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Channel log from 17 September 2009 (all times are UTC)
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| 00:23 | <nonix4> Where's ltsp upstream source?
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| 00:24 | <stgraber> on launchpad
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| 00:24 | <alkisg> https://code.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream
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| 00:28 | <cyberorg> stgraber, hi, you did some work on "fatclient" recently, we have "ltsp-localapps icewm" selection available at ldm, what is the difference from that?
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| 00:28 | <alkisg> stgraber: is there any way to get previous releases from your ppa? E.g. I have 5.1.74 installed, and it has some problems with localapps, but the latest 5.1.85 is too different (not all teachers will be able to update the chroot). So I was looking to find an intermediate release, e.g. 5.1.75... is that possible?
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| 00:35 | <vagrantc> cyberorg: are you using the --wait feature? how does it know when the session is over?
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| 00:36 | cyberorg: i originally played with using ltsp-localapps to start a session, but i could never figure out a clean way to end the session.
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| 00:38 | cyberorg: essentially, the fatclient plugin uses the a lot of the localapps features, like the sshfs mounted home dir, group/uid updating, etc. but instead of running the session as a localapp, it just executes the session directly on the thin-client from LDM...
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| 00:39 | <cyberorg> vagrantc, http://pastebin.com/d4cfe463
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| 00:40 | i think i tried --wait but it didn't work so the zenity hack
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| 00:40 | <vagrantc> cyberorg: heh. i see how you handled the session :)
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| 00:40 | so the fatclient stuff will at least handle that less hackishly.
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| 00:40 | <cyberorg> btw, it is part of hybrid live DVD/USB image too if you want to test
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| 00:41 | <vagrantc> it also will likely have a slightly quicker startup time, as it's not waiting on the xatomwait polling for changes in state.
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| 00:41 | <cyberorg> hackish yes, but at least i don't have to touch any ltsp code :)
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| 00:41 | <vagrantc> not that that's a long wait compared to all other parts of the process, but a little cleaner overall
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| 00:41 | <cyberorg> xatomwait waiting is hardly noticeable
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| 00:44 | does LDM now show option for local session too?
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| 00:45 | <vagrantc> currently, it's a feature that's enabled with the LTSP_FATCLIENT variable ... so on or off ...
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| 00:45 | being able to select local or remote session would be a nice improvement
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| 00:46 | <cyberorg> hmm, it would be nice if user can select if they want local or remote session at LDM like what i've done
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| 00:46 | <vagrantc> it'll come.
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| 00:46 | <cyberorg> cool :)
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| 00:48 | <alkisg> vagrantc: johnny, Lns and me agree that it would be cool if a boot menu was presented to the ltsp clients by default: (1) netboot, (2) recovery boot (=no quiet splash and stuff), (3) memtest, (4) boot from local media.
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| 00:48 | What do you think? I'm more than willing to help with this...
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| 00:48 | <vagrantc> alkisg: most cool.
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| 00:49 | alkisg: i've already laid some groundwork for memtest
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| 00:49 | <alkisg> So, could we include menu.c32 and memtest by default?
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| 00:49 | (in the tftpdir)
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| 00:50 | <cyberorg> alkisg, we have something simple like that, not using menu.c32 just adding multiple stuff in pxelinux.cfg/default
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| 00:50 | <vagrantc> although there's a bug in memtest which makes it annoying ... though i committed a partial workaround
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| 00:51 | <cyberorg> alkisg, http://pastebin.com/d17728c08
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| 00:51 | <alkisg> cyberorg: without menu.c32, is the user presented with a way to choose what to boot from that multiple stuff?
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| 00:51 | cyberorg: or is it an administrator setting?
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| 00:51 | <cyberorg> alkisg, use can select
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| 00:52 | <alkisg> cyberorg: ah, I think it's the same thing - except that if menu.c32 is there, the user also gets a "normal" curses-like menu...
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| 00:53 | <cyberorg> curses like menu will be nice, i never explored how to go about doing that
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| 00:53 | <alkisg> cyberorg: you're 1 line and 1 file away :)
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| 00:53 | vagrantc: if you're interested, I could try to propose something like that... ?
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| 00:54 | <vagrantc> alkisg: it's already mostly there
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| 00:54 | <cyberorg> we've been using this menu since the beginning just 1 line/file away!!?
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| 00:54 | <alkisg> vagrantc: ok, but can it be in the default installation? I think it would be really nice to have it...
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| 00:54 | cyberorg: yeap, let me see mine and compare...
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| 00:54 | <vagrantc> alkisg: i'll consider it for debian :)
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| 00:55 | <alkisg> vagrantc: good man! Thanks a lot! :)
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| 00:55 | <johnny> as long as we get a default and timeout of course..
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| 00:55 | <alkisg> Sure. Default = ltsp, timeout = 5 or something low like that.
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| 00:55 | <vagrantc> the menu generating code in there now uses timeout of 5
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| 00:55 | <alkisg> Heh :)
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| 00:55 | <cyberorg> alkisg, i think 100 is 10 seconds
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| 00:55 | <vagrantc> long enough you can catch it if you're paying attention, short enough that it's not a huge delay
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| 00:56 | <nonix4> attempting to boot karmic image built on jaunty, it complains that squashfs 3.1 is not supported?
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| 00:56 | <vagrantc> yeah, for whatever insane reason, the syslinux folks decided they wanted to have 1/10th of a second precision.
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| 00:56 | <johnny> you're supposed to rebuild images every distro upgrade nonix4
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| 00:56 | actually rebuild the chroot in general
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| 00:56 | what's that purge command now..
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| 00:57 | * vagrantc would like to move towards a more upgradeable chroot | |
| 00:57 | <nonix4> johnny: well, want to test the unstable distro in ltsp without risking main installation first...
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| 00:57 | <vagrantc> rather than always having to re-build it
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| 00:57 | <alkisg> cyberorg: I think the only line you need is "DEFAULT menu.c32" - but here's mine to compare: http://paste.ubuntu.com/272562/
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| 00:57 | <cyberorg> vagrantc, do what we do, provide online update of prebuilt image
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| 00:57 | <johnny> nonix4, then copy it out of the way
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| 00:57 | <vagrantc> cyberorg: no thanks :)
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| 00:57 | <johnny> err mv it out the way
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| 00:58 | nonix4, the chroot *should* match the host distro version, that's just how it is
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| 00:58 | <nonix4> so what is the point of --dist then?
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| 00:59 | <johnny> i don't know.. :)
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| 00:59 | <klausade> hey, I would like to add some options-lines to the Section "ServerLayout" on all my clients, to prevent theirs screens from doing a screenblank, I could give them a preconfigured xorg-file, or hack something togehter, but I wondered if there already is some "better" way of doing this? (oh, it's public library, and the users think the clients are out of order when the screen is blank)
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| 01:00 | <cyberorg> alkisg, thanks, i think i have to replace message-ltsp with menu.c32 file
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| 01:00 | <alkisg> nice :)
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| 01:02 | <johnny> klausade, i solved that by putting a piece of tape on the monitors
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| 01:02 | since i want them to turn off :)
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| 01:03 | i think there is some way to set the dpms off elsewhere than in the xorg.conf tho
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| 01:03 | <nonix4> johnny: [off-topic] basically my real problem is that hardy/intrepid/jaunty have already eaten up all the primary partition slots for /boot on the server host, and can't dump intrepid out of the way before karmic is released & tested... but wanting to test it on the diskless clients anyway (mainly for hw compatibility issues)
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| 01:04 | <johnny> oh..
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| 01:04 | sorry
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| 01:04 | unless you wanna upgrade the kernel (i think) manually
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| 01:04 | to try to support the newest squash
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| 01:04 | or maybe it's just newer verisons than what are in intrepid
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| 01:05 | nonix4, wouldn't it be easier to do it in a virtual machine tho?
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| 01:05 | i did my ltsp server devel on a virtual machine
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| 01:05 | virtualbox to be specific.. and just let them boot off that instead
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| 01:06 | <alkisg> johnny, how do you handle the tftp dir in this case? Vbox can't use ports < 1024, can it?
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| 01:06 | <nonix4> hmm, sounds reasonable approach... think I'll try kvm, being more familiar with that... thanks :)
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| 01:06 | <johnny> alkisg, uhmm.. worked for me..
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| 01:06 | i think
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| 01:06 | <alkisg> johnny: maybe you had vm clients? Or, a tftp server in the real hw?
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| 01:06 | <johnny> did that too
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| 01:07 | pretty sure i ran tftp server in there
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| 01:07 | but not dhcp
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| 01:07 | it was it's own ip
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| 01:07 | it was like a totally different machine to the rest of the network
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| 01:07 | my memory is fuzzy tho.. it was over a year ago
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| 01:08 | even if that didn't work.. just copy the initrd stuff..
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| 01:08 | to your real server
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| 01:08 | <alkisg> Yup I used my real server's tftp server, so I managed.
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| 01:08 | I didn't check if I could actually do it in vbox or not; I just read so in the manual
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| 01:08 | <cyberorg> alkisg, that was it, there seems to be GUI also http://syslinux.zytor.com/wiki/index.php/Menu
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| 01:09 | <alkisg> cyberorg: yes, vesamenu.c32. You might want to check the opensuse cd to get the splash screen from there
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| 01:09 | ...and all the code :)
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| 01:09 | <cyberorg> we have our own branding :)
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| 01:10 | <alkisg> (syslinux and pxelinux have about the same instructions)
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| 01:15 | * nonix4 ponders how to unsquashfs + mksquashfs with arguments that result in same contents for the re-squashed fs... | |
| 01:15 | <johnny> don't boether unsquashing
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| 01:15 | just quash the chroot
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| 01:16 | i forgoet the proper args.. butt they are probably in the shell scripts for ltsp
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| 01:16 | nonix4, look in ltsp-update-image
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| 01:16 | it's just a shell script
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| 01:17 | <nonix4> well, seems to only have "-e cdrom" as args :)
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| 01:18 | <johnny> mksquashfs ?
