IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 23 May 2008 (all times are UTC)
| 00:15 | <xwind> hey folks, my ltsp client boots but it stops with the ff message:
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| 00:16 | ipconfig: eth0: SIOCGIFINDEX: No such device
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| 00:16 | ipconfig: no devices to configure
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| 00:16 | how come?
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| 00:17 | is there a way that i can pass a boot option so that i can specify sky2 as my network card driver?
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| 00:17 | i have a Marvel 88E8056 netcard.
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| 00:21 | <johnny> i think so.. via lts.conf
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| 00:22 | i think it's something like
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| 00:22 | MODULE_01=sky2
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| 00:24 | <xwind> so not in the boot option of vmlinuz
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| 01:01 | <alkisg> Hi, has anyone used dnsmasq as a tftp server for ltsp? Everything works ok but lts.conf is *not* transferred to the client, I get a "dnsmasq: TFTP unsupported request from 192.168.0.201" error. Any ideas?
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| 01:01 | <vagrantc> yeah, i've been getting the same
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| 01:01 | <johnny> really vagrantc , i thought you said you had it workin?
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| 01:01 | <vagrantc> johnny: not lts.conf
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| 01:01 | <johnny> cuz i was getting that, but i assumed something else was going on :(
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| 01:01 | ok, must be a bug in dnsmasq
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| 01:02 | or is it in our request?
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| 01:02 | <vagrantc> alkisg: i think i worked around it by adding some commandline option to tftp ...
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| 01:02 | <alkisg> I'll try all the options then, thanks. Any ideas how to assign different hostnames to clients?
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| 01:03 | I need the clients to be different than "ltsp" to get the guest feature working. Firefox does not allow multiple instances if the users have the same name (username=ltsp, password=ltsp)...
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| 01:04 | <vagrantc> alkisg: you can write an RCFILE_NN script that sets the hostname
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| 01:04 | <alkisg> vagrantc, I thought there was a HOST_NAME directive in lts.conf?
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| 01:04 | So I was thinking, [192.168.0.201] HOST_NAME=ltsp201
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| 01:04 | <vagrantc> almost certainly not in ltsp5
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| 01:05 | <alkisg> OK, that's why I couldn't get it to work! :)
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| 01:05 | Are ip-based sections supported in lts.conf? Like [192.168.0.201]? Or only mac-based ones?
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| 01:05 | <johnny> i know hostnames are..
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| 01:06 | seems like a nice lil script could say build a list
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| 01:06 | <alkisg> johnny, thanks, thats better
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| 01:06 | <vagrantc> mac address, ip address and hostname are supported
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| 01:06 | <johnny> that took mc addresses and changed them into a format like ltsp$num
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| 01:06 | <vagrantc> alkisg: can't find any references to HOST_NAME as an lts.conf option anywheres, so i don't think it's even a regression :)
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| 01:07 | <alkisg> OK, so with an RCFILE_NN script I'll be ok. I don't know what a lil script is yet, but I'll manage it. Thanks! :)
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| 01:07 | vargantc: let me see the link...
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| 01:07 | <vagrantc> johnny: at freegeek, we basically have an init script that runs very early and sets a hostname based on the ip address
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| 01:08 | <johnny> aha.. that's a smart route too
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| 01:08 | <vagrantc> the other option is to set up a DNS server that generates hostnames based on an ip range ...
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| 01:08 | it's pretty much a one-liner in bind9
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| 01:09 | <johnny> hmm..
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| 01:09 | seems like dnsmasq should allow you to do it with external scripts
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| 01:09 | <alkisg> vagrantc, I can't find the link. I think dnsmasq has a dhcp-script option... yeah, johnny said it
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| 01:11 | <ltsppbot> "vagrantc" pasted "hostname.sh snippet" (13 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/532
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| 01:14 | <alkisg> vagrantc, thank you very much
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| 01:14 | <vagrantc> it would be nice to handle everything from dnsmasq, though.
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| 01:14 | <johnny> vagrantc, well a custom script on the server side would be more maintainable than the client right?
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| 01:16 | <vagrantc> johnny: i don't really see the difference... you maintain it in one place either way.
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| 01:16 | although, if you're doing sqaushfs images, i guess client-side is more hassle.
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| 01:16 | like i said, it would be nice to just integrate into dnsmasq
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| 01:19 | ok... so adding tftp -m binary to the ltsp_nbd script should fix it ... at least, it does when i do it manually.
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| 01:20 | i guess dnsmasq doesn't support ascii transfers ?
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| 01:24 | yup, it only supports binary mode.
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| 01:25 | <johnny> aha.. bug identified..
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| 01:41 | <primar1> Hardy is killing me: this morning we get message "this workstation is not authorised..." quick fix anybody
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| 01:41 | <johnny> that's normal atm sadly
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| 01:42 | after an important security fix was released
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| 01:42 | you should run ltsp-update-sshkeys && ltsp-update-image
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| 01:42 | <Pascal_1> Bonjour
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| 01:48 | <primar1> johnny I get message that the command cant run
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| 01:49 | i can only run the ltsp-update-image, we I did
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| 01:52 | <johnny> you need to run ltsp-update-sskheys
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| 01:52 | err sshkeys*
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| 01:53 | <primar1> root@mshome:/# ltsp-update-sshkeys
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| 01:53 | bash: ltsp-update-sshkeys: command not found
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| 01:54 | <johnny> you are not inside the chroot are you?
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| 01:55 | <primar1> nope
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| 01:56 | sorry I was
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| 01:56 | <johnny> does it work now?
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| 01:57 | <primar1> yep
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| 01:57 | <johnny> ever new hardy install that upgrades is going to have that problem, since all the images are shipped with broken openssh builds
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| 01:58 | <johnny> and upgrading is good, otherwise it is much too easy for you to become vulnerable
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| 02:01 | <primar1> now i have a different issue " after booting and splashscreen I get message on clients " Busybox.....
