IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 5 April 2011 (all times are UTC)
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| 03:57 | <andygraybeal> morrninging
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| 05:05 | <_UsUrPeR_> goooood morning
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| 05:08 | <mgariepy> good morning _UsUrPeR_
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| 05:09 | how do you do ?
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| 05:22 | <andygraybeal> :)
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| 05:22 | i need help configuring my system to to be an ldap client; how do i go abuot doing this? is there documentation?
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| 05:22 | i'm reading this: https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/serverguide/C/openldap-server.html
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| 05:23 | it says for the client, that i should install libnss-ldap and reconfigure ldap-auth-config; then run pam-auth-update
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| 05:24 | is this how everyone is doing this?
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| 05:24 | i feel so left out.
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| 05:25 | <mgariepy> andygraybeal, you need to configure the ltsp server to authenticate on ldap
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| 05:26 | <andygraybeal> is there any documentation to do this?
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| 05:26 | i'm fully clueless
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| 05:26 | <muppis> I did it with this http://www.opinsys.fi/en/setting-up-openldap-on-ubuntu-10-04-alpha2
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| 05:26 | <andygraybeal> okay thank you
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| 05:26 | <evil_root> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSP-Cluster_NAT_OpenLDAP
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| 05:26 | andygraybeal scroll down to Let ltsp-appserv01 use OpenLDAP server
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| 05:26 | <andygraybeal> evil_root, that document is so confusing
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| 05:27 | evil_root, aah okay thank you
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| 05:27 | <evil_root> do you already have a running ldap server andygraybeal
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| 05:27 | <andygraybeal> yes, ldap server is running; it has groups and users
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| 05:27 | i'm so confused about PAM and home folders and things
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| 05:28 | <evil_root> ok yea then run the like 5 commands in the section Let ltsp-appserv01 use OpenLDAP server
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| 05:28 | <andygraybeal> okay thank you, i will read
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| 05:28 | <evil_root> np
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| 05:28 | <evil_root> oh and dont forget /etc/init.d/nscd restart after your done
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| 05:29 | <andygraybeal> evil, okay
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| 05:29 | how do home folders get configured?
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| 05:30 | i'm sorry my brain is so dense and dull with all of this
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| 05:30 | <evil_root> depends where you are storing the users home folders
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| 05:30 | <andygraybeal> okay
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| 05:30 | i do see the 'automatic' home folder creation
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| 05:30 | right before the nscd restart
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| 05:31 | i'm so scared to do this.
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| 05:31 | evil_root and muppis thank you
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| 05:31 | <evil_root> are you storing the home folders on the server the clients are authentication to, or are they on a separate nfs server
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| 05:32 | <andygraybeal> i would like to have them on a seperate NFS server, i'm still trying to get the NFS server to auth with LDAP .... so i'm getting ahead of myself
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| 05:32 | but i think for the most part you hashed out the problem with LTSP and LDAP for me
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| 05:32 | <evil_root> ok, if you need help with the nfs let me know, clustering is much fun :)
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| 05:33 | <andygraybeal> oh i would love to cluster
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| 05:33 | and use nfs thank you for the offer.
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| 05:34 | on the opinsys.fi article, it says to also install libmap-ldapd along with libnss-ldapd ... this is the first time i've seen this mentioned when reading how to configure ubuntu to connect to ldap server
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| 05:35 | <evil_root> are you sure they didn't mean libpam-ldapd? or can i get a link to the article?
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| 05:38 | <andygraybeal> ah pam
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| 05:38 | i'm on drugs.. caffiene
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| 05:38 | your right and link is...
