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Channel log from 26 September 2007 (all times are UTC)
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| 03:56 | <bobnormal> hey i've got a boot to kdm working with my first ltsp setup (4.2, on gentoo), but having problems debugging why post-login i get thrown back to kdm
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| 03:57 | <sep> bobnormal, can you login on a console ? often it's missing or wrong permissions on homedir,
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| 03:58 | <bobnormal> lemme double check... yep, i can login over ssh no worries
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| 03:58 | ahh, i get a .xsession errors file saying 'startkde' couldnt be found
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| 03:58 | i guess thats an optional package
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| 03:59 | im trying to set up the architecture for a call center
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| 03:59 | anyone else done ltsp+voip before? i found one article online about it, thats all
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| 04:00 | is ltsp 4.2 ok for sound?
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| 04:10 | <dberkholz> you really might want to try ltsp5 on ubuntu or debian, it's a lot better supported
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| 04:13 | <bobnormal> dberkholz: damn
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| 04:13 | dberkholz: you were supposed to be the developer guy making it happen
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| 04:13 | dberkholz: how much work is there left to do? can i help?
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| 04:13 | <dberkholz> bobnormal: ltsp5? sure. slowly, in my spare time from other gentoo stuff, which is all in my spare time from real life. =)
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| 04:14 | bobnormal: there's a fair bit left to do. if you are very familiar with bash and gentoo-style init scripts, you might be able to help
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| 04:14 | <bobnormal> dberkholz: yep, i've rewritten some to make them multi (eg: openvpn)
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| 04:15 | <dberkholz> i'm just starting to get a little cynical, because i've pointed about 10 people at something to do, and none of them have come back with anything yet
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| 04:15 | ping me sometime tomorrow and i'll give you more info
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| 04:15 | i'm just going to bed, it's 2am here
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| 04:15 | <bobnormal> ok cool
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| 04:16 | enjoy your sleep :)
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| 04:22 | <doggkatcha> cyberorg, is the ltsp5 implementation in 10.3 safe for production?
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| 04:22 | <cyberorg> doggkatcha, not yet :)
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| 04:26 | <cyberorg> doggkatcha, try it out and if it works for you, use it ;)
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| 04:27 | <doggkatcha> cyberorg, ok. another question how can i get the suse bootsplash in 4.2?
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| 04:29 | <cyberorg> doggkatcha, that is the part of initrd, 4.2 has not been developed for last 2 years, so not even sure it supports bootsplash
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| 04:29 | it is possible on kiwi-ltsp
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| 06:14 | <cyberorg> ogra, around? i need help in understanding how ltspfs 0.5 works
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| 06:15 | <ogra> cyberorg, sbalneav is your man then, i'm building an edubuntu betarelease atm, no time here
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| 06:16 | <cyberorg> ogra, oki, will catch him, i'll try and figure it out in the mean time :)
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| 07:44 | <cliebow> weehee!!
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| 08:05 | <sbalneav> Morning all
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| 08:09 | <ogra> !s
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| 08:09 | <ltspbot`> ogra: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 08:20 | <masus> hi all
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| 08:26 | <sbalneav> Morning ogra!
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| 08:45 | <rjune_> !s
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| 08:45 | <ltspbot`> rjune_: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 10:39 | <evarlast> anyone using ltsp for non-terminal, small cluster mpich stuff?
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| 10:55 | <sbalneav> evarlast: I know lots of people have tried.
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| 10:55 | <evarlast> lol.
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| 10:55 | and failed?
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| 10:56 | i just found out that mpich in ubuntu/debian is WAY older than I need. so I'm going to use existing cluster filesystems and try to let ltsp handle just the boot stuff - but point to my own nfs root.
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| 10:56 | later I can package more modern mpich and submit that
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| 10:57 | <sbalneav> You'd probably have an easier time just packaging the mpich, and installing it in ltsp5
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| 10:59 | <joebob777as7> sbalneav, i'm getting reports of log out issues for the server i set up for my office.. had any issues? they say when they click the log out button it doesn't do anything
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| 10:59 | <sbalneav> Got any dead bug-buddies in the background?
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| 10:59 | <joebob777as7> ?
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| 11:00 | <evarlast> probably, but since I'm clueless and at a clients, I'm gonna try this first.
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| 11:00 | <sbalneav> joebob777as7: ps -ef | grep bug-buddy
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| 11:01 | <joebob777as7> i'll look it's an hour away. I'll be there tomorrow.
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| 11:06 | sbalneav, what if there are?
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| 11:19 | <evarlast> enabling universe in ltsp? good? bad? no biggie?
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| 13:21 | <j0ebaker> I have a thin client that isn't booting very far. I ran module-assist to install kqemu earlier.