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| 02:01 | <xwind> vagrantc, can u help me with my problem please.
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| 02:01 | my ltsp client boots but it stops with the ff message:
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| 02:01 | ipconfig: eth0: SIOCGIFINDEX: No such device
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| 02:02 | ipconfig: no devices to configure
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| 02:04 | <xwind> my ltsp server and ltsp client have the same netcards and so i was expecting that ubuntu 8.04 will boot on both.
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| 02:07 | <sepski> xwind, check that your nic driver is in the initrd (for the client)
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| 02:16 | <primar1> johnny all working now thank you dude]
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| 02:21 | <xwind> sepski, tnx, my /opt/ltsp/i386/initrd is currently empty.
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| 02:22 | i am guessing that my driver is sky2 for the Marvel Yukon NIC 88E8056
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| 02:22 | how do i add the nic to initrd?
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| 02:23 | <ogra> xwind, ubuntu has it by default, what distro are you using ?
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| 02:23 | <xwind> Ubuntu 8.04
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| 02:24 | <ogra> /lib/modules/2.6.24-17-generic/kernel/drivers/net/sky2.ko
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| 02:24 | (also in -16, i'm using the kernel from hardy-proposed)
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| 02:25 | ogra@osiris:~$ modinfo sky2|grep description
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| 02:25 | description: Marvell Yukon 2 Gigabit Ethernet driver
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| 02:25 | <LL01> how come on some clients I don't get X server only busybox and some client got ldm ?
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| 02:25 | <Q-FUNK> ogra: psst, -17 is not out yet ;)
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| 02:25 | <ogra> Q-FUNK, yeah, i know, but i dropped -16 already and was to lazy to edit the paste :)
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| 02:26 | <xwind> is it a matter of just copying sky2.ko to /opt/ltsp/i386/initrd?
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| 02:26 | <ogra> no
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| 02:26 | <Q-FUNK> :-P
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| 02:26 | <ogra> it is in the default initramfs, no need to do anything on your side
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| 02:26 | whats the exact error you have ?
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| 02:27 | <xwind> the client boots, loads vmlinuz .... then stops giving me the ff error:
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| 02:27 | <xwind> ipconfig: eth0: SIOCGIFINDEX: No such device
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| 02:27 | ipconfig: no devices to configure
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| 02:28 | <ogra> then it drops you to a shell i bet
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| 02:28 | <xwind> kernel panic
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| 02:28 | <ogra> hmm
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| 02:28 | what arch is the server ?
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| 02:29 | <xwind> i386, i used the alternate CD of Ubuntu 8.04
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| 02:29 | in syslog, i get: "in.tftpd[5666]: tftp: client does not accept options"
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| 02:30 | <ogra> thats fine
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| 02:31 | hmm, looking at lunchpad there are a good bunch of bugs with that driver
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| 02:32 | <xwind> is it possible that the nic works on the server but will have issues when it is on the client?
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| 02:32 | my client and server machines are exactly the same.
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| 02:32 | * ogra needs to reboot to test new usplash speedups for intrepid .... back soon | |
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| 02:33 | <primar1> q-funk: I just check we do have the geode and amd xserver driver are installed Setting up xserver-xorg-video-geode (2.8.0-7) ... Setting up xserver-xorg-video-amd (2.8.0-7) ...
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| 02:33 | <Q-FUNK> right, that's the one from hardy
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| 02:33 | you'd need the one from hardy-proposed
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| 02:33 | <primar1> but our amd units still dont get to login screen
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| 02:34 | <Q-FUNK> and the xserver-xorg-core from hardy-proposed too
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| 02:35 | <primar1> core nope
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| 02:35 | how do I install just core
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| 02:36 | we have a class with 40 learners busy with OOo currently on our 40x HP terminals
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| 02:37 | but we would love to get our AMD units going as well, especially since we paid a crap lot of money for them
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| 02:37 | <LL01> what is hardy-proposed?
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| 02:41 | <Big-K> hi guys
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| 02:41 | have a few problems with ltsp
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| 02:42 | 1. when users logout, there are still few processes running, especially gvfs and gconf
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| 02:42 | <Q-FUNK> LL01: the repository for proposed updates to ubuntu/hardy
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| 02:43 | <Big-K> 2. my monitors go into standby after ~10 minutes
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| 02:43 | <primar1> yeah we had same problem in gutsy, took us days to kill them all but they came back
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| 02:43 | now we have some clients not able to run firefox, seems to be running already
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| 02:44 | <johnny> the firefox already running seems to have gone away in hardy
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| 02:44 | but the processes left running.. not so much
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| 02:44 | it's more of a bug in gvfs stuff imo
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| 02:44 | but ltsp should still clean up after it somehow
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| 02:44 | <Big-K> aha
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| 02:44 | <primar1> ogra: thin client manager freezes once you start the program
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| 02:45 | <johnny> thin client manager is not supported in hardy
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| 02:45 | italc was recommended instead
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| 02:45 | <Big-K> did anyone notice that monitos standby issue?
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| 02:45 | *monitor
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| 02:45 | <johnny> you can set it in the default gconf perhaps
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| 02:45 | in /etc/gconf somewhere
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| 02:46 | <Big-K> me?
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| 02:46 | <johnny> yes
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| 02:46 | <Big-K> it's no confoig issue
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| 02:46 | the monitors go into standby while working
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| 02:50 | it's really weird, seems like they getting no signal since boot
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| 02:59 | <primar1> johnny cant find that
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| 03:35 | <Big-K> has somebody an idea about that monitor thing?
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| 03:35 | maybe a bug?
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| 03:36 | <johnny> i doubt it's a bug
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| 03:36 | <ogra> Big-K, if its a geode CPU thats a known one
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| 03:36 | <johnny> isn't it just the default setting for gnome?
