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Channel log from 9 November 2007 (all times are UTC)
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| 00:35 | <sadmin> hi all
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| 00:36 | how i enale usb and cdrom in ubuntu gutsy
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| 00:37 | <johnny_> good question :)
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| 00:37 | working on that
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| 00:37 | and autologin
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| 00:37 | i can't seem to find the proper docs tho
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| 00:39 | sadly i can only work on the machines at night
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| 00:40 | <sadmin> johny_ i hear its enabled by default
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| 00:40 | <johnny_> auto login?
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| 00:40 | <sadmin> i can plug usb but it wont picked
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| 00:40 | do i need to do any thing on lts.conf
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| 00:41 | <johnny_> i assume that this localdev tutorial is still semi relevant
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| 00:41 | on the wiki
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| 00:41 | to at least debug why
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| 00:41 | <sadmin> hum
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| 00:41 | <johnny_> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+bug/158989
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| 00:41 | that's the bug that is the same problem i'm having
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| 00:43 | related to localdev that is
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| 00:43 | doesn't solve my autologin problem tho :(
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| 00:46 | <johnny_> is that the same problem you're having ?
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| 00:48 | <User-1> Does anyone know anything about LTSP? I am in the middle of install and fail to start DHCP. Anyone can help please?
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| 00:48 | <johnny_> sorry, i don't use the packaged dhcp
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| 00:48 | i use dnsmasq for my ltsp dns
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| 00:48 | err dhcp
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| 00:49 | <User-1> is dhcp needed or can I let my router switch assign IP?
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| 00:49 | <johnny_> a dhcp server is needed, one that can hand off the chroot
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| 00:49 | err hand off the kernel image
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| 00:49 | <User-1> I see
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| 00:50 | <johnny_> or rather tell where the tftp server is
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| 00:50 | uggh
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| 00:50 | <User-1> anyone who can help me please? I am not experienced with linux and LTSP
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| 00:50 | <johnny_> if you're using some off the shelf router without custom firmware, you prolly can't use it
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| 00:50 | <sadmin> ok
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| 00:50 | not i wont see any error
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| 00:50 | either
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| 00:50 | <johnny_> not when you switch to the console?
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| 00:51 | cuz that's where i see the errors
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| 00:52 | <User-1> is there a way to understand why when I run /etc/init.d/dhcpd start it fails?
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| 00:52 | <johnny_> User-1, look at the logs in /var/log ?
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| 00:52 | i think you'll have better luck if you come here during a normal day in either the US or Europe
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| 00:52 | so.. in like 2 hours i guess
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| 00:52 | at the very least
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| 00:52 | i've been here for hours
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| 00:53 | pretty dead
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| 00:53 | <User-1> any file in particular to read in /var/log?
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| 00:53 | <johnny_> messages prolly
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| 00:54 | if you can't diagnose it yourself, maybe you should setup edubuntu, and follow their recommended wiring and setup guide
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| 00:54 | <User-1> I get: "Nov 9 07:54:17 localhost dhcpd: Configuration file errors encountered -- exiting"
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| 00:55 | If you did not get this software from ftp.isc.org, please
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| 00:55 | get the latest from ftp.isc.org and install that before
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| 00:55 | requesting help.
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| 00:55 | what should I do?
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| 00:55 | <johnny_> wait
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| 00:55 | <User-1> sure
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| 00:55 | <johnny_> or install edubuntu :)
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| 00:55 | i don't use that dhcp so i can't really help you with that
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| 00:55 | <User-1> ok, I will ask in centos
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| 00:56 | does UBUNTU offer any good server distro?
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| 00:56 | <johnny_> really tho.. i don't think i'd ever use a redhat distro
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| 00:56 | if all you plan on doing with this box is ltsp
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| 00:56 | use edubuntu
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| 00:56 | it's meant for ltsp
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| 00:57 | <User-1> ok, i will tyr
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| 00:57 | <johnny_> if edubuntu would have existed when i set this box up, i'd be using it
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| 01:04 | where the hell did the docs for this go
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| 01:04 | :(
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| 01:04 | * johnny_ tris to think of new terms | |
| 01:08 | <User-1> I got my issues fixed and have my server (centos) ready to run LTSP I believe
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| 01:08 | I wish toa sk
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| 01:08 | ask a question, no.
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| 01:08 | On the client, I do have a PC with a network boot NIC. What do I need in order to let the client boot?
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| 01:09 | Can I just use my NIC or do I need a software to boot off?
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| 01:10 | <johnny_> depends on if the nic has pxe boot rom alrady
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| 01:10 | already*
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| 01:10 | if it does, then you don't
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| 01:10 | if it offers network boot somewher ein the bios, then you don't
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| 01:11 | if neither, then yes.. i use etherboot
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| 01:11 | <User-1> ok, let me check
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| 01:15 | <johnny_> i meant that i use etherboot on the floppies of the 4 terms, it could also be run from hard disk or any other bootable media
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| 01:19 | <User-1> just a quick question (Yes, I have boot agent on my nic.) Do I have anything to open with my firewall?
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| 01:19 | <johnny_> who knows
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| 01:19 | it depends on your setup
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| 01:19 | <User-1> I ask this because my PC found my server but it faild at tftpd
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| 01:19 | <johnny_> look up howtonat
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| 01:19 | with ltsp
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| 01:19 | i saw that doc, but didn't read it
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| 01:20 | <User-1> which document?
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| 01:20 | <johnny_> howto nat ltsp
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| 01:20 | you'll find it
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| 01:20 | <User-1> ok
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| 01:24 | <vagrantc> User-1: you'll need to make sure that tftp, DHCP, and NFS or NBD related ports are allowed if you have any firewalling on the LTSP server.
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| 01:26 | <daya> channel, I follow the lower step in the wiki, http://wiki.debian.org/LTSP/Howto, but the sound is still not working
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| 01:26 | in my clinet syste, do i need some extra configuration for pulse audio for making it to work in client,
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| 01:27 | <vagrantc> daya: does your thin client detect sound?
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| 01:28 | <daya> vagrantc, no, its get played in the server,
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| 01:29 | <vagrantc> daya: look at /usr/share/doc/ltsp-server/README.Debian.sound
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| 01:29 | <daya> vagrantc, ok
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| 01:29 | <User-1> I am getting this error from my PC (booting with Managed PC Boot Agent (MBA)): PXE-E32: TFTP open Timeout
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| 01:29 | What does it mean?
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| 01:30 | <vagrantc> User-1: tftp is what is used to download the boot loader, which then downloads the operating system
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| 01:30 | <User-1> correct
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| 01:31 | <daya> vagrantc, one question please, do I need to do all the step in the readme file although I follwed the lower step of thewiki,
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| 01:31 | <User-1> why do I get this error?
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| 01:31 | <johnny_> hmm.. i still can't find any docs related to autologin in gutsy ltsp
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| 01:31 | i had it working with a hacked python version of ldm from gomi
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| 01:31 | <vagrantc> User-1: so ... sounds like either your tftp server isn't configured properly, you have a firewall blocking those ports ... or something else that's stopping tftp from working
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| 01:31 | <johnny_> but the paramters don't work anymore
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| 01:32 | <User-1> vagrantc, I believe it could be firewall.
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| 01:32 | vagrantc, I use centos. How to find out what to do or how to add ports for the firewall?
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| 01:32 | <vagrantc> User-1: i don't use centos, so i have no idea.
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| 01:32 | <User-1> vagrantc, [root@localhost log]# /etc/init.d/xinetd start
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| 01:32 | Avvio di xinetd: [ OK ]
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| 01:32 | the service is started
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| 01:33 | vagrantc, are ports I can disable from my firewall?
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| 01:33 | <vagrantc> User-1: is xinetd configured to start a tftpd ?
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| 01:33 | User-1: you need udp port 69
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| 01:34 | <User-1> how to find out?
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| 01:34 | <johnny_> all i see is people talking about the feature being added, but nobody talking about how to enable it
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| 01:34 | <vagrantc> !tftp
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| 01:34 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: Error: "tftp" is not a valid command.
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| 01:34 | <vagrantc> johnny_: what variables are you setting ?
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| 01:35 | !troubleshooting
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| 01:35 | <User-1> vagrantc, from ltspcfg I get this" tftpd Yes Yes Yes Has '-s' flag"
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| 01:35 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: "troubleshooting" is http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/TroubleShooting
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| 01:35 | <johnny_> LDM_USERNAME="hostname|"
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| 01:35 | LDM_PASSWORD="guest"
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| 01:35 | that's what i had working before
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| 01:35 | but those parameters are not in the official docs
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| 01:35 | <vagrantc> User-1: see anything on the troubleshooting web page ?
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| 01:36 | <User-1> vagrantc, which file should I look to check if xinetd is configured to start a tftpd?
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| 01:37 | <johnny_> damn.. it's almost 3am.. i haven't even done any of my paid work :( wtf :(
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| 01:37 | been too busy with my non-profit work :(
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| 01:38 | <User-1> vagrantc, solved
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| 01:38 | it was port 69 that needed to be opened
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| 01:38 | from firewall
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| 01:39 | vagrantc, now, I am left to solve NFS issues I got now
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| 01:39 | <vagrantc> johnny_: looking at the code, i don't *think* LDM supports the "hostname|" syntax ... i think it just copies the value
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| 01:39 | johnny_: but i'm not sure, my C is poor.
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| 01:39 | <johnny_> hmm.. got a link to the src?