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| 13:22 | seems to load the kernel fine.
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| 13:23 | Then prints a bunch of stuff, and stops at an ethernet type message talking about mtu 1500 auto negociating.
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| 13:24 | Outch... Sorry. It just made it past that point and we have a login screen.
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| 13:24 | All is good :)
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| 13:44 | <Guaraldo> j0ebaker: ...
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| 13:48 | <evarlast> cluster stufs is coming along :)
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| 13:48 | non-terminal ltsp
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| 13:48 | ;p
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| 13:53 | <Guaraldo> sbalneav: Are you there?
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| 13:54 | sbalneav: Some problema on LTSP-Devices with rdesktop (LTSP4.2) mounts... can you help me?
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| 13:57 | <Guaraldo> sbalneav: Can you help me?
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| 13:58 | sbalneav: Pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeasssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssse....
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| 13:58 | <vagrantc> Guaraldo: gadi is the master of rdesktop with LTSP
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| 13:58 | <Guaraldo> vagrantc: Oh... thanks...
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| 13:59 | Gadi: Are you there? I need some help with LTSP-Devices with rdesktop (LTSP4.2) mounts... CD-ROMs are not ejectable...
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| 14:00 | <Gadi> Guaraldo: I am actually bouncing between a bunch of things atm, but are you using this:http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/WorkInProgress#LTSP_4_2_RDP_localdev
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| 14:01 | <evarlast> where is the prefered place to set USE_LOCAL_SWAP ?
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| 14:02 | <vagrantc> evarlast: lts.conf
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| 14:04 | <Guaraldo> No, Gadi... I'm use LTSP with a kind of dual boot LTSP system... We made a script to choose OS, so it goes by XDMCP (Linux) or Rdesktop...
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| 14:05 | Local Devices may work on both systems...
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| 14:05 | <Gadi> then, what mounts your local devices for rdesktop?
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| 14:05 | <Guaraldo> Its working grate on XDMCP... But on Rdesktop it mounts, you can use CD-ROM, but you cant eject CD-ROM to use another one...
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| 14:06 | the option -r of rdesktop
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| 14:06 | <evarlast> vagrantc: TY
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| 14:07 | <ogra> vagrantc, i had to move the exports plugin from common to Debian today
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| 14:07 | <j0ebaker> evarlast... OK you've peaked my interest. Is stufs some sort of OpenMosix clustering distro?
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| 14:07 | <Gadi> Guaraldo: are you running rdesktop from the server or from the client as a screen script?
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| 14:07 | <ogra> it breaks if /etc/exports is nonexistent or nfs-kernel-server isnt there you probably want to add some error catching to it for debian :)
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| 14:08 | <Guaraldo> Gadi: from the client as a screen script?
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| 14:08 | Ops.. I mean : Gadi: from the client as a screen script!
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| 14:08 | <vagrantc> ogra: hmmm... i think it would still belong in common, but with better error checking and if you're building an nfs root
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| 14:08 | <ogra> yeah
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| 14:08 | <Gadi> Guaraldo: then, you prolly want to use the package I linked to above
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| 14:08 | <ogra> i had to move it since it broke my CDs and that was the fastest
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| 14:09 | <Guaraldo> Ok... I'll try...
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| 14:09 | Will it change the lbus system, Gadi?
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| 14:10 | <evarlast> j0ebaker: no, just doing mpich massively parallel computations, but using LTSP for cluster management
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| 14:10 | <Gadi> Guaraldo: it will run lubssd and ltspfs locally on the thin client
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| 14:10 | then, you modify the scren script to do: -r disk:drives=/Drives
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| 14:10 | <evarlast> vagrantc: I don't see where lts.conf is read in S32ltsp-client-setup. I'm using ubuntu.
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| 14:11 | <ogra> evarlast, if make a plugin out of it, we could add it as an option to ltsp-build-client ;)
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| 14:11 | <Gadi> the ltspfs-mounted drives should be in /Drives
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| 14:11 | on the client
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| 14:11 | <ogra> evarlast, which release is that ?
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| 14:11 | <evarlast> ogra: for mosix, sure.
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| 14:11 | <Guaraldo> Gadi: /tmp/drives
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| 14:11 | <evarlast> fiesty/feisty
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| 14:11 | <Gadi> Guaraldo: no, /Drives
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| 14:11 | <ogra> ah, k
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| 14:11 | <Guaraldo> LTSP 4.2
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| 14:11 | <Gadi> once the package is installed
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| 14:11 | <ogra> gutsy can read lts.conf from the tftp dir
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| 14:12 | <Gadi> the package will make an ltspfs mount from /Drives/<media> to /tmp/drives<media>
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| 14:12 | <vagrantc> evarlast: it's read in the . ...../ltsp_config stuff
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| 14:12 | <Gadi> so, you want to redirect /Drives
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| 14:12 | <evarlast> vagrantc: thanks.