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| 03:36 | <Big-K> no it's pentium 4
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| 03:36 | <ogra> oh, sorry, mistook that
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| 03:36 | <johnny> oh? do they not come out of standy when you move the mouse?
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| 03:36 | <Big-K> but it shouldn't turn off at work
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| 03:36 | no
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| 03:36 | no return
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| 03:37 | <ogra> likely gnome-power-manager or gnome-screensaver being mean
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| 03:37 | you can disable DPMS with gconf keys for them
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| 03:37 | <Big-K> ok will try
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| 04:17 | <alkisg> johnny, about dnsmasq and ltf.conf not transferred via tftp:
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| 04:18 | 10 2.023440 192.168.0.201 192.168.0.1 TFTP Read Request, File: /ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0\000, Transfer type: octet\000, blksize\000=1456\000
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| 04:18 | 12124 352.450308 192.168.0.201 192.168.0.1 TFTP Read Request, File: /lts.conf\000, Transfer type: netascii\000
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| 04:18 | The difference is that pxelinux.0 is requested as octed, while lts.conf as netascii
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| 04:18 | Which script is responsible for the netascii request?
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| 04:19 | If we change this to octed, I guess it'll fix it.
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| 04:19 | <johnny> that's intersesting
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| 04:19 | i don't knwo
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| 04:20 | <alkisg> Also, it doesn't use the /ltsp/i386 path, but that's not the problem
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| 04:34 | <alkis1> johnny, (I don't really know if you're interested!), in chroot/usr/share/initramfs-tools/scripts/ltsp_nbd there is a line
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| 04:34 | (echo "get ${tftpath}/lts.conf"|tftp ${ROOTSERVER} >/dev/null 2>&1)
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| 04:35 | <root__> Hi I have a weird problem. I have upgrade my LTSP Server (lenny) to version 5.1.5-1. I did ltsp-update-image. Now some users canstill login, some not and the ldm screen comes back. The only error I see is something like 'famd[1830]: stat on ".#lk0x8111a28.hostname.8339" failed: No such file or directory' anyone an idea what iam missing? Many thanks
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| 04:35 | <alkis1> which is responsible to get the lts.conf. I guess if I insert there "binary" and the command afterwards, it'll work...
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| 04:36 | johnny, so what's the correct command? is \n supported? (echo "binary\nget ${tftpath}/lts.conf"|tftp ${ROOTSERVER} >/dev/null 2>&1)
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| 04:36 | <johnny> i don't know
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| 04:37 | i just put the lts.conf in the chroot and left it for now
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| 04:37 | <alkis1> I mean about shell scripting, how do you echo and [return]?
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| 04:37 | /and/a
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| 04:37 | echo "\n" ?
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| 04:38 | Sorry, found it, echo -e
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| 04:45 | <alkis1> johnny, if you're still interested, I did it as I described above:
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| 04:45 | dnsmasq: TFTP sent /var/lib/tftpboot/lts.conf to 192.168.0.201
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| 04:46 | Now lts.conf gets sent just file.
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| 04:46 | it's: (echo -e "binary\nget ${tftpath}/lts.conf"|tftp ${ROOTSERVER} >/dev/null 2>&1)
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| 04:47 | <root__> exit
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| 04:47 | Hi I have a weird problem. I have upgrade my LTSP Server (lenny) to version 5.1.5-1. I did ltsp-update-image. Now some users canstill login, some not and the ldm
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| 04:47 | screen comes back. The only error I see is something like 'famd[1830]: stat on ".#lk0x8111a28.hostname.8339" failed: No such file or directory' anyone an idea what
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| 04:47 | <johnny> you already asked
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| 04:48 | and don't login as root, it's a bad idea
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| 04:48 | to irc
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| 04:59 | <gekkos_> sorry lost my connection Hi I have a weird problem. I have upgrade my LTSP Server (lenny) to
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| 04:59 | version 5.1.5-1. I did ltsp-update-image. Now some users can still
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| 04:59 | login, some not and the ldm screen comes back. The only error I see is
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| 04:59 | something like 'famd[1830]: stat on ".#lk0x8111a28.hostname.8339"
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| 04:59 | failed: No such file or directory'. Anyone an idea what I am missing?
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| 04:59 | Many thanks
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| 05:10 | <johnny> stop that
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| 05:10 | nobody said anything
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| 05:10 | <cyberorg> hi johnny
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| 05:10 | <johnny> howdy cyberorg
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| 05:11 | * johnny tries to make it to the hackfest | |
| 05:11 | <cyberorg> caught up with your discussions earlier about ltsp on opensuse :)
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| 05:11 | <johnny> cyberorg, i was mostly asking why it was a seperate distro
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| 05:11 | didn't understand kiwi
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| 05:12 | <cyberorg> some clarifications, kiwi is completly distro independent design, it should work with any distro that uses smart, if required it would be easy to add other packagement tools
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| 05:12 | http://kiwi.berlios.de/
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| 05:13 | <johnny> aha..
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| 05:13 | thanks cyberorg
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| 05:13 | <cyberorg> as you can see kickstart is no where what kiwi is :)
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| 05:13 | <johnny> yeah, but i was referring to storing the kiwi config like kickstart stores its's config
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| 05:13 | in the ltsp repository directly
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| 05:13 | <cyberorg> and why kiwi-ltsp and not just ltsp, is a FAQ :)
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| 05:14 | http://en.opensuse.org/LTSP
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| 05:14 | <johnny> not whether they compared with each other
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| 05:16 | <cyberorg> kiwi does thin clients even without ltsp and is used in novell's enterprise TC products, what we have done is injected ltsp packages in it
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| 05:16 | http://www.novell.com/products/thinclient/
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| 05:18 | as kiwi is distro independent it really would be great to see LTSP6/7 use that for all distro ;)
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| 06:24 | <ogra> thanks for the proxy fix
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| 06:25 | <stgraber> ogra: ?? wasn't that included like a while ago ? :)
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| 06:26 | <ogra> i thought so as well
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| 06:27 | <stgraber> did you get a mail from demo.lp.net ?