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| 01:39 | or did you have it downloaded
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| 01:40 | <vagrantc> User-1: NFS uses *lots* of ports
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| 01:40 | <johnny_> but the parameters are correct?
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| 01:40 | <vagrantc> johnny_: parameters are correct, but i think you have to specify the username
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| 01:41 | <johnny_> or fix the src
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| 01:41 | depending
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| 01:41 | <vagrantc> well, sure.
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| 01:41 | <johnny_> does that gideon romm fellow ever come in here?
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| 01:41 | <vagrantc> gadi
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| 01:41 | yeah, gadi's around pretty often
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| 01:42 | <User-1> vagrantc, This is the error on the client I get: Failed to mount the root direcotry via NFS! .... Kernel panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill init!"
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| 01:42 | vagrantc, what do you suggest doing?
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| 01:42 | <johnny_> ok, for now.. i'll hack it by machien
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| 01:43 | via the lts.conf
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| 01:43 | <vagrantc> User-1: did you look at that troubleshooting page i mentioned earlier?
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| 01:43 | <johnny_> and then i'll ask gadi if he wants the former feature enabled
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| 01:43 | sadly it's just duplication :(
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| 01:43 | <vagrantc> johnny_: i think something like that is a good feature, and i was talking to sbalneav about it a couple weeks ago... something related, anyways
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| 01:44 | <johnny_> hmm.. ok.. well guess tonight was wasted :(
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| 01:44 | <User-1> vagrantc, here is a post of /var/log/message http://pastebin.com/m4da2a2bd
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| 01:45 | <vagrantc> !pastebot
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| 01:45 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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| 01:45 | <johnny_> after that.. i'll look into getting the local devices working again
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| 01:45 | where is the ldm src on the web vagrantc ?
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| 01:45 | <vagrantc> all over the place :)
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| 01:46 | <johnny_> i mean the versioned src
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| 01:46 | <vagrantc> all over the place
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| 01:47 | it's maintained in bzr, which is a distributed revision control system. there's been very recent work to start making more upstream source repositories soon.
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| 01:47 | User-1: so, at any rate, can you mount the NFS volume from the server itself ?
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| 01:47 | <johnny_> sure, but where is the release pulled from?
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| 01:48 | <vagrantc> User-1: mount -o ro 127.0.0.1:/opt/ltsp /mnt
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| 01:48 | johnny_: currently, the release system is not fully established
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| 01:49 | johnny_: so there is, technically no release
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| 01:49 | <User-1> vagrantc, this is what I have: http://pastebin.com/m2372b367
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| 01:49 | <johnny_> what distro's version of src did you look at then ?
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| 01:49 | <vagrantc> User-1: if you're not going to gigve me the information i asked, i'm not going to be able to help you.
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| 01:50 | <User-1> vagrantc, thi info I gave you displays the mount list
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| 01:50 | <vagrantc> johnny_: i looked at the debian branch, but it's very close to ubuntu.
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| 01:50 | <User-1> vagrantc, is not this what you asked?
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| 01:50 | vagrantc, I get nfsd on /proc/fs/nfsd type nfsd (rw)
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| 01:50 | <vagrantc> User-1: please run this command: mount -o ro 127.0.0.1:/opt/ltsp /mnt
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| 01:50 | <User-1> sure
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| 01:51 | vagrantc, I get: mount: 127.0.0.1:/opt/ltsp failed, reason given by server: Permission denied
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| 01:51 | <vagrantc> User-1: ok, good.
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| 01:51 | User-1: grep ltsp /etc/exports
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| 01:52 | <User-1> vagrantc, # on: ven nov 9 07:36:28 2007, by the ltspcfg configuration tool. /opt/ltsp 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0(ro,no_root_squash,sync) /var/opt/ltsp/swapfiles 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0(rw,no_root_squash,async)
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| 01:52 | <vagrantc> User-1: ps aux | egrep nfs
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| 01:53 | <User-1> vagrantc, as being severla lines I posted the output here http://pastebin.com/m7e7d4e2b
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| 01:53 | <vagrantc> User-1: there's also a pastebot for this channel.
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| 01:54 | !pastebot
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| 01:54 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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| 01:54 | <User-1> vagrantc, ok, will do so, thks
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| 01:55 | <ltsppbot> Someone pasted "# ps aux | egrep nfs root 3382" (11 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/342
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| 01:55 | <User-1> vagrantc, here it is: http://pastebot.ltsp.org/paste
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| 01:55 | <vagrantc> User-1: you don't have to tell me where it is, that's the ltsppbot 's job
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| 01:56 | User-1: anyways ...
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| 01:56 | <User-1> vagrantc, sorry I did not get this part. When I post it don't I have to give you the url?
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| 01:56 | <vagrantc> User-1: are all the ports that nfs and all related services open on your firewall?
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| 01:57 | <User-1> here we are again. I believe all issues come from my firewall.
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| 01:57 | <vagrantc> User-1: if you use pastebot.ltsp.org, ltsppbot will paste the URL automatically
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| 01:57 | <User-1> I see
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| 01:57 | <vagrantc> User-1: can you disable the firewall?
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| 01:57 | <User-1> let me see howto.
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| 01:57 | <vagrantc> at least for testing?
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| 01:57 | * User-1 checking... | |
| 01:58 | <vagrantc> nfs uses lots of ports ... i don't know all the ones to tell you
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| 01:58 | <User-1> vagrantc, I disabled it. Let me now try
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| 01:58 | <vagrantc> although, if you can even mount from 127.0.0.1 ... unless your firewall is also blocking local access ...
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| 02:00 | <User-1> vagrantc, thank you. My firewall was causing all these issues.
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| 02:01 | vagrantc, I am now at the login page. I should find out which ports to open for when I enable my firewall again. Any advice for this? Could it be written on the LTSP webpage?
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| 02:01 | <vagrantc> ah good, because i don't know much about centos, or LTSP 4.x for that matter
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| 02:02 | User-1: don't know anything off the top of my head ... look around on the wiki
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| 02:02 | <User-1> vagrantc, it works perfectly!
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| 02:02 | thank you!
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| 02:02 | <vagrantc> User-1: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/FirewallPorts
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| 02:03 | i guess it wasn't as bad as i thought
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| 02:03 | ltspbot: learn firewall as http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/FirewallPorts
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| 02:03 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: The operation succeeded.
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| 02:04 | <vagrantc> !firewall
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| 02:04 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: "firewall" is http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/FirewallPorts
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| 02:04 | <johnny_> uggh.. blackscreen again
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| 02:08 | <vagrantc> black screen?
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| 02:09 | not a grey screen?
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| 02:16 | !greyscreen
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| 02:16 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: "greyscreen" is No login, and only a grey screen? See http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Troubleshooting-GrayScreen
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| 02:18 | <daya> vagrantc, do i have to create asound.conf file manually,
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| 02:18 | <vagrantc> daya: probably
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| 02:19 | <daya> vagrantc, I have installed pulseaudio, but sound still not working,
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| 02:19 | I am trying it with totem player,
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| 02:20 | but now it also doesn't get played in the server also,
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| 02:21 | <vagrantc> daya: you probably need to configure the sound system that totem uses to use ALSA
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| 02:21 | does it use gstreamer?
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| 02:23 | <daya> yes , might be I am not sure of that,
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| 02:23 | <vagrantc> when i tested sound, i used xine, alsaplayer, xmms and rhythmbox .... alsaplayer was the trickiest
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| 02:23 | <daya> ok I use then, xmms,
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| 02:24 | <vagrantc> xmms, if i remember correctly, i had to tell it to use alsa instead of oss
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| 02:24 | <johnny_> that troubleshooting gray screen does not mention ldm, which works differently
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| 02:24 | <daya> vagrantc, but when I use , sound doesn't came either in client nor i server,
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| 02:24 | <vagrantc> johnny_: true true
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| 02:25 | <johnny_> and it was working before i enabled autologin like
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| 02:25 | [wsname]
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| 02:25 | LDM_USERNAME="wsname" LDM_PASSWORD="guest"
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| 02:25 | <vagrantc> johnny_: can you disable autologin and try entering in that user and password ?
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| 02:26 | daya: when you use what ?
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| 02:26 | <johnny_> yes, that worked
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| 02:27 | <daya> I have used xmms now, using alsa,
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| 02:27 | in the choice menu from the optin of the xmms pref.
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| 02:28 | <vagrantc> daya: and you've configured /etc/asound.conf like it says in the README.Debian.sound file?
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| 02:28 | <daya> vagrantc, do i need to edit asound.conf in chrooted file also,
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| 02:28 | <vagrantc> daya: no
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| 02:29 | <johnny_> ok vagrantc .. i'mma finally move my lts.conf out of my chroot and then update the image, and comment out the ws stuff
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| 02:29 | and try one more time
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| 02:30 | <vagrantc> daya: dpkg --root=/opt/ltsp/i386 -l ltsp*
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| 02:30 | daya: dpkg --root=/opt/ltsp/i386 -l ltsp* | egrep ^ii
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| 02:30 | <johnny_> silly ltsp-update-image should default to the only installed chroot
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| 02:30 | * vagrantc has no fondness over ltsp-update-image | |
| 02:32 | <daya> vagrantc, http://ltsp.pastebin.org/7526
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| 02:33 | vagrantc, http://pastebin.com/m2a01e211
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| 02:34 | <vagrantc> daya: dpkg -l ltsp* | egrep ^ii
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| 02:35 | daya: try pastebot.ltsp.org
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| 02:35 | <daya> vagrantc, ok sorry
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| 02:35 | <vagrantc> no need to re-send those ...
