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| 11:58 | <muppis> Who maintains ltsp-remoteapps and ltsp-localapps scripts? I'd like to talk about those before I make a bug report.
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| 12:01 | <alkisg> muppis: I think the only devs working on ltsp currently are me and vagrantc
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| 12:01 | <muppis> Shame. I wish I had time to help. :(
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| 12:01 | <alkisg> I don't think all the parts of ltsp have a maintainer per se...
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| 12:02 | Yup, we don't have much time for ltsp either
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| 12:13 | <muppis> There's something odd in handling desktop files. If I define Mimetypes in dekstop file and put Exec=ltsp-remoteapps xdg-open %U, xdg-open were dropped and only %U is passed to ltsp-remoteapps, which didn't work. Made workaround to ltsp-remoteapps to check is arg passed as command actual user's file and add xdg-open as command.
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| 12:14 | <vmlintu> I wonder what is the most used usecase for ltsp these days. Is it beefy fatclients or something like rasppi..
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| 12:19 | <alkisg> muppis, it doesn't sound good to include xdg-open in the command line
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| 12:19 | It should be integrated to ltsp-remoteappsd, but not in the desktop file
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| 12:54 | <muppis> work_alkisg, I know. That's why I called it a workaround.
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| 12:54 | <work_alkisg> muppis: what I'm saying is that it's easier to accept proper fixes upstream, than workarounds
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| 12:54 | <muppis> I know that too. :D
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| 12:55 | <work_alkisg> So I just hinted that you direct your effords that way...
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| 12:55 | *efforts
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| 15:01 | <gvy> http://lists.mindrot.org/pipermail/openssh-unix-dev/2016-January/034680.html
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| 16:06 | <donjon> when does vagrant usually show up?
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| 16:09 | <elias_a> During his daytime. :P
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| 16:09 | <donjon> which may be???
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| 16:10 | <maldridge> soon ish. iirc he's somewhere near UTC -6
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| 16:11 | <donjon> cool... thanks
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| 17:49 | <donjon> hey vagrant :)
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| 17:50 | * vagrantc waves | |
| 17:51 | <donjon> the install was with edubuntu but i needed to muck with it since i was using a raid and multiple nics...
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| 17:51 | files: http://students.shc.edu.bz/les/getFiles/
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| 18:09 | <vagrantc> work_alkisg: thanks for your comments regarding the networkmanager interface thing...
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| 18:20 | <donjon> :)
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| 18:21 | <vagrantc> donjon: that url you gave just shows me an empty page
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| 18:33 | <donjon> really?
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| 18:34 | it should give you a dropdown box and select button
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| 18:35 | <vagrantc> it is a bit cumbersome to have to select something from a drop-down
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| 18:36 | <alkisg> vagrantc: you're welcome :) It's basically a follow-up from https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+bug/1492546, problems with ltsp + systemd (solved)
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| 18:36 | <donjon> i set it up that way in case you need different files
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| 18:36 | <vagrantc> donjon: please just use a regular pastebin
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| 18:36 | !pastebin | echo donjon
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| 18:36 | <ltsp`> donjon pastebin: the LTSP pastebin is at http://ltsp.pastebin.com. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebin, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. Don't forget to paste the URL of the text here.
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| 18:37 | <vagrantc> or if you prefer, paste.debian.net
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| 18:37 | <donjon> ok... i'll do that sorry
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| 18:37 | <alkisg> Or apache autoindex, e.g. http://people.ubuntu.com/~alkisg/ltsp/
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| 18:37 | Plain file listing...
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| 18:37 | <vagrantc> donjon: i selected lts.conf from the drop-down, hit submit, and it gives me gibberish html
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| 18:37 | yeah, that's nice too
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| 18:39 | <donjon> http://pastebin.com/17RtiJTs
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| 18:39 | thats ltsp-info?
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| 18:40 | ok?
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| 18:40 | <alkisg> It looks like you have the greek schools ppa in the server but not in the chroot, you should put it in the chroot as well...