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| 06:27 | <ogra> yep
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| 06:27 | <stgraber> I did a LP demo this morning about this bug :)
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| 06:27 | I don't quite know why demo.lp.net now sends mail ...
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| 06:28 | <ogra> ahhhhh
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| 06:28 | ok
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| 06:28 | <ogra> i was thinking i had a typo
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| 06:28 | <stgraber> I also received the mail and wondered why demo is sending mail as it's supposed to be "demo" and not annoy people with mails ...
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| 06:29 | * stgraber hopes he didn't mail all bugmail subscribers with his demo ... | |
| 06:30 | <stgraber> ogra: did you have some edu sessions at UDS ? except one or two for Intel I haven't seen much planned
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| 06:30 | <ogra> parental control and the edubuntu-menus gui
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| 06:31 | not much beyond that .... today i'm all in mobile sessions
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| 06:31 | improving bootspeed etc
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| 06:31 | <stgraber> ok, do you think we could interface the parental thing with iTalc ?
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| 06:31 | <ogra> http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/hardy-20080523-1.png
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| 06:31 | :)
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| 06:31 | <stgraber> so a teacher could block the internet access for everyone in the classroom ?
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| 06:31 | <ogra> we could, yes
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| 06:31 | well
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| 06:32 | the thing runs locally
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| 06:32 | its a desktop app
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| 06:32 | but listening to dbus messages, so we could do something through avahi etc
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| 06:33 | <stgraber> we would need some kind of dbus call or similar stuff to turn the blocking on/off, of course as ICA is running as the user it's still possible to turn it off ...
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| 06:33 | <ogra> well, it has that call already
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| 06:33 | <stgraber> but italc itself can be killed by the user, so no big problem :)
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| 06:33 | <ogra> just a matter of getting it safely through the network
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| 06:33 | <stgraber> don't need to do it through the network
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| 06:33 | I can just call it from ica
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| 06:33 | <ogra> hmm
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| 06:33 | right
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| 06:33 | that would work
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| 06:34 | <stgraber> I already do that for the gnome session stuff IIRC (and DCOP for KDE)
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| 06:34 | * stgraber is still dreaming of a single way to request a logout/reboot/shutdown ... | |
| 06:35 | <ogra> we'll get there
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| 06:35 | i need some ldm interaction here as well from the logout dialog
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| 06:36 | <stgraber> yes, and I could use that to trigger a thin client reboot/shutdown when italc is running on the server
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| 06:36 | that would solve lots of problems :)
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| 06:37 | <ogra> well, lunch ... need to go ... laters ...
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| 06:37 | <stgraber> enjoy
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| 07:04 | <gekkos_> Hi, i have a very weird problem. After upgrading my ltsp-server (lenny) to 5.1.5-1, I did ltsp-update-image, now some users can login and some not. I don't get error in syslog. Anyone an idea? Txs
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| 07:10 | <Q-FUNK> ogra: geode is finally in proposed. when can we sit down with bryce and test this?
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| 07:11 | <ogra> i have an important session at 3pm
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| 07:11 | after that i think i'm free
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| 07:11 | hmm
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| 07:11 | even though there is another bootspeed session planned
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| 07:11 | i might have to go there
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| 07:12 | <Q-FUNK> ogra: what about now? bug 0 session ?
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| 07:14 | <ogra> yep
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| 07:18 | <Blinny> What about if I used the CD? Could I boot to an amd64 alternate CD and choose 'Upgrade', and have the installer figure out which packages I have and upgrade them all from i386 to amd64?
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| 08:06 | <Q-FUNK> ogra: ok, geode finally propageted to hardy-proposed.
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| 08:20 | <david__> Hey, guys. I've got an old customer running 4.2. One client won't boot the 2.6 kernels. It was working fine with the 2.4.26-ltsp-3 kernel.
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| 08:21 | <david__> Does anyone have the 2.4.26 tgz file handy?
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| 08:24 | <jammcq> david__: I don't think the 2.4 kernel will work with LTSP-4.2
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| 08:24 | LTSP-4.2 requires udev, which didn't exist in the old kernels
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| 08:27 | <Q-FUNK> Gadi: hardy-proposed and intrepid now have everything we need.
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| 08:28 | <david__> as I said, this is an old customer. I haven't touched their system in two years, until this week. MOved them to a new server, and beleived them when they said all the clients were booting properly.
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| 08:29 | <jammcq> are you sure it was 4.2 ? maybe 4.0 or 4.1
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| 08:30 | <david__> I thought it was 42
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| 08:30 | apparently not.
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| 08:30 | <jammcq> on an old customer of mine, I have 2.4.24-ltsp-1 and 2.4.24-ltsp-4
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| 08:30 | which would you like?
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| 08:31 | and do yo want the PXE or the Etherboot one?
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| 08:32 | <david__> well, they've got 4.2 now (I'm sure of that), so I may have to rethink this.
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| 08:33 | out of 17 clients, two won-t boot
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| 08:33 | <Gadi> Q-FUNK: bwahahahahahaha (/me rubs hands together)
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| 08:36 | <Q-FUNK> Gadi: needs to be tested and still misses proper GX support, but LX should now work spotless.
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| 08:36 | <david__> jammcq, thanks for offering the 2.4 files, but I think I need to work something else out first.
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| 08:37 | jammcq, thanks also for reminding me about udev.
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| 08:37 | <Gadi> "proper GX support" as in the issues Ive raised wrt GX2?