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| 02:35 | but for the next question
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| 02:36 | <ltsppbot> "daya" pasted "root@nepalinux:~# dpkg -l ltsp" (6 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/343
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| 02:36 | <vagrantc> ok.
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| 02:37 | daya: this is a standard debian etch installation?
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| 02:37 | <daya> vagrantc, You mean My system,
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| 02:37 | vagrantc, yes, localised,
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| 02:38 | <vagrantc> daya: what do you mean by localised?
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| 02:38 | <daya> vagrantc, I mean localisation in nepali language,
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| 02:38 | <johnny_> vagrantc, i just commented out all the autologin stuff, i get a prompt and can login
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| 02:39 | <vagrantc> johnny_: well, that's something
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| 02:39 | daya: so a lot of custom packages?
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| 02:39 | <johnny_> so..
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| 02:39 | what next then ?
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| 02:39 | <vagrantc> johnny_: figure out what's wrong with the C code?
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| 02:40 | <daya> vagrantc, yes , But we use the repo from debian etch,
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| 02:40 | <johnny_> vagrantc, but.. which copy :)
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| 02:40 | <vagrantc> johnny_: probably the one you're using ... which is ... ubuntu gutsy?
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| 02:40 | <johnny_> this is sad to see a reversing of the functionality :(
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| 02:40 | yeah.. but where ?
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| 02:41 | i'm not debian/ubuntu person really.. i use gentoo, but here at the store.. it's all ubuntu
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| 02:41 | <vagrantc> http://packages.ubuntu.com/gutsy/misc/ldm
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| 02:42 | johnny_: there's a bzr branch at: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/ltsp/gutsy-ltsp/
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| 02:42 | <johnny_> that's empty
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| 02:42 | <vagrantc> johnny_: it's a bzr URL
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| 02:42 | bzr get URL
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| 02:43 | johnny_: but the first link i posted was a regularly old web browser URL
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| 02:43 | johnny_: at the bottom is a link to download the source code
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| 02:44 | http://packages.ubuntu.com/gutsy/misc/ldm
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| 02:44 | <johnny_> yeah.. i'm at the first
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| 02:44 | oh.. you have to use bzr to see it ..
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| 02:44 | :(
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| 02:45 | <vagrantc> daya: so, when you're logged in: echo $ESPEAKER ; echo $PULSE_SERVER
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| 02:45 | johnny_: there's also some way to browse code on launchpad ...
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| 02:46 | johnny_: http://codebrowse.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/ltsp/gutsy-ltsp/files
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| 02:46 | gah. i got to get some sleep.
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| 02:47 | <johnny_> aha.. thanks for the help tho vagrantc
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| 02:47 | <daya> vagrantc,
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| 02:47 | sh-3.1$ echo $ESPEAKER
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| 02:47 | 192.168.2.247:16001
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| 02:47 | sh-3.1$ echo $PULSE_SERVER
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| 02:47 | tcp:192.168.2.247:4713
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| 02:47 | sh-3.1$
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| 02:47 | vagrantc, I have taken it from client machine,
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| 02:48 | <vagrantc> daya: ok, looks good.
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| 02:48 | daya: no idea what's wrong.
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| 02:48 | good luck, i'm getting some sleep.
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| 02:49 | <daya> vagrantc,:0
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| 02:49 | vagrantc, thanks :),
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| 05:11 | <exodos> !past
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| 05:11 | <ltspbot> exodos: Error: "past" is not a valid command.
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| 05:11 | <exodos> !paste
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| 05:11 | <ltspbot> exodos: Error: "paste" is not a valid command.
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| 05:12 | <exodos> sbalneav: can you check this: http://pastebin.com/m50400bdf
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| 05:12 | i think thit is caused by your modifications to sabayon-apply
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| 05:17 | <exodos> can anyone that knows python check http://pastebin.com/m50400bdf and say how can I fix it?
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| 05:17 | j #python
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| 05:17 | sry
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| 07:48 | <outofrang1> Anyone have xorg.conf for Bondi iMacs? I think I've got blue and green iMacs.
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| 07:49 | <cliebow__> outofrang: you mean just an xserver=??
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| 07:49 | <outofrang1> no, the entire config.
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| 07:50 | xserver = ati, right?
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| 07:50 | <cliebow__> i used i think xserver=fbdev
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| 07:51 | <outofrang1> Does that just set the driver in xorg.conf or does that actually select a different pre-defined configuration?
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| 07:52 | I ask because goggle finds posts about altering the refresh to make the old iMacs work.
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| 07:54 | <cliebow__> it creates an ltsp xf86cobfig on the fly...
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| 07:55 | prob there are many ways to skin the cat
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| 07:56 | <outofrang1> At this point I'm trying to find a way that takes the fewest number of days. ;P
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| 08:03 | <outofrang1> cliebow__: is XSERVER used by an init.d script? I'm not finding it when I grep /opt/ltsp/<arch>/etc for it.
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| 08:04 | <cliebow__> you are using ltsp on it?? xserver goes in lts.conf..
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| 08:05 | <outofrang1> Yes, I'm just trying to look for the scripts to get an understanding of how thing work.
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| 08:07 | <ronalde_> We can't use usb disks on gutsy: all steps from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebugLocalDev check out ok; except for the last one: ssh -S /var/run/ldm_socket_vt7_192.168.0.254 192.168.0.254 "/usr/sbin/ltspfsmounter /tmp add". This results in: X connection to localhost:10.0 broken (explicit kill or server shutdown).Error: /tmp/.auser-ltspfs/usbdisk-sdb1 is not mounted
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| 08:09 | <ronalde_> ogra: We can't use usb disks on gutsy: all steps from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebugLocalDev check out ok; except for the last one: ssh -S /var/run/ldm_socket_vt7_192.168.0.254 192.168.0.254 "/usr/sbin/ltspfsmounter /tmp add". This results in: X connection to localhost:10.0 broken (explicit kill or server shutdown).Error: /tmp/.auser-ltspfs/tmp is not mounted
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| 08:28 | <cliebow__> !g
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| 08:28 | <ltspbot> cliebow__: "g" is Gadi!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 08:40 | <upro> Hi everybody! This is a X resolution question: My server has a "normal" display (4:3), my cvlient has a 16:9 display. Everything on it looks "streched". How can I change the resolution on that display?
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| 08:43 | <Gadi> morning, cliebow
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| 08:43 | upro: it depends if your client's video chip can support widescreen video modes
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| 08:43 | many don't
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| 08:43 | also, my guess is your client has 16:10 not 16:9
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| 08:44 | <upro> Gadi: How can I find out this?
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| 08:44 | <Gadi> most computer monitors are the former
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| 08:44 | what chip do you have?
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| 08:44 | <upro> I'm not sure about that. The client is a HP
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| 08:45 | <Gadi> well, in lts.conf, set: SCREEN_07=shell
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| 08:45 | <upro> HP t5000
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| 08:45 | <Gadi> then, on the client, switch to ctrl-alt-f7 on boot
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| 08:45 | and do an lspci
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| 08:45 | to see what video chip it is
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| 08:45 | <upro> Gadi, wai, I have to switch it on...
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| 08:45 | <Gadi> or actually,
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| 08:45 | look in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
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| 08:46 | to see what driver it uses
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| 08:46 | <upro> Gadi: on xorg.conf on the client or the server?Iguess the clienthasno data?
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| 08:46 | <Gadi> (you may need to set CONFIGURE_X=True in lts.conf as well)
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| 08:46 | client
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| 08:46 | this is all about the client
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| 08:46 | you could just as easily boot the client off a livecd
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| 08:46 | if it makes it easier for you
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| 08:47 | <upro> Gadi: the client has no drives...
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| 08:47 | <Gadi> usb?
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| 08:47 | ;)
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| 08:47 | <upro> usb, yes...
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| 08:47 | <Gadi> anyhow, find out the video driver for the client
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| 08:47 | <Gadi> then google for it and widescreen xorg.conf
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| 08:48 | see what you get
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| 08:48 | :)
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| 08:48 | some drivers can be forced into non-native moddes
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| 08:48 | with modelines in the xorg.conf
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| 08:48 | note: widescreen support on thin clients as default modes is currently lacking across almost all mjor vendors
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| 08:48 | <upro> Gadi: Dies evyr client has it's own xorg.conf?
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| 08:49 | <Gadi> upro: every client has one generated on the fly
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| 08:49 | in LTSP
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| 08:49 | <Gadi> in gutsy LTSP5, you will probably have to specify: CONFIGURE_X=True
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| 08:50 | because its version of Xorg will not need a xorg.conf by default
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| 08:50 | <upro> Gadi: I upgraded to gusty yesterday, and this is the frst time I boot the client. It hangs after the login screen abd goes back to it after a while... I had this before but I don't remember what I did to it...
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| 08:51 | <Gadi> upro: you should probably regenerate the chroot
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| 08:51 | <upro> Gadi: How did I do this?
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| 08:51 | <Gadi> sudo mv /opt/ltsp/i386 /opt/ltsp/i386.feisty
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| 08:51 | sudo ltsp-build-client
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| 08:52 | <upro> Gadi: oh...
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| 08:52 | and then everything will be fine?
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| 08:52 | <Gadi> well, not the widescreen stuff
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| 08:52 | but, the other everything :)
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| 08:52 | <upro> biut the rest I guess? The login problem?