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| 01:19 | nonix4, are you looking in the code?
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| 01:19 | i see this in the fedora one
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| 01:19 | mksquashfs /opt/ltsp/$arch/ $TMPNAME -ef /usr/share/ltsp/mksquashfs-exclude -wildcards
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| 01:19 | you just wanna do that.. and replace the vars
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| 01:20 | <nonix4> well ubuntu seems to only exclude the cdrom dir, so basically equivalent to that
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| 01:23 | <alkisg> nonix4: btw, you could also move one of your primary partitions in an extended one, so that you could have more than 4...
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| 01:24 | <johnny> ah ok
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| 01:24 | i didn't look at that file
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| 01:24 | so there ya go..
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| 01:24 | <nonix4> alkisg: don't really trust the boot loaders to be bugfree enough for that :)
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| 01:24 | <alkisg> nonix4: I do - both grub legacy and grub2 worked fine in all cases for me
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| 01:25 | It's the windows loader that has problems :)
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| 01:25 | <johnny> nonix4, grub is super reliable ..
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| 01:25 | been using basically the same version since 2002 :)
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| 01:25 | that's reliable :)
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| 01:25 | lol
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| 01:25 | <nonix4> well the lack of trust for boot loaders is indeed inherited from lilo...
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| 01:25 | <alkisg> Heh :)
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| 01:25 | <johnny> now in karmic..
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| 01:25 | it'll be using grub2.. first popular distro to do so
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| 01:25 | even before fedora suprisingly
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| 01:26 | <alkisg> johnny: grub2 is much better for dual boot setups involving windows...
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| 01:26 | It's so nice I even use it in jaunthy :)
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| 01:27 | * nonix4 has all partitions of type fd except the lonely 85 for extended... | |
| 01:27 | <alkisg> The only thing that bothers me in grub2 is that it has the configuration files in /etc/grub.d (that's a good thing) but they change too often... (ok karmic is still beta)
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| 01:28 | So on every upgrade I have to tell him that I want the package maintainer's version :-/
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| 01:28 | * nonix4 practically always chooses the "experimental" three way merge | |
| 01:29 | <johnny> i only choose 3 way merge when i actually changed it..
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| 01:30 | i'm used to this from gentoo tho
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| 01:30 | packagekit doesn't seem to give you merging options tho :(
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| 01:30 | packagekit gui shoudl be more like ubuntu update gui
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| 01:40 | <cyberorg> alkisg, vesamenu.c32 :) http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyberorg/3928426296/sizes/o/
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| 01:40 | alkisg, config file http://pastebin.com/d1904c88d
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| 01:41 | this looks so much like we are in 21st century
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| 01:42 | <alkisg> cyberorg: great!!! vagrantc, could we have something like this pretty please?!! :) :) :)
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| 01:57 | * stgraber already has that at the office :) Netinstall for everything from Dapper to Karmic (i386 and amd64) + LTSP on jaunty and karmic + a test chroot with fat client | |
| 01:57 | <stgraber> all in one PXE menu auto-generated every night to get the updates (new kernel and stuff like that)
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| 01:57 | anyway, got to go, it's late here.
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| 02:00 | <alkisg> stgraber: please put that in ltsp :)
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| 02:00 | <vagrantc> alkisg: just specify PXELINUX_DEFAULT=vesamenu
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| 02:00 | <alkisg> good night :)
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| 02:00 | vagrantc: I know, I'm not requesting this for me
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| 02:01 | <vagrantc> although the automatic theme is another story.
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| 02:01 | <alkisg> Is there any reason for all ltsp uses not to have it?
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| 02:01 | (at least debian/ubuntu ltsp users :))
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| 02:01 | <vagrantc> we should come up with a default theme for ltsp, sure.
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| 02:02 | though it doesn't work in the virtualbox version i do most of my testing with ... so i'll have to use physical thin clients to test
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| 02:02 | <alkisg> It doesn't? It does work in my vbox cilents...
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| 02:03 | * alkisg has to go to school... bye all :) | |
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| 02:08 | <cyberorg> vagrantc, that screencap is from vbox session
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| 02:09 | <vagrantc> cyberorg: surely a newer version
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| 02:09 | * vagrantc still uses 1.6 | |
| 02:09 | <cyberorg> ah :)
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| 02:10 | <johnny> vagrantc, try uhm.. a new version
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| 02:10 | <johnny> why are you using that old thing?
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| 02:12 | <vagrantc> because i don't have to upgraded it every couple weeks.
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| 02:13 | and it works for 99% of what i need it to work for
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| 02:13 | * vagrantc is a debian/stable user | |
| 02:14 | <Ahmuck_Sr> i remember 1.6. i think that was the year of woodstock
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| 02:14 | *snicker*
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| 02:16 | <johnny> debian stable?
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| 02:16 | don't yo urealize you run open source for the rest of us?
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| 02:16 | ruin*
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| 02:21 | <nonix4> Well while debian stable may be updated on slightly more glacial pace than typical linux distributions, it is still far more up to date than just about any commercial *IX, which tend to lag behind couple decades at least.
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| 02:22 | <johnny> nonix4, and?
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| 02:22 | has not much to do.. since those aren't as open
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| 02:23 | at some point it will matter less.. as the components settle down
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| 02:23 | altho debian stable isn't as bad as trying to support older rhel
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| 02:23 | like pidgin does
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| 02:23 | they were using custom widgets that had already been merged upstream to gtk
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| 02:23 | stuff that was already stable in debian stable even
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| 02:24 | nonix4, if debian decoupled releases for arches.. it probably wouldn't be that big of a deal for x86/amd64/arm
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| 02:24 | debian could do a stable release probably once every 18 months even
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| 02:24 | perhaps even sooner..
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| 02:40 | <vagrantc> johnny: arches are hardly a major problem for release
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| 03:25 | <chrisjrob> upgraded our debian lenny server yesterday, we were already on the debian backports packages, it updated to the most recent ltsp backports packages, now clients cannot boot - just sits at TFTP... i have checked that tftpd is listening on port 69. any advice gratefully appreciated.
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| 03:28 | i should add that they do eventually time out with "PXE-E32: TFTP open timeout"
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| 04:28 | <sep> chrisjrob, do you see anything in the tftp server log ? double check dhcp that it have the right config. ? run tcpdump/wireshark to see what the client is actualy trying to do/reach
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| 04:47 | <chrisjrob> sep: thanks, "tftp: client does not accept options"
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| 04:48 | dhcpd.conf all looks good
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| 04:48 | <ogra> that means your client connected successfully
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| 04:49 | and told the server it doesnt accept options (which is true and ok)
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| 04:50 | <chrisjrob> curious and not in a good way
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| 04:50 | i will run tcpdump
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| 04:54 | 0:52:28.454675 IP 192.168.0.69.2070 > 192.168.0.17.69: 38 RRQ "/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0" octet tsize 0
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| 04:54 | 10:52:28.455829 IP 192.168.0.69.2071 > 192.168.0.17.69: 43 RRQ "/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0" octet blksize 1456
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| 04:54 | 10:53:04.487111 IP 192.168.0.69.2072 > 192.168.0.17.69: 43 ACK block 0
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| 04:54 | <ogra> looks fine to me
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| 04:55 | <chrisjrob> could i update the pxelinux.0 file somehow?
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| 04:56 | actually it has updated, this morning already, must have been when i ran the update kernels cmd
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| 04:57 | <ogra> ltsp-update-kernels should copy it freshly from the chroot
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| 05:09 | <sep> chrisjrob, is that ACK block 0 the last line ?
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| 05:09 | sounds like you may have some eddies in the config.
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| 05:11 | i had a similar issue once, with the same error. and this was simply a given client could not work with my pxelinux vesameny config. so i tested with a very simple config, with just 1 default entry with kernel and append. adn that worked. so i just made that subnet use the simple config.
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| 05:11 | ymmv
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| 06:08 | <chrisjrob> sep and gadi thanks for your help, the problem ended up to be caused by an unnecessary mtu line in /etc/network/interfaces, the post-updates reboot yesterday had brought that line into use
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| 06:09 | s/gadi/ogra/ <-- sorry!
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| 06:32 | <din_os> why does creating a user using adduser command fails to make a valid thin client user?
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| 06:32 | works fine if I add users using the GUI user manager
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| 06:33 | <chrisjrob> din_os: you could have a look at the groups on a user that is working and make sure same groups are on new user?
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| 06:34 | <din_os> I am thinking it might be ssh related. .. do I need to add some keys somewhere related? (using lenny, NFS)
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| 06:36 | groups seem to be fine (unless there are some kind of hidden system groups I am not aware of)
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| 06:36 | <ogra> din_os, man adduser
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| 06:36 | --add_extra_groups is what you want
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| 06:36 | <chrisjrob> well i've just added a new user with adduser and it worked fine (on lenny)
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| 06:36 | <ogra> chrisjrob, sound and local devices ?
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| 06:37 | you need the fuse and audio groups for that in debian
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| 06:37 | <chrisjrob> probably not, but that wasn't din_os's problem, or was it?