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| 08:37 | <Q-FUNK> yup
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| 08:37 | <Gadi> ah, ok
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| 08:37 | <Q-FUNK> that PCI ID overlap with the older NSC driver
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| 08:41 | <david__> jammcq, Why would /tmp/var not get created on a 4.2 client? Any ideas?
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| 08:41 | <jammcq> hmm, dunno. It's been so long since I've played with that stuff, I just don't remember
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| 08:42 | <david__> same here... ;-)
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| 08:53 | <zeltron> Hi
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| 08:53 | I'm back with my problem that don't want to be solved :
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| 08:54 | I installed an ltsp5 server, and my clients don't want to boot
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| 08:54 | They load nbi.img without a problem, but when they're trying to boot the kernel,
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| 08:54 | I've got an error message
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| 08:55 | <laga> i assume you're going to tell us the error message.
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| 08:55 | <zeltron> trying to see if it's initramfs. It isn't (bad gzip magic number
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| 08:55 | Here is it ;-)
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| 08:56 | I've tried lot of solutions found on the net, nothing works
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| 08:56 | looks like my nbi.img was corrupted
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| 08:56 | but my clients boot without a problem on nbi.img with a ltsp 4.2 server
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| 08:58 | When I try to force them to boot on pxe or vmlinuz, it doesn't work
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| 08:59 | <warren> Q-FUNK: my e-mail is down, is the coreboot ROM easy to update?
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| 08:59 | Q-FUNK: I'd like to use this thing as a demo when I'm traveling
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| 08:59 | <david__> jammcq, thanks again.
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| 08:59 | <zeltron> Sorry, I forgot : my LTSP5 server is a debian Etch
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| 09:01 | <zeltron> I've tried to re-install it a lot of times (with various options and mirrors for ltsp-server and ltsp-build-client))
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| 09:01 | nothing works
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| 09:04 | I'd like to get a valid nbi.img and test it (debian etch i386)
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| 09:05 | <Q-FUNK> warren: you'd need an updated binary and 'flashrom'
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| 09:07 | <Q-FUNK> warren: then, put all that into the chroot, configure lts.conf to give you a console, then run flashrom with the binary
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| 09:12 | <zeltron> When I try : zcat nbi.img-2.6.18-6-486
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| 09:12 | I got htis message :
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| 09:13 | zcat: nbi.img-2.6.18-6-486 : not in gzip format
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| 09:13 | should it be ?
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| 09:29 | <rgevaert> Hello
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| 09:29 | I'm new to ltsp. I have set it up on Ubuntu Hardy, and I'm having problems configuring my tftp server
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| 09:30 | I have configured in the dhcp server that the thin client has to boot from a certain tftp server
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| 09:30 | when I pxe boot my client it can download the kernel and initrd
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| 09:30 | however it now tries to connect to the tftp server
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| 09:30 | but the tftpserver != ltsp server
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| 09:31 | how can I configure that?
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| 09:31 | Is there some configuration that needs to be done in the pxe config file?
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| 09:31 | Or in the create images?
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| 09:40 | <cliebow> rgevaert, ive been away a copuple weeks..dont dare say a word
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| 09:42 | <petre> morning all
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| 09:45 | <rgevaert> hi
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| 09:51 | <petre> with 4.2 and the vesa driver, is the max resolution 800x600?
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| 10:04 | <Blinny> petre: I've never been able to get it to go higher than 800x600.. but I'm not sure I did everything correctly too.
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| 10:08 | <petre> I've got an iPaq that uses the vesa driver, but despite a zillion various X settings attempts, I can't ever get more than 800x600
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| 10:09 | <Gadi> petre: have you looked in the xorg log?
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| 10:09 | it will tell you what modes it tried and which it threw out and why
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| 10:12 | <alkisg> Gadi, try these in your lts.conf:
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| 10:12 | X_MODE_0=1024x768
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| 10:12 | X_HORZSYNC=30.0-70.0
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| 10:12 | X_VERTREFRESH=50.0-120.0
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| 10:12 | If the monitor refresh rates are not detected properly, then X_MODE_0=1024x768 doesn't work, so you have to override X_VERTREFRESH etc
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| 10:12 | <Gadi> thanks, but im good
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| 10:13 | <alkisg> Sorry, I meant petre
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| 10:13 | <Gadi> petre: see alkisg
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| 10:13 | :)
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| 10:13 | <petre> right, lemme try it...
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| 10:14 | <alkisg> petre, if you see that the resolution did change, you should also find out the X_VERTREFRESH of *your* monitor. The above refresh rates give 1024x768@85Hz
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| 10:14 | <petre> monitor is an lcd
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| 10:14 | which don't really have refresh rates, do they?
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| 10:15 | <Gadi> sure
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| 10:15 | <alkisg> They do, but they're fixed, e.g. at 60Hz
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| 10:15 | <mraudsepp> @60Hz is best for most of them.
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| 10:15 | <Gadi> always gotta refresh the screen
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| 10:15 | otherwise the picture doesnt change
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| 10:15 | :)
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| 10:15 | <mraudsepp> Usually @75Hz is accepted too, but that often gives worse results, as it might be emulating it and really run at 60Hz in hardware anyway
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| 10:16 | <petre> okay, I was thinking in terms of 'electron beam sweeping across pixels' as in a crt
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| 10:16 | <Gadi> with lcds they dont sweep they shimme
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| 10:16 | <mraudsepp> I guess you could phrase it as 'LCD transistors changing their state at a rate of 60Hz' :)
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| 10:19 | <alkisg> Maybe you should put X_VERTREFRESH=50.0-70.0 since it's an LCD...
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| 10:20 | <alkisg> My 1280x800 lcd has horizsync=30.0 - 75.0 and vertrefresh=60.0
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| 10:21 | <petre> nope, still 800x600
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| 10:21 | <alkisg> Did you put that under [Default] section inside the chroot and then ltsp-update-image?