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| 08:52 | <Gadi> upro: yes, probably
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| 08:54 | <upro> Gadi: ok, this willtake a while. For the 16:9 where would I then put the settings for widescreen?
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| 08:54 | <Gadi> upro: it depends on what is needed
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| 08:54 | but, it could be astrivial as an X_MODE_0 line in lts.conf
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| 08:54 | <upro> Gadi: sounds complicated...
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| 08:55 | <Gadi> or as complicated as a special static xorg.conf for those client (X_CONF= in lts.conf)
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| 08:55 | <Gadi> yeah, widescreen can involve some playing
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| 08:55 | especially if you need to force the driver to do something it wasnt built for
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| 08:56 | but, find out what the driver is first
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| 08:56 | and then, you'll know ur options
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| 09:02 | <outofrang1> Gadi: X_CONF is a custom xorg.conf file?
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| 09:03 | How does it relate to XF86CONFIG_FILE?
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| 09:04 | * outofrang1 just posted wondering about this. | |
| 09:04 | <Gadi> outofrang1: they are the same (and there should be backwards compat in there for the var)
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| 09:04 | just changed the param name
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| 09:04 | to reflect, well X rather than XF86
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| 09:05 | ;)
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| 09:05 | <outofrang1> and it's relative to /opt/ltsp/<arch>/etc, correct?
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| 09:06 | <Gadi> it is relative to /opt/ltsp/<arch>
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| 09:06 | iirc
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| 09:06 | no, you may be right
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| 09:06 | best to put an absolute path, tho
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| 09:06 | to be sure
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| 09:06 | :)
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| 09:06 | <outofrang1> Is lts.conf parsed in a shell script?
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| 09:06 | <Gadi> it is parsed in several
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| 09:06 | with getltscfg
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| 09:07 | <outofrang1> I see. It's a binary -- no wonder I couldn't find where it did its work.
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| 09:09 | And then are things like XSERVER and X_HORZSYNC used directly by whatever bulids xorg.conf? I couldn't find those in any shell scripts, either.
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| 09:10 | <Gadi> look in /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/lib/ltsp/configure_x.sh
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| 09:10 | and /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/init.d/ltsp-client-core
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| 09:11 | brb
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| 09:11 | <outofrang1> I don't have /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/lib/ltsp/configure_x.sh. And ltsp-client-setup just copies $X_CONF to xorg.conf.
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| 09:14 | <outofrang1> Ah /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/lib/ltsp/configure-x.sh
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| 09:37 | <exodos> upro: server's display doesn't matter here
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| 10:38 | <yopla> hello! In ltsp5, howto change keyboard Layout?
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| 10:43 | <sutula> yopla: "XKBLAYOUT = us" (for example) in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf
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| 10:45 | <yopla> sutula: nope it doesn't work
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| 10:46 | * sutula shrugs...what Linux distro? | |
| 10:46 | <yopla> i've used etch ltsp-build-client
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| 10:47 | <sutula> yopla: That worked for me using the etch-backports recently
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| 10:47 | * sutula defines "recently" as about 2 months ago | |
| 10:48 | <yopla> i've dpkg-build(ed) from http://pkg-ltsp.alioth.debian.org/debian etch-ltsp-backports main
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| 10:48 | <yopla> caus mys server is amd64
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| 10:48 | <Q-FUNK> *yawn*
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| 10:48 | <sutula> yopla: Do you want the same settings for all the clients?
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| 10:49 | * sutula is wondering if yopla could just change it in the chroot | |
| 10:49 | <yopla> sutula: yes in /etc/lts.conf I have adde XKBLAYOUT=fr
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| 10:51 | <yopla> ** /opt/ltsp/i386 on server
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| 10:51 | which script does maintain lts.conf?
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| 10:52 | <sutula> yopla: look for vagrantc in this channel...he's not here now
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| 10:53 | <yopla> stugula: thank you :)
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| 10:54 | oups sutula
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| 10:55 | <sutula> yopla: With your different machine architectures, can you sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 on the server?
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| 10:56 | <yopla> yes i can
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| 10:58 | <sutula> yopla: Just a minute...looking something up
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| 11:00 | yopla: After doing that, how about "dpkg-reconfigure console-data"
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| 11:02 | <yopla> I try...
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| 11:04 | <yopla> argh! i'm still in qwerty
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| 11:05 | <sutula> yopla: You've exhausted my ideas :)
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| 11:05 | <yopla> lol thanks anyways
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| 13:28 | <outofrange> When is the lts.conf file normally copied to the tfptboot directory? I have /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf but missing the one for powerpc.
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| 13:28 | <sbalneav> outofrange: In the initramfs.
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| 13:29 | But none of the ppc stuff was tested, at least by me, as I don't have a ppc box to test against.
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| 13:29 | <outofrange> sbalneav: sorry, don't follow. Are you saying it's *in* the initramfs for powerpc?
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| 13:29 | <sbalneav> No, it's fetched via tftp within the initramfs
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| 13:30 | <outofrange> Oh, so I don't have one, but I can just create it in the tfptboot/ltsp/powerpc/ dir and be fine.
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| 13:30 | <johnny> i tried lts.conf in my tftproot for ltsp, and it never red it
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| 13:31 | read it*
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| 13:31 | <outofrange> Oh it reads the one in i386.
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| 13:31 | <johnny> lucky you :)
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| 13:31 | <outofrange> I think. I think I watched it in Wireshark.
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| 13:32 | <sbalneav> outofrange: Not sure if it's "powerpc" or "ppc"
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| 13:32 | * johnny tries to figure out why the new ldm won't work withou autologin anymore | |
| 13:32 | <johnny> it's powerpc
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| 13:32 | <outofrange> Yes powerpc for Edubuntu
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| 13:32 | <cliebow__> is that feisty..or gutsy?
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| 13:32 | <outofrange> Gutsy
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| 13:32 | <sbalneav> What's not working?
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| 13:33 | <johnny> uggh.. the C version of ldm does not autologin
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| 13:33 | i just get a black screen
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| 13:33 | <johnny> were you planning on putting the hostname| style in the new ldm ?
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| 13:33 | LDM_USERNAME="hostname|" like the python hack
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| 13:33 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: on debian based systems, it should be "powerpc"
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| 13:34 | <cliebow__> yes powerpc
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| 13:35 | <johnny> when i try to force autologin by hostname i have [ahostname] LDM_USERNAME="ahostname" LDM_PASSWORD="guest"
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| 13:36 | <johnny> i get a black screen, and when i set the console to shell, i get just the word hostname printed on the screen, in the function get_userid
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| 13:36 | when i try to start ldm that is
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| 13:40 | <sbalneav> johnny: The hostname| thing isn't currently in there.
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| 13:40 | I didn't get time to code it up
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| 13:40 | Does the ldm work if you use a greeter?
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| 13:41 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: the "hostname|" thing sounds very similar to the stuff i was talking about for obsoleting SDM
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| 13:41 | <johnny> not if the LDM_USERNAME and LDM_PASSWORD are set
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| 13:42 | but if i don't have themset, then i can login with thatvery same user/pass combo
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| 13:42 | <sbalneav> ok
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| 13:42 | can I see your lts.conf? Paste to the pastebot, please
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| 13:42 | !pasetbot
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| 13:42 | <ltspbot> sbalneav: Error: "pasetbot" is not a valid command.
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| 13:42 | <sbalneav> !pastebot
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| 13:42 | <ltspbot> sbalneav: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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| 13:43 | <outofrange> This old iMacs sure are slow.
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| 13:44 | <sbalneav> outofrange: Have you set LDM_DIRECTX?
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| 13:44 | <outofrange> Not that's I'm aware of. Where?
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| 13:44 | <ltsppbot> "johnny" pasted "lts.conf" (23 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/344
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| 13:44 | <johnny> note that they are all commented out
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| 13:44 | so i can have a working install :)
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| 13:46 | <sbalneav> outofrange: In the lts.conf file
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| 13:46 | <outofrange> Trying now.
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| 13:46 | <sbalneav> johnny: Try LDM_USERNAME=foo LDM_PASSWORD=bar
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| 13:46 | no quotes
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| 13:47 | <johnny> you really think that would affect it?
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| 13:47 | <sbalneav> Yup
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| 13:47 | <johnny> if so.. i'll rebuild the image in a lil while
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| 13:47 | i just copy and pasted my old one
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| 13:47 | which did have the quotes
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| 13:47 | <sbalneav> Why not just put your lts.conf in the tftp dir
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| 13:48 | <johnny> me? cuz it didn't work
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| 13:48 | <sbalneav> Should
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| 13:48 | /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf
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| 13:48 | <johnny> yes, i put it there
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| 13:48 | <sbalneav> make it world readable?
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| 13:48 | <johnny> but it never read it
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| 13:48 | <johnny> hmm.. that might have been it!
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| 13:48 | <sbalneav> tftp runs as nobody, so it has to be at least 444
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| 13:48 | <johnny> actually it is
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| 13:49 | 644
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| 13:49 | <sbalneav> Should work then. Try it again.
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| 13:49 | <johnny> too many terminal users atm, i can't even get on one of the PCs
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| 13:50 | <johnny> i just talked now cuz people are actually here
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| 13:50 | <outofrange> sbalneav: Seems a little faster. Can I see anything in my Xorg.0.log that would indicate it's enabled?
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| 13:50 | <sbalneav> Well, we come and go as we can.
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| 13:50 | <sbalneav> outofrange: In a gnome-terminal, echo $DISPLAY
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| 13:50 | what does it say?