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| 06:37 | <din_os> ogra, ok I'll try that and look further into --add_extra_groups
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| 06:37 | <chrisjrob> it let me log in anyway
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| 06:38 | <ogra> yes, you should be able to log in in any case
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| 06:38 | <din_os> btw, what are these extra groups? I added the fuse group manually btw still no go
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| 06:38 | <chrisjrob> what are the symptoms din_os
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| 06:39 | <din_os> chrisjrob, the client checks pass for 1/2 a minute. then restarts login screen
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| 06:40 | but hold on, I'll try with --add-extra-groups
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| 06:40 | <chrisjrob> it that a login to a normal linux desktop, or a login to rdesktop or other screen script?
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| 06:40 | <ogra> grep extra_groups /usr/share/perl5/Debian/AdduserCommon.pm
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| 06:41 | should show you which ones it will add with that option
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| 06:41 | but it wont help if you cant log in at all
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| 06:41 | the groups are only for the additional features
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| 06:41 | normal login should work without any groups
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| 06:41 | <din_os> I can login locally, just not using thin client
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| 06:42 | <ogra> ssh localhost ?
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| 06:42 | <din_os> ok ok let me try plz, but a note here, I haven't added any of these groups using the GUI (just fuse), but logs in fine remotely... :?
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| 06:43 | <ogra> yes, as i (and chrisjrob) said already, you dont need groups for normal login
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| 06:43 | <din_os> well does ltsp takes care of ssh keys upon user creation?
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| 06:43 | <ogra> they are only used for additional features like sound or local device access
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| 06:43 | no
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| 06:44 | it uses passwords, no user keys are used
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| 06:44 | and your host keys seem to be ok if you can log in with other users
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| 06:45 | <chrisjrob> din_os: are you using any screen scripts, e.g. rdesktop?
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| 06:45 | <din_os> not sure what you mean, it's mostly vanilla ltsp
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| 06:45 | <chrisjrob> then you won't be
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| 06:46 | <din_os> I've logged in as the "good" user and typing groups doesn't show any of these extra groups anyway
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| 06:46 | <chrisjrob> it's not a groups issue
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| 06:47 | <din_os> I kind of thing so too... but let me try... do I type adduser --add_extra_groups then follow instructions?
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| 06:48 | <chrisjrob> i've never used that switch, but i assume you just list the groups after it
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| 06:48 | but as i say, i can login on a new user with no groups
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| 06:48 | and i'm on lenny as well
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| 06:49 | <din_os> success! :? weird though
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| 06:49 | <chrisjrob> one thing i would say is that if you get the password wrong, it doesn't tell you so, it just cycles back to the login
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| 06:50 | <din_os> yeah I know that... I think I will remove these groups one by one see what's wrong
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| 06:51 | <chrisjrob> din_os: are you using the lenny packages or the lenny-backports packages?
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| 06:52 | <din_os> hmm, yeah, forgot to mention that :P, I've got a backport kernel 2.29 (i think)
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| 06:53 | but only the kernel
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| 06:53 | <chrisjrob> i'm on the lenny-backports packages and they are very nice
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| 06:53 | for ltsp that is
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| 06:53 | <din_os> and selected apps, xchat, amsn, emesene.. stuff that don't depend on important system packages
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| 06:53 | <chrisjrob> http://wiki.debian.org/LTSP/Howto/Lenny-With-Backports
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| 06:54 | you probably want these i would imagine
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| 06:55 | <din_os> (bookmark added: thx)
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| 06:55 | <chrisjrob> i can't remember what the problems are with lenny's packages,
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| 06:55 | but i know that there /are/ problems
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| 06:55 | possibly with sound
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| 07:27 | <hipy> Darn dudes this is genius
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| 07:27 | But can you manage clients
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| 07:27 | like check if they are on there schoolproject instead of playing games
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| 07:27 | and log them off etc
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| 07:27 | :p
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| 07:36 | <ogra> have a look at iTalc
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| 07:40 | <hipy> is that an app that i must install via apt-get?
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| 07:40 | :p
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| 07:41 | <ogra> yes, the docs have a howto, italc.sourceforge.net has screenshots etc
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| 07:59 | <DavidNN> Is it possible to use the linux terminal server from a windows desktop.
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| 08:00 | I want to set up a linux terminal server that offers firefox for secure browsing from a windows machine network
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| 08:00 | <sep> yes, using xming and putty you can easily log on the linux machine and run grafical programs
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| 08:00 | <hipy> How??/
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| 08:00 | With putty?
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| 08:01 | Sep can you please explain how i do that
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| 08:01 | :
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| 08:01 | <sep> hipy, install xming on linux, and start it
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| 08:01 | hipy, run putty, select your machine makesure SSH/X11 forwarding is enabeled (in the tree meny)
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| 08:02 | <hipy> xming?
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| 08:02 | :s
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| 08:02 | <sep> logon linux machine and type oowriter (or whatever program)
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| 08:02 | install xming on windows i mean
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| 08:02 | <hipy> ok
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| 08:02 | But how can you run x then
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| 08:02 | :S
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| 08:02 | <chrisjrob> an alternative is freenx server on the server and nomachine nxclient on the pc
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| 08:02 | <sep> there is also a xming+putty package but i find it simpler to have them separate
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| 08:02 | yes then you get the whole desktop
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| 08:03 | <hipy> ok
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| 08:03 | <chrisjrob> but gives you the added benefit of remote access
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| 08:03 | over low bandwidth connections
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| 08:04 | <sep> we use that as well with the web client
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| 08:04 | <hipy> webclient
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| 08:04 | <sep> browse to a webpage with a java enabeled browser
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| 08:04 | type in username+password
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| 08:04 | and you get your kde desktop
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| 08:04 | <chrisjrob> sep: haven't been brave enough for that - i always vpn
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| 08:04 | <sep> works on windows/linux/mac
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| 08:04 | <hipy> Must the pc with the windows be wired behind the ltsp server or just in the lan network
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| 08:04 | :p
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| 08:04 | <sep> chrisjrob, nx is over ssh, and you can use your own keys
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| 08:05 | the pc with windows must reach the linux in some way across the network. i putty into ltsp from home and run programs regularly.
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| 08:05 | <chrisjrob> sep: you're right, for some reason i trust vpn more than ssh, i don't have the knowledge to know either way
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| 08:05 | <sep> over lowbandwith lines turning on ssh complression elevates the issues some.
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| 08:05 | <DavidNN> say I just want the clients on the windows network to acces the browser (firefox) not the whole desktop, is that possible to?
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| 08:06 | <hipy> sep so the pc doesnt have to be conencted to the second network card?
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| 08:06 | <sep> vpn or ssh is moot the security problem is the teachers :)
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| 08:06 | <hipy> xming is an xserver
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| 08:06 | and then you conenct to shell with putty
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| 08:06 | <sep> as long as you can putty to the server it does not matter where it is
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| 08:06 | <hipy> what command do u use to get x
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| 08:06 | <sep> hipy, you just run the program you want. eg tuxeyes or firefox
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| 08:07 | <hipy> and then the x server starts?
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| 08:07 | :s
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| 08:07 | <sep> you start xming before starting putty ususlay
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| 08:08 | <hipy> ok lets test it
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| 08:08 | xming is running
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| 08:08 | <sep> make sure xforwarding is on in putty
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| 08:08 | <hipy> ok
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| 08:08 | <sep> under ssh X11
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| 08:08 | then connect
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| 08:08 | you can also use sux - username
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| 08:08 | <hipy> and the x location
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| 08:08 | or isnt that needed
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| 08:09 | <sep> i do it to login as myself on ltsp server. then run sux to change to a user with problem to toubleshoot his enviorment without needing his password
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| 08:09 | no
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| 08:09 | just the forward
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| 08:09 | button thing
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| 08:09 | <hipy> ok
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| 08:09 | puttyt uns
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| 08:10 | now what i do:p
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| 08:10 | <sep> you have tuxeyes installed ? it's what i allways use to test :)
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| 08:10 | <hipy> whats that
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| 08:10 | Lol
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| 08:10 | tuxeyes
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| 08:10 | :p;
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| 08:11 | how do i get the desktop infront
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| 08:11 | :s
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| 08:11 | <sep> a program that shows 2 silly eyes on the screen :P
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| 08:11 | <hipy> can i start firefox as replacement:p
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| 08:11 | <sep> you don't you just start the individual programs
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| 08:11 | yes
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| 08:11 | <hipy> ok i start now firefox
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| 08:11 | I hear my server is being busy
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| 08:11 | heh
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| 08:11 | wow
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| 08:11 | wtf:D
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| 08:11 | <sep> if you type firefox & you can start more programs
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| 08:11 | or you can ctrl+z
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| 08:12 | to pause firefox
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| 08:12 | and then bg to background it
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| 08:12 | (in the putty window)
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| 08:12 | then you can start oowriter or kwriter or whatever you use
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| 08:13 | <hipy> OK
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| 08:13 | what is sux btw
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| 08:13 | :s
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| 08:13 | <sep> or you can swap to a different user and run firefox there as well if you want to compare how firefox works on 2 different users
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| 08:13 | let you change to a different user
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| 08:13 | aptitude install sux
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| 08:13 | with X forwarding maintained
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| 08:13 | same as su :)
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| 08:13 | with x
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| 08:13 | sudo sux - problemuser
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| 08:13 | and you can run grafical programs as this user
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| 08:15 | <hipy> ok
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| 08:15 | do you know italc?
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| 08:15 | <sep> if you want the whole desktop you can perhaps run xnest
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| 08:15 | not very no
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| 08:16 | <_UsUrPeR_> hipy: are you sure you're just deploying a single thinclient in your home?
