IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 15 May 2016 (all times are UTC)
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| 16:56 | <MrMoe_> Hello everyone
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| 16:57 | Can someone help me decide if linuz is something for me? I know there are plenty of pages and forums but they havent covered my previous problems with linux
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| 17:03 | <quinox> This isn't a general Linux issue, but ok
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| 17:03 | what problems do you want to solve with linux, and what problems did you have ?
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| 17:05 | <MrMoe_> after a while after i use linux my computer breaks. twice it happened that i couldnt boot up anymore... I read that this could have been caused by heat based hardware damage
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| 17:06 | <sbalneav> Define "couldn't boot up anymore"?
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| 17:06 | Like, no bios, no post?
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| 17:06 | Or just the operating system wouldn't load?
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| 17:06 | <quinox> Unfortunately Linux won't be able to fix dead hardware :)
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| 17:07 | <MrMoe_> It would start booting up and then just turn off after a few seconds. it got to the stage where i go to the boot menu
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| 17:07 | <quinox> Could also be a failing power supply unit
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| 17:07 | <sbalneav> If your computer is functionioning properly, linux won't "break" it. It's just software.
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| 17:07 | <quinox> no OS would be able to deal with that
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| 17:08 | <sbalneav> If you have a failing PSU, or insufficient heatsinking on the CPU, or a host of other problems, that's a hardware related issue.
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| 17:08 | And *any* operating system you care to load won't solve that.
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| 17:12 | <MrMoe_> im sorry for beein so poorly read on the topic (regular win user) but how did i cause it? i used mint like win and only used the comand line for my documents and installing programs
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| 17:12 | <quinox> decay of the universe
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| 17:13 | hardware expires, if you're lucky it's dead-dead, if you're unlucky it will show random failures
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| 17:13 | it happens independent of what OS you're running
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| 17:16 | <MrMoe_> hmm it happened to me on two different machines. but i guess i was just unlucky :)
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| 17:17 | <sbalneav> Where did you buy the machines?
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| 17:17 | <MrMoe_> normal computer store in sweden
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| 17:17 | <sbalneav> How old are they when they died?
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| 17:18 | <MrMoe_> the last one was 2,5 years old when i changed to linux and 3 when it died
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| 17:19 | it got pretty how if i remember correctly
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| 17:19 | <sbalneav> Sounds about right. 3 years on a consumer grade desktop's about the best you can expect these days.
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| 17:22 | <MrMoe_> alright :) maybe im stepping out of line but would you recommend me to try linux again? Im a logistics student and just need my pc for writing and reading documents and want to speed up my computer (perhaps learn more how computers work)
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| 17:22 | anyhow thank you a lot for answering and helping
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| 17:23 | <sbalneav> No. I've used Linux exclusively as a desktop for 20+ years, but I do not recommend anyone to use it as a desktop.
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| 17:24 | Unless you know what you are doing, or are willing to invest the time and effort to learn, you are wasting your time, and leading yourself to frustrtation.
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| 17:24 | <quinox> Linux is annoying, Windows is annoying, OSX is annoying... they all suck
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| 17:25 | <sbalneav> Windows is like a Hyundai. Ugly and slow, but doesn't require you to make a huge knowledge investment.
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| 17:25 | <quinox> if you want to play with go nuts - you can setup dual boot to keep some choice
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| 17:26 | <sbalneav> Linux is like a jetfighter: it can be VERY fast and VERY good at what it does, but the level of committment to becom profficient at it is far beyond what most people will be willing to invest.
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| 17:26 | <quinox> Although I haven't been able to get Window to boot from Grub thanks to UEFI secure boot
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| 17:26 | <sbalneav> Unless you're willing to invest the time and effort to become a jetfighter pilot, I would suggest happily driving your Hyundai.
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| 17:27 | <quinox> it helps to have a friend nearby with Linux experience
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| 17:28 | Googling for solutions can get very annoying and time intensive
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| 17:28 | there's also VirtualBox, then you can keep your Windows and still play with linux
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| 17:29 | <MrMoe_> mhh i dont have one unfortunately... but i am really frustrated with my slow pc and the constant forced updates mid work.
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| 17:29 | <quinox> but unless there's a specific problem you're trying to solve it might just be a "meh" experience
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| 17:29 | Get an SSD, your speed problems should be fixed
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| 17:30 | <MrMoe_> got a ssd for the start up process in this one but its still a drag somehow when booted
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| 17:34 | but thanks for the help guys! i almost got into linux again with wrong expectations
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| 17:50 | <quinox> 20+ years is quite a while
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| 17:50 | I'm at 13 now I think
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| 18:19 | <sbalneav> I got my first linux distro in fall of '93
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| 18:19 | Ditched windows at home in '95
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| 18:20 | But I already knew Unix, so it wasn't that hard for me.
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| 18:20 | Been using Unix since '85 or so.
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| 18:21 | <maldridge> I think I'm coming up on 15 years of linux, much more than that wouldn't have been practical since touch typing is kind of necessary
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| 18:22 | props for having been on a Unix system since the 80s sbalneav
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| 18:24 | <sbalneav> My first email used UUCP bangpaths :D
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| 18:25 | <maldridge> nice, I think the oldest one I've still got active is @sbcglobal.net
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| 19:40 | <rrd> Ola! Boys and girls, wifi doesn't work when set to external zone.
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| 19:41 | Is there a service that I must allow under yast firewall?
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| 19:42 | Running an Atom 330 with Nvidia ION, 250 HD, and 2 gig of ram
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| 19:43 | Wifi works fine if I set it to internal, but I have my eth0 set for internal network....
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| 19:46 | <rrd> Trying to set up LTSP on PC with with Edu L-i-f-e installed.
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| 23:02 | <sbalneav> vagrantc: https://code.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/+git/libpam-external
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| 23:08 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: what's it do? :)
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| 23:11 | <sbalneav> libpam-external and libnss-external are my magnum opus.
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| 23:11 | They are modules that allow you to do NSS and PAM functions using external programs
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| 23:12 | That can be written in anything.
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| 23:12 | C
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| 23:12 | Python
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| 23:12 | Sh
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| 23:12 | etc.
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| 23:30 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: is this in addition, or instead of libpam-sshauth + pam_exec?
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| 23:31 | <sbalneav> I'm not sure yet.
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| 23:31 | Here's my thought.
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| 23:31 | libssh2 is also available as python bindings.
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| 23:32 | If we reduce the C code down to a general purpose shim which can act as an intermediary between an external program and pam, it means we could do the actual ssh stuff in python, which means less complicated C code to maintain.
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| 23:32 | Plus, it's a useful tool for the internet at large.
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| 23:34 | <vagrantc> sounds reasonably good in theory :)
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| 23:34 | as long as the libssh2 python bindings are good enough
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| 23:54 | <sbalneav> Well, we shall see :D
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