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| 13:51 | <johnny> i know, i'm not expecting you to be on call at all times, i just figured more people would be around during this time period
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| 13:51 | so i could get some suggestions for later
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| 13:51 | <outofrange> 192.168.0.18:6.0
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| 13:51 | <sbalneav> johnny: Another thing I'd suggest, the hostname addressing might not work for you. Try MAC addressing in the lts.conf file.
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| 13:51 | it;s the preferred way.
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| 13:52 | outofrange: Yep, it's enabled.
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| 13:52 | <johnny> well the IP should work
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| 13:52 | by the time it's required
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| 13:52 | <sbalneav> Are you doing dynamic IP addressing
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| 13:52 | or assigned addresses?
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| 13:52 | <johnny> dhcp assigned IPs by mac, so not really dynamic
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| 13:53 | i don't want to put the mac or IP in yet another place
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| 13:53 | thus why the hostname| thing was so convenient
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| 13:53 | <sbalneav> I haven;t had a chance to do it yet.
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| 13:53 | <johnny> sure.. this'll be fine until thne
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| 13:53 | then*
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| 13:53 | <cliebow__> sbalneav ROCKS!!!
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| 13:54 | <cliebow__> hah
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| 13:54 | <jammcq> heh
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| 13:54 | <cliebow__> guess i dont need to flood the channel anyway..you Know what i mean
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| 13:57 | <outofrange> Hum, other than switching to F1, is there a way to get a local shell? I want to look at logs on the thin client.
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| 13:58 | <vagrantc> outofrange: set SCREEN_NN=shell
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| 13:58 | <outofrange> I mean in an xterm.
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| 13:59 | <sbalneav> outofrange: not without work, no.
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| 13:59 | <vagrantc> might be a nice debugging feature for LDM, though ... to spawn a local xterm
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| 13:59 | <outofrange> During development do you just switch between F1 and F7?
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| 13:59 | <sbalneav> You could install sshd in the chroot, and then set up a user to ssh in as.
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| 13:59 | outofrange: Yup.
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| 13:59 | <scrapbunny> hi i am getting an error on my clients, "Could not look up internet address for (none). This will prevent XFCE from operating properly." Is there a fix for this or would it b easier to switch back to GNOME?
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| 13:59 | <sbalneav> Over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over.
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| 14:00 | scrapbunny: Where are you getting this error?
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| 14:00 | vagrantc: localapps will allow that.
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| 14:00 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: i'm thinking about before even running as a user ...
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| 14:01 | sbalneav: just spawning an xterm like you spawn the greeter
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| 14:01 | <outofrange> So, sound worked on my newer powerpc iBook, but not on this Bondi iMac. Any suggestions where to look?
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| 14:02 | <scrapbunny> on my clients and server when I log in
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| 14:02 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: would be useful to debug login problems and such ...
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| 14:02 | <scrapbunny> I can click "Continue Anyway" or "Try Again"
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| 14:02 | <sbalneav> vagrantc: feel free to add.
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| 14:02 | <vagrantc> :)
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| 14:03 | <sbalneav> I have to sit down this weekend and try to re-do all the packaging for Ubuntu.
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| 14:04 | <jammcq> sbalneav: try it standing up
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| 14:04 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: have you had a chance to look at the work i did so far?
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| 14:05 | <sbalneav> No, where is it? The jetpipe stuff, or have you done others too?
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| 14:05 | <sbalneav> ogra!!!
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| 14:05 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: i posted to ltsp-developer
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| 14:05 | <sbalneav> Ah, ok, haven't checked that for a day or two.
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| 14:05 | <sbalneav> ogra: Hey, how's allhands?
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| 14:06 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: i think i've got ldm building for debian, though i haven't actually tried it yet
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| 14:06 | sbalneav: also merged the changes from debian
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| 14:06 | <prpplague> jammcq: greetings
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| 14:06 | <sbalneav> code changes to ldm?
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| 14:07 | anything serious?
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| 14:07 | Oh, hey.
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| 14:07 | Here's a question.
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| 14:07 | <Q-FUNK> *yawn* autumn fatigue really sucks.
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| 14:07 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: mostly just theme stuff, added "ltsp" theme and Debian theme ... but i really think all but one (or maybe two) example theme shouldn't be in ldm upstream
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| 14:08 | <sbalneav> I've ripped out some of the goo I wrote for the expect stuff, and am trying the libexpect functions.
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| 14:08 | vagrantc: Well, like the debian dir, I'm gonna leave all that in place 'till I'm SURE I don't need it.
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| 14:09 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: all what stuff ?
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| 14:09 | <sbalneav> the only problem is, I can't install libexpect.so without installing libexpect-dev
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| 14:09 | the stuff in sshutils.c in ldm. I wrote my own whacky expect stuff, I'd rather use something tried-tested-and-true.
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| 14:09 | <vagrantc> ah, yes.
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| 14:10 | <scrapbunny> any ideas on what I did?
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| 14:10 | <vagrantc> i thought you meant the themes
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| 14:10 | <sbalneav> so libexpect stuff seems to work, but I have to install a -dev package to get the .so's
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| 14:10 | * vagrantc is all for tried-tested-and-true | |
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| 14:11 | <sbalneav> now USUALLY, you'd just install libexpect, which would get you the .so, and the -dev package usually just has the headers
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| 14:11 | any reason why in debian/ubuntu this package is different?
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| 14:11 | * vagrantc sees no libexpect package | |
| 14:12 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: expect and expect-dev ?
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| 14:13 | <jammcq> prpplague: howdie
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| 14:13 | <prpplague> jammcq: hey, whats the smallest ltsp thin client you've seen?
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| 14:13 | <stgraber> sbalneav: I have a working iTalc :) (1.0.4 which will be released soon has the VNC thing patched)
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| 14:15 | <jammcq> prpplague: umm, the e2300 is pretty small, about the same size as your old tsx-1. I've heard of a small client that fits in an electrical box on the wall
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| 14:16 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: i see libexpect.so.5 in the expect package ...
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| 14:16 | sbalneav: so.5*
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| 14:17 | <sbalneav> bbiab
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| 14:17 | <vagrantc> ah, but the regular .so is only part of libexpect-dev ...
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| 14:17 | * vagrantc is pretty clueless with shared library stuff | |
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| 14:18 | <prpplague> jammcq: ahh, i made one out of our Hammer board this week, just for testing purposes
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| 14:18 | jammcq: 10baseT with usb keyboard and mouse
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| 14:18 | <jammcq> heh, what about video?
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| 14:18 | <prpplague> jammcq: the vga output is limited 4096 colors and 800x600
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| 14:18 | jammcq: not exactly a power house
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| 14:18 | jammcq: but cute
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| 14:19 | jammcq: everything fit in a small box just a little smaller than an altoid box
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| 14:22 | <johnny> if you use the startx screen script, you do get a root xterm
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| 14:22 | or at least i did
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| 14:23 | <Q-FUNK> window manager missing
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| 14:24 | <outofrange> Would a different window manager change performance much on these old iMac?
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| 14:24 | <johnny> not a differet window manager per se, but losing the gnome stack in general woudl help
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| 14:25 | but metacity isn't that good on it's own, so you would want to use a different window manager in any case
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| 14:25 | <Q-FUNK> icewm works well as a small DE
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| 14:25 | <outofrange> I like icewm -- that's on my desktop.
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| 14:25 | <cliebow__> icewm rocks..from an admin perspective
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| 14:26 | <cliebow__> i use icewm/nautilus..
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| 14:26 | <outofrange> my thin client powerpc environment is on an i386 server. Eh, how do I install new packages?
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| 14:26 | <cliebow__> apt-get..assuming you are not doing localapps
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| 14:27 | <Q-FUNK> cliebow__: architecture differnet. dpkg will barf.
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| 14:27 | <cliebow__> not what runs on server..
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| 14:27 | <vagrantc> you don't normally install packages in the chroot
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| 14:27 | <cliebow__> gd endians
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| 14:27 | <johnny> i did install strace on the chroot.
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| 14:27 | <outofrange> Right.
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| 14:27 | <Q-FUNK> you cannot even make a ppc chroot from an i386 host.
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| 14:28 | <prpplague> jammcq: it was zippy enough to do some desktop basics
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| 14:28 | <vagrantc> Q-FUNK: that's besides the point.
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| 14:28 | <Q-FUNK> dpkg complains that you are trying to install a ppc package on an i386 host and stops.
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| 14:29 | <vagrantc> you won't even get that far
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| 14:29 | <Q-FUNK> vagrantc: no it's not. see outofrange's question.
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| 14:29 | <cliebow__> i believe ogra said ltsp-update-image woild work fine with a powerpc
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| 14:29 | <outofrange> So, changing window manager's not going to make the *client* run faster (My P4 clients run really fast).
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| 14:29 | <vagrantc> Q-FUNK: outofrange is asking how to install a window manager, and it doesn't matter what the chroot environment is, the program installs and runs on the server itself, not the chroot environment
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| 14:29 | <outofrange> Yes
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| 14:30 | <vagrantc> unless it's localapps
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| 14:30 | <Q-FUNK> vagrantc: you still need a way to enter the chroot from the correct architecture.
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| 14:30 | <outofrange> If my p4 client is fine but the imac is slow it's either network or just slow machne. Right?
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| 14:30 | <vagrantc> Q-FUNK: no.
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| 14:30 | Q-FUNK: i mean, if you need to do something in the chroot, sure. but what is being asked about is not happening in the chroot.