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| 08:16 | because it seems like you're going... bigger
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| 08:17 | <hipy> Lawl
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| 08:17 | I wanna try italc:p
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| 08:18 | <_UsUrPeR_> well go for it then
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| 08:19 | <hipy> but i cant find uot if you isntall italc
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| 08:19 | if you ned to install on every computer a client
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| 08:20 | <chrisjrob> hipy: if you're using ltsp you really only have one client
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| 08:21 | <hipy> heh?
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| 08:21 | :P
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| 08:22 | <chrisjrob> with ltsp all your clients are using the same client image, so it you can install italc in the client image, it will be on every client
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| 08:23 | <hipy> ok
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| 08:23 | well
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| 08:23 | lets test:D
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| 08:24 | <chrisjrob> it isn't a trivial installation, so good luck!
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| 08:24 | <hipy> its apt-get install:p
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| 08:25 | <chrisjrob> or at least it isn't trivial for debian, perhaps your distro will be easier
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| 08:26 | <zamba> how do i bring up a local terminal?
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| 08:26 | a local x terminal, that is
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| 08:27 | <sep> what do you mean with local terminal ? you allready have putty ?
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| 08:27 | or just run konsole in putty to get another one
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| 08:27 | <ogra> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/iTalc
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| 08:27 | <zamba> there's a command i can run that will give me a local terminal
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| 08:27 | <sep> zamba, sorrry i thought it was hipy asking
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| 08:27 | <zamba> alkisg gave me the command a couple of weeks ago
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| 08:27 | but i can't remember it now
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| 08:28 | <chrisjrob> /usr/bin/ltsp-localapps xterm ?
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| 08:28 | <zamba> ah
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| 08:28 | that's the one
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| 08:28 | chrisjrob: thanks :)
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| 08:28 | <chrisjrob> np
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| 08:29 | <zamba> i also need help debugging my strange problem with pulseaudio
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| 08:29 | whenever i start the thin client and log in, i'm able to play sound for a couple of minutes max
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| 08:29 | then pulseaudio dies
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| 08:30 | <hipy> ogra that ubuntu docs are very cool and written in a way you can understand it perfect :D
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| 08:30 | <zamba> if i don't play music, it stays up
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| 08:30 | it can stay up forever, as long as i just don't play any music
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| 08:30 | <chrisjrob> zamba: what app are you playing music?
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| 08:30 | <hipy> what is chroot?
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| 08:30 | :S
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| 08:30 | <zamba> chrisjrob: i've tried totem and mplayer so far
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| 08:30 | <chrisjrob> localapp or on the server?
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| 08:31 | <zamba> on the server
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| 08:32 | <chrisjrob> not a problem i've encountered and i am using mplayer
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| 08:33 | <zamba> chrisjrob: it plays perfectly for a while, but suddenly dies..
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| 08:33 | chrisjrob: then i have to restart the thin client to get sound - until it crashes again
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| 08:33 | <bftherese> I am having problems printing from local apps to a shared usb printer
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| 08:34 | in local-apps openoffice for example, the job gets sent (apparently) and once the last page has been sent, it pops up and says: "error during print"
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| 08:35 | <zamba> chrisjrob: played for about two minutes and then this: AO: [pulse] Connection died: Connection terminated
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| 08:35 | and no pulseaudio process running
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| 08:36 | <bftherese> printing from non-local apps works just fine
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| 08:36 | <chrisjrob> zamba: i think others will be better able to help, but what distro are you using?
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| 08:36 | <zamba> chrisjrob: jaunty
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| 08:36 | <alkisg> zamba, did you try with any other sound cards / other clients etc to see if it's a server or a client driver problem?
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| 08:36 | <zamba> alkisg: yup
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| 08:37 | alkisg: tried with three different computers
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| 08:37 | <alkisg> So it's a server problem?
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| 08:37 | <zamba> alkisg: all experiencing the same
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| 08:37 | it plays perfectly for a while, but then dies abruptly
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| 08:37 | <alkisg> zamba: you had something weird in your setup, what was it? the server runs in a vm?
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| 08:38 | <bftherese> I have to go, but hopefully someone who knows about cups and localapps will be around later
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| 08:39 | <zamba> alkisg: yup
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| 08:39 | alkisg: runs on xen
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| 08:40 | <alkisg> zamba, and no pulseaudio logs that would help locate the problem?
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| 08:43 | <zamba> where do i find that?
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| 08:43 | <alkisg> I don't know, but I'd guess in the client...
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| 08:48 | zamba: I see in the code that pulseaudio is started with --log-target=syslog, so you should see the client logs (or redirect the client syslog to the server)
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| 08:49 | <zamba> here's the different output of lspci: http://pastebin.com/m6608faf2
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| 08:49 | all intel-based soundcards
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| 08:50 | hm.. could my kvm switch cause this?
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| 08:50 | creating an interrupt or something that causes the pulseaudio to crash?
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| 08:54 | strange thing is that it's so random
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| 08:54 | now it has played for 400 seconds without problems
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| 08:55 | <_UsUrPeR_> hipy: follow this italc documentation: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/iTalc
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| 08:59 | <hipy> ;p
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| 09:01 | question: why cant a thin client add users?
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| 09:01 | :S
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| 09:03 | <zamba> hipy: what do you mean?
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| 09:03 | <chrisjrob> hipy: the thin client is only a mechanism for getting to the server, it is separate to the server, and is read only. users you create on the thin client will be lost when you reboot, and will in any case not be available on the server
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| 09:03 | <sbalneav> hipy: ConsoleKit doesn't seem to interact well with LTSP
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| 09:04 | It's an outstanding problem.
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| 09:04 | You can either:
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| 09:04 | 1) Add users from the command line, or
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| 09:04 | 2) Use the server's console to add users.
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| 09:04 | <zamba> alkisg: how do i see the client syslog?
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| 09:04 | alkisg: since i need to be root for that
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| 09:05 | i guess i have to set a root pwd
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| 09:05 | <alkisg> zamba: or set SCREEN_02=shell
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| 09:05 | and SCREEN_07=ldm
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| 09:06 | <zamba> what does SCREEN_07=ldm really do?
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| 09:06 | i understand SCREEN_02=shell, but not the other
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| 09:06 | <sbalneav> It launches the LTSP Display Manager (i.e. the graphical login window) on screen 07
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| 09:06 | <alkisg> I think that if you define SCREEN_02, then SCREEN_07 is empty by default, so you won't have ldm. But I may be wrong in that...
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| 09:06 | <zamba> doesn't it do that already?
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| 09:06 | <hipy> chrisjrob why then when i made a map on the desktop and i reboot cleint ant login
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| 09:06 | its stil there
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| 09:06 | :p
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| 09:06 | <zamba> aha, ok
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| 09:08 | <hipy> or has that nothing to do with it
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| 09:09 | <chrisjrob> hipy: once you log in you are effectively on the server not on the client, anything you do on the server will survive reboots
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| 09:10 | but i may not be understanding your question correctly
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| 09:12 | <hipy> hmm
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| 09:12 | i need some help
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| 09:12 | i have a laptop
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| 09:12 | but when i press stasrt
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| 09:12 | you see the caps/scrooll/num lock lights flicker very softly
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| 09:12 | and then it stops
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| 09:12 | the pc wont go on
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| 09:13 | <_UsUrPeR_> sounds like a hardware issue
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| 09:13 | <sbalneav> Sounds like a hardware problem
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| 09:13 | <zamba> alkisg: nothing in the logs
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| 09:13 | <sbalneav> Phone tech support.
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| 09:13 | <zamba> alkisg: is syslog even started locally?
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| 09:13 | <sbalneav> Maybe you need a new battery/power brick
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| 09:13 | <alkisg> zamba, yes, didn't you see some files in /var/log ?
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| 09:14 | <zamba> alkisg: sure, i saw some files.. but syslog was empty.. same with kern.log
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| 09:14 | <_UsUrPeR_> zamba: about screen_07=ldm: if you don't ut that in, I don't believe you will get a login screen on the client after boot
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| 09:14 | <alkisg> zamba, there's also an option to use the server's syslog remotely, check the ltsp docs...
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| 09:14 | <hipy> ok found a solution you have to press on the keyboard;p
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| 09:15 | <sbalneav> Well, that's not really a solution :) You'll permanently break something that way.
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| 09:17 | <zamba> alkisg: yeah, trying that now
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| 09:18 | <hipy> Nope sbalneav i pressed on keyboard very softley( keys went down but thats it )
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| 09:18 | weird
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| 09:18 | dell latitude d600
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| 09:20 | <zamba> alkisg: only one log file is created, and that's daemon.log
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| 09:21 | <hipy> hmm error
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| 09:22 | I get a weird error on the desktop
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| 09:22 | <alkisg> zamba: that's as far as I can go... :-/
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| 09:22 | <hipy> oafid:GNOME_FastuserSwitchAplet
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| 09:22 | problem with loading
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| 09:23 | <hipy> and godmanit i cant find the other pc that i added in the ltsp
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| 09:23 | :S
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| 09:41 | hmm software not in bev locator
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| 09:41 | :s
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| 09:43 | is each client that connects assing its own ip?
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| 09:46 | heh all clients get same ip?:S
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| 09:46 | 1 laptop has 0.22 and the other 0.254
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| 09:46 | o0
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| 09:46 | Doesnt make sense
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| 09:50 | <sbalneav> hipy: The server usually sits on 192.168.0.254, which is the "highest" address on the subnet.
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| 09:51 | by default, the dhcp server on the ltsp server usually hands out addresses in the .20 -> .250 range.