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| 14:15 | <Guaraldo> Gadi: Well, let me understand... LocalDev is working fine on my clients... When using XDMCP it works fine, my rdesktop screen script is with the option -r disk:drives=/tmp/drives.
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| 14:16 | <Gadi> Guaraldo: in that configuration, you would be required to login to X, access a local drive, and then switch over to rdesktop to see it
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| 14:16 | not very practical
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| 14:16 | <Guaraldo> I can read CD-ROMs and penDrives in my Windows terminals, but I can't eject them...
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| 14:17 | <Gadi> you should not be able to see the pen drives if you only log into windows and not linux
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| 14:17 | try it
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| 14:17 | if you can, you are not using ltspfs
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| 14:17 | <Guaraldo> well... It calls xinit and run rdesktop on the client...
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| 14:17 | <Gadi> right. but when you plug in the pen drive, it will not be mounted automatically
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| 14:18 | ltspfs mounts it upon use
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| 14:18 | <rjune_> Gadi !
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| 14:18 | <Guaraldo> Gadi: Hummm... I changed ltsp-devices.sh to auto mount any device...
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| 14:18 | <Gadi> so, if you just redirect /tmp/drives to rdesktop, you'll get a bunch of empty directories
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| 14:19 | ah, well, now ur breaking things ;)
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| 14:19 | <Guaraldo> Gadi: Hehehehehehehehe...
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| 14:19 | <Gadi> with the above package, it will set up ltspfs mounts from the client to itself
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| 14:19 | that way, the drives are unmounted when not in use
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| 14:20 | (which solves ur eject probs)
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| 14:20 | hi, rjune, btw
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| 14:20 | <Guaraldo> Gadi: Now I can understand what is happening...
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| 14:20 | <Gadi> just typing fast
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| 14:21 | <evarlast> is it me, or is ltsp docs lacking a bit?
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| 14:22 | <Guaraldo> Will it change something on the Linux envoriment, Gadi? I mean, the ltspfs that is working fine on Linux terminals will still work fine?
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| 14:22 | <Gadi> Guaraldo: it hould :)
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| 14:22 | er, should
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| 14:22 | <Guaraldo> Gadi: Ok...
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| 14:22 | <Gadi> jammcq wrote lbus to allow multiple connections from different servers
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| 14:23 | <Guaraldo> Gadi: Thanks...
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| 14:23 | <sbalneav> Guaraldo: hello, was afk
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| 14:23 | <Gadi> good luck
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| 14:23 | and when in doubt, test ! :)
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| 14:23 | <evarlast> I can't find how to nfs mount /home in 5.x.
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| 14:24 | <sbalneav> evarlast: Well, the 4.2 docs are fairly complete, and the ltsp5 docs are fairly complete in the edubuntu handbook.
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| 14:24 | <ogra> evarlast, one of the initscripts creates the fstab ...
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| 14:24 | <sbalneav> !handbook
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| 14:24 | <ltspbot`> sbalneav: Error: "handbook" is not a valid command.
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| 14:24 | <ogra> evarlast, just add it there
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| 14:24 | <evarlast> ogra: exactly, I found that. I didn't like the idea of adding it there.
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| 14:24 | ok, I'll just add there.
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| 14:24 | <sbalneav> Don't we have a factoid for that?
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| 14:24 | !topics
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| 14:24 | <evarlast> I just fear it getting overwritten.
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| 14:24 | <ltspbot`> sbalneav: "topics" is To get a list of topics, type ltspbot: factoids search --values
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| 14:24 | <sbalneav> factoids search --values
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| 14:25 | ltspbot`: factoids search --values
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| 14:25 | <ltspbot`> sbalneav: 'ltsp', 'sbalneav', 'icewm', 'frappr', 'wiki', 'debian', 'edubuntu', 'dhcpd', 'greyscreen', 'ltsp42', 'localdev', 'localdev', 'localdev', 'localdev', 'checklist', 'muekow', 'bestltspdistro', 'serversize', 'wireless', 'sound', 'topics', 'integration', 'lts.conf', 'pastebot', 'bootfloppy', 'ltsp5', 'tarball', 'download', 'monkeys', 'ogra', 'nfs', 'nfsnotresp', 'js', 's', (1 more message)
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| 14:25 | <ogra> evarlast, i have a patch in launchpad for that since ages but that requires some extra changes like nfs-common being istalled in the chroot
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| 14:25 | <sbalneav> guess not.