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| 14:31 | <Q-FUNK> vagrantc: yes. dpkg won't allow you to install for another acrhitecture.
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| 14:31 | <cliebow__> i read it that way as well
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| 14:31 | <vagrantc> and even lots of things being done in the chroot don't require the same architecture (edited configuration files)
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| 14:31 | Q-FUNK: and there is no cross-architecture installation happening.
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| 14:32 | <Q-FUNK> he needs to install ppc packages into an ltsp environmnet hosted on i386. think.
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| 14:32 | <vagrantc> Q-FUNK: when installing a window manager on an i386 client with an i386 server, where do you install the window manager? in the server, or in the chroot? it's no different with a powerpc client.
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| 14:32 | * vagrantc suspects vagrantc has thought *way* more about this than many, many, many people. | |
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| 14:33 | <vagrantc> Q-FUNK: no need to tell me to think, i've done cross-chroot hosted diskless and LTSP environments on many occasions.
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| 14:33 | <Q-FUNK> *sigh*
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| 14:34 | <vagrantc> *if* it was installing the window manager to run as a local application, then it would need to be done with an appropriate architecture, but that does not seem to be the case here.
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| 14:34 | <outofrange> vagrantc: correct.
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| 14:35 | O
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| 14:35 | <vagrantc> in a typical LTSP environment, all applications are installed on the server itself.
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| 14:35 | which means, no need to worry about the client architecture.
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| 14:35 | * sbalneav wonders again about the viability of using qemu in ppc mode to manage ppc chroots on an i386 box. | |
| 14:35 | <cliebow__> sbalneav:my head hurts..
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| 14:35 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: haven't had much luck.
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| 14:36 | <Q-FUNK> precisely my point.
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| 14:36 | <vagrantc> i've tried qemu's ppc, arm and sparc emulation without a lot of luck ... though it's been a while.
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| 14:36 | Q-FUNK: are we even talking about the same thing here?
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| 14:36 | <outofrange> I'm just curious because OS 9 is reasonably snappy on this machine. But it's a bit slow as a thin client. Yet, my P4 thin clients are very responsive. So, maybe LAN??
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| 14:36 | <sutula> vagrantc: Since the question comes up and there's sometimes need to install (or dpkg-reconfigure) something in the chroot, what would be the best way to do it?
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| 14:37 | <sbalneav> outofrange: is it a 10 or 100 megabit network card?
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| 14:37 | <vagrantc> sutula: boto a machine of the appropriate architecture and modify the chroot.
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| 14:37 | s,boto,boot,
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| 14:37 | <cliebow__> i just use an ibook to build my chroot..
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| 14:37 | <Q-FUNK> vagrantc: I'm beging to wonder about that.
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| 14:37 | <outofrange> How can I tell?
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| 14:37 | <sbalneav> No idea. I know nothing about mac hardware.
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| 14:37 | Google knows, I bet.
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| 14:38 | <vagrantc> Q-FUNK: what i'm talking about is hosting an existing chroot on a different architecture.
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| 14:38 | <outofrange> Any reason you couldn't F1 on the thin client, mount the chroot and then sudo chroot?
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| 14:38 | <Q-FUNK> outofrange: which hardware?
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| 14:38 | <vagrantc> Q-FUNK: creating the chroot is a different matter.
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| 14:38 | <cliebow__> outofrange, is you name to ip resolution good?
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| 14:38 | <outofrange> You mean is it a dns issue?
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| 14:39 | <Q-FUNK> vagrantc: hosting is easy. it's just a big folder; it can go anywhere. creating a chroot and adding/removing packages for another architecutre is a whole other ball game.
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| 14:39 | <sutula> outofrange: Sounds reasonable if the client can write the file system
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| 14:39 | <vagrantc> Q-FUNK: agreed.
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| 14:39 | Q-FUNK: and normally, you don't install the window manager in the chroot ... hence ...
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| 14:39 | <outofrange> It's more that menus are sluggish. Just slow GUI.
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| 14:40 | <vagrantc> Q-FUNK: X windows becomes the cross-architecture platform ...
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| 14:40 | <Q-FUNK> vagrantc: ideally, yes
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| 14:40 | <vagrantc> Q-FUNK: and in a typical LTSP environment, the window manager is installed on the server ...
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| 14:40 | Q-FUNK: architecture doesn't matter.
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| 14:41 | the only thing running on the thin client is basically X
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| 14:41 | <Q-FUNK> outofrange: if you have speed mismatches, it could explain the sluggish behavior. e.g. 10baseT old Mac connecting to 100bseT or, even worse, to Gigabit network.
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| 14:41 | <outofrange> http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/imac/stats/imac_ab.html shows 100Base-T
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| 14:41 | <Q-FUNK> sbalneav: speaking of X, does the patch work for you?
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| 14:42 | outofrange: another thing to check is how fast of a server you have in terms of MHz.
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| 14:44 | <outofrange> It's just a P4 3.2Ghz with 1GB, but I'm comparing the performance of the iMac with another P4 3.2Ghz thin client. The P4 is running at 2048x1536, too.
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| 14:45 | <Q-FUNK> ah. screen resolution might be an issue too. the bigger, the more data needs to be drawn by remote.
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| 14:45 | <vagrantc> but the bigger one is working fine
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| 14:45 | <outofrange> The point is that the iMac is just running X, nothing else, and should be 100Mbit LAN (just like the other P4 client) but it's a bit slow. SO maybe it's just because it a slow machine.
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| 14:45 | Right
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| 14:46 | <vagrantc> outofrange: video hardware differences, possibly
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| 14:46 | <outofrange> Makes sense. I need to boot back to OS 9 and compare again. Maybe I'm remember it faster than it really is.
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| 14:47 | <vagrantc> outofrange: better yet would be to get it running linux and see if the xserver is slow ...
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| 14:47 | outofrange: might just be poorly supported graphics card for X.org
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| 14:47 | <outofrange> Good idea.
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| 14:48 | <outofrange> /var/log/syslog isn't written on the clients? All sent to syslogd?
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| 14:49 | Looks like it.
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| 14:50 | When I enable syslogd on the server the messages seem to come in once every 5 seconds. Is that configured that way?
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| 14:54 | <sutula> outofrange: Do you need the encryption or have you already turned it off? That burns CPU on both the client and server.
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| 14:54 | <outofrange> No, I don't. That's server wide, correct?
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| 14:55 | Oh, I already have LDM_DIRECTX=True
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| 14:56 | * sutula isn't sure of the answer to that, but knows that you could skip ldm completely to avoid it | |
| 14:56 | <sutula> However, suggesting using xdmcp would surely bring down the wrath of this channel upon me :)
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| 14:56 | ...but you can pick that per-client
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| 14:57 | <outofrange> Yes, if it's in lts.conf. I didn't connect LDM_DIRECTX with un-encrypted session.
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| 14:58 | One last issue -- any ideas about sound? It works on my iBook but not on this iMac.
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| 15:00 | <vagrantc> LDM_DIRECTX=True is basically using the same technology as XDMCP for the vast majority of traffic with the exception of login
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| 15:02 | outofrange: check if $ESPEAKER and $PULSE_SERVER are set ...
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| 15:02 | <jammcq> LDM_DIRECTX=True says "Use X protocol on the wire, rather than wrapping it in SSH"
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| 15:02 | <vagrantc> outofrange: might be that the sound hardware wasn't autodetected
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| 15:03 | <jammcq> it really has nothing at all to do with XDMCP
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| 15:03 | <outofrange> Those are not in the environment
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| 15:03 | <vagrantc> jammcq: yes and no
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| 15:03 | <jammcq> XDMCP is the protocol for logging in and creating a session
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| 15:03 | <outofrange> I don't see sound in lspci, either.
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| 15:03 | <vagrantc> true true
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| 15:03 | <outofrange> or in dmesg
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| 15:03 | <jammcq> once the session has been created, it's X all the way, baby
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| 15:03 | <vagrantc> jammcq: but once the login happens, it's using the same technology
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| 15:03 | <jammcq> it's no longer using XDMCP, it's using X Protocol
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| 15:04 | <vagrantc> jammcq: whereas when LDM_DIRECTX=false, there's an ssh layer thrown in there.
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| 15:04 | <jammcq> XDMCP starts and stops the session
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| 15:04 | right
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| 15:04 | it's either X by itself or X over SSH
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| 15:04 | the only way you'll use XDMCP is if you use GDM, KDM or XDM
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| 15:05 | <jammcq> and even then, you'll only see about 6 XDMCP packets on the wire, cuz once you've logged in and created the session, it's just X
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| 15:05 | <vagrantc> so the only difference between XDMCP and using LDM with LDM_DIRECTX=True is basically the login ... after that, it's essentially the same (except local devices and remote sound assumes you're using LDM mostly)
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| 15:06 | <jammcq> well, you comparing LDM with [GKX]DM ?
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| 15:06 | or LDM with/without DIRECT_X
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| 15:07 | apples and bananas
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| 15:07 | * jammcq is just pointing out the fact that there's a difference between the 'XDMCP' protocol and the 'X' protocol | |
| 15:08 | <vagrantc> i am comparing people's performance expectations when using LDM_DIRECTX vs. XDMCP (gdm/kdm/xdm/wdm)
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| 15:11 | so yes, there's logging in using XDMCP, there's logging in using LDM with LDM_DIRECTX=True ... and both of these, once logged in, are essentially the same (using the X protocol). when logging in with LDM using LDM_DIRECTX=False, there's ssh X11 forwarding in addition to the X protocol.