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| 09:52 | From my /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf:
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| 09:52 | subnet 192.168.0.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 { range 192.168.0.20 192.168.0.250;
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| 09:52 | So that's perfectly normal
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| 09:52 | <warren> tagging ltsp-trunk soon
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| 09:55 | tagging
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| 09:55 | <hipy> weh weert
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| 09:55 | sbalneav i have 2 computers connectet
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| 09:55 | 2 laptops
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| 09:55 | 1 has 0.20
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| 09:55 | and other has 0/254
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| 09:55 | and that isnt the server
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| 09:55 | S:
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| 09:56 | <sbalneav> What's handing out your dhcp addresses?
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| 09:56 | <hipy> is theerr a command to see wich clients are connected with what ips
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| 09:56 | erm
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| 09:56 | the dhcp server?
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| 09:56 | o0
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| 09:56 | <sbalneav> The LTSP server, or your little dlink box?
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| 09:56 | <hipy> erm
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| 09:56 | my ltsp server hands out to the clients
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| 09:56 | Wait
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| 09:57 | ok if you do ifconfig you cant see wich ip the client has
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| 09:57 | ahh ogc
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| 09:57 | its 254 its the server im on
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| 09:57 | how can i know the ip of the connected client?
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| 09:58 | <sbalneav> hipy: Well, usually it's printed on the lower right in the login window
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| 09:58 | <hipy> ah
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| 09:58 | ARG im getting crazy here why does nothing works
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| 09:58 | <sbalneav> If you have LDM_DIRECTX=True in your lts.conf file, it's also your DISPLAY environment variable.
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| 09:59 | What, exactly, isn't working?
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| 09:59 | <hipy> how do you delete somethign with apt-get
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| 09:59 | I try to get italc workig
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| 09:59 | <sbalneav> apt-get purge
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| 10:00 | <hipy> he
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| 10:00 | locked
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| 10:00 | how the
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| 10:00 | <sbalneav> So, the thin client's working? It's just iTalc that's not?
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| 10:00 | <hipy> Thats imposible
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| 10:00 | yes
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| 10:00 | thats the prob
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| 10:00 | but now i get cant remove
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| 10:00 | :S
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| 10:00 | locked is other process using it
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| 10:00 | <sbalneav> Well, you may have an update going on in the background.
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| 10:00 | <hipy> no it ait
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| 10:00 | aint
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| 10:00 | <sbalneav> update-manager may be updating the package list.
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| 10:01 | <hipy> h
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| 10:01 | wait
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| 10:01 | ok if it now doesnt work ima scream
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| 10:01 | <sbalneav> You don't have to type "wait" all the time.
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| 10:01 | <hipy> 90\35890834989034
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| 10:01 | :(
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| 10:01 | <sbalneav> If you don't type something, we wait by default.
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| 10:01 | * hipy cries. stupid italc! | |
| 10:02 | <hipy> ok
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| 10:02 | Its so stupid i can see the pc where i started the italc master thing( to control pcs ) and i can view my own pc. but when i added an other pc i cant spec it
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| 10:02 | meh
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| 10:03 | <sbalneav> I'm not familiar with iTalc, I don't use it to manage my thin clients.
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| 10:03 | <hipy> what do u use
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| 10:03 | i mean if you use it in an office enviroment how do yuo offer support to users
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| 10:03 | :S
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| 10:03 | <sbalneav> I use LTSP in a Government law office.
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| 10:04 | <hipy> How is support offert
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| 10:04 | like a user doenst know how to excecute a function, can the support user look at the client that has problems and use remote control etc?
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| 10:04 | <sbalneav> What support? What is it you're wanting iTalc to do? I just use command line tools to manage my users.
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| 10:04 | <hipy> So you cant view what they view atm:S
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| 10:05 | <sbalneav> No, I don't need to.
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| 10:06 | <hipy> btw if you have a user caled john and he saves his personal stuff into his desktop
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| 10:06 | and he logs out
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| 10:06 | will it be there when he logs in again?
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| 10:06 | <sbalneav> Yes.
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| 10:06 | Of course: it's on the server.
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| 10:06 | <hipy> ok
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| 10:06 | :p
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| 10:06 | O well
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| 10:06 | i atleast got ltsp running
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| 10:06 | <hipy> I was affraid that the dhcp server of the ubuntu ltsp server would screw up the range etc but the ltsp clients are in a whole diffrent network:D
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| 10:07 | <sbalneav> Did you *read* the document list I've been posting to you over the last 2-3 days? It actually explains the whole process of how the desktop is displayed.
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| 10:07 | <hipy> meh why ALWAYS when i put on my server my thin clients cant connect so i have to hoo up my monitor to that server to check what is wrong and then there is nothing wrong
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| 10:07 | erm
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| 10:07 | well
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| 10:07 | * hipy whistles | |
| 10:07 | <hipy> :p
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| 10:07 | <Treyh_> sbalneav: will you link that document I'd like to read it
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| 10:08 | <hipy> Yay now it works
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| 10:08 | * hipy doesnt dare to turn on the splash screen again :< | |
| 10:08 | <sbalneav> !docs
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| 10:08 | <ltspbot`> sbalneav: "docs" is For the most current documentation, see http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LtspDocumentationUpstream
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| 10:08 | <sbalneav> Treyh_: ^^
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| 10:09 | <Treyh_> sbalneav, thank you
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| 10:09 | sbalneav, a while back my laptop crashed and I lost all my notes/links and etc
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| 10:10 | the log of our chats here has been awesome also
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| 10:11 | <hipy> can sombody tell me: if the battery on the motherboard is empty. would that involve problems with turning on the pc( i have to press like 15times on before my server actually powers up. else nothing happens )
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| 10:11 | <Treyh_> hipy, so the battery is missing on the server or on the pc?
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| 10:12 | <hipy> the server, its on but i think its empty
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| 10:12 | since it is hard to even turn on the server
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| 10:12 | <Treyh_> hipy, so you think the battery is missing or you just assume that it is?
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| 10:13 | <hipy> ...
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| 10:13 | read: EMPTY
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| 10:13 | :p
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| 10:13 | <Treyh_> hipy, I also read "its on but i think its empty"
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| 10:14 | <hipy> empty isnt missing? :D
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| 10:14 | <Treyh_> hipy, that battery helps the motherboard keep its config....what speed of cpu/memory and etc. won't hurt performance or anything if the mboard is okay with the defaults but you should look into replacing it. just pull the battery out of a dead pc you have, should work
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| 10:15 | <hipy> OK so thats the problem my server has trouble going on
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| 10:15 | <Treyh_> hipy, you said "you think", you weren't clear so I just wanted to verify
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| 10:15 | <hipy> ok:)
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| 10:15 | well withouth a battery it doesnt go on at all
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| 10:15 | but it still starts
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| 10:15 | its like the pc charges it
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| 10:15 | if i didnt use it for a long time it doesnt go on
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| 10:15 | but like i turn the pc off
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| 10:16 | it restarts instant
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| 10:16 | :p
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| 10:17 | <sbalneav> For the amount of time that's been spent discussing this, you could have simply replaced the battery by now.
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| 10:17 | <hipy> :P:
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| 10:17 | LOL*
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| 10:18 | <Treyh_> sbalneav, amen
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| 10:19 | <hipy> !docs
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| 10:19 | <ltspbot`> hipy: "docs" is For the most current documentation, see http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LtspDocumentationUpstream
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| 10:22 | <hipy> =]
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| 10:31 | <hipy> ubuntu updates 395 updates to install
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| 11:28 | <_UsUrPeR_> ignoew a83-163-100-71.adsl.xs4all.nl
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| 11:28 | whoops...
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| 11:28 | <hipy> omfg
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| 11:28 | _UsUrPeR_ excuse me?
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| 11:29 | What is this kind of behaviour?
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| 11:29 | And you guys are saying i am not behaving???? Sombody starts ignoring me from nothing out and posts my hostname?
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| 11:30 | <ltsppbot> "asdf" pasted "asdf" (6 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/508
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| 11:30 | <hipy> _UsUrPeR_
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| 11:31 | k fine....
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| 11:31 | idiot
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| 11:31 | <ltsppbot> "asdf" pasted "asdf" (34 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/509
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| 11:46 | <hipy> lol
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| 11:46 | ;p
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| 11:49 | <Treyh_> hipy: this room is for helping ppl, not fighting and arguing
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| 11:50 | <hipy> I understand but i find it disrespectfull and rude to post sombodys hostname in the channal + that the person starts ignoring me wihtouth reason
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| 11:51 | <johnny> hostname.. we all know your hostname just by you joining.. :)
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| 11:52 | <Treyh_> hipy, let me explain again, this room is for helping, not for arguing and fighting
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| 12:00 | <johnny> CAN-o-SPAM, i just recommended your diskless workstations to somebody on our lug list
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| 12:00 | <CAN-o-SPAM> johnny: thanks very much ... which unit and to who?
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| 12:01 | <johnny> nothing specific
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| 12:01 | i just told them to look at your stuff
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| 12:01 | and recommended some basic specs
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| 12:01 | for local apps and not
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| 12:01 | <CAN-o-SPAM> ok thanks for taking the hardware consulting part out of it for us :)
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| 12:02 | <Treyh_> CAN-o-SPAM, do you guys offer discount prices for education?
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| 12:02 | <CAN-o-SPAM> P.S on the LTSP Term 1220 & LTSP Term 1225 we are offering a free upgrade from 256MB -> 512MB while supplies last
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| 12:03 | Treyh_: sure we always try and do what we can to help maximize thin clients per budget :)
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| 12:08 | <hipy> what else is a solution about controling thin clients ( log off, view there desktop send message or something ) italc doesnt seem to work
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| 12:10 | <Treyh_> hipy, so you want to remotely be able to view their desktops and have lan messaging?
