IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 10 August 2019 (all times are UTC)
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| 04:34 | <alkisg> vagrantc: heya; I'm nearing the packaging step,
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| 04:34 | I'm thinking to add the debian/ folder upstream (as we ..painfully agreed :D), then use a PPA for both ubuntu and debian: https://github.com/ltsp/ltsp/wiki/ppa
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| 04:35 | ... and when you have free time, you can review and update etc etc and upload to experimental or testing, sounds ok?
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| 04:37 | <vagrantc> sounds ok
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| 04:37 | <alkisg> Great, ty :)
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| 04:37 | I'm thinking of having a single "ltsp" package, which will be the client,
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| 04:37 | while for the server installation, the command would be `apt install ltsp dnsmasq nfs-kernel-server`
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| 04:38 | <vagrantc> i haven't tried it yet, but there's apparently a git merge strategy to handle debian/changelog merges reasonably
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| 04:38 | <alkisg> Not providing a server package at this point has these benefits:
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| 04:38 | it allows the "ltsp" package to be available in repositories without updating people's ltsp-server or ltsp-client packages,
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| 04:39 | (even when it reaches testing or stable or ubuntu)
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| 04:39 | <vagrantc> hmmm...
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| 04:39 | <alkisg> and, the server dependencies have always been problematic; what is "ltsp-server-standalone"; maybe we should instead have:
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| 04:39 | ltsp-dnsmasq-nfs
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| 04:39 | or ltsp-isc-dhcp-tftpd-hpa
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| 04:39 | <vagrantc> heh
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| 04:40 | <alkisg> (ok of course not these exact names, but I mean, different metapackages for different common uses)
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| 04:40 | <vagrantc> back in the "good old days" what constituted an LTSP server was more straightforward...
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| 04:40 | <alkisg> I'm thinking we can translate that now to "different apt install lines"
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| 04:41 | E.g. someone may want ltsp and tftp, but nothing more
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| 04:41 | Or ltsp and nfs... etc etc, many combinations, as many services can be offered outside the ltsp server
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| 04:41 | And finally, about lts.conf, i'm in the last stages there too,
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| 04:42 | <vagrantc> i would miss being able to install a single package with all the defaults; having to install additional packages from documentation
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| 04:42 | <alkisg> We can talk about that when you review
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| 04:42 | About lts.conf: the initramfs ltsp.img image, contains all of /usr/share/ltsp and /etc/ltsp,
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| 04:42 | <vagrantc> having it not take over the ltsp-server/ltsp-client packages would allow them to coexist in the archive for some time
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| 04:43 | though i'm inclined to not have much transition period
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| 04:43 | <alkisg> (yeah that was the major benefit that made me like the idea)
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| 04:43 | ...which makes it very easy to include e.g. /etc/ltsp/xorg.conf-for-client1, in 1 second by running `ltsp initrd`,
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| 04:43 | ...so, the "specify a resolution" process now could be: create a xorg.conf and put a command to symlink it,
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| 04:44 | <vagrantc> we've already been keeping ltsp5 barely alive, including it in yet another LTS release means quite some additional years of support
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| 04:44 | <alkisg> like: POST_INIT_XORG="ln -sf /etc/ltsp/xorg.conf-for-client1 /etc/X11/xorg.conf"
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| 04:44 | I support PRE_APPLET and POST_APPLET commands for all ltsp applets/objects/commands
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| 04:44 | (boot phases)
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| 04:45 | So, what I'm saying is: at the first release, I will only offer these, and no lts.conf directives!
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| 04:45 | <vagrantc> i see
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| 04:45 | <alkisg> And we can slowly introduce them, one by one, considering which of them make sense in the "new world" and which not,
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| 04:45 | <vagrantc> sure
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| 04:45 | <alkisg> e.g. XRANDR_COMMAND doesn't make much sense in wayland...
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| 04:45 | <vagrantc> it's backwards compatibility breaking time :)
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| 04:45 | <alkisg> OK, great. So this will be the starting point, in 10 days or so
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| 04:45 | Hehe, yeah
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| 04:46 | <vagrantc> looking forward to it, definitely
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| 04:46 | <alkisg> bbiab
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| 04:57 | Back. vagrantc, another thing that I want to include in the announcement, is the replacement of the mailing lists with: https://github.com/ltsp/community/issues
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| 04:57 | So, anything ltsp5 releated will be in mailing lists, launchpad, ltsp.org
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| 04:57 | Any ltsp19 related things will be in github.com/ltsp and ltsp.github.io
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| 04:58 | <vagrantc> works for me
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| 04:58 | <alkisg> Nice, ty
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| 04:58 | <alkisg> Aaah how was this debconf?
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| 04:59 | <vagrantc> really good!
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| 04:59 | <alkisg> I missed 2 in a row now, I should definitively try to come to the next one!
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| 05:01 | <vagrantc> next will be relatively close for you
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| 15:04 | <alkisg> !install
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| 15:04 | <ltsp> install: http://wiki.ltsp.org/wiki/Installation/Ubuntu for Ubuntu, or http://wiki.ltsp.org/wiki/Installation for other distributions
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| 15:04 | <alkisg> !forget install
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| 15:04 | <ltsp> The operation succeeded.
