25 | <Lns> bye!
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| 19:49 | <kc8pxy> heya johnny
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| 19:50 | i ran into this issue
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| 19:51 | [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/usr/local/portage/layman/make.conf' in /etc/make.conf
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| 20:06 | <dberkholz> sounds like you set up your layman to use a directory other than /usr/local/portage
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| 20:09 | <johnny> dberkholz, the default changed.. many people seem to have the pre change version
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| 20:09 | i did force the version since the change
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| 20:09 | but seems like many have not merged their config files either
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| 20:10 | kc8pxy, you need to move layman to /usr/local/portage/layman, as the newer versions suggest
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| 20:19 | <kc8pxy> bbiab.. leaving the shop.
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| 22:14 | <kc8pxy> johnny: do i have to manually do that?? layman doesn't move things/reinstall in the new dir?
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| 23:43 | <zer0c00l> hi room, is there any build_initramfs script available to build initramfs for ltsp 5
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| 23:44 | <zer0c00l> how can i make custom kernel for ltsp5
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| 23:45 | <Ryan52> put it wherever your tftp stuff hides ("/var/lib/tftpboot"?)
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| 23:45 | there should already be one there.
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| 23:46 | don't overwrite it, i think it's automajically put there...:p. so put it somewhere else and update your syslinux/whatever configs.
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| 23:48 | <zer0c00l> i need to add some wireless network drivers to the ramdisk.......how can i do that
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| 23:51 | <kc8pxy> zer0c00l: imho, i would not trust a ltsp client to run it's link on wifi
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| 23:51 | <alkisg> zer0c00l: I *think* you put them to /opt/ltsp/i386/share/initramfs-tools/modules and then run chroot /opt/ltsp/i386/ && usr/sbin/update-initramfs
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| 23:53 | <Ryan52> isn't there some ltsp-update-blah script that you gotta run or something? (/me is clueless, btw)
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| 23:53 | <zer0c00l> kc8pxyo:i am not going to use boot from lan,
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| 23:53 | alkisg: ok
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| 23:53 | <alkisg> Ryan52: I think for the kernels ltsp-update-image is not needed
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| 23:53 | <zer0c00l> let be try
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| 23:54 | <alkisg> There is ltsp-update-kernels that copies them to /var/lib/tftpboot...
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| 23:55 | <Ryan52> ya, that's what I was thinking of ... is that needed? :p
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| 23:55 | <alkisg> Yep... to copy the kernels from the chroot to the tftp dir, you're right
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| 23:57 | <zer0c00l> what i have done so far is i copied the kernel and ramdisk of k12 ltsp and put them inside /tftpboot directory also used the i386 of k12 ltsp
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| 23:57 | it work for me......
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| 23:57 | but i am lot able to login
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| 23:57 | i enabled xdm through kdm
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| 23:57 | and using X -query <ip> :1
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| 23:57 | command to get the kdm
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| 23:58 | from ltsp client
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| 23:59 | <zer0c00l> i checked the i386 folder and i am not able to find share folder you mentioned also i can't find out update-initramfs script
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| 23:59 | <Ryan52> alkisg, oh, did anybody ever tell you why SSH_ASKPASS won't work? :)
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| 23:59 | <zer0c00l> do i miss something
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| 23:59 | <alkisg> Ryan52: yeap, I saw it... :(
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| 23:59 | * Ryan52 nods :( | |