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| 12:13 | hipy, are you using ldm or rdesktop?
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| 12:16 | <hipy> erm
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| 12:16 | ltsp
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| 12:16 | via pxe network boot
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| 12:16 | :p
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| 12:16 | is that ldm?
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| 12:16 | <Treyh_> hipy, when the client boots, does it come up to a ubuntu gnome login?
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| 12:17 | <hipy> well gnome login
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| 12:17 | its diffrent from standart
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| 12:17 | <Treyh_> hipy, yes thats ldm
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| 12:17 | <hipy> :p
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| 12:17 | i see ltsp ( ip ) // time bottom right
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| 12:18 | <Treyh_> hipy, yes thats ldm
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| 12:18 | what distro are you using? debian ubuntu?
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| 12:18 | <hipy> ok:)
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| 12:18 | ubuntu
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| 12:18 | <Treyh_> version?
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| 12:18 | <hipy> 8.10
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| 12:18 | :)
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| 12:18 | alternate - desktop
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| 12:20 | <Treyh_> check out http://edubuntu.org/
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| 12:20 | it's an addon software that goes with ltsp/ubuntu
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| 12:20 | it has additional software like viewnig remote desktops of users and lan messengers
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| 12:20 | <hipy> Wow
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| 12:20 | hmm how i install that ontop of my operating system
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| 12:20 | :S
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| 12:20 | i alread have ubuntu
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| 12:21 | Does edubuntu have ltsp standard included at instalation( press f4 to select what kind of isntlation including ltsp just like alternate cd )
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| 12:22 | <ftherese> hello, I am having problems printing on a client-side usb printer from local-applications such as open office and abi word
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| 12:22 | server-side applications work fine, but not the localapps
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| 12:22 | <hipy> hmm i dont know how to solve but i may have an idea. make a printer connected to the server
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| 12:22 | all clients print
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| 12:22 | and it comes out 1 printer
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| 12:23 | that is located at a special location
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| 12:23 | :)
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| 12:23 | <Treyh_> hipy, edubuntu is an addon that you add to your existing ltsp server
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| 12:23 | hipy, it's also nice that you want to help but if you don't know the answer, simply don't answer
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| 12:23 | <ftherese> actually, I have a wine localapp installed, and it prints find
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| 12:23 | <fine>
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| 12:23 | <Treyh_> ftherese, do you have cups installed as a local app?
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| 12:24 | <hipy> :O , ok :(
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| 12:25 | <alkisg> Treyh_: edubuntu actually offers italc again...
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| 12:25 | <ftherese> Treyh_, as far as I know, yes... the printer shows up in the menu for printing, and the pages get sent to the printer, it counts them on the screen like it is sending them, but then it says error
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| 12:26 | <hipy> you know what is the problem with italc. I connected 2 thinclients. on 1 i opejnd up the master app
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| 12:26 | it said to auto detect ltsp clients
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| 12:27 | <Treyh_> ftherese, does it tell you the error?
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| 12:27 | <hipy> but it only detected the laptop where the master app whas running
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| 12:27 | :p
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| 12:28 | <Gadi> ftherese: do you have cups-bsd package installed in the chroot?
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| 12:28 | <hipy> How do you install edubuntu on top of ubuntu ?
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| 12:29 | <Treyh_> hipy: http://www.edubuntu.com/Documentation
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| 12:29 | <ftherese> Gadi, I'll check it out
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| 12:30 | Gadi, you sure I need that? It takes up almost 100 megs
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| 12:30 | <Gadi> ??
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| 12:30 | shouldn't
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| 12:30 | its a small package
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| 12:30 | <ftherese> it requires about 35 other packages
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| 12:31 | but hey, if I need it to get printing working from localapps I am willing to do it
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| 12:31 | <Gadi> what if you do: apt-get install --no-recommends cups-bsd
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| 12:31 | oops
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| 12:31 | <ftherese> yeah
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| 12:32 | that is much more sensible
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| 12:32 | <Gadi> I mean: apt-get install --no-install-recommends cups-bsd
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| 12:32 | <ftherese> 5 packages
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| 12:32 | <Gadi> I have found that some apps prefer the "/usr/bin/lpr" that comes with cups-bsd
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| 12:32 | and cups-bsd is installed by default in normal installs
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| 12:33 | <ftherese> well... it seems that they are the major packages
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| 12:33 | i mean apps
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| 12:33 | like openoffice
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| 12:36 | I don't know who is working on things, but it would be nice as well to be able to access the .gvfs mounts from localapps too
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| 12:37 | I have a workaround, but it only works after you have opened the localapp
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| 12:38 | for example, if you double click on a openoffice docuement from a network share, it launches the program, but can't find the file because it doesn't know where .gvfs is
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| 12:45 | <dings_> hi channel
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| 12:45 | anybody awake?
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| 12:46 | i have a problem with my setup :-(
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| 12:46 | <dings_> i log into ldm and get a black screen
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| 12:46 | <ogra> check ~/.xsession
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| 12:46 | err
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| 12:46 | check ~/.xsession-errors
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| 12:46 | <Lns> Gadi: ping?
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| 12:46 | * Lns waves to chan | |
| 12:46 | <dings_> ldm.log says "starting X session"
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| 12:47 | which looks OK to me
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| 12:47 | no .xsession-errors
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| 12:47 | <ogra> did it work before ?
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| 12:47 | <dings_> ogra: yeah, with 4.x on lenny
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| 12:48 | lenny/etch
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| 12:48 | <ogra> 4.x ?
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| 12:48 | that must be years ago then ;)
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| 12:48 | <dings_> now its etch cause i wanted ltpsfs#
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| 12:48 | i might have screwed it up, because there are 2 servers
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| 12:49 | <ogra> etch is quite outdated, you should use lenny
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| 12:49 | <dings_> one does the tftp and nfs stuff
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| 12:49 | <ogra> well, it boots ...
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| 12:49 | so you cant have it to wrong
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| 12:49 | <dings_> and the other one is the one i wanted to run the applications on
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| 12:49 | <ogra> you might need to set LDM_SERVER in lts.conf
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| 12:50 | pointing to your appserver
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| 12:50 | <dings_> yeah server-1 is probaly ok, but server-2 must have st missing
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| 12:50 | it does
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| 12:50 | theres no X on server-2 though
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| 12:50 | i thought i didnt need that
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| 12:51 | <ogra> do you see the login attempts in auth.log ?
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| 12:52 | <dings_> a running x server
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| 12:52 | cause thats running on the client
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| 12:52 | <ogra> on the appserver
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| 12:52 | you dont need X
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| 12:52 | you only need openssh-server on the appserver
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| 12:52 | ldm uses ssh
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| 12:52 | and with newer releases also ldm-server for session and language info
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| 12:52 | <hipy> Are there more ways to connect to ltsp except pxe( like a terminal has a little config screen to what you can connect etc but that is not pxe )\
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| 12:52 | <ogra> though i dont think thats in a stable debian release yet
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| 12:52 | <Treyh_> what standard do you guys go by, for how much memory a ltsp server needs per each client, if the clients do not use local apps or ldm, they just rdesktop to TS
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| 12:53 | <ogra> 128M per running session
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| 12:53 | 256M for the server itself
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| 12:53 | <dings_> jupp, logging in works
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| 12:53 | and the ldm.log on the client looks happy too...
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| 12:53 | <ogra> sounds good
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| 12:54 | what was it ? what did you change ?
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| 12:54 | <dings_> nothing. i mean logging in always worked
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| 12:54 | <ogra> oh, ok
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| 12:55 | do you have any desktop env installed on your appserver ?
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| 12:55 | <dings_> hmm.... the server is unhappy about some missing locale stuff
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| 12:56 | <ogra> should still write ~/.xsession-errors for that user
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| 12:56 | do you have x11-common installed ?
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| 12:56 | you definately need /etc/X11/Xsession
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| 12:57 | thats what ldm calls when it logs you in
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| 12:57 | (and what creates ~/.xsession-errors on startup)
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| 12:58 | <dings_> ogra: yeah, that's there
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| 12:59 | <ogra> can you ssh in from a different machine with the user you currently try ?
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| 12:59 | <dings_> i even put LDM_XSESSION=/etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc in my lts.conf
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| 12:59 | <ogra> eek, dont do that
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| 12:59 | <dings_> why not?
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| 12:59 | <ogra> let the system do its stuff :)
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| 13:00 | /etc/X11/Xsession != /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc
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| 13:00 | <dings_> i read somewhere that would do the trick in case the the ldmin-whatever doesnt work
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| 13:01 | on debian the former just calls the latter AFAICS
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| 13:01 | <ogra> no, if you want to set a session command, use /etc/X11/Xsession
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| 13:01 | it does a lot more
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| 13:01 | <dings_> no, the latter the former
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| 13:01 | man i'm tired
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| 13:02 | well actually i wanted to configure as litte as possible ;-)
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| 13:03 | <ogra> right, you shouldnt need to
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| 13:03 | usually you should only need LDM_SERVER and have the proper ssh keys in your chroot for that
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| 13:03 | no other config would be needed
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| 13:05 | <dings_> german keyboard in my case
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| 13:05 | <ogra> hab ich mir gedacht bei deiner IP ;)
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| 13:05 | <Treyh_> so for each pxe client, that is not running ldp/local apps, and is only running rdesktop, you guys recommend at least 128mb of memory on the server for each client
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| 13:05 | <dings_> but yes, that's the idea
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| 13:06 | <alkisg> Treyh_: how many terminals are you thinking?