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| 14:26 | <evarlast> ogra: I just think it would be nice to merge fstab from a file if needed
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| 14:26 | <ogra> evarlast, well, that patch allows EXTRAMOUNT=""
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| 14:27 | you can put a line for fstab into it
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| 14:27 | <evarlast> cool
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| 14:27 | EXTRAMOUNT[0-9]
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| 14:27 | :)
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| 14:27 | <ogra> would be trivial to make it EXTRAMOUNT_01 EXTRAMOUNT_0*
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| 14:27 | yeah
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| 14:28 | <sbalneav> ltspbot`: learn handbook as The edubuntu handbook is the best source of LTSP5 documentation. You can find it at: http://doc.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/handbook/C/
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| 14:28 | <ltspbot`> sbalneav: The operation succeeded.
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| 14:28 | <sbalneav> !handbook
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| 14:28 | <ltspbot`> sbalneav: "handbook" is The edubuntu handbook is the best source of LTSP5 documentation. You can find it at: http://doc.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/handbook/C/
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| 14:31 | <j0ebaker> A user here notices that her Ubuntu session is faster on Windows 98 with NoMachine than on a Thin Client running startx.
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| 14:32 | <j0ebaker> The computer is an old Pentium 400 mhz. It has an early nvidia chipset, but because it isn't supported well by the nv driver
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| 14:32 | I usually tell it to use vesa driver.
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| 14:32 | <evarlast> j0ebaker: TNT or ealier even?
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| 14:32 | <j0ebaker> So this makes me want to get nxclient working again.
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| 14:33 | I do think it said something about tnt.
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| 14:33 | <evarlast> j0ebaker: I had one of those :)
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| 14:34 | <j0ebaker> I have lots of them. We got them for like $20 each without hard drives.
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| 14:35 | Probably 10 of them.
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| 14:35 | Maybe I should just get video cards for them.
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| 14:38 | <sbalneav> The problem I have with NX is all the load it puts on the server/
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| 14:38 | That and the fact it's non Free
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| 14:38 | <ogra> and badly duplicating all of xorg
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| 14:39 | <sbalneav> heh
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| 14:39 | <ogra> so no way to have security support for it ever
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| 14:39 | <sbalneav> that as well.
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| 14:39 | Overall, I'd say 10 cheap video cards off ebay would be the better solution.
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| 14:43 | <evarlast> i miss LBX.
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| 14:43 | why they removed LBX from xorg is beyond me.
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| 14:43 | used to really speed up my X
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| 14:58 | <evarlast> I'm confused and I can't find where x is started :(
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| 14:59 | <loather-work> nobody knew lbx existed, for the most part
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| 14:59 | i thought it was awesome
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| 14:59 | someone in xorg probably did something to break it and didn't want to fix it
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| 14:59 | so they removed it instead :(
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| 15:00 | although, i would like to get NX working. There's FreeNX, which is free for the server part
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| 15:00 | but I don't think there exists a free client just yet
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| 15:00 | you still have to use the whats-its-nuts client from that one company to really be able to use it
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| 15:03 | <ogra> loather-work, that doesnt solve the code duplication issues in XN ... freenx has the same issues here
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| 15:04 | *NX
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| 15:27 | <loather-work> ogra: well, that part notwithstanding
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| 15:27 | i'm not a fan of code duplication either
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| 15:30 | <evarlast> from where is ldm launched?
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| 15:35 | <sbalneav> From the screen-script, which is launched from the rcfiles.
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| 15:39 | <evarlast> tahnk you.
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| 15:39 | i never would have found that.
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| 15:43 | so I can disable X, just by adding SCREEN_01=shell to lts.conf
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| 15:44 | <sbalneav> yep
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| 15:44 | <evarlast> very nice.
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| 15:44 | took me a while to find, but very nice indeed.
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| 15:49 | <loather-work> is there an easy way to tell the autoconfig thing in 4.2 to *not* put any hsync/vsync ranges in for my monitor?
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| 15:49 | i'd rather have that stuff autoprobed
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| 16:00 | <sbalneav> loather-work: No, 4.2 didn't do any autoprobing
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| 16:00 | it's a completely constructed file.
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| 16:01 | You'd have to modify the build_x4_something (can't remember) to have it sub in to use the autodetected valies.
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| 16:07 | <loather-work> sbalneav: ah, ok. lemme see what i can do about that. I might steal the code from 5 to autoprobe the monitor (if I can figure out where it's doing that).
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| 16:16 | <sbalneav> If you're using 4.2, it's an older version of X that doesn't have much of the X11R7 autoprobing goodies in it. Forewarned is forarmed.
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| 16:17 | Heading home for the day, be on later tonight.
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| 20:15 | <loather-work> so. How do you autoprobe a monitor for its sync ranges?
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| 22:07 | <jammcq> hey kidz
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| 23:25 | <Joebob777as_7m> /join ##linux
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