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| 15:11 | <jammcq> right
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| 15:11 | s/essentially/exactly/
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| 15:12 | <vagrantc> well, i chose essentially, because there are subtle differences, in that your local device and sound plumbing will be easier to set up.
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| 15:12 | <outofrange> vagrantc: $ESPEAKER and $PULSE_SERVER are not in the environment on my iBook, either. But sound works there.
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| 15:12 | <vagrantc> :)
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| 15:13 | outofrange: you're doing that when logged from the thin client ?
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| 15:13 | <outofrange> Yes, switching to F1
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| 15:13 | <vagrantc> no
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| 15:14 | do it from the login on the server
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| 15:14 | <outofrange> Oh in an xterm
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| 15:14 | <vagrantc> yes
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| 15:15 | <outofrange> Just $ESPEAKER are set on both
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| 15:15 | <vagrantc> what linux distro is this?
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| 15:16 | <outofrange> Edubuntu Gutsy on the server. I used Xubuntu to build the thin client env.
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| 15:17 | <vagrantc> outofrange: coudl you paste your lts.conf to the pastebot?
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| 15:17 | !pastebot
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| 15:17 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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| 15:17 | * vagrantc wishes there was a way to tell the ltspbot to direct the comment to someone else | |
| 15:17 | <ltsppbot> Someone pasted "moseley@ltsps0:/var/lib/tftpbo" (7 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/345
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| 15:18 | <vagrantc> odd.
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| 15:18 | i thought gutsy enabled pulseaudio by default ...
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| 15:18 | <outofrange> I think it is
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| 15:19 | <vagrantc> doesn't seem like it, or $PULSE_SERVER would be set
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| 15:19 | <outofrange> Maybe so.
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| 15:19 | But I have sound. ;)
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| 15:19 | It is, when I run auxmix I see plus audio.
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| 15:19 | alsamixer, that is.
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| 15:19 | <vagrantc> sure
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| 15:19 | * vagrantc can't keep up with gutsy | |
| 15:20 | <outofrange> When I run it on the iMac I get connection refused.
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| 15:20 | <vagrantc> well, there's something
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| 15:20 | <outofrange> Yes. I wish I had /var/log/syslog on the iMac
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| 15:21 | <vagrantc> outofrange: if $ESPEAKER is set but $PULSE_SERVER isn't, i would think your sound system is using esound instead of pulseaudio
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| 15:21 | <upro> Hi again! After upgrading to gutsy I have agina an old problem: My clients can't login. It stalls for a while, then goes back to the login screen. I don't remember how I resolved this before, could someone please point me there?
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| 15:21 | <outofrange> Well, when I run alsamixer it says "PLUSEAUDIO: Unable to connect: Connection refused"
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| 15:22 | upro: ltsp-update-sshkeys?
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| 15:22 | <upro> outofrange: let's see...
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| 15:23 | <outofrange> Would need to also do ltsp-update-image, IIRC, so that the clients get the new keys.
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| 15:23 | <vagrantc> outofrange: can you get a login on the thin client itself (not using ldm)
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| 15:23 | <outofrange> Yes, F1
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| 15:23 | <vagrantc> outofrange: ps aux | egrep pulse
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| 15:23 | <upro> outofrange: I updated the entire ltsp section (moved the opls opt/ltps/i386)
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| 15:24 | outofrange: still no success after ltsp-update-sshkeys
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| 15:24 | <outofrange> Not running on the iMac
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| 15:24 | <vagrantc> outofrange: the working machine?
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| 15:24 | <outofrange> Not there either.
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| 15:24 | <vagrantc> i'm at a loss.
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| 15:25 | <outofrange> weird
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| 15:25 | <vagrantc> outofrange: ps aux | egrep esound
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| 15:25 | outofrange: ps aux | egrep 'esound|esd'
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| 15:25 | <outofrange> upro: you would need to update the images, too, I thnk.
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| 15:26 | <upro> outofrange: ltsp-update-image is the same as upgrading the ltsp image?
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| 15:26 | outofrange: I'm doing it right now
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| 15:26 | <outofrange> vagrantc: nope, no sound|audio.
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| 15:26 | <vagrantc> outofrange: ??
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| 15:26 | <outofrange> Wait.
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| 15:27 | Ya pulseaudio is running on the ibook
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| 15:28 | <outofrange> Hey, I'm sitting in front of six screens and two keyboards... ;)
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| 15:28 | <vagrantc> yes, i'm i'm behind another trying to help you :P
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| 15:28 | <outofrange> :-)
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| 15:28 | So pluseaudio is running on the iBook but not on the iMac -- maybe I should just try running it and see what it says.
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| 15:29 | <vagrantc> outofrange: my guess is that it didn't autodetect your sound card
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| 15:31 | <outofrange> Hum, how do I su to user "pulse"?
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| 15:32 | su pulse -c pulseaudio just returns
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| 15:33 | <vagrantc> outofrange: i would first figure out what your sound card is, and if it's detected
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| 15:33 | outofrange: it's probably as simple as telling it to load a kernel modules from lts.conf
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| 15:34 | outofrange: lspci ; lsmod
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| 15:36 | <ltsppbot> Someone pasted "moseley@ltsps0:~$ cat lsmod.im" (29 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/346
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| 15:36 | <outofrange> Smallest lspci I've seen!
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| 15:36 | no snd
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| 15:37 | <vagrantc> hmm... yeah. no idea what to load
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| 15:38 | <outofrange> I loaded snd but still need to load the pulseaudio server on the client.
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| 15:38 | modprobe snd did load the modules
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| 15:39 | <vagrantc> outofrange: what modules did it load?
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| 15:39 | outofrange: usually you need a specific module for your specific sound card ...
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| 15:39 | <outofrange> snd-powermac (if google is right)
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| 15:39 | <vagrantc> ok
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| 15:39 | sounds more promising. ...
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| 15:40 | <outofrange> Don't have that module.
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| 15:40 | <vagrantc> ah, well...
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| 15:40 | if you find the module that loads your sound system ...
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| 15:40 | <outofrange> Maybe the K12LTSP list would be a good place to ask.
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| 15:41 | <vagrantc> add: MODULE_00=foo to lts.conf and reboot your thin client
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| 15:41 | <outofrange> When developing how do you look at syslog?
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| 15:41 | <vagrantc> outofrange: cliebow also has done some mac stuff ...
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| 15:42 | outofrange: generally i enable remote syslogging ont he server
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| 15:42 | <outofrange> Do you see the messages come in once every 5 seconds? It was too slow when I had it enabled.
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| 15:42 | Took forever just to get the boot messages...
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| 15:42 | <vagrantc> they usually come in about as fast as they get sent
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| 15:43 | <outofrange> Something odd in the config, perhaps.
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| 15:43 | <vagrantc> the boot log will be a little slow, in that it only kicks in when syslogd starts ...
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| 15:43 | although, maybe it's different on ubuntu- i don't know if they've switched the syslog system yet
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| 15:44 | <outofrange> It was like clock work -- once every 5 seconds. Maybe syslogd throttled.
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| 15:44 | vagrantc++ thanks for all your time.
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| 15:46 | <johnny_> finally back to the terminals :)
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| 15:47 | <cliebow> outofrange, jim kronebush did some sound work on Bondi
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| 15:48 | <outofrange> Hey. Did you have sound?
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| 15:48 | Sorry, read that wrong. I'll post to K12LTSP.
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| 15:53 | <cliebow> jim@winonacutter...something like that
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| 16:04 | <Q-FUNK> yes, those G3 imacs use snd-powermac
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| 16:04 | I have one here
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| 16:06 | G4 and more recent hardware uses snd-aop
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| 16:10 | <cliebow> ahh!
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| 16:12 | <Q-FUNK> there's some kind of data bus that the old G3's and older PPC lack that prevents them form being migrated to snd-aop
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| 16:12 | <outofrange> Great, and I don't have snd-powermac.
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| 16:12 | <Q-FUNK> no?
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| 16:13 | <outofrange> No, it's there. I just didn't see scrolling
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| 16:13 | <Q-FUNK> isn't it included in stock kernels?
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| 16:13 | it's not loaded by udev, if that's what you meant
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| 16:14 | <outofrange> Maybe so -- I must have just missed it.
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| 16:14 | <Q-FUNK> too many oddball old PPC subarch covered by that driver and nobody ever bothered sorting thru this to have them autodetected by udev
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| 16:15 | <outofrange> MODULE_00 = snd-powermac should do it. Let me try
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| 16:20 | <johnny_> ok.. tested with mac addresses instead of hosts and ips, still no dice
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| 16:21 | <outofrange> Odd. It beeped at me in an xterm but still not pluseaudio running.
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| 16:21 | <johnny_> i'm not sure what else to try
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| 16:23 | <outofrange> So all my sound modules are loading, but Pulseaudio is not loaded. Maybe when syslog catches up I'll see something.
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| 16:25 | <johnny_> ldm2 just says hostname when i run it manually
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| 16:30 | <outofrange> Anyone know what starts pulseaudio on the client? /etc/default/pulseaudio has the init.d script disabled. (that way on the working iBook, too).
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| 16:40 | <johnny_> anybody else here trying to use ldm autologin ?
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| 16:40 | oh.. with gutsy
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| 16:43 | <outofrange> Well, I guess this is it:
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| 16:43 | Sound requested but /dev/dsp is missing.
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| 16:44 | But it's there. Maybe starting sound is happening before loading snd-powermac?