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| 13:06 | <hipy> question: would you be able to play an lan game with thin clinets?
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| 13:06 | <Treyh_> alkisg, let me put it this way, I'm running 100 terminals on a server with 512mb of memory
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| 13:07 | <alkisg> Treyh_: I imagine that if they don't logon to the server, you don't need much ram - just what the nbd-server needs...
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| 13:07 | <Treyh_> alkisg, i agree, my calculations are about 8-10mb a piece
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| 13:07 | <ogra> dings_, better wait for vagrantc, he maintains the debian port i can only talk for ubuntu ... but if you have a desktop environment installed that provides x-session-manager it should theoretically just work without any weird LDM_SESSION settings or some such
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| 13:07 | <hipy> Anybody idea?
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| 13:08 | <Treyh_> hipy, a lan game on ubuntu, what did you have in mind
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| 13:08 | <ogra> Treyh_, thats not what i said :)
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| 13:09 | <hipy> unreal tournament 99 runs fine on it!:o
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| 13:09 | <ogra> <ogra> 128M per running session
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| 13:09 | note the last word ;)
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| 13:09 | i was referring to desktop sessions on the server
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| 13:09 | <Treyh_> ogra, ty for clarifying
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| 13:09 | <ogra> for just firring up rdesktop i guess you can get through with a 512M server :)
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| 13:10 | dings_, there is your man ...
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| 13:10 | <Treyh_> ogra, i just put a 1g in it
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| 13:10 | <ogra> vagrantc, ^^^^
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| 13:10 | Treyh_, woah what a waste :P
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| 13:10 | <dings_> ogra: yeah, i'd really like to see some log output that tells me what i need to change...
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| 13:10 | <vagrantc> hm/
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| 13:10 | ?
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| 13:11 | <ogra> vagrantc, dings_ needs help for a two server setup
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| 13:11 | <dings_> vagrantc: i want xsession-errors
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| 13:11 | <ogra> one for boot, one as appserver
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| 13:11 | <dings_> well, not really. but i'd take some for a start
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| 13:11 | * vagrantc has to tend to other things right now | |
| 13:11 | <ogra> on etch if i got that right
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| 13:11 | <dings_> no problem
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| 13:11 | <Treyh_> hipy, install it as a local app but your graphics will probably not be geat and it will probably lag
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| 13:11 | <dings_> ogra: tftp + nfs is on etch
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| 13:11 | works fine
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| 13:12 | <ogra> indeed
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| 13:12 | <dings_> to make things worse, it's all amd64
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| 13:12 | <ogra> anyway, i need to go out before the shops close ...
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| 13:12 | <dings_> the client-space was built on lenny and copied over though
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| 13:13 | should be almost too late, eh?
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| 13:13 | <Treyh_> what is the fix for the caps lock not working in rdesktop, on ubuntu?
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| 13:13 | I read somewhere to use the 8.04 deb package of rdesktop and that would fix it
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| 13:14 | <ogra> dings_, realkauf around the corner is open til 10 :) and pretty empty after 8 perfect time for shopping ;)
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| 13:14 | anyway, i'm out
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| 13:14 | <dings_> thanks for ur help :)
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| 13:25 | <Treyh_> the caps lock doesn't work when using rdesktop, ubuntu 9.04
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| 13:25 | any ideas?
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| 13:26 | <Beer30> Has anyone reported that the screen fonts in the Ubuntu Ltsp client are backwards? Mirrored actually. I just installed Ubuntu 9.04 today and created my chroot image and when I boot up my thin client and login the text is a mirrored image. I thought it was a different language at first... very odd.
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| 13:27 | <alkisg> Beer30: I've seen that with an intel card on a laptop
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| 13:27 | <Beer30> humm... my thin client is an intel card.
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| 13:27 | <alkisg> It wasn't mine, so I couldn't debug it... try to disable compiz and see if it makes any difference
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| 13:27 | <Beer30> ok
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| 13:27 | <alkisg> I've heard of another one report it here, but again no clear solution
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| 13:28 | There are also some XRANDR variables in lts.conf for rotation etc, you might want to try those as well
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| 13:28 | <Beer30> wow... everything is like upside down too... this is going to be a challenge to maneuver the menus ;)
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| 13:29 | <alkisg> Yeah, I've kept a screenshot just for the fun of it :)
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| 13:29 | <Beer30> lol
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| 13:29 | <dings_> can you telnet to ldminfod's port and it will actually say something?
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| 13:30 | <Beer30> this would be a fun (but cruel) joke to play on my co-workers ;)
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| 13:31 | can you turn off compiz with a keystroke?
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| 13:32 | <Lns> I remember the screen-flipping thing happening to someone a long time ago on a windows box that accidentally clicked on the Intel graphics systray icon and changed it...pretty funny actually
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| 13:33 | <dings_> Beer30: ctrl-alt-f1?
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| 13:34 | <Beer30> ahhh, got it :)
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| 13:34 | ya, definitely a compiz problem.
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| 13:34 | <Treyh_> Lns, on a windows box, you hold down the left ctrl and left alt, then push an error key
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| 13:35 | <Lns> is compiz enabled by default in jaunty ltsp??
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| 13:35 | <Beer30> I just type alt-f2 to bring up the run box and typed metacity --replace
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| 13:36 | <alkisg> Beer30: there's an option in the "appearance" to set effects = none
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| 13:36 | I think that should also work..
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| 13:38 | <Beer30> ya, but trying to work the menus was giving me a headache... it's hard to explain, but the half of the screen appears to be upside down including the buttons.
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| 13:38 | <hipy> Can i ask something?
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| 13:38 | <Beer30> sure
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| 13:39 | <hipy> Does the kubuntu alternate cd also have the ltsp option
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| 13:39 | just like the ubuntu alternate cd
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| 13:39 | * Beer30 doesn't know | |
| 13:40 | * Beer30 is a gentoo guy experimenting with ubuntu ;) | |
| 13:41 | <hipy> Wow
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| 13:41 | <Beer30> lol
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| 13:41 | <hipy> gentoo install
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| 13:41 | then your lik,e
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| 13:41 | a genius
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| 13:41 | :P
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| 13:41 | What u use
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| 13:41 | gnome?
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| 13:42 | <Beer30> I personally use KDE, but Gnome seems to be a bit more stable for LTSP, plus it has lockdown features KDE 4 lacks.
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| 13:42 | <hipy> lockdown
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| 13:42 | what u mean with that
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| 13:42 | :p
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| 13:42 | im not the most experienced unix user
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| 13:42 | i use it for servers mostl
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| 13:42 | y
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| 13:42 | have xp on my pc due to comaptible reasons
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| 13:42 | <johnny> hipy, there's the kiosk tool for kde right?
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| 13:42 | <hipy> abd ganes
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| 13:42 | <Beer30> like so my non computer users don't mess up the menus and install proggies they don't need ;)
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| 13:42 | <hipy> kiosk?
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| 13:43 | <Beer30> ya, like kiosk... or exactly like kiosk
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| 13:43 | <hipy> i have no experience with kde( well i had knoppix :P )
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| 13:43 | <johnny> talking to Beer30
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| 13:43 | <hipy> cool
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| 13:43 | johnny you said my nick
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| 13:43 | <Beer30> hey johnny
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| 13:43 | <johnny> oh oops.. you're right hipy sorry
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| 13:43 | typing too fast
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| 13:43 | <hipy> ^^
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| 13:45 | <Beer30> johnny, as far as I know, kde4 does have kiosk mode, but kiosktool has not been ported to kde4 yet, so everything is done via the command line and editing multiple files.... and, on top of that, I can't really find a definitive guide on how to do it on kde4.
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| 13:46 | <johnny> ah..
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| 13:46 | then go back to kde3?
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| 13:46 | <Beer30> ya, I thought about it... my old, still in production use, ltsp 4.2 on Gentoo still uses KDE3, and works very well.
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| 13:47 | <hipy> i like kde4 theme
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| 13:47 | but i use gnome:)
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| 13:47 | Its less complicated
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| 13:50 | * Lns likes gnome better too..it doesn't try to be like explorer.exe ;) jmho | |
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| 13:55 | <hipy> lol
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| 14:00 | <Beer30> well, right now, most of my end users use twm (ya, for real)... so anything will be an improvement ;).
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| 14:05 | <Lns> it all depends on the env
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| 14:05 | I'd love to use fluxbox w/ltsp, but i don't think teachers would like it ;)
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| 14:09 | <johnny> hmm.. why not lxde Lns ?
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| 14:10 | <Lns> never heard of it
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| 14:10 | <johnny> that seems less resource intensive than xfce, but more user friendly than flux
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| 14:10 | <Lns> i've used fluxbox for ages
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| 14:10 | user friendly? we don't need no stinkin user friendly! =p
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| 14:10 | <johnny> iirc there is a custom ubuntu with lxde, and they are trying to make it an official one
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| 14:10 | <Lns> X was made to support opening multiple xterms ;)
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| 14:11 | <johnny> if you just want that, you can use screen
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| 14:12 | <Lns> screen = awesome
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| 14:12 | <johnny> ogra, 2ghz arm!
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| 14:12 | wtf
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| 14:33 | <dings_> ogra: problem is solved. my test-user had the "wrong" shell. don't ask me why.
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| 14:33 | solution: bash(es) for everybody ;-)
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| 14:35 | probably some bizarre local config quirk. yeah! (just for the record)
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| 14:35 | have fun everybody
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| 14:36 | <Treyh_> do you guys have any problems with keyboard keys, like caps lock when using ltsp?