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| 18:40 | <donjon> hmmm
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| 18:41 | * vagrantc forgets what the issue even was :) | |
| 18:41 | <donjon> yeah i guess i haven't updated the sources in side for a while
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| 18:41 | problems were some apps were seeing network printers while others weren't
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| 18:42 | also some apps were seeing usb drives and some weren't
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| 18:43 | <vagrantc> oh yeah, probably some combination of fat clients with remoteapps or thin clients with localapps ...
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| 18:44 | depending on what you have installed in the chroot and how much ram your clients have, they may be defaulting to fat clients
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| 18:44 | even if not specifically configured as such
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| 18:44 | <vagrantc> donjon: what are the rough specs of our clients?
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| 18:45 | <donjon> the mem on the thin clients is 2G
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| 18:45 | <vagrantc> those should make decent fat clients
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| 18:45 | <donjon> dual core cpu
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| 18:46 | <vagrantc> but, like alkisg said, get your LTSP updated
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| 18:46 | <donjon> doing that right now :)
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| 18:46 | <alkisg> donjon: updating the sources is a completely different things from updating the packages
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| 18:46 | <vagrantc> lots of bugfixes since the versions you're running
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| 18:46 | <donjon> i understand that
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| 18:46 | <alkisg> You need to run `add-apt-repository ppa:ts.sch.gr` inside the chroot, and *then* run apt-get update etc
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| 18:46 | So that you get LTSP 5.5.5 in the chroot, you now have 5.5.1
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| 18:47 | <donjon> should that be done outside as well?
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| 18:47 | <alkisg> I think you already have done that outside the chroot
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| 18:47 | <donjon> ah ok
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| 18:47 | <alkisg> You can check by running `apt-cache policy ltsp-server`
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| 18:47 | LTSP 5.5.5 fixes a lot of printing problems over 5.5.1, so it might fix your issues
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| 18:48 | <donjon> ah ok
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| 18:49 | <alkisg> vagrantc: when I reply to a debian bug report, do I get automatically subscribed to it?
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| 18:49 | <vagrantc> alkisg: no
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| 18:49 | <alkisg> Meh
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| 18:49 | * vagrantc nods | |
| 18:49 | <alkisg> vagrantc: can you help me subscribe to all ltsp bugs in debian? :)
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| 18:49 | <vagrantc> alkisg: yes! :)
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| 18:53 | alkisg: if i recall correctly.... email pts@qa.debian.org with "subscribe SOURCEPACKAGE EMAIL" for each of ltsp, ldm and ltspfs
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| 18:54 | alkisg: you can also get a web interface https://packages.qa.debian.org/cgi-bin/pts.cgi
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| 18:55 | alkisg: you could also possibly subscribe via tracker.debian.org/SOURCEPACKAGE ... but that interface is relatively new and i haven't used it much
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| 18:55 | <alkisg> https://packages.qa.debian.org/cgi-bin/pts.cgi probably needs some email=parameter, it doesn't work for me
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| 18:55 | <vagrantc> alkisg: with email, i think you can do all three in one email
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| 18:56 | ah, hrm.
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| 18:56 | <alkisg> Or maybe I need to login to qa first... let me check
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| 18:57 | <vagrantc> alkisg: packages.qa.debian.org/ltsp
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| 18:57 | alkisg: should be a subscription drop-down in the lower-left
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| 18:57 | <alkisg> vagrantc: is that only for source changes (uploads etc), or bug reports too?
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| 18:59 | <vagrantc> alkisg: if you select "opts" from the drop-down, it should give you checkboxes to pick
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| 18:59 | <alkisg> Cool, thanks, subscribing to everything there...
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| 19:00 | <vagrantc> it'll send you a confirmation email that you should just need to reply to
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| 19:02 | <alkisg> All done :)
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| 19:03 | <vagrantc> alright, i really need to sit down and do some LTSP testing on Debian!
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| 19:03 | <alkisg> Did you have any time to work on the new releases?
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| 19:03 | I have an ldm patch pending, about the multi-monitor setup...