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| 10:22 | <petre> no, this is 4.2, so I just put it in lts.conf
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| 10:22 | <alkisg> Oh, ok, I thought it changed in 5.0
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| 10:23 | Can you login to the client and see if lts.conf was transferred ok, and also see /etc/X11/xorg.conf?
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| 10:23 | Alt+Ctrl+F1, user root etc
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| 10:24 | <petre> yes, I can see the /tmp/XF86Config.1 file
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| 10:25 | <alkisg> Wow, many differences from 5.0! Does it have vertrefresh etc?
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| 10:26 | <petre> yes, in the Monitor section, says VertRefresh 60.0
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| 10:26 | <alkisg> And horizsync?
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| 10:26 | <petre> 30.0-70.0
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| 10:27 | <alkisg> And 1024x768? :)
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| 10:27 | <petre> Screen section has Display subsection with Modes 1024x768
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| 10:27 | <Blinny> Amazing. Today, my 15-minute load average is .02
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| 10:27 | <alkisg> Well, seems fine to me, except that it doesn't work! :D
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| 10:28 | <petre> lspci says video controller is Intel 82810E which I think is another way of saying i810
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| 10:29 | perhaps I should specify that X server, although it is not automatically detected
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| 10:29 | <alkisg> You could also try to boot e.g. knoppix, copy the XF86Config file and put a X_CONF directive in lts.conf, so that it uses the file that knoppix used.
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| 10:29 | <petre> i.e., if I don't specify an X server, X won't come up
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| 10:30 | it's only got 64MB, and though I could bump that to 96MB, I still don't think it's enough for knoppix to start X
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| 10:30 | could try DSL I suppose
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| 10:31 | <alkisg> Is there a videoram line in /tmp/XF86Config?
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| 10:31 | <Gadi> XSERVER=i810
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| 10:32 | but, seriously, look at the xorg log file
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| 10:32 | <petre> I don't see one, although when it's booting I see a message about '32xxx K available for video
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| 10:32 | <Gadi> it is usually very good at telling you why it doesnt like the mode you want
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| 10:32 | look in /var/log/xorg.log
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| 10:32 | or in /tmp/var/
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| 10:32 | or some such
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| 10:34 | <petre> hmm, /var/log/ is empty...
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| 10:35 | <Gadi> you have X on one screen and a shell on another?
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| 10:35 | <petre> yes
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| 10:35 | no /tmp/var
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| 10:35 | <Gadi> something smells fishy
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| 10:36 | <petre> fyi, it's k12ltsp el5
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| 10:36 | I'm pretty sure there's log around somewhere but I can never remember where
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| 10:36 | it's somewhere strange
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| 10:37 | <Gadi> is it in /root?
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| 10:37 | <Blinny> /var/log/X11
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| 10:37 | <petre> nope
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| 10:38 | /var/log/ is empty
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| 10:39 | <petre> doing an 'ls -lR |grep xorg.log
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| 10:40 | '
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| 10:41 | <petre> argh, can't search in more command
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| 10:41 | need less
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| 10:42 | grep found xorg.log, but I don't know what dir it's in
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| 10:44 | <Blinny> So I've got a full-stop full lock crash on 8.04 I can reproduce whenever desired. Anybody got time to help me debug?
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| 10:44 | <petre> and there are only 27465 lines/files to look through :-(
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| 10:46 | <alkisg> petre, find / -name ...?
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| 10:48 | <alkisg> or, ls -lR > /tmp/list.txt, then vi /tmp/list.txt and search
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| 10:48 | <petre> no 'find' command
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| 10:48 | however, I did do ls -lR >file; scp file 192.168.0.254:
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| 10:48 | so I can search now...
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| 10:50 | aha! /tmp/mnt/xorg.log
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| 10:53 | ok, looking at the xorg.log file I see two things that could be a problem:
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| 10:53 | (II) VESA(0): Total Memory: 16 64KB banks (1024kB)
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| 10:54 | II) VESA(0): Not using mode "1024X768" (no mode of this name)
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| 10:54 | the first one suggests it doesn't have enough video ram, although the second suggests just a typo
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| 10:54 | <alkisg> Yeap, videoram is not correctly detected
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| 10:56 | So you should put X_VIDEORAM=... in your lts.conf
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| 10:58 | <petre> I tried specifying XSERVER = i810, but then X won't start, oddly
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| 10:59 | says server limited to 32608 kb
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| 10:59 | tried X_VIDEORAM = 4096 but still get 800x600
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| 11:01 | <alkisg> ...try dsl or puppy... :)
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| 11:01 | <mraudsepp> 1024x768 at 24bit already needs around 3MB, not sure 4096 is enough for other stuff
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| 11:02 | if your video cards are really only 4MB, maybe you could give 16bit a shot if it's 24 right now
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| 11:03 | <petre> video is on-board; I don't think there's a bios setting in this case for controlling how much ram is allocated to video
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| 11:03 | but I could be wrong, have to look
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| 11:04 | alkisg, puppy needs 128MB I think ;-)
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| 11:05 | <alkisg> petre, there usually is a setting for on board cards (if they use shared memory). And if you only have a little ram, you should lower videoram as much as possible.
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| 11:06 | <petre> right, but it may be set at 1MB right now, not enough for 1024x768x24
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| 11:06 | client only has 64MB
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| 11:07 | <alkisg> if that's the case you should use 2 Mb for 1024x768x16 or 4 Mb for x24.
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| 11:08 | <petre> what I don't understand is that when it says it's building an xorg.conf file, it says it has ~32000 kb for X
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| 11:08 | <Nuba1> anyone know of some good gradebook/markbook software for schools?