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| 05:38 | http://www.opinsys.fi/en/setting-up-openldap-on-ubuntu-10-04-alpha2
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| 05:39 | i type crap like that backwards too often
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| 05:40 | <evil_root> lol its ok i am ok pot, and none of my servers or clients have libpam-ldapd installed but they do have libpam-ldap installed
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| 05:40 | * evil_root is reading that article now | |
| 05:41 | <evil_root> and i am not sure what the difference is between libpam-ldapd and libpam-ldap
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| 05:42 | <andygraybeal> yea, i'm not going to read into it too much - i'm gonna stick with the url you gave me; i've read that one before.. i just couldn't seperate it out enough to make senes
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| 05:42 | *senes
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| 05:42 | sense
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| 05:43 | <evil_root> ok cool
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| 05:43 | <andygraybeal> thanks again
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| 05:43 | <_UsUrPeR_> mgariepy: sorry. was away. I am doing well thanks
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| 05:49 | <mgariepy> _UsUrPeR_, no problem :) I don't usually expect to have an answer right away on irc ;)
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| 08:01 | <sidartha> does anyone know how to execute a command from the server to a thin client machine? I want to set up a script to have firefox launch after specific times
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| 08:01 | <alkisg> Launch firefox on the logged on user account?
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| 08:01 | That then runs on the server, not on the client
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| 08:03 | <sidartha> no I have it set up to run as a local app. I want to launch "ltsp-localapps firefox -url somewbsite.org"
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| 08:06 | basically I am already doing this thru italc. But I want to set it up as a cronjob on the server.
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| 08:07 | <alkisg> sidartha: you can set up a cron job on the server that sees the logged on users, finds out their DISPLAYs and XAUTHORITYies from /proc/xx/environ, and then executes ltsp-localapps for them.
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| 08:08 | You don't need to execute stuff on the thin client, let ltsp-localapps to do that, so that it's part of their session
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| 08:12 | <sidartha> I dont know how to do that. Do you know any links that might point me in the right direction?
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| 08:16 | <alkisg> No, I don't know of any links specifically for that script. It's just shell scripting though, so any tutorials should do.
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| 08:17 | If you don't manage to do it, ping me later on, I might find some time to make you a basic script for that
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| 08:17 | <sidartha> thanks.
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| 08:21 | <andygraybeal> sidartha, i can't help, but i wonder why are you doing this? what is the purpose. i'm interested.
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| 08:44 | <ska> Is it possible to get a vnc session to a terminial w/o having vnc server on the terminal? Can I connect to the X sesssion directly to the server?
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| 08:53 | <alkisg> ska: you can set $DISPLAY and $XAUTHORITY and then run vnc-server yourself, or a screen capturing utility. But that doesn't sound easier than running a vnc server on the user session :)
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| 09:13 | <alkisg> sidartha: try this "ltspexec" script, it supposedly executes a command on all connected ltsp users: http://pastebin.com/edzwTFjz
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| 09:15 | <ska> alkisg: I have to drive 100 miles to install the images on the user clients :(
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| 09:17 | <ska> alkisg: would I need to re-start the client-user sessions in order to do it?
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| 09:21 | <alkisg> ska: what images? if you have remote access to execute commands on them, why drive?
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| 09:21 | It depends on how you run the vnc server or whatever else
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| 09:21 | Maybe describing your situation in more detail will help
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| 09:23 | <ska> ok.. thanks.
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| 09:24 | alkisg: I'm not running ltsp though.. Im doing XDM using thinstation.
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| 09:24 | <alkisg> ok
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| 09:24 | <ska> I came here since ltsp is similar and there are many users.
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| 10:05 | <andygraybeal> evil_root, or anyone, i want to re-set up my ltsp server and this time put home directories on an NFS share, how does this work? does it get defined in LDAP?
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| 10:06 | <evil_root> your user home directory location is determined by ldap, but you can either directly connect your client to the nfs server or connect your ltsp server to the nfs server
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| 10:07 | like the system veriable for the user's home directory it gets from ldap, but the actual nfs connection is either done on the client or on the ltsp sever, if that makes better sense
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| 10:08 | <andygraybeal> okay so on the ltsp server's fstab, i would just have it mount an nfs share, correct? and this would be regardless if anyone was logged in at all.
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| 10:08 | <evil_root> if you using thin clients, yes andygraybeal
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| 10:09 | <andygraybeal> k, i'm using thin clients
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| 11:19 | <dan_l> alkisg: A week ago you suggested I use local homes and users to avoid problems with syncing and cleanup. Can you advise me how to do this?