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| 19:04 | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ltsp/+bug/693151
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| 19:05 | Now that debian defaults to nbd, I think we can have a common wiki (at ltsp.org), and only note the differences between debian/ubuntu whenever those apply
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| 19:14 | <vagrantc> alkisg: i can spend some time this week and the coming week updating LTSP in Debian
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| 19:14 | i don't know that i have any multi-monitor clients to test with, though
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| 19:18 | <alkisg> I can probably do some testing myself as well
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| 19:18 | I do have a stretch vm, I'll debuild or I can add some repository of yours if you have one
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| 19:18 | * vagrantc got derailed on other projects recently | |
| 19:19 | <alkisg> I think 16.04 feature freeze is in feb 18, we have enough time for it to be migrated there...
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| 19:19 | <vagrantc> i ususally just use debian.org :)
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| 19:19 | ah, good.
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| 19:20 | this will be the first release where ubuntu just pulls from debian? :)
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| 19:20 | <alkisg> I mean, before you upload to unstable... maybe to experimental?
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| 19:20 | Yup! Finally!
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| 19:20 | <vagrantc> unstable should be fine for LTSP ... if there really are problems, i'll block it from hitting testing
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| 19:21 | from the sounds of it, there may be significant bugs at the moment anyways
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| 19:21 | i guess it's not true, i usually have a local repository for packages :)
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| 19:21 | i can push them somewhere instead of just locally
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| 19:34 | <donjon> vagrant: I did the updates and ltsp-update-kernel and ltsp-update-image... new paste: http://pastebin.com/mynWrz1N
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| 19:34 | still no difference on client
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| 19:38 | lts.conf: http://pastebin.com/4hDr3BgM
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| 21:02 | <Maijin> What's the best way to get rid off the "this kernel requires the following features not present on the cpu pae"
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| 21:02 | Hello by the way o/
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| 21:03 | <||cw> Maijin: use a kernel that doesn't require pae
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| 21:04 | most distros have one
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| 21:04 | <Maijin> Yep, but what preference and stuff should I change in the config ?
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| 21:04 | I'm using edubuntu btw
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| 21:05 | I've seen
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| 21:05 | "change this file: ‘/usr/share/ltsp/plugins/ltsp-build-client/Ubuntu/020-kernel-selection’. I removed 2 times ‘-pae’ in the kernel selection. Seems to install by default the pae kernel. Removing this ended with an install of non-pae kernel for the thin clients."
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| 21:05 | on https://projectzme.wordpress.com/2013/01/06/setting-up-an-ubuntu-thin-client-server/
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| 21:06 | but maybe I have to do something after that?
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| 21:06 | cause it doesn't work :(
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| 21:10 | ||cw: oh I see that you need to use same arch as your client
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| 21:10 | is that correct?
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| 21:11 | <||cw> not sure, that guide is really old though
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| 21:16 | I can tell you though, clients that did not have CPU pae support did not perform well for me. I did get one to work once, but it was unacceptable
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| 21:17 | <Maijin> ||cw: héhé, is refurbish clients for association
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| 21:17 | we are creating a small edubuntu stuff for school in the Philippines
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| 21:17 | that's all we got yet
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| 21:18 | <||cw> there was one I even had to compile my own kernel for, ubuntu has made some really questionable cpu support choices
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| 21:19 | <Maijin> But if it's the problem with the server
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| 21:19 | then I'll need to reinstall it with forcepae
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| 21:19 | and it should then work
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| 21:19 | right now is x64
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| 21:19 | <||cw> one SoC in fact they finally included the LAN driver for (the support ticket to add it mentioned this SoC) and in the same built they also started requiring a CPU feature the SoC didn't have.
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| 21:21 | I've done x64 server, it works, you just have to make sure you set arch right all the time, and of course any custom compiles for the client image becomes a pain
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| 21:21 | <Maijin> If it's confirm that I can use a x64 server and a non pae client
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| 21:21 | I'll need then to know what to do
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| 21:23 | <||cw> does this apply?
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| 21:23 | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PAE
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| 21:23 | you might be able to just change up the pxe config to add the flag
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