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| 11:08 | <petre> but xorg.log is still showing Total Memory of 1MB
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| 11:09 | Nuba1, checkout OpenAdmin
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| 11:09 | haven't used it myself, though
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| 11:09 | <Nuba1> that's a little to American centric... I'm in a British school
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| 11:10 | I've looked at CLASS, but that's too complex for my users
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| 11:11 | All the pacakges I've seen are really big, I just need the reports part... to write end of term reports
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| 11:11 | <alkisg> petre, ~32000 kb for X *may* mean the buffers for the windows etc, ram for internal X usage, not videoram
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| 11:15 | <petre> Nuba1, OA is Canadian, but it is a full school admin system, may be overkill for you
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| 11:17 | <Nuba1> yeah, the teachers need something very simple, otherwise they just wont use it and will continue writing their reports in open office
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| 11:19 | I found GNota, that might do the trick
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| 11:22 | <Can0beans> hello
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| 11:23 | I've got my Ubuntu LTSP up and running, but currently, I'm having an issue with WYSE S30 booting, it gets about 75% done and then hangs. Any suggestion on where to look? Google came up next to empty handed
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| 11:29 | <Nuba1> what is wyses?
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| 11:29 | wyse sorry
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| 11:29 | <Can0beans> thin client
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| 11:30 | <Nuba1> yeah, but that specific startup sequence, what does it do... (what run level is it in)?
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| 11:30 | <Can0beans> I see the Ubuntu splash screen
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| 11:31 | followed by the "loading bar"
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| 11:31 | <Can0beans> which gets 75% along and then nothing
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| 11:32 | <Nuba1> well S30 in the run levels is where GDM starts up
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| 11:32 | Have u tried turning off APIC?
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| 11:33 | <Can0beans> no
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| 11:33 | where would I do that?
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| 11:33 | <Nuba1> I'd try that... in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default
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| 11:34 | add the line noapic on the end
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| 11:34 | also take out quite and splash so you get a better idea on where its failing
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| 11:34 | quite=quiet
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| 11:34 | <Can0beans> oky
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| 11:34 | <Can0beans> thanks
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| 11:35 | <cyberorg> hi japerry,
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| 11:35 | <Nuba1> if it fails, paste the last lines of the bootup sequence here:
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| 11:35 | !pastebot
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| 11:35 | <ltspbot`> Nuba1: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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| 11:35 | <japerry> cyberorg: gmorning
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| 11:35 | hows life in LTSP land today? or should I say good evening ;-)
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| 11:36 | <cyberorg> it is past 10 in the evening :)
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| 11:36 | <japerry> heh good thing you stay up late sometimes
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| 11:37 | gbolte is on his way in, he'll be here in a few minutes -- I think our OpenSUSE 11 system is ready for user testing
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| 11:38 | <Can0beans> Nuba1, well....
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| 11:38 | now I have a blank screen
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| 11:38 | and a blinking cursor
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| 11:38 | <cyberorg> japerry, cool :)
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| 11:43 | <Nuba1> alt-ctrl+f1
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| 11:43 | tell me where it stopped
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| 11:43 | should give verbose output
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| 11:50 | <Can0beans> werd
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| 11:51 | so I just tried pxe booting my laptop
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| 11:51 | and I got a repeatedly flashing screen
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| 11:51 | where I could see a console login prompt
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| 11:52 | but it would appear and disappear
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| 11:52 | the last message on the WYSE terminal is:
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| 11:54 | lo: Disabling Privacy Extensions
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| 11:55 | actually, I only have two lines on the screen
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| 11:55 | Net: Registered Protocol Family 10
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| 11:55 | and lo: Disabling Privacy Extensions
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| 12:35 | <fgiraldeau> hi there
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| 12:35 | I think I've got another bug with LDM
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| 12:36 | When LDM_SESSION is set, Xsession is bypassed
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| 12:36 | Usualy, Xsession exec x-window-manager
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| 12:37 | <vagrantc> well, LDM_SESSION's entire purpose was to make the Xsession file configurable
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| 12:37 | at least, that's what it started out as
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| 12:37 | <fgiraldeau> ok, great
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| 12:38 | <vagrantc> hmmm... i should set that as default in lts.conf so it doesn't bother to look for one...
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| 12:39 | hmmm... patch for password expiry ... http://bugs.debian.org/482553
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| 12:39 | <fgiraldeau> but, in the interface, the user can choose from a list of window manager available
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| 12:40 | <vagrantc> fgiraldeau: right... that list should still use Xsession
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| 12:40 | <fgiraldeau> yeah
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| 12:40 | <fgiraldeau> The choice should be written in the home directory, and then Xsession will take tare of the rest
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| 12:40 | <vagrantc> fgiraldeau: some distro's Xsession files don't support calling Xsession with an argument, unfortunately.
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| 12:41 | that could be a good way to handle it ... although again, i think it will be hard to be cross-distro with that
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| 12:41 | <fgiraldeau> probably... I will post the problem on the mailing list
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| 12:41 | <vagrantc> i've been meaning to get to that for ages, but keep forgetting about it.
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| 12:41 | <fgiraldeau> hehe ;)
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| 12:42 | At this time, I set the default display manager with update-alternatives
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| 12:42 | <vagrantc> we should probably establish an upstream place for reporting ltsp related bugs
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| 12:42 | i mostly use the debian bug tracking system as my todo list when uploading new packages
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| 12:42 | <fgiraldeau> ok
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| 12:42 | <vagrantc> but not everything gets reported there
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| 12:43 | <fgiraldeau> well, launchpad can links to other bugs...