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| 16:49 | <johnny_> sbalneav, sorry to call you out, but did you have any more suggestions, as i tried with mac addresses too
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| 19:42 | <jammcq> hey all
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| 19:46 | <hersonl2> say
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| 19:49 | <johnny_> ugghz
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| 19:53 | <jammcq> hey fgiraldeau
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| 19:53 | <fgiraldeau> hi there!
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| 19:53 | Hope that you're all fine
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| 19:54 | Jesus, Bar Harbor is quite lost in the world
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| 19:55 | When I went back to home, the road was blocked by a tree that felt by night
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| 19:55 | <johnny_> anybody here used autologin with gutsy ltsp?
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| 19:56 | <fgiraldeau> jammcq : I had the meeting with my thesis director, and NX will be the subject of my reseach
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| 19:57 | <jammcq> wow
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| 19:57 | <fgiraldeau> jammcq : the NBD enhancement proposal may be done by other student team, but solutions are more obvious...
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| 19:58 | In many papers I'm reading, the main concern for the user's experience is about latency
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| 19:59 | I think I will have great time to dig into this
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| 19:59 | <jammcq> yes, lots to learn there
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| 19:59 | <fgiraldeau> What about the day I missed?
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| 20:00 | BTW, my brother didn't succeed ;)
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| 20:00 | <jammcq> bummer :(
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| 20:00 | on sunday, we went driving around, searching for breakfast. we had to go over to Bar Harbor and found a great place to eat
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| 20:00 | <fgiraldeau> he lost with 35% of casts
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| 20:00 | <jammcq> then, we drove around and went to the top of Mt.Cadilac
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| 20:01 | didn't get back to the seawall until about 2pm
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| 20:01 | <fgiraldeau> What a nice place
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| 20:01 | <jammcq> yeah, then we hacked all the rest of the day
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| 20:02 | a great time was had by all
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| 20:02 | <fgiraldeau> I'm pretty sure! And does the package source have been refactored?
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| 20:02 | <jammcq> umm, much work was done on that
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| 20:02 | I'm not sure if it's complete yet
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| 20:03 | <fgiraldeau> I will sync my branch from there and start from there
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| 20:04 | Ok, thanks for the info, I will stay tuned
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| 20:04 | <cliebow> fgiraldeau, !!!!!!NX rocks!!
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| 20:05 | <johnny_> sure.. but how about we get non NX working first :)
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| 20:05 | hehe
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| 20:06 | <cliebow> Good grief!
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| 20:06 | <fgiraldeau> cliebow : I think so. I wish to know more about how does it works, how it compares to other techno and how we could improve it.
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| 20:07 | <johnny_> i heard rdp works well.. but only tested it over a really bad network
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| 20:07 | <fgiraldeau> The code is open source, but the research behind it seems secret.
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| 20:08 | johnny_ : and so, you have a problem with autologin?
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| 20:08 | <cliebow> fgiraldeau, well i am only an end user..but had some time with "the happy packet" fabian franz...
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| 20:08 | <fgiraldeau> cliebow : what it that, the happy packet?!
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| 20:08 | <jammcq> the "Happy Packet Dance"
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| 20:09 | Fabian does a great presentation about how NX works
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| 20:09 | <fgiraldeau> What the hell is that?!
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| 20:09 | <cliebow> at uds in Montreal he did a presentation that became know n as the " hapy packet" dance
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| 20:09 | <jammcq> Fabian is the guy behind FreeNX
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| 20:09 | <fgiraldeau> Fabian Rodrigues?
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| 20:09 | <johnny_> freenx is pretty neat .. i almost had that working once
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| 20:09 | <jammcq> Fabian Franz
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| 20:10 | <johnny_> fgiraldeau, yes :)
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| 20:10 | <fgiraldeau> Franz, don't know.
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| 20:10 | <jammcq> fgiraldeau: is your research going to be published in English or French ?
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| 20:10 | <cliebow> he waltzed from end to end of the room showing us how the packets would aggregate and traverse the network together
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| 20:11 | i use freenx every day...err now the nomachine free client
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| 20:11 | free server
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| 20:11 | <fgiraldeau> jammcq : I will write articles in english
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| 20:11 | <jammcq> excellent
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| 20:11 | i'm looking forward to reading them
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| 20:12 | <fgiraldeau> cool
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| 20:12 | <johnny_> fgiraldeau, yes.. i had autologin working previously
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| 20:12 | in the python version of ldm
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| 20:12 | <cliebow> fgiraldeau, happy to proofread for you 8!~)
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| 20:13 | <fgiraldeau> johnny_ : ... and now with the new LDM, it's not working the same?
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| 20:13 | <johnny_> correct
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| 20:13 | <fgiraldeau> Il will get a look, wait a minute.
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| 20:13 | <johnny_> fgiraldeau, i heard the development of ldm is relatively spread out, so if you're not using debian/ubuntu.. it might not even be the same
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| 20:13 | :(
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| 20:15 | <fgiraldeau> johnny_ : if (getenv("LDM_USERNAME") || getenv("LDM_PASSWORD")) {ldminfo.autologin = TRUE;}
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| 20:15 | <cliebow> johnny, ldm is the creation of sbalneav....for all practical purposes
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| 20:15 | <fgiraldeau> So, LDM_USERNAME and LDM_PASSWORD should be set in the lts.conf file.
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| 20:16 | <johnny_> they are
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| 20:16 | when they are set, i just get a black screen
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| 20:16 | with cursor
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| 20:18 | <fgiraldeau> If you do a login by hand, does it works?
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| 20:18 | <johnny_> correct
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| 20:18 | i get down to seeing the words In get_userid
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| 20:18 | which is a function
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| 20:18 | i have some version of the new ldm src
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| 20:18 | link given to me my vagrantc
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| 20:19 | err by*
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| 20:19 | <fgiraldeau> Do you see if the ssh login is working correctly on the server side?
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| 20:19 | <johnny_> hmm... good idea
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| 20:19 | i do see the fact it says starting ldm too
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| 20:19 | and then i just see the word hostname
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| 20:19 | on the client
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| 20:19 | when i switch to console mode that is
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| 20:19 | <fgiraldeau> server:/var/log/auth.log
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| 20:20 | <johnny_> i think seeing the plain word hostname is a problem
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| 20:20 | but i'll look into the auth log
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| 20:20 | brb
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| 20:20 | <fgiraldeau> ok, right. And doing "ps fax" on the thin-client may help to see what's happening
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| 20:20 | <cliebow> fgiraldeau, anyway...pleasur meeting you at bts..
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| 20:21 | <fgiraldeau> cliebow : Really nice, but I'm sorry that the netvista you had is so misterious
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| 20:22 | <cliebow> it is an old piece of crap client..but it is all i have 8~)
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| 20:24 | <johnny_> it never tries fgiraldeau
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| 20:24 | i never get anything in the /var/log/auth.log
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| 20:25 | <cliebow> Gadi spent some time with me on Sunday with the netvista...until it became clear it was not worth the efort
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| 20:25 | <johnny_> neither failure nor success
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| 20:26 | <fgiraldeau> johnny_ : Ok, what about ps fax in a console on the thin-client?
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| 20:26 | There are also logs on the thin-client
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| 20:26 | <johnny_> hmm.. which one shoudl i check
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| 20:27 | the last one i see is in /var/log/ldm.log
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| 20:27 | i'll look for a few
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| 20:29 | <fgiraldeau> ok
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| 20:29 | I'm starting my own thin-client right now...
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| 20:29 | <cliebow> later/////
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| 20:30 | <johnny_> ok, checked all the logs, nothing i saw is relevent
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| 20:31 | the biggest indicator was seeing the word hostname on the console when i switched back to the vt1 after starting ldm
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| 20:31 | it seems like it echos the phrase hostname in ldm, but doesn't execute it in that case
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| 20:31 | but i don't really know C that well
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| 20:37 | <fgiraldeau> I agree, it's a bit strange. I'm trying to reproduce the error, give me few minutes.
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| 20:38 | <johnny_> what distro are you using?
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| 20:38 | <fgiraldeau> gutsy
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| 20:39 | <johnny_> awesome
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| 20:39 | <fgiraldeau> If there is a bug, let's find it
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| 20:54 | <fgiraldeau> As far as I see, it seems to have a problem. I got ldm that is launching X, but no SSH connexion is started
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| 20:55 | In get_userid, as you said
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| 20:56 | <andre> I have a bizzare sound issue, for some reason the sound on all my ltsp terminals only plays once. No matter what app is using sound, and they all work the first time, only works once. Not that each app only works once the system only works once, or the first sound to play is the only one that works. There are no errors on either the ltsp server (sound client) or the ltsp terminal (sound server) so I am at a loss
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| 20:59 | <johnny_> fgiraldeau, ok good. i'm glad i'm not the only one
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| 21:02 | <fgiraldeau> johnny_ : I will open a bug about it, but I need a bit more info before that. I will add some debugging info to ldm.
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| 21:03 | Thanks for reporting the bug.
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| 21:04 | <johnny_> well i didn't know it was a bug, i thought i messed up :)
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| 21:04 | i'd like to know what you come up with from your debugging
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| 21:04 | as well as have a bug to read
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| 21:09 | <fgiraldeau> cool, I will probably post on the devel mailing list about it.
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| 21:30 | <johnny_> uggh.. i wnated the post :)
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| 22:11 | <fgiraldeau> johnny_ : Are you there yet?
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| 22:11 | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+bug/161794
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