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| 14:58 | <treyh> if my pxe server gets powered off, all my pxe clients should freeze, log out, or reboot correct?
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| 14:58 | <Lns> treyh: pxe server?
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| 14:59 | <treyh> Lns, I apologize, LTSP server
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| 14:59 | Lns, the tech at this location calls it his PXE server lol
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| 14:59 | <Lns> treyh: in my experience, yeah, if ppl are logged in they'll freeze (localapps might be different?)...at LDM a lot of times you have to reboot them
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| 15:00 | <warren> I'm looking at all changes in ldm since ldm-2.0.33
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| 15:00 | /etc/ldm/ldminfod-locale-whitelist what is the format of this file?
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| 15:00 | <Lns> i'm also using ubu 8.04 which has older ltsp, so it might be different later on
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| 15:00 | <warren> what are the contents of a modern ldm and ldminfod package?
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| 15:00 | <treyh> Lns, thats what I was tinking, but it's off right now and one of my clients which is running rdesktop is still working like a pro
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| 15:01 | <Lns> oh, well that might be different, yeah
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| 15:01 | if windows is on a diff server
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| 15:01 | rdesktop is still in client mem
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| 15:01 | that's all it really needs
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| 15:01 | <treyh> Lns, well I think thats incredibly awesome
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| 15:02 | <Lns> isn't it though?
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| 15:09 | <alkisg> treyh: well, if a cron job or something starts, it'll hang..
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| 15:28 | <treyh> looks like my clients just using rdesktop are using roughly around 28m's
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| 16:08 | <treyh> have you guys ever experienced audio that goes in and out
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| 16:09 | like someone is flipping a switch, off/on/off/on/off/on really broken up
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| 16:37 | <Treyh_> anyone around this time of the day/night ?
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| 16:43 | <Treyh_> anyone around this hour?
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| 16:57 | <Treyh_> anyone around?
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| 17:00 | <johnny> just ask your question next time
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| 17:00 | !ask
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| 17:00 | <ltspbot`> johnny: "ask" is Don't ask to ask a question, simply ask it, and if someone knows the answer, they'll respond. Please hang around for at least 15 minutes after asking a question, as not everybody constantly monitors the channel.
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| 17:00 | <johnny> we should add.. don't ask if people are around
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| 17:02 | <Treyh_> lol agreed
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| 17:03 | my ltsp clients audio is weirding out
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| 17:03 | the audio is very choppy
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| 17:03 | <johnny> probably pulse..
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| 17:03 | check your network and cpu usage
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| 17:04 | <Treyh_> i've set sound = false in lts.conf
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| 17:05 | ltsp server, still has over 300m free of memory and there are only two ltsp clients turned on right now, cpu is at 90-99% idle
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| 17:05 | network monitor doesn't even show the switch trunnk ports (uplinks) at even hitting 1m of traffic
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| 17:05 | in lts.conf
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| 17:05 | does it have to be
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| 17:06 | SOUND = FALSE
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| 17:06 | or can it be sound = false
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| 17:06 | capitals letters shouldn't matter
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| 17:08 | <johnny> SOUND = FALSE
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| 17:08 | err SOUND=false
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| 17:08 | the vars have to be capitialized
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| 17:08 | they are environment vars
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| 17:08 | <Treyh_> does it matter if false is capital?
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| 17:08 | <johnny> no
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| 17:09 | i don't think so..
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| 17:09 | i just use N
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| 17:09 | <Treyh_> just use n?
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| 17:09 | <johnny> or n probably works
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| 17:10 | i also don't have spaces.. but i can't recall if it matters anymore
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| 17:10 | SOUND=N
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| 17:10 | <Treyh_> i'll try that way
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| 17:10 | <johnny> why are you trying to turn sound off?
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| 17:11 | <Treyh_> Gadi suggested it, when i had audio issues last time
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| 17:11 | all audio was playing way too fast
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| 17:11 | like it was in fast forward
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| 17:11 | <johnny> lol
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| 17:12 | <Treyh_> so Gadi told me to set SOUND = false
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| 17:12 | <johnny> i had that problem in fedora 11 with intel cards.. not thin client related tho
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| 17:12 | well.. that will make sound not work at all
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| 17:12 | <Treyh_> but it does
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| 17:12 | it's just choppy
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| 17:12 | but it's choppy with or without that option
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| 17:12 | <johnny> hmm .. that makes no sense.. in my understand of the var.. which could be wrong..
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| 17:12 | well.. check cpu on the client
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| 17:12 | and also whether you have intel sound
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| 17:13 | <johnny> there were nasty issues related to that recently
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| 19:34 | <sbalneav> Evening all
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| 20:50 | <IBC_jkenney> Good Evening
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| 20:51 | Could someone help me with a problem i have with ubuntu 9.04 jaunty LTSP deployment
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| 20:51 | The problem i have is when using firefox the dropdown boxes on the website delay for 1 - 2 seconds
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| 21:00 | <petre> evening all
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| 21:02 | Is there a document on how to enable sshd on the client?
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| 21:02 | <johnny> not really
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| 21:03 | chroot /opt/ltsp/i386
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| 21:03 | apt-get install openssh-server
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| 21:03 | exit
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| 21:03 | and the ltsp-update-image
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| 21:03 | then sshd will be enabled for all clients
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| 21:03 | the key will change tho..
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| 21:03 | so you'll have to accept the warning everytime
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| 21:04 | or you could add the key manually
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| 21:04 | <IBC_jkenney> is there a fix for the delays in firefox
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| 21:04 | and some of the other applications
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| 21:04 | <johnny> IBC_jkenney, try setting LDM_DIRECTX=Y in your lts.conf
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| 21:04 | and reboot the client
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| 21:04 | <IBC_jkenney> will this fix all the screen draw problems
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| 21:04 | <johnny> i have no idea
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| 21:05 | that could be a problem with the driver
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| 21:05 | any of it could be..
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| 21:05 | or your network
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| 21:05 | or high cpu usage
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| 21:07 | petre, got it?
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| 21:08 | <petre> johnny, yes, I think so
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| 21:09 | johnny why does the key change?
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| 21:10 | <johnny> because the key isn't there until it starts
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| 21:10 | and it doesn't start until it runs on the thin client
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| 21:11 | which doesn't have a writable place to save the key
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| 21:11 | <petre> can I have a public key in root's $HOME within the chroot to eliminate the need for a password?
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| 21:11 | <johnny> i guess
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| 21:11 | sure
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| 21:12 | <johnny> the key will still change tho
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| 21:12 | petre, btw. i'm talking about the host key here
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| 21:12 | those are what are going to be changing, unless you generate your own and put them in the chroot /etc/ssh
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| 21:12 | <petre> johnny, right, so each time I connect to the client's sshd, my ssh client will say the key is unrecognized.
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| 21:13 | yes, I will generate the keys and put them in the chroot.
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| 21:14 | <johnny> yeah it's good for you to generate them yourself
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| 21:14 | as it will make the thin clients startup slower every time due to key generation
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| 21:42 | <IBC_jkenney> didn't work
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| 21:42 | <johnny> IBC_jkenney, then it could be your driver
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| 21:43 | or your network, etc
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| 21:43 | <IBC_jkenney> its not the network
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| 21:43 | it could be the video driver
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| 21:50 | <treyh> all of my ltsp clients, no ldm only rdesktop, are having audio issues. sound clicks off and on, like it's being delayed
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| 21:50 | sound is very choppy
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| 21:51 | <johnny> network issues treyh ?
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| 21:51 | <treyh> johnny, btw, setting SOUND = N in my lts.conf, killed everything from working
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| 21:51 | <johnny> you never said what cards you had either
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| 21:51 | killed everything?
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| 21:51 | or killed sound?
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| 21:51 | <treyh> johnny, everything
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| 21:52 | johnny, the sound card in the clients are a wide range, many different types of machines, all in 1's, desktops, laptops (dell, gateway, lenovo, generic intel desktops)
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| 21:52 | <johnny> that doesn't mean anything
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| 21:52 | what chipsets
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| 21:52 | that is what matters
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| 21:53 | intel drivers had a serious issue in the some of the recent kernels
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| 21:53 | <treyh> i know that one of my test stations, is intel
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| 21:53 | which that makes sense, with the new kernel coming out what about 2 weeks ago?
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| 21:54 | johnny: the weird thing is that it is effecting 100% of my clients
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| 21:54 | <johnny> well i have no idea
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| 21:54 | network?
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| 21:54 | is it the network?
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| 21:55 | high cpu on the server?
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| 21:55 | <treyh> not the network or high cpu utilization either
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| 21:56 | I spent the last couple days resolving a STP loop on our cisco switches, other than that no network issues
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| 21:56 | the problem started before the STP loop and continues after it was fixed
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| 21:56 | <johnny> well guess you're gonna have to do deeper troubleshooting
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| 21:57 | <treyh> yes I know, not really sure where to look from here though
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| 21:58 | guess I'll look into rdesktop sound issues
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| 22:06 | <twb> I need GUI users to be notified of wall(1) warnings from shutdown(8). I found http://bugs.debian.org/433960 which indicates that LTSP is/was interested in the problem. Has there been any progress on it since that ticket's latest comment?
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| 22:07 | <johnny> twb, try back some other time when the other developers are here
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| 22:07 | or post to the list
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| 22:07 | now is not a good time for this channel
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| 22:07 | <twb> No worries, I'll just lurk for a while.
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| 23:14 | <IBC_jkenney> hello
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| 23:14 | i am still working on my ltsp issue
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| 23:15 | the problem is not the video card drive.
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| 23:50 | <alkisg> IBC_jkenney: what's the problem? Any error messages?
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