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| 15:05 | <alkisg> !learn install as To install LTSP19+: https://github.com/ltsp/ltsp/wiki/installation. To install LTSP5: http://wiki.ltsp.org/wiki/Installation/Ubuntu for Ubuntu, or http://wiki.ltsp.org/wiki/Installation for other distributions
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| 15:05 | <ltsp> The operation succeeded.
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| 15:05 | <alkisg> !install
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| 15:05 | <ltsp> install: To install LTSP19+: https://github.com/ltsp/ltsp/wiki/installation. To install LTSP5: http://wiki.ltsp.org/wiki/Installation/Ubuntu for Ubuntu, or http://wiki.ltsp.org/wiki/Installation for other distributions
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| 15:08 | <alkisg> !instal
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| 15:08 | <ltsp> I do not know about 'instal', but I do know about these similar topics: 'install-localapp', 'install'
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| 20:26 | <alkisg> !migra
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| 20:26 | <ltsp> Error: "migra" is not a valid command.
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| 20:27 | <alkisg> !learn migration as https://github.com/ltsp/ltsp/wiki/migration may help LTSP5 users get oriented in the new LTSP concepts
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| 20:27 | <ltsp> The operation succeeded.
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| 20:29 | <alkisg> !ppa
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| 20:29 | <ltsp> I do not know about 'ppa', but I do know about these similar topics: 'sbalneav-ppa', 'greek-schools-ppa'
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| 20:30 | <alkisg> !learn ppa as https://github.com/ltsp/ltsp/wiki/ppa describes how Debian and Ubuntu users may add the upstream LTSP PPA to their sources, to be able to install LTSP
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| 20:30 | <ltsp> The operation succeeded.
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| 20:31 | <alkisg> !man
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| 20:31 | <ltsp> I do not know about 'man', but I do know about these similar topics: 'manual', 'ltsp-manager', 'ltsp-manager-source', 'INIT_COMMAND_SSH', 'INIT_COMMAND_EPOPTES', 'INIT_COMMAND_GUEST'
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| 20:31 | <alkisg> !learn man-pages as https://github.com/ltsp/ltsp/wiki/man-pages contains an index to the LTSP man pages
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| 20:31 | <ltsp> The operation succeeded.
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| 20:32 | <ogra> and what about the woman pages ???
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| 20:32 | * alkisg doesn't know of any woman writing manuals. Nor reading them :P | |
| 20:32 | <ogra> lol
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| 20:33 | <alkisg> ogra: your jetpipe is the only thing that survived from the ltsp5 code!
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| 20:33 | <ogra> hah
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| 20:34 | <alkisg> I'll see in the future if usbip will work better, but for now it's the best option
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| 20:34 | <ogra> i thought cups nowadays does "driverless network printing" (weird name)
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| 20:34 | <alkisg> It does, but only for new printers :/
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| 20:34 | (afaik)
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| 20:34 | <ogra> ah
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| 20:35 | (i havent actually printed anything in years)
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| 20:36 | * alkisg is still using that tablet that mgariepy sent us for reading! along with a couple of newer ones... | |
| 20:37 | <highvoltage> o/
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| 20:37 | <alkisg> (thanks to highvoltage, of course; mine had died from broken screen too quickly, ty all :))
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| 20:38 | <ogra> the M10 ? i still have one somewhere in the drawer
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| 20:38 | <alkisg> ogra: ah, btw, I won the bet, sometime in the past you told me it wouldn't be possible to rewrite ltsp within 6 months; gsoc was 3, and it's pretty much workable now :P
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| 20:39 | <ogra> hah. congrats ! i owe you drinks when we meet again then
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| 20:39 | <alkisg> ;)
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| 20:40 | OK enough for today, tomorrow it's debian/ packaging time
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| 20:40 | * alkisg waves | |
| 20:40 | * ogra shores | |
| 20:40 | * alkisg will need to wait one more week for that :D | |
| 20:41 | <ogra> heh ... i'm in toronto ... actually killing time til i can go to the airport
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| 20:41 | * ogra looks forward to going home | |
| 20:42 | <ogra> and on that note i'm off too ... going to look for a beer nearby or so
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| 22:07 | <rkwesk> I am working through updating documentation on ltsp with bullseye (will be Debian 11)
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| 22:08 | Everything seems to work with either one nic or two nics on the server.
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| 22:12 | The configuration is chrootless and is using nfs to serve the squashfilesystem image so the gain in speed from the image (vis a vis the old nfs only way) is kept while the stability is stronger than using nbd only.
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| 22:14 | This idea is not mine, of course. Alkis Georgopoulos has posted it both in English and in Greek.
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| 22:16 | The contribution I am trying to finish is to show how and document it with Debian bullseye.
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| 22:18 | The setup with one nic is simpler. The setup with two nics is easy enough if one uses networkmanager.
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| 22:21 | My question is whether it is useful to also include a modified script in /etc/network/if-up.d/ as Alkis has documented for ubuntu for sch-scripts.
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| 22:27 | Experimenting with a modification that logs with the label dualnics instead of sch-scripts does result in logging but unless nm-connection-editor is also used to reset the lan device from manual (so that 192.168.67.1 is assigned) to "shared with other computers" clients can only ping numeric addresses on the Internet but dns fails. So perhaps I sho
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| 22:27 | uld forget adding such a script and only modify the lan device connection as I mentioned.
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| 22:29 | It is very late for me to stay so I will check the logs of the irc in the next few days to see if anyone has a comment.
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