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| 12:43 | <vagrantc> and i don't understand launchpad well enough to get a concise list of bugs for ltsp projects
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| 12:44 | <fgiraldeau> yeah, there are bugs in the ltsp package, and ltsp project, wich is confusing
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| 12:44 | <vagrantc> and sometimes they end up in the "ubuntu" project
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| 12:45 | or something like that
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| 12:45 | <fgiraldeau> The easy way is to subscribe to bugs that you care about
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| 12:46 | <vagrantc> so i usually wait till ogra or someone points me to a bug in launchpad ... and then usually forget it exists
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| 12:46 | <fgiraldeau> Then, on your personal page, everything that matters you will show up
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| 12:46 | <vagrantc> yeah, i should make more use of that
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| 12:46 | <fgiraldeau> gret
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| 12:46 | great
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| 12:46 | Will you be in Portland late july?
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| 12:46 | <vagrantc> still doesn't make it easy to poll launchpad for a list... but at least i can keep track of the ones i've heard about
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| 12:47 | fgiraldeau: i've arranged the space to meet :)
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| 12:47 | fgiraldeau: so, barring freakish circumstances, i'll be here :)
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| 12:47 | <fgiraldeau> I guess so
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| 12:47 | <vagrantc> fgiraldeau: you able to make it?
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| 12:47 | <fgiraldeau> I'm trying to convince my boss
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| 12:47 | And find budget for it
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| 12:48 | But, probably yes
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| 12:48 | <vagrantc> excellent!
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| 12:48 | <fgiraldeau> That will be the first time we meet
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| 12:49 | <fgiraldeau> Thanks for the info, see ya
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| 12:50 | <vagrantc> hope to see you in july, then :)
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| 12:56 | <Blinny> Is XRAMPERC still supported in LTSP5 ?
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| 12:57 | <vagrantc> X_RAMPERC
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| 12:57 | it's supported, but a lot of the time doesn't actually solve the problem... it only limits the damage
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| 13:01 | <fgiraldeau> here it is
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| 13:01 | https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ldm/+bug/234407
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| 13:21 | <tarzeau> fgiraldeau: hello
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| 13:23 | <fgiraldeau> <tarzeau>: hello
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| 13:24 | <johnny> aha.. the guy who saved my autologin :)
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| 13:24 | during gutsy
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| 13:25 | thanks fgiraldeau
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| 13:25 | <fgiraldeau> well, thanks to you for providing me feedback ;)
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| 13:26 | <johnny> the pleasure is all mine :)
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| 16:34 | <gbolte> hello
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| 16:34 | :)
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| 16:34 | <lns> hi gbolte
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| 16:34 | <gbolte> hi
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| 16:35 | <gbolte> I am playing with trying to get italc to install on my ltsp clients
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| 16:35 | :)
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| 16:35 | that should be fun
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| 16:35 | hehe
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| 16:35 | <lns> gbolte, italc? what is that again?
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| 16:36 | <gbolte> http://italc.sourceforge.net/home.php
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| 16:36 | basically a teachers tool to allow for remote control and a bunch of other cool things
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| 16:36 | <lns> oh yes - sort of a successor to thin-client-manager
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| 16:37 | <gbolte> sure
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| 16:37 | :P
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| 16:37 | you can do some really neat things
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| 16:38 | we just want to use the remote control part of it here at work
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| 16:38 | that would save us time
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| 16:38 | people can just call with their issue and we should be able to fix it with out going to their desk
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| 16:40 | <gbolte> though I am not sure all the features will actually work with the client app installed on the terminal
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| 16:40 | :/
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| 16:40 | <lns> gbolte, isn't italc going to be ported/tested on ltsp ? i remember hearing about this last week i think here
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| 16:41 | <johnny> i thought it was recommended in hardy
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| 16:41 | <alkisg> gbolte, I use it, it usually works just fine with ltsp clients.
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| 16:41 | <gbolte> alkisg, nice
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| 16:41 | :)
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| 16:41 | that gives me some hope
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| 16:42 | alkisg, all the features work?
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| 16:42 | <alkisg> gbolte, yes, on normal circumstances
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| 16:42 | <gbolte> cool
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| 16:43 | well what do you mean by normal
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| 16:43 | :P
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| 16:43 | <alkisg> gbolte, a script was needed to use it if you were sitting on the server, and on some setups demo mode doesn't work
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| 16:43 | <gbolte> ah
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| 16:43 | <alkisg> e.g. it works fine with my laptop as a server, but I couldn't get it to work at the school server (same setup)
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| 16:44 | <gbolte> :/
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| 16:44 | weirf
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| 16:44 | er
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| 16:44 | weird
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| 16:44 | did you just install the client package into the nbd image?
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| 16:44 | <alkisg> but they are working on automatic discovery of clients with avahi-daemon, when 1.0.9 gets out everything should play out of the box
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| 16:44 | no, no need to install to nbd
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| 16:45 | just on the server, the clients run it after logon
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| 16:45 | <gbolte> alkisg, that wouldnt really give you the ability to shut off the terminals though
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| 16:45 | <alkisg> stgraber says that it'll go better if it is installed on the clients, but I haven't tried that yet. Don't know about the dependencies, it may be too much for the clients
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| 16:46 | <gbolte> I am about to try it on 10.3 nbd image
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| 16:46 | :)
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| 16:46 | <alkisg> gbolte, yes, and I think it'll even make autologin etc possible
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| 16:46 | 10.3 what distro?
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| 16:46 | <gbolte> opensuse
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| 16:47 | <alkisg> Never tried that one!
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| 16:47 | <gbolte> our image is 10.3 but the server is running 11.0
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| 16:47 | <alkisg> Demo mode is slow though, if it is installed only on the server
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| 16:47 | <gbolte> er 11.0 beta 3
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| 16:48 | <alkisg> I want to find something different just for demo mode, something with broadcasting / multicasting etc
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| 17:14 | <gbolte> w00t
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| 17:15 | italc and italc client install with out a fuss
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| 17:15 | :D
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| 17:15 | that makes me happy
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