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| 11:23 | alkisg: this is in reference to the project I discussed in http://pastebin.com/S8iwZdpv
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| 11:39 | <alkisg> dan_l: so to sum up, you're using a local firefox and you want to have a clear /home on each login?
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| 11:40 | <dan_l> that's correct
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| 11:40 | <alkisg> And the users authenticate with ldm? Or they login without it and authenticate later with a card or something?
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| 11:41 | Ah you mention an xdialog prompt. That suggests you're not using ldm
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| 11:42 | <dan_l> the users are authenticated against a separate db. The workstation is autlogged and the user is then requested to authenticate with a pin
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| 11:42 | we are using ldm
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| 11:42 | <alkisg> The users don't see ldm. Right?
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| 11:42 | <dan_l> They don't see ldm
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| 11:43 | <alkisg> OK. So you have something like a kiosk setup, but with an xdialog before launching firefox
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| 11:43 | <dan_l> yes
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| 11:46 | <alkisg> A local home would impose some restrictions. E.g. if the user saved a 1 GB file from firefox, it would waste the local RAM
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| 11:46 | You could use nbd-client to mount a /home exported from the server with nbd-server -c (cow) though
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| 11:46 | <dan_l> right - that would not work for us. Workstatiosn have only 1G
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| 11:47 | <alkisg> This way anything saved to the /home on the client would go to a temporary file on the server
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| 11:47 | And it's even automatically cleaned if the connection is broken
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| 11:47 | <dan_l> that sounds good
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| 11:47 | some docs?
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| 11:47 | <alkisg> And it can be used by multiple users without problems, as it's a block export
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| 11:47 | man nbd-server?
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| 11:48 | <dan_l> I'll get to work - thanks
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| 11:48 | are there any known problems with gvfs
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| 11:48 | <alkisg> nbd-server is a block device, so usually programs do not even "see" that it's a network device
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| 11:48 | <dan_l> my rsync scripts fail because of permission changes that occur with .gvfs
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| 11:49 | <alkisg> You don't even need rsync as any changes get discarded when the connection breaks
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| 11:49 | You just need a screen.d script instead of ldm
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| 11:50 | That unmounts /home, if already mounted, remounts it via nbd-client, and presents the xdialog to the user
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| 11:50 | No rsync or cleaning involved
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| 11:50 | And no ram wasted
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| 11:50 | <dan_l> that sounds great - is there an example screen.d script around?
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| 11:51 | <alkisg> ls /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/ltsp/screen.d/
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| 11:53 | <dan_l> ok - I've got enough to play with now - many thanks alkisg
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| 11:53 | <alkisg> You're welcome
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| 12:31 | <alkisg> sidartha: you're welcome
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| 12:32 | sidartha: don't forget that it's outside the user "session" though, no access to dbus etc
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| 12:32 | You'd need to set more env vars for that
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| 12:32 | <dan_l> alkisg: using the nbd mount method you described could a user still mount and write to a usb key?
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| 12:33 | <alkisg> dan_l: the way you describe it, I'd start from the kiosk plugin
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| 12:33 | The kiosk plugin works like fat clients, so USB sticks are local devices easily mounted
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| 12:33 | <dan_l> thanks
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| 12:33 | <alkisg> No localdev, localapps or any other ltsp magic involved
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| 20:24 | <roasted_> Tomorrow I am moving my server from fat client to thin client. Would it be wise to build a new image (I figured I'd rename i386 and retain it and just rebuild a new thin image) or would it make more sense to add LTSP_FATCLIENT=false in LTS.conf?
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| 20:24 | If for some reason it would make sense torebuild an image, I can do it. I just wasnt sure if using LTSP_FATCLIENT=false was as efficient or if there was any issue with doing that.
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| 22:34 | <alkisg> dan_l: there's a problem with the nbd-server /home approach that I didn't think of yesterday, though. It's security: in this case /home would be unencrypted and over the network. So I don't think it's a good idea for a public library anymore.
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| 22:35 | (unless it's somehow tunneled via ssh)
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